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		<title>By: Cost Of Obama-Care &#38; Past Government Expansions &#171; FRISK A LIBERAL: The Blog</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/maybe-this-time/comment-page-2/#comment-2929064</link>
		<dc:creator>Cost Of Obama-Care &#38; Past Government Expansions &#171; FRISK A LIBERAL: The Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] those liberals who quickly respond with &#8220;Yes!&#8221; to that question, then here&#8217;s your reality slap in the face: No other Big Government program has ever stayed within an order of magnitude of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: what if?</title>
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		<dc:creator>what if?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Definition of Insanity...&lt;/strong&gt;

We all know what it is. Continuing to perpetrate the same activity, yet hoping - again and again - that this time, the outcome will be different. Does anyone really believe what Congress is telling us about the costs of......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Definition of Insanity&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>We all know what it is. Continuing to perpetrate the same activity, yet hoping &#8211; again and again &#8211; that this time, the outcome will be different. Does anyone really believe what Congress is telling us about the costs of&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hawksruleva</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/maybe-this-time/comment-page-2/#comment-2927980</link>
		<dc:creator>hawksruleva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Any hope the SCOTUS declares this oppressive POS unconstitutional?

mankai on November 8, 2009 at 5:27 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not for a long time. They&#039;d have to reverse lots of post-Depression rulings in order to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Any hope the SCOTUS declares this oppressive POS unconstitutional?</p>
<p>mankai on November 8, 2009 at 5:27 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Not for a long time. They&#8217;d have to reverse lots of post-Depression rulings in order to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Z</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/maybe-this-time/comment-page-2/#comment-2927823</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon is adds up to real money. Printing more greenbacks won’t solve the problem; ink is not free. To heck with the gold standard, we should base our currency on the ink supply.

Keep hammering Dr. Z. We need to stop the Donks in their tracks.

Geochelone on November 8, 2009 at 6:16 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The New Weimar Republic, 100 years after the first one. And we know what THAT led to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon is adds up to real money. Printing more greenbacks won’t solve the problem; ink is not free. To heck with the gold standard, we should base our currency on the ink supply.</p>
<p>Keep hammering Dr. Z. We need to stop the Donks in their tracks.</p>
<p>Geochelone on November 8, 2009 at 6:16 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>The New Weimar Republic, 100 years after the first one. And we know what THAT led to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Senate throws Obama&#8217;s Baton in the dumpster; takes fiscally responsible stance and rejects abject Obama Socialism &#171; VotingFemale Speaks!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senate throws Obama&#8217;s Baton in the dumpster; takes fiscally responsible stance and rejects abject Obama Socialism &#171; VotingFemale Speaks!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cybergeezer</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/maybe-this-time/comment-page-2/#comment-2927578</link>
		<dc:creator>Cybergeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bush set the stage for Obama by screwing up the last eight years of his administration.

SagebrushPuppet on November 8, 2009 at 5:22 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;strike&gt;Bush&lt;/strike&gt; Obama set the stage for &lt;strike&gt;Obama&lt;/strike&gt; Ahmadinejad by screwing up the last &lt;strike&gt;eight&lt;/strike&gt; 200 years of &lt;strike&gt;his administration&lt;/strike&gt; American Democracy.
FIFY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bush set the stage for Obama by screwing up the last eight years of his administration.</p>
<p>SagebrushPuppet on November 8, 2009 at 5:22 PM</p></blockquote>
<p><strike>Bush</strike> Obama set the stage for <strike>Obama</strike> Ahmadinejad by screwing up the last <strike>eight</strike> 200 years of <strike>his administration</strike> American Democracy.<br />
FIFY</p>
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		<title>By: clorensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>clorensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Zero: another great post.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mormon Doc on November 8, 2009 at 9:26 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well said.  I think as a writer (and like other artists and professionals) becomes more popoular (and older) a couple things have a tendency to happen: (1) his or her body of work expands (and the chances for publication of an errant or weak piece increases) and (2) he or she often succumb to the temptation to appear in unfamiliar venues and with less depth of knolwedge concerning underlying facts, so the writer defers more to experts who set conventional wisdom with an unstated agenda unlike the writer&#039;s own agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Zero: another great post.</p>
<blockquote><p>Mormon Doc on November 8, 2009 at 9:26 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Well said.  I think as a writer (and like other artists and professionals) becomes more popoular (and older) a couple things have a tendency to happen: (1) his or her body of work expands (and the chances for publication of an errant or weak piece increases) and (2) he or she often succumb to the temptation to appear in unfamiliar venues and with less depth of knolwedge concerning underlying facts, so the writer defers more to experts who set conventional wisdom with an unstated agenda unlike the writer&#8217;s own agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Adjoran</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jelly ~ future Congresses can repeal anything they wish so long as House and Senate do so in the same language and the President signs it (or his veto is overridden).  The likelihood of them doing so is rather remote lacking a public far more outraged than we have thus seen.
`
We currently have hundreds of bureaus and commissions which no longer have anything whatever to do, their entire purposes for existence having either become obsolete or been transferred to another agency.  Yet, they are funded, provided office space and full staffs and salaries right along, because any attempt to eliminate them generates phone calls clamoring for their continuance (guess who makes those) while there are no calls against them (since most people have no idea they exist in the first place).
`
If we cannot cut the expenses which accomplish absolutely nothing at all, what makes you think we could repeal a new &quot;entitlement&quot; once enacted?  Those who benefit from it - however few - will be quite vocal, and the squealing pigs get greased, or something like that.  The same &quot;Granny killer&quot; nonsense mentioned above from the &#039;90s.  Silly, but it works.  Stupid ideas get ever more popular with a government-controlled &quot;education&quot; system churning out stupidity at full capacity.
`
We need to beat this thing in the Senate, now, before it joins the Holy Herd of Liberal Sacred Cows in the federal budget.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jelly ~ future Congresses can repeal anything they wish so long as House and Senate do so in the same language and the President signs it (or his veto is overridden).  The likelihood of them doing so is rather remote lacking a public far more outraged than we have thus seen.<br />
`<br />
We currently have hundreds of bureaus and commissions which no longer have anything whatever to do, their entire purposes for existence having either become obsolete or been transferred to another agency.  Yet, they are funded, provided office space and full staffs and salaries right along, because any attempt to eliminate them generates phone calls clamoring for their continuance (guess who makes those) while there are no calls against them (since most people have no idea they exist in the first place).<br />
`<br />
If we cannot cut the expenses which accomplish absolutely nothing at all, what makes you think we could repeal a new &#8220;entitlement&#8221; once enacted?  Those who benefit from it &#8211; however few &#8211; will be quite vocal, and the squealing pigs get greased, or something like that.  The same &#8220;Granny killer&#8221; nonsense mentioned above from the &#8217;90s.  Silly, but it works.  Stupid ideas get ever more popular with a government-controlled &#8220;education&#8221; system churning out stupidity at full capacity.<br />
`<br />
We need to beat this thing in the Senate, now, before it joins the Holy Herd of Liberal Sacred Cows in the federal budget.<br />
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		<title>By: &#187; Real cost projections for obama care show almost 3 Trillion dollars</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Real cost projections for obama care show almost 3 Trillion dollars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: leftnomore</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftnomore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your writing is intellectual erotica. Wow.</description>
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		<title>By: veteranoutrage</title>
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		<dc:creator>veteranoutrage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.veteranoutrage.com

thank you for the concise figures
Right now i am arguing with an idiot who claims that
all of the costs will be paid for in savings from the insurance companies..

I tried to point out that since obamamination care
run by the pelosi nazi party demands that 96% of all americans will be FORCED into the BORG health plan..

Since that effectivly puts 96% of all health care insurance providers out of business..

where will the supposed savings come from?

I sitll cant get through to this idiot.

http://veteranoutrage.com/?p=1362#comments

This is the actual thread..


sheesh are all liberals ust drugged out pot smoking gays?</description>
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<p>thank you for the concise figures<br />
Right now i am arguing with an idiot who claims that<br />
all of the costs will be paid for in savings from the insurance companies..</p>
<p>I tried to point out that since obamamination care<br />
run by the pelosi nazi party demands that 96% of all americans will be FORCED into the BORG health plan..</p>
<p>Since that effectivly puts 96% of all health care insurance providers out of business..</p>
<p>where will the supposed savings come from?</p>
<p>I sitll cant get through to this idiot.</p>
<p><a href="http://veteranoutrage.com/?p=1362#comments" rel="nofollow">http://veteranoutrage.com/?p=1362#comments</a></p>
<p>This is the actual thread..</p>
<p>sheesh are all liberals ust drugged out pot smoking gays?</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;maybe this time&quot; will never happen.

I have lost my trust in the people who have been elected &quot;by the people&quot; to run this country of and by the Constitution. ALL of them. 

I will fight them with my voice and vote, but I feel as if I am in the minority.

I hope the country has awoken from their fantasy slumber.
It is all I have to hold on to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;maybe this time&#8221; will never happen.</p>
<p>I have lost my trust in the people who have been elected &#8220;by the people&#8221; to run this country of and by the Constitution. ALL of them. </p>
<p>I will fight them with my voice and vote, but I feel as if I am in the minority.</p>
<p>I hope the country has awoken from their fantasy slumber.<br />
It is all I have to hold on to.</p>
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		<title>By: Maybe this time… DC House Stinker Pelosi Will Reak Up The Air Worst Then As Reid Stated Our Citizens Do! &#124; DC SMELL REPORT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maybe this time… DC House Stinker Pelosi Will Reak Up The Air Worst Then As Reid Stated Our Citizens Do! &#124; DC SMELL REPORT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: beachgirlusa</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/maybe-this-time/comment-page-2/#comment-2927196</link>
		<dc:creator>beachgirlusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“Take two aspirin and read Doc Zero in the morning.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;





Best advice I&#039;ve heard all day.





&lt;blockquote&gt;I recommend HA and the Doc to everyone I run across who expresses even a hint of understanding of today’s issues.

Mr_Magoo &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Same here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Take two aspirin and read Doc Zero in the morning.” </p></blockquote>
<p>Best advice I&#8217;ve heard all day.</p>
<blockquote><p>I recommend HA and the Doc to everyone I run across who expresses even a hint of understanding of today’s issues.</p>
<p>Mr_Magoo </p></blockquote>
<p>Same here.</p>
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		<title>By: 4shoes</title>
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		<dc:creator>4shoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a reason why this isn&#039;t posting to my facebook page?</description>
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		<title>By: Always To The Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Always To The Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fantasyland...&lt;/strong&gt;

Maybe this time&#8230;
Maybe the bill passed by the House on
Saturday night will stay within its cost projections. Of course, you
have several cost projections to choose from. The Democrats&#8217; cost
claims are all ridiculous lies, designed......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fantasyland&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Maybe this time&#8230;<br />
Maybe the bill passed by the House on<br />
Saturday night will stay within its cost projections. Of course, you<br />
have several cost projections to choose from. The Democrats&#8217; cost<br />
claims are all ridiculous lies, designed&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lovingmyUSA</title>
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		<dc:creator>lovingmyUSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Time,to re-introduce,

the phrase,

I Hope the President Fails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on November 8, 2009 at 7:59 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
+++1000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Time,to re-introduce,</p>
<p>the phrase,</p>
<p>I Hope the President Fails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>canopfor on November 8, 2009 at 7:59 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>+++1000</p>
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		<title>By: Mormon Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mormon Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Z, another wonderful post. I don&#039;t understand how people like you are able to remain clear and on track ideologically when people (certain bloggers -ahem Ed) begin to waiver. I don&#039;t see the insistance on what can be referred to as an overwhelming desire to appear reasonable in your work. There is no dithering and no self flagellation that so many authors develop as they become more widely read. I used to see this same kind of fire in the work of other bloggers but it gradually gets diluted.      I hope that never happens to your work. Great job on another well articulated piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Z, another wonderful post. I don&#8217;t understand how people like you are able to remain clear and on track ideologically when people (certain bloggers -ahem Ed) begin to waiver. I don&#8217;t see the insistance on what can be referred to as an overwhelming desire to appear reasonable in your work. There is no dithering and no self flagellation that so many authors develop as they become more widely read. I used to see this same kind of fire in the work of other bloggers but it gradually gets diluted.      I hope that never happens to your work. Great job on another well articulated piece.</p>
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		<title>By: justltl</title>
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		<dc:creator>justltl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the last General Secretary of the Commies, I mean.

Philly on November 8, 2009 at 8:54 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;a href=&quot;http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab276/justltl/commies111.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Not quite the last.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the last General Secretary of the Commies, I mean.</p>
<p>Philly on November 8, 2009 at 8:54 PM</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab276/justltl/commies111.jpg" rel="nofollow">Not quite the last.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Philly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the last General Secretary of the Commies, I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the last General Secretary of the Commies, I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Philly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commie Gorbachev is on CNN extoling the greatness of The One&#039;s plans to turn the U.S. into a socialist state via industry takeovers and nationalized health care. Why am I not surprised that the General Secretary of the Communist Party hearts Barry Soetoro. That&#039;s some endorsement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commie Gorbachev is on CNN extoling the greatness of The One&#8217;s plans to turn the U.S. into a socialist state via industry takeovers and nationalized health care. Why am I not surprised that the General Secretary of the Communist Party hearts Barry Soetoro. That&#8217;s some endorsement.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/maybe-this-time/comment-page-2/#comment-2927041</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jelly Toast:

Actually, Newt is a good example of how hard it is to kill an entitlement or a department. He wanted to let the Health Care Finance Administration &quot;die on the vine&quot; by decentralizing through Medical Savings Accounts, etc. He was called a Granny-killer, and he wasn&#039;t even proposing Obama&#039;s Life and Death Panels (after all, asometimes they do decide you can live).

Theoretically, yes, you can repeal a law or close an agency--but it&#039;s tough. The Dept. of Education was a Carter gift to unions, but we couldn&#039;t close it. We couldn&#039;t even close the NEA for all their rank idiocy.

The one success was Welfare Reform. But that was repealed in Porkulus, giving states incentives to sign up as many people as possible again. 

Better kill this monster in the Senate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jelly Toast:</p>
<p>Actually, Newt is a good example of how hard it is to kill an entitlement or a department. He wanted to let the Health Care Finance Administration &#8220;die on the vine&#8221; by decentralizing through Medical Savings Accounts, etc. He was called a Granny-killer, and he wasn&#8217;t even proposing Obama&#8217;s Life and Death Panels (after all, asometimes they do decide you can live).</p>
<p>Theoretically, yes, you can repeal a law or close an agency&#8211;but it&#8217;s tough. The Dept. of Education was a Carter gift to unions, but we couldn&#8217;t close it. We couldn&#8217;t even close the NEA for all their rank idiocy.</p>
<p>The one success was Welfare Reform. But that was repealed in Porkulus, giving states incentives to sign up as many people as possible again. </p>
<p>Better kill this monster in the Senate.</p>
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		<title>By: justltl</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/maybe-this-time/comment-page-2/#comment-2927026</link>
		<dc:creator>justltl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the contempt part is no sweat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the contempt part is no sweat.</p>
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		<title>By: justltl</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/maybe-this-time/comment-page-2/#comment-2927023</link>
		<dc:creator>justltl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Andy in Agoura Hills on November 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agree.
We are at war for our freedom and nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Andy in Agoura Hills on November 8, 2009 at 7:48 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Agree.<br />
We are at war for our freedom and nation.</p>
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		<title>By: ladyhawke53</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Procedurally, yes it can be overcome’ Pratically, once a certain portion of the “leech” population (who can vote) starts to get an “entitlement” — it will never be repealed!

We will be spent $$$ into oblivion.
The progressives will keep chipping away at the constitution ’til it’s all gone. Listen to Reagan’s ‘64 speech — they were trying it then! He sounds like he’s opposing Obama/Pelosi! They will never give up —

Look at the CNN, MSNBC, CBS websites — 90% are pro-Obama, pro-this health care take over! We are NOT winning! We are talking tom ourselves here!

The Senate WILL pass it all, with “government option” (=takeover!)

AND most of the people will be happy and by 2010 they will forget!

rebuzz on November 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I see what you&#039;re saying, however, the crap bill doesn&#039;t go into effect until 2013 if passed.  To even get to that point, the Senate has to pass their version; the house and senate then have to get together and &lt;em&gt;agree&lt;/em&gt; on 1 life sucking, liberty killing bill; then each have to vote again.  I&#039;ve been wrong before, but I don&#039;t think it can get to the final step before the primaries next spring, which can and should be very telling to the brainless leadership currently in office.

I do agree that once an entitlement is set in place it is hard to repeal, but again the entitlements won&#039;t go into effect before a new President is elected, so it shouldn&#039;t be too difficult to &lt;strong&gt;not &lt;/strong&gt;implement that which hasn&#039;t happened.

I do disagree that we&#039;re talking to ourselves.  The numbers of those who feel disenfranchised by this administration and it&#039;s minions is growing.  Look how various groups have grown since the first tea party in April.  Sure it seems like we&#039;re all online complaining to each other, but there are good conservative people out there running for political office, many on a local level, but several that I&#039;m aware of running for state and federal positions.  Even though he didn&#039;t quite make it, Doug Hoffman did a pretty good job coming out of nowhere basically.  We&#039;ve loads of time to work with those who will take that leap to take our country back.  We (all of us) have to get out there and work for, campaign for, support financially those willing to come forward.  

It&#039;s not over yet.  I personally refuse to sit back and take this.  And I don&#039;t think we&#039;re going to forget by 2010.  Just my humble opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Procedurally, yes it can be overcome’ Pratically, once a certain portion of the “leech” population (who can vote) starts to get an “entitlement” — it will never be repealed!</p>
<p>We will be spent $$$ into oblivion.<br />
The progressives will keep chipping away at the constitution ’til it’s all gone. Listen to Reagan’s ‘64 speech — they were trying it then! He sounds like he’s opposing Obama/Pelosi! They will never give up —</p>
<p>Look at the CNN, MSNBC, CBS websites — 90% are pro-Obama, pro-this health care take over! We are NOT winning! We are talking tom ourselves here!</p>
<p>The Senate WILL pass it all, with “government option” (=takeover!)</p>
<p>AND most of the people will be happy and by 2010 they will forget!</p>
<p>rebuzz on November 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>I see what you&#8217;re saying, however, the crap bill doesn&#8217;t go into effect until 2013 if passed.  To even get to that point, the Senate has to pass their version; the house and senate then have to get together and <em>agree</em> on 1 life sucking, liberty killing bill; then each have to vote again.  I&#8217;ve been wrong before, but I don&#8217;t think it can get to the final step before the primaries next spring, which can and should be very telling to the brainless leadership currently in office.</p>
<p>I do agree that once an entitlement is set in place it is hard to repeal, but again the entitlements won&#8217;t go into effect before a new President is elected, so it shouldn&#8217;t be too difficult to <strong>not </strong>implement that which hasn&#8217;t happened.</p>
<p>I do disagree that we&#8217;re talking to ourselves.  The numbers of those who feel disenfranchised by this administration and it&#8217;s minions is growing.  Look how various groups have grown since the first tea party in April.  Sure it seems like we&#8217;re all online complaining to each other, but there are good conservative people out there running for political office, many on a local level, but several that I&#8217;m aware of running for state and federal positions.  Even though he didn&#8217;t quite make it, Doug Hoffman did a pretty good job coming out of nowhere basically.  We&#8217;ve loads of time to work with those who will take that leap to take our country back.  We (all of us) have to get out there and work for, campaign for, support financially those willing to come forward.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not over yet.  I personally refuse to sit back and take this.  And I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re going to forget by 2010.  Just my humble opinion.</p>
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