Is this the high-water mark for ObamaCare?
posted at 9:00 am on November 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Democrats wheedled, cajoled, begged, and finally abandoned its defense of abortion — truly a watershed moment — in order to get their version of ObamaCare passed … in the House of Representatives, where they enjoy a 75-seat majority. In the end, they could only muster a five-vote win on Nancy Pelosi’s bill out of that strong majority. Until this week, most had assumed that any ObamaCare bill would pass the House easily, but that the fight would be in the Senate.
So what does this 220-215 vote tell us? Capitol Hill Democrats know that this bill is an albatross. It’s true that Pelosi was able at the end to negotiate votes to allow a few at-risk Democrats that supported the bill to oppose it in the final vote, but even that tells a tale of fear and consciousness of unpopularity. The razor-thin vote, as well as a number of earlier, more sincere defections, show that this bill was a radical and expensive approach to fix a 13% problem — and even most of the Democrats know it.
Now the focus swings to the Senate, where Harry Reid will have to gain supermajorities at least twice to allow the bill to proceed to a final vote. That seems unlikely, although not impossible. The process will slow down considerably from the jam-down Pelosi conducted in the lower chamber, perhaps even to a crawl if Tom Coburn makes good on his threat to have the bill read in its entirety on the Senate floor. That will leave plenty of time for ObamaCare opponents to find all of the taxes, mandates, and government intrusions that will make it even less popular as it sits in the Senate. Even before Coburn’s threat, Democrats had pushed expectations for the bill out to late January — which makes the politics of the bill even more fraught for Democrats, at the start of an election year.
Democrats have another problem, even in the House. The Senate is not considering the Pelosi plan, but one they wrote themselves. Unless Reid pulls his own bill out of consideration and substitutes Pelosi’s — which is a possibility — that sets up a conference committee and second vote in each chamber, assuming that the Senate passes anything at all. If that happens, a conference committee will have to meet to produce another bill that would then go for a full floor vote in each chamber. If abortion funding makes its way back into the bill, or if mandates or taxes increase, or if conscience protections get stripped, then all of the hurdles that Pelosi barely cleared the first time return, and without the ability to amend the bill (conference reports get straight up-or-down votes without amendments in order to have both chambers pass identical legislation for the President to sign.) That means another shot at a filibuster and a lengthy bill reading in the Senate, and at least a chance to hold Bart Stupak’s pro-life coalition in the House under the spotlight to find out whether they will vote their conscience or bow to Pelosi.
We always thought the fight was in the Senate, so the only real surprise yesterday was how weak Pelosi actually was on ObamaCare. Our focus now has to shift to those red-state Senators who will have to explain to voters their potential support of a bill that imposes unconstitutional mandates and trillions of dollars in new costs on a government that can’t pay its bills now. And in this case, we’ll only need two of them to stop the runaway tyranny of the Democratic agenda.
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Sadly, my AMA post was updated. The AMA is rescinding its recission of its endorsement. Maybe the members just wanted to shout, “Hey, consult us next time!”
Wethal on November 8, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Listen, Harry Reid and the dems will tell any dem who considers voting no in the Senate that they will absolutely, utterly destroy that senator and everyone in his/her family. They will go Tony fuc$ing Soprano on his or her a$$. There is no way they will let a single dem peel off. Any so-called “conservative” dems in the Senate are about to find out just what kind of dirty crime family they’ve joined up with. This thing will be on Barry’s desk by January.
Rational Thought on November 8, 2009 at 10:30 AM
It was the out of touch cigar smoking dude that kept telling us to vote Republican because they don’t spend and don’t expand socialism. All the while the GOP is spending like crazy and expanding government like never before, until now that is.
Thanks Rush and Bush for helping us get to where we are now. If it wasn’t for Rush unwilling to hold the GOP accountable because he feared the Dems we would not be here.
It’s amazing how many here praise Rush yet he is as responsible as anyone else for our mess.
True_King on November 8, 2009 at 10:31 AM
you may need a sarc tag here………
Rovin on November 8, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Lest we forget …… “From our standpoint, we picked up votes last night,” a cheerful Pelosi said, “one in California and one in New York.”
And without those two it would have passed by ONE vote.
fogw on November 8, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Have you been asleep for the past 30 years? We have been paying for illegal alien health coverage for the past 30 years, the very reason for the higher costs we have been paying, not due to “insurance company greed”.
Abortion will eventually be covered by these morons AND GREAT NEWS, THEY WILL BE UNEMPLOYED IN 2010.
dthorny on November 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM
I agree, I think Reid will fall on the sword for the almighty obama, and then, he will receive his rewards.
mobydutch on November 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM
This thing may just come back to bite them on the ass.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Doesn’t matter. If they’ve got a democrat secretary of state, the final tally will be held out until the democrat wins, and plain, old ordinary democrat employees will “produce” the ballots behind closed doors right in the secretary of state’s office.
Rational Thought on November 8, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Quote of the Century ……
Maura was referring to the possessed girl from The Exorcist.
SagebrushPuppet on November 8, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Someone early in the thread posted that elections have consequences. Well the newest member of the House (Bill Owens of NY23 fame) shredded 4 campaign promises within 24 hours of being sworn in. Found this on Drudge: http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7623:owens-to-break-campaign-promises&catid=60:st-lawrence-news&Itemid=175
Dede really screwed up.
Metanis on November 8, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Lieberman said on FNC this morning that he would fillibuster any bill that has a public option. Nice.
commodore on November 8, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Another liberal troll out from the shadows.
dthorny on November 8, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Voting for McCain – who SINCE THE ELECTION patted Obama on the back for “saving” GM – would have saved the republic?
Remember: the whole world is on a slow (but accelerating) slide toward socialism. It will happen because that’s what more and more people think they want. And, as someone pointed out above, liberalism is an ideology, a religion. Like with Islam, there apparently are some in Congress who are willing to die (professionally) for the cause of global socialism. Own someone’s health and you’ll own them. You know it, I know it, and they know it. If they got beaten back this time, they would have just tried again later – with more immediate success – when the GOP once again grows drunk with power and begins resembling those they ran to oppose.
Sorry to sound hopeless but short of a miracle in ’10 – meaning not a GOP win but an across the board CONSERVATIVE sweep – America and western civilization is already history; we just haven’t heard the coffin lid slam yet.
splink on November 8, 2009 at 10:35 AM
POTD w/golfclap.
splink on November 8, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Ed, if you can’t step outside and see the real world once in a while, at least open a window!
You’re sounding more and more like those dainty little “pundits” over at NRO, who base everything on theory, gamesmanship and a misguided belief that the traitors in D.C. will play by the rules because you do.
While you prognosticate and speak so reasonably about the criminals and thugs out there as if they are simply opponents in some other-worldly game of ideas, they simply bully their way in and take what they want.
Didn’t you recently say Osama Obama’s toadies couldn’t get this through the House? And now you say “it can’t get through the Senate….”
Man up, dude. The barbarians don’t play by your rules. Learn to play their game — because, as of now, they’re winning — or become as irrelevant as the rest of the chattering class.
MrScribbler on November 8, 2009 at 10:36 AM
True-King: I am so sick of this nonsense. Sometimes I wonder if people who write this stuff are actually Mobies. The Republicans are not the ones cramming this down our throats. Some people wonder how out of touch liberals like Obama and Reid and Pelosi could ever win…well one thing they have going for them are the people out there who refuse to do anything but complain. They will not support an electable alternative to the Democrats and then sit back and blame everyone but themselves when Democrats win.
Right now, the Democrats are the ones supporting Obamacare, the only way to stop them is to vote for people who will oppose them politically. Thus far the Republicans have by and large done that. They have opposed them on the Waxman bill and Obamacare and I am going to vote for whatever Republican that runs against Ellsworth.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:37 AM
heh.
Now that’s believable.
fogw on November 8, 2009 at 10:38 AM
For all you republicans and other who stayed home on election day…You suck. You are as much to blame as anyone else.
tomas on November 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Don’t try to lay that blame on me. Put it where it belongs, on the 51 percent who voted those people into office, and on yourself for your lame, and ineffective arguments against all of this.
Skandia Recluse on November 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Sorry Recluse, but tomas is correct. If you failed to step up to save the Republic when you had the chance, you are part of the problem. Granted those of us did step up have failed to save your sorry arse from the statists, but at least we tried, while you sat back and let us fight the battle for you. You have no right to blame us for not doing enough for you while you say on your duff feeling smug. Screw you. You are as much trash as the libs.
MikeA on November 8, 2009 at 9:56 AM
I did’t vote for that stupid, usless sack of rino crap, mclame.But I did vote for Sarah. If the gop keeps pushing sacks of crap as candidates then we will all be screwed. I will never again vote party over principle, I’ve had to do that far too many times in the last thirty years, my nose hurts from having to hold it ,to pretend there’s no stench.So screw you.
huckelberry on November 8, 2009 at 10:40 AM
And the truth is there was not a great desire on the part of the American people to stop the expansion of government for years. Government has grown with the population for decades now and it also grew when Reagan was president. That is what people seemed to want. Now, they are getting scared because government is growing so far so fast and is costing so much money.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:40 AM
He has that special “Rush” vote in Congress– I see.
I think I saw that in the Constitution just after the Preamble . Rachel Maddow even missed it.
CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Maybe if you cry enough, mommy will clean up your mess.
fogw on November 8, 2009 at 10:42 AM
McCain put Sarah Palin on the ticket, if not for him there would not have been a Sarah Palin to vote for. And she obviously was not ashamed to share that ticket for him.
As for putting power over principle, unless one of your principles includes letting a bunch of crazy Democrats take over the government and bankrupt the country then I fail to see how sitting back and just whining about the GOP has accomplished anything of principle.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Do tell, do tell?
thomasaur on November 8, 2009 at 10:43 AM
You gave yourself away with this one. Limbaugh ran counter to Bush on many, many issues, and frequently took him to task for his out-of-control spending. If you listened to Limbaugh’s show, you’d know that.
Troll here if you “must,” but please do 30 seconds of research first.
WesternActor on November 8, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Right now, I intend to support the party, the GOP…I will do that to stop Obama’s agenda {if that is possible} because my principles require it of me.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:45 AM
No biggie, really.
If this passes in any form and is signed into law, it will mean the end of the America we all know and love.
Dave R. on November 8, 2009 at 10:45 AM
This Congressman is right on the mark:
(via gatewaypundit)
Ouch… Rep. Mark Souder Busts Pelosi After Her Sappy Teddycare Speech on House Floor (Video)
Saturday, November 7, 2009, 5:55 PM
Jim Hoft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLkog2V-O5Y&feature=player_embedded
Democrats will own this socialist government takeover of healthcare just like they own the failed stimulus, 2 trillion dollar deficit,tanking dollar,10.2% unemployment,and an inept foreign policy.
Democrats ignore the will of the people at their own risk.
Baxter Greene on November 8, 2009 at 10:46 AM
True-King:
I do not always agree with Rush, in fact I think that Rush is a media personality…and that is why I don’t blame him. He has no real power or authority. He does not make policy. If you want to blame someone, blame the people who voted for these idiots.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Unfortunately this is right. But its always been so, there have always been certain people that will take and take and take to gain and keep power. That is how tyrannies are created. Only people willing to fight for liberty can beat this back.
JonPrichard on November 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM
The final vote is misleading.
They could have had bigger numbers if they needed them, but they decided not to make people who will certainly lose in 2010 walk the plank unnecessarilly
notagool on November 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Ed, I hate to break this to you, but the Senate is controlled by freedom-hating Marxists, and we are now but one Senate vote away from the destruction of our republic.
Dave R. on November 8, 2009 at 10:49 AM
I hope all the Medicare recipients are ready for the “medical home” prescribed in the resolution. No more choice people, just a gatekeeper to decide when, where and with whom you may or may not receive specialized care. Also, be prepared to see a nurse practitioner in place of your doctor. Anybody that didn’t believe the stories being generated about this healthcare aberration had better steel themselves and do some research, because your life is about to change dramatically.
rplat on November 8, 2009 at 10:49 AM
WesternActor:
Bush’s spending was downright constrained compared to these people. When the Democrats took control of the Congress in 2006, the deficit was down to about $168 billion. We run more than that in a month now. If the deficit and spending were right we they both were 3 years ago we would be way better off. Way better. I don’t think a lot of people on the right or the left are aware of just how much more money this administration and Congress are spending compared to anything or anyone previously.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Dittos. I don’t get the reasoning behind that at all.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Time you headed on back to Bill Mahers lap buddy.
Texyank on November 8, 2009 at 10:51 AM
I am not quite sure why this is, but the Senate is not as liberal as the House. And the Senate operates by a different set of rules as well. That is why cap and trade can pass in the House and be dead in the Senate.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Partisan on November 8, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Interestingly enough I suspect TrueKing doesn’t either
CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Oh, I’m aware of all that. My point was merely that the original poster’s suggestion that Limbaugh was completely in Bush’s corner on spending the whole time was nonsense. And it is. Limbaugh took Bush to task for his outrageous spending, and has been doing the same to President Obama—magnified to match the even more ridiculous excesses to which the current administration is going, of course. So far, Limbaugh is the only one of the three who hasn’t changed his positions on these issues, or pretended to be something he hasn’t. I just think that the trolls attempting to take down a major icon and water-carrier for conservatives should be better informed, that’s all, or they’ll look every bit as idiotic as True_King does.
WesternActor on November 8, 2009 at 10:53 AM
WesternActor on November 8, 2009 at 10:53 AM
+1
CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Stick to principles?? Oh please, the GOP has refused to support Obama on any major domestic policy item. They have voted overwhelmingly against that agenda. If there were more of them in the Congress, there is no way we would be looking at Obamacare passing in the House or the Senate. Does this mean that every single Republican is totally conservative all the time? Of course not, but they would not have let this pass if they had the numbers to stop it. That is just the reality and all the people who invent reasons to not support them or vote for them are just making it easier for people like Pelosi to do what she did last night.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Western Actor:
I understand that, Rush does not always support anyone, he is his own man. My point was only that the spending was not that outrageous when you take into account wars, natural disasters, recessions, 911 and all the other stuff Bush had to deal with.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:56 AM
If this thing passes this year, we have a chance to stop it after the 2010 elections. If we can’t do it then, we can try again after the 2012 elections, then 2014, but at the latest 2016. I believe our country, with its existing constitutional structures, will still be around and kicking then, even if under incredible stress and debt. Let’s not spread pessimism, but realism and optimism. That will help us achieve our goal.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 10:57 AM
You put that well
CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Just imagine Gen. Washington saying; “Well that does it boys, we’re screwed. May as well pack up and go home”.
thomasaur on November 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Yes, but why is that? Because the bill is unpopular. If this agenda was as popular as Obama and the Democrats say it is it would not be necessary for the people voting for it to worry about covering their behinds. What it tells people is that if they want to stop this stuff, they will have to get rid of Nancy Pelosi as Speaker and the only to do that is to get rid of the Democratic majority.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 11:01 AM
You are right.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 11:02 AM
I know of no one here talking about totally giving up. Preparing for utter defeat? Yes. Surrendering and going inert? No. It’s just that some of us have earned the right to have zero faith in the memory span, stamina and sense of outrage of the majority of voters…including many who, at the moment, are po’d. Better hope it lasts.
splink on November 8, 2009 at 11:03 AM
I’m not talking about it, but I’ve been thinking about it. Or, more specifically, what to do if all this goes down the way the President, the Speaker, and all the rest want it to. Where is there left to go in the world that’s truly free? Can one live in the United States totally “off the grid,” as it were? I refuse to be a part of the world these hideous people are trying to create, but I don’t know where else to go if, God forbid, it truly comes to pass. I can’t stop thinking about that. Right now, it’s second in my mind to doing everything within my (extremely limited) power to prevent things from getting that far. But it’s in there nonetheless.
WesternActor on November 8, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I really don’t get these bellicose sentiments among republicans. Can it bee that most republicans are sheep? Pre-Bush most republicans were anti-interventionist and Democrats pro-interventionist. The Bush changed the equation and all of a sudden most or all repubs support one crazy and costly foreign intervention after the other with fanatical zealotry. And as a matter of party politics the democrats oppose it. I really hope that Obama will enact the true conservative policy of withdrawal for Iraq and Afghanistan and it will be an irony that the most leftwards president America has ever seen will be the one to end this liberal interventionist policy. The added benefit will be that it will free up huge resources for the Heath Care Plan – thus saving american lives both abroad and at home. Yupiee.
JC – a REAL conservative rather than a liberal republican.
JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Thanks for posting that link.
ladyingray on November 8, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Answer: yes. I think something will pass like minor insurance “reform” (the government deformed it in the first place) but nothing like this biblical length tome that passed the house.
The high-water mark for Obama was on election night ’08. It has been, and will continue to be, a downhill slide for America as well as Obama till he leaves in humiliation in 2013.
Mojave Mark on November 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM
You insulted delusions.
Mara is the biggest fraud in the news, especially on Sundays. She sits there, prim, proper and ‘pretty’, and pretends, oh how she tries at it, to be objective.
In reality she’s a flaming liberal, with a sense of reality, that they can’t do what they want to do, at all times. That’s what that bitter smirk is all about.
I’d rather deal with Michelle Obama, Maxine Waters, Pelosi or Boxer, attacking me from the front, than have Barack or Mara even remotely toward my back, any second of the day.
Beware of big pretenders who’ll stab you, elegantly.
Schadenfreude on November 8, 2009 at 11:13 AM
It is very important that one thing come out of post-vote analysis. We need to know precisely which Democrats voted no ‘by permission’ versus on their principles.
The order of the votes could be the key to this; how many of the Dems voted ‘No’ AFTER they had 218 ‘Yes’. I know for a fact the Chet Edwards (CD17-TX) was a ‘Permission’ No vote. They should pay the price as if they voted Yes because they are supporting those that foisted this nightmare onto us.
michaelo on November 8, 2009 at 11:14 AM
It better be. I fear for this country more than I ever have in my lifetime.
Skywise on November 8, 2009 at 11:15 AM
How many people will be moving to Texas?
txag92 on November 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM
McCain put Sarah Palin on the ticket, if not for him there would not have been a Sarah Palin to vote for. And she obviously was not ashamed to share that ticket for him.
As for putting power over principle, unless one of your principles includes letting a bunch of crazy Democrats take over the government and bankrupt the country then I fail to see how sitting back and just whining about the GOP has accomplished anything of principle.
Terrye on November 8, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Yep mcslime put her on the ticket, then he and all his semi liberal minnions drew their long knives and repeatedly stabbed her and us in the back.They continue to do so to this day.Moderates are destroying the gop and America .Yes the demofaciests are what they are but moderates are the enabellers. If Americans have a clear choice they’ll vote principles first.
huckelberry on November 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I’m 51 years old, and this just depresses the hell out of me. I already have some aches and pains and a bum knee that I know will get worse as I get older. I expect to live a long time because my parents have, but I think I have little to look forward to but an old age filled with pain and misery. There will not be any doctors left in this country 25 years from now; hospitals will be closed, there will be no new treatments for anything, and no surgical procedures at all for anyone my age or older.
I think people are being very selfish and temporary in their thinking on this issue. We have a gigantic Baby Boom generation that is just hitting Medicare age; we are an extremely spoiled generation that has gotten used to the best of everything, including medical care. But by the time we reach serious old age, it won’t be there for us.
I wonder how we will react to this. The politicians in charge will all be younger than us and will not listen. The younger people behind us will be used to the crappy health care system and will be paying higher and higher taxes to pay for it, and they will be more interested in seeing us die than seeing us cared for.
rockmom on November 8, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Hey we are neighbors!~ I sent her faxes to her local office here in Erie and in DC….Too bad she’s a richie-rich golden-crib jewelry dynasty.
You betcha she’s going down. I so wanna scribble the car with the fine/jail tidbit, and my sentiments which are not that heartwarming.
ProudPalinFan on November 8, 2009 at 11:18 AM
That’s well and good, but there needs to be a backup plan. The only real way to separate liberty-loving people from those who prefer centralized control is to split the country into two.
I read the posts by the trolls here and if they believe half of what they post, I have no more in common with them, politically, than I would have with a serf who rationalized feudalism. It’s pointless to have to live under the same system of governance. We need a “no-fault” political divorce from these people or they are going to drag us down to the abyss. They know they need our money and productivity, which is why, despite all the insults they sling, they would howl and scream like banshees rather than let the country split in two along county lines, according to this map.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/countymapredbluer1024.png
Splitting by county would be the least disruptive, since we already have governmental infrastructure at the county level in this country. I live in Cook County and pay a crapload of Federal income tax. I’d be happy to move a couple counties over and pay a much lower tax rate to the “Red County Federal Government”, which stuck to the original US Constitution.
venividivici on November 8, 2009 at 11:19 AM
They all voted to make Nancy Pelosi Speaker, and they will again if they are re-elected. That is the only vote that matters. This vote was a cheap fig leaf for those Democrats that voted No. It is up to us who live in their districts to make sure they get no credit for it.
rockmom on November 8, 2009 at 11:19 AM
For those that don’t know Dahlkemper, she is so into being “green” that she wants us all to ride bicycles for everyday things.
HEELLOOOO IN PENNSYLVANIA??? IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER? WE’LL HAUL WOOD AND DEER IN A BIKE??? WTF? I miss you, Phil English!
ProudPalinFan on November 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM
He brought her to the dance and after all of the ‘cool kids’ attacks she is still here and getting stronger. The Mullahs in the GOP thought that she would be a good ‘throwaway VP pick’ leaving the rest of the good ol’ boys safe for future elections. They woefully underestimated her appeal to many in America. It remains to be seen what or how much she can accomplish but fact remains that she is in the show now.
thomasaur on November 8, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Unfortunately its hard to know the real vote count.
Presumably, Pelosi allowed certain Blue Dogs to vote NO, so that they can say in 2010 that they opposed the Bill. We can’t know how many were told to vote no and how many bucked Pelosi to vote no.
Revenant on November 8, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Too late. The House has made its decision. The donks are willing to absorb some losses after the fact. And, I’m not convinced the Senate will be willing to be perceived as the obstacle. I wouldn’t trust Lieberman.
a capella on November 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM
By this means I apologize for the way we poorly elect our officials in the state of Pennsylvania. WE SUCK from the Governor, all the way down.
I wanna get the hell outta here but I can’t/I am so screwed!
ProudPalinFan on November 8, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Before you get too puffed up, here are a few considerations why you’re only partly right:
- the primaries for the right were a disgrace; any party that is that stupid and catty deserves what they ended up with, an older hero who doesn’t know when to retire with grace, just like all the power-hungry decrepit men in Wash. D.C., no matter their affiliations
- Romney was shunned for his religion; we could have used savvy businessman to lead us through this economic mess; instead we ended up with an atheist, former Muslim, who’s incompetend and underdeveloped in all regards; at one point he could read a teleprompter well. Now, he can’t even do that any more, but some still thingk he ‘looks good’.
- Thompsom dithered, was old and appeared to lack that something in the belly that they all need to win; McCain eventually suffered of the same malaise. Fred was ripped to shreds too, here and elsewhere.
- Paul…well, what to say…he and his ilk…have a few good ideas on the economy and freedoms and then become Buchanons on isolationism, racism, and etc…coconuts…
- Independents, who’re fickle whores, swinging toward the pimp of the moment, and who should change their name because they are anything but independent.
- Spoiled conservative brats who cried waaaaaa on election night and stayed home, because they didn’t get the right pacifier, or it wasn’t of their flavored taste.
- Stupid conservatives/Republicans, who voted for Obamination, something I will never figure out until I die.
- Stupid centrist and a bit to the right Democrats who did the same.
- Guilty whites and etc. who voted for “the first black miracle”, never mind the Idiot in Chief he’s turned out to be, domestically and internationally.
I could go on, but quit moping, you and Terrye. It’s done. It’s a Travesty for the Country and the World.
It has a silver lining. Having been dumped into such boiling water, the frogs are jumping out of the pan, and actually doing something to stop or replace this. Some of the damage will never be reversible. However, this Illusion in Chief wasn’t allowed to go on for as long as they intended.
Fortunately the American people did wake up from their stupidity, and the well-deserved mess they wrought.
Schadenfreude on November 8, 2009 at 11:33 AM
incompetend = incompetent
Schadenfreude on November 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM
This habit of using one single piece of legislation and then drawing red lines in sand must stop. No candidate in this whole wide world won’t make compromises.
Would McCain have done a better job than Obama? Yes. That’s good enough.
rightistliberal on November 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM
IrishEi on November 8, 2009 at 9:26 AM
At first the last statement for me in the am was difficult to understand. I have health issues right now. Does anybody has this on tape? Or Flipped?
I’d pay to have this on all the airwaves. This to me (and I dunno much about history), is impeachable/treasonous. Oh well, pass me the bong./sarc
ProudPalinFan on November 8, 2009 at 11:40 AM
No, but she would not have been destroyed to this extent, and as rapidly.
On the other hand, the frogs would have gradually gotten used to the water temperature, and might not have jumped out of the pan so soon, in order to Save the Republic, again, by dumping these traitors, from both sides of the isle.
The frog analogy is courtesy of LegendHasIt, who deserves FULL credit, no matter who uses it.
Go forward outside of the Water and get all others you can out of it!!!
Schadenfreude on November 8, 2009 at 11:43 AM
That’s just plain stupid. Unless by “pre-Bush” you mean “pre-Eisenhower.”
Pre-Bush was another Bush. He invaded Panama, and got us into a war in the Gulf, remember? And Republicans were unanimous in support. The anti-interventionists then were Gore and a few of his Democrat buddies.
Pre-Bush was a Republican Congress who pressured Clinton on faster expansion of NATO into the old Warsaw Pact countries, following the collapse of the Soviet empire.
Pre-Bush was Reagan, who non-intervened in Grenada, El Salvador, Nicaragua, challenged the Soviets by deploying nuclear weapons in Germany, spent exorbitantly on Star Wars — not as a means of defense, but as a (successful) method of scaring the Soviets into financial collapse….
Pre-Bush, even when an impeached Democrat president, Clinton, got us into a totally avoidable war in Kosovo, (with no United Nations backing, and over the protests of a permanent Security Council member, Russia), the majority of Republicans in Congress supported him.
As the saying goes, you’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
notropis on November 8, 2009 at 11:44 AM
That’s the first good laugh I’ve had this entire unhappy morning :)
Pavel on November 8, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I’m not really too concerned yet that this bill will ever become law. Remember, this is really the first step. It still has to go to the senate, then be blended with the senate version, then the final version has to be approved again by both the house and the senate. We have the one thing on our side that really matters..Time. The more the details come out about this plan, the more unpopular it gets. Obama was able to twist arms, bribe, or blackmail a few dems in the house, which is notoriously jelly spined. However, I don’t think he’s going to succeed with the senate like that. The Stupak amendment will be yanked and that could drive another 40 house members away from voting on the final bill. At this time, I don’t even think they have 50 dem senators who would vote for this monstrosity. Several of them are up for re-election in 2010 and I don’t think there is one of them who would run on this.
Bikerken on November 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM
That is absolutely absurd! If Rush, a commentator on the radio, and private citizen is responsible, then we’re ALL responsible. I don’t believe Rush has any power to mandate anything in D.C., nor is he allowed a vote in either the House, or Senate.
If Dems were seriously concerned about Bush, and Republican spending, and many, even Rush criticized Bush, and Republicans for it…then the Dems would have started work on it, when they took control in 2006. Instead, they worked even harder to collapse the housing market, by forcing banks to make risky loans to people who could hardly afford a home. Then they got Obama elected, and the freight train ran wild. The spending is way above, and beyond that of any previous presidents, combined. Yes! Even Bush.
Take a class, and remember….both parties are to blame.
capejasmine on November 8, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Someone answer me something: If it is true that the NY 23 winner ran on opposing nat’l health care and changed his mind only after the election, why are all these Sunday Dem talking heads not being challenged when the use that NY 23 outcome as a victory for obamacare? What am I missing?
PaCadle on November 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM
It has a silver lining. Having been dumped into such boiling water, the frogs are jumping out of the pan, and actually doing something to stop or replace this. Some of the damage will never be reversible. However, this Illusion in Chief wasn’t allowed to go on for as long as they intended.
Fortunately the American people did wake up from their stupidity, and the well-deserved mess they wrought.
Schadenfreude on November 8, 2009 at 11:33 AM
If those frogs had a conservative lilly pad to land on things could be fixed in short order, otherwise they are landing in the fire to be slow roasted.The moderate path is the same as the radial leftist it just takes longerto get there. ONE COMPROMIS AT A TIME..
huckelberry on November 8, 2009 at 11:54 AM
I am hoping that the constituents in the districts of these sell outs see right thru that argument. Hell, it’s not even an argument, as you need 2 opposing points of view for an argument. See thru their excuses. Because that’s about all they have left, are excuses.
capejasmine on November 8, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Sorry, but this is head-in-the-sand wrong. What the vote last night showed was what totally rabid animals the Dems are and what they are willing to do in order to shove their agenda through. This vote took place RIGHT AFTER the Dems got trounced in the elections, which, in itself, ought to tell you what I just stated and should tell you how insane these people are. If you are comforted that the insanity and dishonesty of the Dems is far beyond that this nation has ever in its history even come close to having to contend with, then …
For anyone who doubted the feral nature of the government, last night was a big, loud wake-up call. You seem to think that that is a good thing. I don’t. It sounds to me as though you are whistling past the graveyard. Nothing is beyond these Dems. Nothing. That should not be a comforting position for anyone.
progressoverpeace on November 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM
I don’t know. I’m missing it, too, evidently. I mean, in one sense, yeah, since the guy became a vote for Obamacare, then this was a win for Obamacare, especially if you take the view that it doesn’t matter what you say or how you lie to get elected.
But it certainly can’t be read as a victory for public support of Obamacare.
notropis on November 8, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Owens had the help, and support of Dems…and I have no doubts that Soros, and his move on group had a lot of arm bending going on. Which goes to show…..the Dems work for Soros, not their constituents. Owens is like most liberals..a flat out liar. Obama ran on the pretense that he was a center right person, and people believed it. Owens did the same thing, and people fell for it. It’s very simple. In his campaign, he was against this crap. As the politician elected to office….he’s for it. That makes him, flat out, without a doubt…A LIAR!!!
capejasmine on November 8, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Owens ran on definitely opposing a national Fannie Med “public option”. He moderated his view of this very quietly, just before Scuzzball dropped out, but all the public ever heard was that he was dead-set against it and would oppose all legislation with a Fannie Med in it. None of the press saw fit to point this out when the Traitor-in-Chief and the rst of the dems were claiming that he won because he supported a Fannie Med, because the press, obviously, is as insane, dishonest and rabid as the animals in Congress and the America-haters in the White House.
progressoverpeace on November 8, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Folks need to get out and see the USA in their Chevrolet and see what the American people want and not this sociaist crap being forced down our throats. Its time to rebell!
bluegrass on November 8, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Sadly, you may have to change the brand. Chevrolet is now socialist crap….
notropis on November 8, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Kucinich voted Nay. If the bill had really been in danger, he would have voted Yea.
txmomof6 on November 8, 2009 at 12:07 PM
True. He was allowed this vote to protest the abortion amendment.
Also Stephanie Herseth-Sandelin, of SD was allowed to vote “no,” because otherwise she would have been a guaranteed loser in 2010. She’s already vulnerable from her support for Porkulus, but will probably be able to weather that, given her straight-A NRA rating, and some other window dressing she’s allowed to keep to placate the SD conservative majority.
notropis on November 8, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Instead of Repeal Healthcare, a more popular bumper sticker in 2010 would be Vote Out Incumbents
txmomof6 on November 8, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Sure glad Congress and the President have more important things to do than salvaging a crashed economy and restoring 4 million lost jobs and controlling runaway foreclosures and a 10% unemployment rate and looming inflation when the empty fiat dollar’s true worth dawns on the world markets.
Thanks for piling on a more a expensive “Health Care” boondoggle and even greater fiscal problem to a Financial and societal Disaster, you delusional, destructive maniacs.
2010 can’t come soon enough to scub out this reckless scum.
profitsbeard on November 8, 2009 at 12:26 PM
According to Dick Morris, this is how Obama bribed the AMA..
“The American Medical Association (AMA) was facing a 21 percent cut in physicians’ reimbursements under the current law. Obama promised to kill the cut if they backed his bill. The cuts are the fruit of a law requiring annual 5-6 percent reductions in doctor reimbursements for treating Medicare patients. Bravely, each year Congress has rolled the cuts over, suspending them but not repealing them. So each year, the accumulated cuts threaten doctors. By now, they have risen to 21 percent. With this blackmail leverage, Obama compelled the AMA to support his bill…or else!”
Conservalicious on November 8, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Well, this is Pelosi’s moment. She really backed Obama, I think, for just this. She has now officially one-upped Hillary Clinton and gotten her heatlthcare bill to pass.
:)
I can’t stand her, but credit where credit is due.
AnninCA on November 8, 2009 at 12:30 PM
It’s time.
either orr on November 8, 2009 at 12:32 PM
American Power tracked back with, “Does Harry Reid Have the Votes on ObamaCare?”:
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/does-harry-reid-have-votes-on-obamacare.html
Donald Douglas on November 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM
getalife.
Del Dolemonte on November 8, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Someone answer me something else – something I think should be our starting point from here on out.
How do we go about determining the conservative bonafides of anyone running as a conservative? How many purportedly sound congressmen, senators and judges turning socialist on us will it take before we do whatever it takes to make them PROVE FIRST that they’re who and what they say they are? Where and how do we start with this on a NATIONWIDE level? If we don’t…well…we’ve already cried far more than the Libs will ever cry over theirs going conservative.
splink on November 8, 2009 at 12:35 PM
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