AP: Public option is dead

posted at 2:55 pm on November 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Nancy Pelosi may have been all smiles on Saturday, but the difficulties encountered in her full-court press on the ObamaCare bill will only get worse, the AP reports this morning.  The AP declares the public option dead, thanks to skeptical Democrats, and Joe Lieberman pledges to stop the bill from coming to the floor with one included.  The LA Times concurs:

House approval of legislation Saturday — even if Democrats can move it no further — was an accomplishment that has eluded presidents for decades. But the close vote and the exertions it took to secure a majority were laden with warning signs as the issue moves to the Senate.

Even though the House is a bastion of liberalism, the healthcare overhaul was a tougher sell than expected and the bill turned out to be more conservative in its price tag, more limited in the scope of its government-run insurance option and tighter in its restrictions on abortion funding than many Democrats had hoped.

Moreover, the narrow victory — 220 to 215 in a chamber where Democrats hold 258 seats — was unsettling for liberals because moderate Democrats have a louder voice in the Senate and Republicans have more stalling power.

What is more, the political climate has become more challenging for progressivism than it was when Obama’s agenda for change was launched in his 2008 presidential campaign and ratified with his resounding election one year ago.

What changed?  The rise of unemployment to 10.2% has certainly dashed a lot of cold water on big-spending plans like ObamaCare and cap-and-trade.  The idea that the elections presented a mandate for progressivism is questionable, anyway; Barack Obama hardly campaigned in the general election as a progressive, presenting himself instead as a post-partisan, pragmatic moderate.  Only after he took office did he allow Nancy Pelosi to run away with his domestic agenda to the radical extent she did.

Even Democrats are balking, as Lieberman’s ultimatum demonstrates:

But Sen. Joe Lieberman wasted no time in saying he can’t support the public insurance plan in the House bill.

If a government plan is part of the deal, “as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote,” said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

“The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said.

Democrats did not line up to challenge him. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.

The Democrats can’t afford to pull a conference committee switcheroo here, either.  If the Senate passes a bill without a public option and a conference committee puts it back in (while stripping the Stupak amendment), it will get filibustered with the assistance of Lieberman and perhaps a handful of red-state Democrats.  That will be especially true if the conference report comes back in 2010, an election year in which Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) and others will have to explain themselves to center-right voters.

But what happens if a conference report comes back without a public option, and with the Stupak amendment intact?  Pelosi won’t have enough votes to support it in the House, either.  What can’t pass the House is the only option to pass the Senate, and vice versa.  The LA Times understands the conundrum facing Democratic leadership on Capitol Hill, even if Reid and Pelosi don’t — or don’t want to admit it.

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Wasn’t it just as dead a couple of weeks ago, before it lurched out of the grave and passed the House?

cthulhu on November 9, 2009 at 2:58 PM

unemployment 10.2%

Congress thinks it’s a good idea to cut Medicare 500B to spend another 1T guaranteed from the government.

Let them eat cake says Pelosi.

ThackerAgency on November 9, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Is the nuclear option still available? I don’t doubt they will hesitate to use it. The Public option is their holy grail.

Mord on November 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM

The checks in the mail too.

javamartini on November 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Nuke-clu-er?

WashJeff on November 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM

cthulhu on November 9, 2009 at 2:58 PM

don’t you know…

Night of the living hellish obama-pelosi-kill all americans with taxes-healthcare bill!

upinak on November 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM

I refuse to believe anything is dead until it is underground with Teddy. All this hearsay is just a distraction.

stackedeck on November 9, 2009 at 3:00 PM

I Don’t trust Graham as as a conservative as far as I can throw him.. Good to see Lieberman on board for a stop of this nonsense. His voice should put the other Dems on notice.

Jason Gillman on November 9, 2009 at 3:00 PM

This bill was an experiment to see how liberal they could make a bill and still get it passed. They didn’t want a good bill, they wanted a bill that was a liberal litmus test

ThackerAgency on November 9, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Wasn’t it just as dead a couple of weeks ago, before it lurched out of the grave and passed the House?

cthulhu on November 9, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees this. I’m really afraid they’re being way too optimistic. It’s not dead yet. And it keeps feeling better.

Daggett on November 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Once again you miss Reid’s ultimate play.

He will try to pass this under the Bedget bill rules… which need only 51 votes and cannot be fillibustered.

He is not going to be back after 2010 anyway… so he cares not if the Senate locks up in Gridlock… and Obama does not care as he is putting in place the ability to bypass the legislature anyway (with his Czars).

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Lieberman told MSNBC that he’s in full support of blocking it in the Senate.

I sense he may be about ready to jump parties.

Enoxo on November 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM

They only need 51 votes. Not sure if they want this sort of plan passed via nuclear option, but it’s available.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Even without the public option, the bill is a horrible piece of legislation that nevertheless creates a national insurance exchange, while dictating to private insurance companies what rates they may charge.

Hopefully, if Congress passes anything, it will be a rump package for face-saving reasons only, and not include this heavy social-engineering.

Revenant on November 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Grrr.. “Budget bill rules”…

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM

I may be off base here, but for awhile now we seem to keep reassuring ourselves of things like this – it can’t pass, it won’t pass with that or this in it, it won’t get out of committee, oh, but if it does get out of committee it won’t get these votes of this bloc over there, oh but if it does get that vote bloc, then…

I think we continue to fool ourselves. This is going to pass. The Dems will find some way to lie to enough people to ensure they get the votes to pass it, then rewrite it to be the leftist abomination everyone feared it would be (“shocked, shocked I say…”), Obama will sign it, and here we’ll be, looking stunned and wondering out loud “wtf just happened?”

Midas on November 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Ed, slightly OT, but can you smack Allah in the head for us? The passion he showed on twitter on Saturday after the vote was more than we ever see on this blog.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM

If they have the constitutional authority to jail people for not buying insurance, then they can jail people for not taking a government provided job. 0% unemployment. Problem solved.

pedestrian on November 9, 2009 at 3:03 PM

They only need 50 votes.

Biden.

artist on November 9, 2009 at 3:03 PM

The public option’s been dead since at least August.

And watching these Socialists trudge around with it’s dead body like it’s “Weekend At Bernie’s” has been hilarious.

I’m actually not ready for this movie to end.

HondaV65 on November 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM

KILL THE BILL

rjoco1 on November 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM

nothing is dead until the fat lady sings…these are sneaky folks, they will find a way if they can…

cmsinaz on November 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM

cthulhu on November 9, 2009 at 2:58 PM

The house vote was just done to get it off their backs, to kick the can to the senate.

Pelosi’s monstrosity was far more onerous than anything the senate is considering.

What’s simply amusing about it was the liberals here on saturday evening calling the thing a success and a great day for america. Only in the twisted mind of a liberal is putting people in jail for, um, not doing something a good thing.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM

They only need 51 votes. Not sure if they want this sort of plan passed via nuclear option, but it’s available.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM

I have a feeling they will have 51 votes.

deidre on November 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM

It’s all bull – the Senate is filled with masters of the head-fake.

No Public Optin

But:
- there is a trigger which will be met as easy as pie
- there is abortion funding
- there is a tax for everything you can imagine
- there is this – there is that

All lost on the public – because we threw out a red herring

NO PUBLIC OPTION

It’s all bull.

jake-the-goose on November 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM

If you want to beat them then vote the bums out. That is exactly what it will take with this corrupt bunch in power.
Sniffing an other dogs ass makes you one of them. Who knows what Nanzi or Bullwinkle will try and pull out of their hat next!!!

bluegrass on November 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Even 51 votes doesn’t solve their Stupak problem.

pedestrian on November 9, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Midas on November 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM

They have to pass something…it is just that they also have to appease the people they promised…abortions, public options, no tort reform, etc.
What that something is real be a mess…more of a mess…

right2bright on November 9, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Reports of the public option’s death have been greatly exaggerated. (with apologies to Twain)

Monica on November 9, 2009 at 3:07 PM

If they have the constitutional authority to jail people for not buying insurance, then they can jail people for not taking a government provided job. 0% unemployment. Problem solved.

pedestrian on November 9, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Behold the 2012 Democrat party platform.

Stimulus III: Everyone gets a Government Job!

Revenant on November 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Ahhh, but the “competitive option” lives.

faraway on November 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM

My understanding is that you have to get 60 votes to bring the bill to the floor before reconciliation can be used to senate passage. Lieberman and Bayh both have said they’ll vote to stop it from getting to the floor.

dforston on November 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Even a bluedog has a sniffing addiction.

As Bob Barker would say have your pet neatured or spayed.
And as Obama would say See the USA in a Chevrolet.

mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm

bluegrass on November 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Even though the House is a bastion of liberalism

Forking bastinos…..

UltimateBob on November 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM

But 70% support the public option-Grows Chins

artist on November 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Yes, the Public Option is indeed dead today, November 9, 2009, but only because the Senate isn’t voting on Heath Care today.

STOP PLAYING US FOR FOOLS.

jay12 on November 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM

The two sources of this opinion makes me very suspicious…don’t listen to anything coming from the SRM.

d1carter on November 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I’m not going to rest easy until the Hump-bot makes an appearance

pseudonominus on November 9, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Lieberman and Bayh both have said they’ll vote to stop it from getting to the floor.

dforston on November 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM

They will be lied to, the bill will be changed to get them to agree to get it to the floor, it will be passed, and then changed back into the form that Lieberman/Bayh would’ve never allowed out of committee.

Bank on it.

You (and I) just described what happened 2 days ago in the House – don’t fool yourself and think the Senate won’t do it as well.

Midas on November 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Thank Christ!

Erich66 on November 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM

If a government plan is part of the deal, “as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote,” said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

In response, Nancy Pelosi has sponsored legislation that she will bring to the floor of the House that discontinues the US Senate. When questioned about the Constitutional legality of the bill, she responded “Are you serious? Are you serious?”

The White House signaled overwhelming support for the Speakers’ process.

BobMbx on November 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Lets just hope we don’t see another gang of 14 pop up. Still alot of RINO’s around and they are just as untrustworthy. No more picking the lessor of two evils. Evil is evil and it is all around us.

bluegrass on November 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Forking bastinos…..

UltimateBob on November 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Farging iceholes.

Midas on November 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM

HopeNchange

mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm

bluegrass on November 9, 2009 at 3:13 PM

The real question is, if the public option is dead then why the midnight weekend house vote for a public option?

If we figured it out, they’ve known for some time the public option is dead. Heck, it should have been obvious when Reid included the plan into the senate bill they had no intention of passing health care reform.

I figure, they must have come to the realization that healthcare was a nonstarter after the left’s revolt over the Baucus plan. It became clear that there was no legislative solution to their political problem.

What to do with such a dilemma? Maintain the appearance of fighting for healthcare with midnight votes for bills that have zero chance of becoming law.

jhffmn on November 9, 2009 at 3:13 PM

The Public Option is alive until the bill is dead…

KILL THE BILL!

Khun Joe on November 9, 2009 at 3:14 PM

They only need 51 votes. Not sure if they want this sort of plan passed via nuclear option, but it’s available.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM

While understand post cloture it only takes 51 votes to pass a bill in the senate, do you think they are going to do the nuke option or Dems will vote for cloture than vote no on the bill?

I expect the nuke option to be seriously discussed and potentially followed through.

WashJeff on November 9, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Even 51 votes doesn’t solve their Stupak problem.

pedestrian on November 9, 2009 at 3:06 PM

They will do the conference report behind closed doors… give it to the House and Senate and then immediatly vote on it before the public can even get mad about it…

Blue Dog Dems will be able to point at their EARLIER vote and say “See? we tried!” but had to vote for the final bill “for the greater good”.

Its all Kabuki Theatre.

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Lieberman’s remarks about the bill were spot on, in my opinion. Ditto for Lindsey’s.

It was a showboat moment only for Pelosi. That personally aggravates me, but it’s better than being truly a moment.

What bothers me is the Baucus bill. That’s about as messed up as the House bill is.

AnninCA on November 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM

While understand post cloture it only takes 51 votes to pass a bill in the senate, do you think they are going to do the nuke option or Dems will vote for cloture than vote no on the bill?

I expect the nuke option to be seriously discussed and potentially followed through.

WashJeff on November 9, 2009 at 3:14 PM

As I said above… Obama HAS to have this win… and Reid will be out of the Senate in 2010 anyway (so won’t care about the fallout from the Nuke option).

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 3:16 PM

I wonder if BHO will invoke the dead Ft. Hood soldiers to the Senate Dems like he did the House?

d1carter on November 9, 2009 at 3:16 PM

The Founding Fathers were geniuses. That one thing is our only hope to (barely) save this Republic.

LibTired on November 9, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Pelosi care is exactly like the lottery: A tax on people who can’t do math.

Navig8r on November 9, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Related Headline: Freddy Also Dead. Go Back to Sleep.

LibTired on November 9, 2009 at 3:18 PM

The public option is dead but the consumer option lives on…and on,…and on…..

PatriotRider on November 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM

If they have the constitutional authority to jail people for not buying insurance, then they can jail people for not taking a government provided job. 0% unemployment. Problem solved.

pedestrian on November 9, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Yup, that’s the exact approach they’re taking to ensure that everyone in America WILL have healthcare insurance, so I suppose a similar approach will be used in the future to solve other “problems.” I could just see them threatening to send people to federal prison for not exercising enough, or for eating too many carbohydrates, or for not drinking enough water.

Aitch748 on November 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM

I wanted to reach through the TV and choke that hag Saturday night. I can’t stand Pelosi. I will dance a thousand dances the day she dies. I swear I will go to wherever she is buried and relieve myself on her grave.

SouthernGent on November 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM

As I said above… Obama HAS to have this win… and Reid will be out of the Senate in 2010 anyway (so won’t care about the fallout from the Nuke option).

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 3:16 PM

That’s like my concern. Dems can be pretty much assured that even if voted out of office in 2010 and 2012, this entitlement will be there waiting for them when power swings back their way.

If this passes, The GOP has to run on an explicit platform to overturn this bill.

WashJeff on November 9, 2009 at 3:20 PM

The GOP can bring the senate to a standstill by refusing to grant unanimous consent to bring business forward. They can demand, again by refusing unanimous consent, that each and every bill – including the ‘health care’ monstrosity – be read aloud. The dems can bypass a filibuster with the 51-vote nuclear option, but the republicans can mount a virtual filibuster by taking advantage of the unanimous consent rule, and all it takes is one senator to do it.

wright on November 9, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I swear I will go to wherever she [Pelosi] is buried and relieve myself on her grave.

SouthernGent on November 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Get in line behind me! :-)

Mary in LA on November 9, 2009 at 3:21 PM

The whole thing has to die.

Connie on November 9, 2009 at 3:21 PM

WashJeff on November 9, 2009 at 3:14 PM

If it gets past cloture, it’ll pass. I think it’s that simple really.

I’m not even sure why the senate is “difficult” either. They have the votes, they can invoke the nuclear option any time they want to.

I must be missing something. I think the only thing that prevents them from doing so is not wanting this anvil wrapped around democrat necks alone. And, really, that says it all about the bill, doesn’t it?

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:22 PM

I swear I will go to wherever she is buried and relieve myself on her grave.

SouthernGent on November 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM

How would anyone know?

LibTired on November 9, 2009 at 3:22 PM

I swear I will go to wherever she is buried and relieve myself on her grave.

SouthernGent on November 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM

I’d hit that!

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Get in line behind me! :-)

Mary in LA on November 9, 2009 at 3:21 PM

LOL. Allah has been looking for a location to host the hotair party. Me thinks that destination is found.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:23 PM

I’d hit that!

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:22 PM

The grave? Or the corpse? :-)

Mary in LA on November 9, 2009 at 3:23 PM

While understand post cloture it only takes 51 votes to pass a bill in the senate, do you think they are going to do the nuke option or Dems will vote for cloture than vote no on the bill?

I expect the nuke option to be seriously discussed and potentially followed through.

WashJeff on November 9, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Lieberman said a few days ago he wouldn’t vote for cloture either.

There will be much talk of “I voted for the bill before I voted against it” If they try it. There really isn’t a way for them to do it without our knowledge.

But the public option used to be dead. Now it’s alive, well, and through the house.

petunia on November 9, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Mary in LA on November 9, 2009 at 3:23 PM

You have to ask? ;)

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM

I don’t trust this. Most Americans are not paying attention. Too busy focusing on personal finances, job worries… and now the holidays are here. I think a lot of people are sinking into a mode of denial…and the Marxists are just waiting to trounce! I speak of the outlandish costs every chance I get – waiters, salespeople, cashiers, phone solicitors, high school and college students, my UAW family members – everyone. Everything else aside…how are we going to PAY for this? Just keep asking…HOW? Keep people aware and talking about cost. Step 2 – encourage them to call their Senators. Step 3 – keep praying.

redwhiteblue on November 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Let’s not jump to any complacency.

I want this bill to go to the death panel, please.

Loxodonta on November 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Lieberman told MSNBC that he’s in full support of blocking it in the Senate.

I sense he may be about ready to jump parties.

Enoxo on November 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Joe needs to stay an (I). I have a ton of respect for the guy and am very happy he kicked Lamont’s @$$, but the last thing we need is an (R) with a 90% lefty voting record so the Dems can squawk “BIPARTISAN” everytime he votes with them. He’s also supporting Senator Countrywide’s re-ecelction, which just plain sucks.

Now, if he decides to caucus with the GOP as an independent…

fiatboomer on November 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM

nothing is dead until the fat lady sings…these are sneaky folks, they will find a way if they can…
cmsinaz on November 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Agreed. Stay in constant contact with your Senators. One of mine is McCain, so ’nuff said there. NO DEALS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT! YOU HEAR ME SENATOR!

Mr_Magoo on November 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM

This whole thing is dead! Dead I tell you! DEAD! DEAD!DEAD!DEAD!DEAD! (He says repeatedly while stabbing the air with a steak knife)

Vince on November 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM

You have to ask? ;)

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM

You’re right — what was I thinking? You’d hit the corpse, the grave, and the hole in the plaque where the flowers are supposed to go.

Mary in LA on November 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM

nothing is dead until the fat lady sings…these are sneaky folks, they will find a way if they can…
cmsinaz on November 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Is Scozzafava a singer?

SouthernGent on November 9, 2009 at 3:27 PM

It’s not dead until it’s been staked in the heart, had its head severed and its mouth stuffed with garlic.

And even then I wouldn’t turn my back on it.

Kensington on November 9, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Vince on November 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM

That’s funny cuz I told my wife that this bill makes me want to ‘practice my stabbing’. Dunno where I picked that up from though – futurama probably.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM

So now we should give up and go away because the public option is dead?

It will come back, folks. This entire bill must be defeated.

NO BILL!

PattyJ on November 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM

To change Senate Rules:

The three-fifths version of the cloture rule does not apply to motions to end filibusters relating to Senate Rule changes. In order to invoke cloture to end debate over changing the Senate Rules, the original version of the rule (two-thirds of those Senators “present and voting”) still applies.]

I don’t see the nuke option happening with this law in place.

WashJeff on November 9, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Forget, the “public option,” provisions for government-supported abortion, free lobotomies for Republicans and all the rest.

Whatever bill passes the Senate will be whatever the Traitorcrats want it to be.

Once they cast aside the Constitution — which they have done with this whole “process” — managing the elections in ’10, ’12 and beyond will be a piece of cake for them.

All the Repubs and political theorists are doing is patting a rabid dog on the head. That will not stop it from biting.

MrScribbler on November 9, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Senators are much more likely to be swayed by last Tuesday’s elections. Their campaigns are almost identical to Governor campaigns, so I know some on-the-fence Senators will not be so easily pursuaded to commit political suicide as their House counterparts. You can’t rely on a liberal voting history of a single district in Senator races.

This is why Reid is an election away from having no job. He knows it, and he could very well go postal to get this agenda pushed through. I tend to doubt it though because he really seems like he just doesn’t give a damn anymore and is dragging his feet on everything, like a coach who knows he’s fired at the end of the year and has mailed it in already.

uknowmorethanme on November 9, 2009 at 3:30 PM

This legislation is the Democrats jihad against the American People and the Constitution. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear them yell “allahu akbar” if it passes.

Cybergeezer on November 9, 2009 at 3:31 PM

WashJeff on November 9, 2009 at 3:30 PM

If memory serves, the budget deal earlier this year made the nuclear option available as of Oct 15th. He only needs 51 votes.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:32 PM

HEAD FAKE! FIGHT ON!

El_Terrible on November 9, 2009 at 3:33 PM

The abortionists in the House voted yes just to perform CPR on the bill. All these bogus votes mean nothing because there aren’t enough votes on an actual bill with a yes/no on both abortion and the public option. But they need a have a “yes” on something so they can blame it on the Republicans.

pedestrian on November 9, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Don’t buy it. It isn’t dead.

rrpjr on November 9, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Get in line behind me! :-)

Mary in LA on November 9, 2009 at 3:21 PM
LOL. Allah has been looking for a location to host the hotair party. Me thinks that destination is found.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Move over, Boston Tea Party. Make room for the Frisco Pee Party!

Steve Z on November 9, 2009 at 3:33 PM

OT: I officially hate Google. Today is the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and Google’s logo is commemorating the 40th anniversary of Sesame Street. Now I love Kermit, Oscar, the Count, Ermie, Bert, Big Bird and the rest (except Elmo) as much as any other Tweener (not quite a Boomer, not quite GenX), but — really! Talk about missing the important story. Which sort of brings us back on topic.

Mary in LA on November 9, 2009 at 3:34 PM

I’ll believe it when I see it go down in flames in the Senate.

Liberman helps but we need about 5 more Democrats to come out now against it.

gophergirl on November 9, 2009 at 3:34 PM

I swear I will go to wherever she is buried and relieve myself on her grave.

SouthernGent on November 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Why wait?

Monica on November 9, 2009 at 3:34 PM

I though you needed 60 votes in the senate to stop debate, then 50 to pass the legislation, then only 50 once it gets back from the conference committee. In other words you couldn’t double up on a fillibuster. Is this correct?

Ash on November 9, 2009 at 3:35 PM

If memory serves, the budget deal earlier this year made the nuclear option available as of Oct 15th. He only needs 51 votes.

lorien1973 on November 9, 2009 at 3:32 PM

That rings a bell. I thougnt the Dems considered (are considering) classifying this bill and a budget item and budget items do not rquire cloture votes. So, this is not a bill, its a budgetary item.

WashJeff on November 9, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Wasn’t it just as dead a couple of weeks ago, before it lurched out of the grave and passed the House?

cthulhu on November 9, 2009 at 2:58 PM
//

It was never dead in the House.

uknowmorethanme on November 9, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Serves Pelosi and her ilk right.

Terrye on November 9, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Dead, eh? So’s the Stupak Amendment as I’ve heard…

Orange Doorhinge on November 9, 2009 at 3:37 PM

OT: I officially hate Google. Today is the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and Google’s logo is commemorating the 40th anniversary of Sesame Street. Now I love Kermit, Oscar, the Count, Ermie, Bert, Big Bird and the rest (except Elmo) as much as any other Tweener (not quite a Boomer, not quite GenX), but — really! Talk about missing the important story. Which sort of brings us back on topic.

Mary in LA on November 9, 2009 at 3:34 PM

ASK has an awesome picture.

redwhiteblue on November 9, 2009 at 3:37 PM

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