Is this the high-water mark for ObamaCare?

posted at 9:00 am on November 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The Democrats wheedled, cajoled, begged, and finally abandoned its defense of abortion — truly a watershed moment — in order to get their version of ObamaCare passed … in the House of Representatives, where they enjoy a 75-seat majority.  In the end, they could only muster a five-vote win on Nancy Pelosi’s bill out of that strong majority.  Until this week, most had assumed that any ObamaCare bill would pass the House easily, but that the fight would be in the Senate.

So what does this 220-215 vote tell us?  Capitol Hill Democrats know that this bill is an albatross.  It’s true that Pelosi was able at the end to negotiate votes to allow a few at-risk Democrats that supported the bill to oppose it in the final vote, but even that tells a tale of fear and consciousness of unpopularity.  The razor-thin vote, as well as a number of earlier, more sincere defections, show that this bill was a radical and expensive approach to fix a 13% problem — and even most of the Democrats know it.

Now the focus swings to the Senate, where Harry Reid will have to gain supermajorities at least twice to allow the bill to proceed to a final vote.  That seems unlikely, although not impossible.  The process will slow down considerably from the jam-down Pelosi conducted in the lower chamber, perhaps even to a crawl if Tom Coburn makes good on his threat to have the bill read in its entirety on the Senate floor.  That will leave plenty of time for ObamaCare opponents to find all of the taxes, mandates, and government intrusions that will make it even less popular as it sits in the Senate.  Even before Coburn’s threat, Democrats had pushed expectations for the bill out to late January — which makes the politics of the bill even more fraught for Democrats, at the start of an election year.

Democrats have another problem, even in the House.  The Senate is not considering the Pelosi plan, but one they wrote themselves.  Unless Reid pulls his own bill out of consideration and substitutes Pelosi’s — which is a possibility — that sets up a conference committee and second vote in each chamber, assuming that the Senate passes anything at all.  If that happens, a conference committee will have to meet to produce another bill that would then go for a full floor vote in each chamber.  If abortion funding makes its way back into the bill, or if mandates or taxes increase, or if conscience protections get stripped, then all of the hurdles that Pelosi barely cleared the first time return, and without the ability to amend the bill (conference reports get straight up-or-down votes without amendments in order to have both chambers pass identical legislation for the President to sign.)  That means another shot at a filibuster and a lengthy bill reading in the Senate, and at least a chance to hold Bart Stupak’s pro-life coalition in the House under the spotlight to find out whether they will vote their conscience or bow to Pelosi.

We always thought the fight was in the Senate, so the only real surprise yesterday was how weak Pelosi actually was on ObamaCare.  Our focus now has to shift to those red-state Senators who will have to explain to voters their potential support of a bill that imposes unconstitutional mandates and trillions of dollars in new costs on a government that can’t pay its bills now.  And in this case, we’ll only need two of them to stop the runaway tyranny of the Democratic agenda.


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If it is not going well it is because taxes are not high enough and we do not spend enough on schooling and health care for the poor. Government has numerous faults but no government has more. We need government to redistribute enough wealth so as to give everyone a decent life. Pay up!

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Dream on fools. We are being sold down the river.

It is that simple.

Some details to work out, no big deal.

lsheldon on November 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM

And how is donating to charity going to help? It will never be nearly enough since so many republicans are free riders who refuse to help paying for the poor. The sharing needs to be enforced through the state or too many people will just try to evede their responsibilities. A five year old could figure that one out. People just aren’t generous and caring enough so the few of us who are have to force the rest of you to comply with society’s standards. Now behave and nicely pay your taxes! It is for your own good as well: “As soon as a coin in the [tax] coffer rings / the soul from purgatory springs”.

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 8:08 PM

I really can’t tell if you’re being serious now or if you’re just behaving like an extreme caricature of a leftist to make a point.

Firstly, how do you know that most republicans refuse to help pay for the poor? Do you have any clue at all how much people give to charity? Do you know what they give to their churches, to the United Way, the Red Cross, and thousands of other charity organizations? Did you pull this generalization out of your a$$ or is it based on anything concrete? Do all your Republican friends tell you how much they give to charity? And who are you to decide how much is enough? Is 50% enough? 75%? 100%? At what point does taking the fruits of one’s labor become enslavement? Are you saying you’d like to bring slavery back to America, because that’s what excessive taxation and wealth redistribution does in effect.

“People just aren’t generous and caring enough so the few of us who are have to force the rest of you to comply with society’s standards.”

Reread this statement. Reread it again. One more time, please. Now, really think about it. How do you know that you’re “generous and caring enough?” How much is enough? Do you give ALL of your resources to others? Do you give every penny and every minute you have to helping people? Because if not, I just don’t think that’s enough, and someone needs to make you give MORE.

Your ego is astounding. You really do think you’re a better person than everyone else, and therefore have the right to enforce your sublime will on us. Incredible.

You have to force us to comply? So wait…. if I’m not generous enough, as defined by “society’s standards,” you’re going to what? Force me how? Are you going to take the correct and approved amount of income at the point of a gun? Will you jail or kill me if I try to defend my property? Going to threaten my family? To what lengths will you go to make me comply? Are you STILL not disturbed by your own words? You are directly endorsing totalitarianism here.

Oh, also, what society’s standards are you talking about? The society I thought I lived in values freedom. You must live in that other society, in which case you can’t enforce your standards on me. Haven’t we been told that “enforcing morality” is evil and that different cultures must be respected? Respect my culture of freedom and f*ck off.

Animator Girl on November 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Thanks Rush and Bush for helping us get to where we are now. If it wasn’t for Rush unwilling to hold the GOP accountable because he feared the Dems we would not be here.

It’s amazing how many here praise Rush yet he is as responsible as anyone else for our mess.

True_King on November 8, 2009 at 10:31 AM

You apparently don’t listen to him all that often. He has been brutal with the GOP for years.

Chris_Balsz on November 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Uh, yeah. I was a dittohead for about 10 years, member of Rush 24/7, pretty much worshipped at his feet like most do here. The turning point was his admission after the 2006 election that he supported the GOP only because he feared the Dems and he said the “stakes were too high” for him to do anything but market the GOP. He also said he would stop carrying the GOP’s water, admitting he had done it on their behalf for too long.

It was disgraceful. I trusted the man, I felt by his admission that he was most certainly out of touch with the people who are his audience. Most forgot the matter. I didn’t. I notice he never stopped marketing the GOP. He still does to this day whenever I happen to catch him on the radio.

He became exactly what he claims to rail against; An elitist snob and GOP insider.

What a shame.

True_King on November 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

If it is not going well it is because taxes are not high enough and we do not spend enough on schooling and health care for the poor. Government has numerous faults but no government has more. We need government to redistribute enough wealth so as to give everyone a decent life. Pay up!

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Now I’m certain you’re just pulling our leg. Your comments sound too much like parody. Maybe you need to work on your comedic delivery.

Animator Girl on November 8, 2009 at 8:31 PM

BOHICA!

Dhuka on November 8, 2009 at 8:35 PM

JS’berg…is that you, Limping Fins? Simpleton? Or just another ugly troll under the bridge? Time to feed the alligators…

indypat on November 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

If it is not going well it is because taxes are not high enough and we do not spend enough on schooling and health care for the poor. Government has numerous faults but no government has more. We need government to redistribute enough wealth so as to give everyone a decent life. Pay up!

Okay, I’m convinced that this guy is a conservative acting like a liberal just to get us going.

englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM

What we really need is a Single Payer System – only then can we say that America is truly civilized – everyone getting full health care for free, let is cost what it costs. Sweden can afford it. So can Britain. Just cut down on military expenditure, raise the income tax and enforce heavy duties on alcohol, sugar, tobacco and gasoline. People who make unhealthy choices and thus unduly burdens the system mut pay more through these duties. The government must help the weaker portion of society to live a healthy and fulfilling life. After taht we need socialized housing to make sure we control land use and CO2 emissions. It is much more effective if people live in housing blocks rahter than urban sprawl. We also in the long run need to enfore heavy taxation on cars that not only consume important fuels at an alarming rate but also cost too much resources to build. People msut learn to use public transport for the common good.

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM

I’m convinced that this guy is a conservative acting like a liberal just to get us going.englishqueen01

Recall that the illustrious AG Holder is hiring folks to stir up trouble and spy. If you must feed the trolls, use the hungry alligators. Love your posts, EQ! FREEDOM!

indypat on November 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Okay, I’m convinced that this guy is a conservative acting like a liberal just to get us going.

englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Agreed. It can’t be for real.

JC Silverberg, you are the most unconvincing troll ever.

Animator Girl on November 8, 2009 at 8:54 PM

So now you think that I am a liberal paid by the White House to spy on you? Hmmm I am flattered that you think I am part of some überpowerful goverment conspiracy to control peoples’ lives. Like the Cigarette smoking man or something. Alas I am just a conservative having some fun. But I do like Single Payer. Honestly. Hehe. On the other hand that is exactly what a government spy would say … feeding your paranoia… go for the tinfoil… run repub run…

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 8:56 PM

The people will not forget this when 2010 comes around. Liberals will see the biggest defeat in history.

WyoMike on November 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Alas I am just a conservative having some fun.

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Nah. Just the common dolt.

Saltysam on November 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM

I really can’t tell if you’re being serious now or if you’re just behaving like an extreme caricature of a leftist to make a point.

Animator Girl on November 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

What would that point be? Most of us already know Leftists are idiots, so this guy posting idiotic things about enforcing charity doesn’t really add any new information to what we already know.

venividivici on November 8, 2009 at 9:00 PM

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Do you have a solution to reduce the time that people have to be on a waiting list for “free” medical procedures under universal heath care?

Waiting lists exist in Australia under universal health care.

I would be very interested in your thoughts.

Crux Australis on November 8, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Veni

Yes everyone opposing you must be an idiot, that is why you are hanging out here among your likeminded fellow travelers rather than fighting att HuffPo. Maybe it you who are an idiot and you are too afraid to wander off the reservation in case you meet the slightest resistance? You are pathetic! Go hug your teddy Bush or something. Or better yet, move to Afghanistan, maybe that could make a man of you but I doubt it.

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Can’t wait to see this bill picked apart for voter consideration during an election year! Ahhh… The silence before the storm!

Roy Rogers on November 8, 2009 at 9:11 PM

I don’t know about Australia. Never been there.

Sweden doesn’t have long waiting lists. Not only is medical care free after about $120 per annum – also medicines are free after about $240 per annum. Medicine costs are increasingly subsidized until you reach the cut off at $240 after which they are free.

GP appointment, waiting time 1-3 days. Unscheduled appointment 1-3 hours if you come 9am. Emergency room a few hours up to 12 hours depending on your condition.

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 9:16 PM

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Wow and I thought SimpleSimon was the king of the trolls….I see you won the crown…Congrats!!!

CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Yep to compare Sweden with its 9 million people to the U.S. makes sense.

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Added to the fact they have not near the challenges we have with immigration.

CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 9:21 PM

I live in freshman Congresswoman Kathy Dahlkemper’s district, where we ain’t exactly San Fransisco – much more middle-of-the-road.

I think her “aye” vote makes her a one-term wonder.

bcm4134 on November 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Me too. Dahlkemper is phoney. Her stupid walk and talk in nature town halls were an obvious ploy to keep senior citizens from participating. She got elected based on her name recognition in Erie, and nothing else. English wasn’t much but he was way better than her. She never responded to my emails but then neither did Specter.

Deanna on November 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM

We should meet. I have friends here in HotAir! There is CONSERVATISM IN ERIE!!!!

ProudPalinFan on November 8, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Yes everyone opposing you must be an idiot, that is why you are hanging out here among your likeminded fellow travelers rather than fighting att HuffPo. Maybe it you who are an idiot and you are too afraid to wander off the reservation in case you meet the slightest resistance? You are pathetic! Go hug your teddy Bush or something. Or better yet, move to Afghanistan, maybe that could make a man of you but I doubt it.

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Yeah, everyone opposing me is pretty much an idiot. Just like I used to be when I held those opposing ideas when I was a teenager and in my early 20′s. You really think you’re telling me things I haven’t heard before, buddy?

venividivici on November 8, 2009 at 9:25 PM

I don’t know about Australia. Never been there.

Sweden doesn’t have long waiting lists. Not only is medical care free after about $120 per annum – also medicines are free after about $240 per annum. Medicine costs are increasingly subsidized until you reach the cut off at $240 after which they are free.

GP appointment, waiting time 1-3 days. Unscheduled appointment 1-3 hours if you come 9am. Emergency room a few hours up to 12 hours depending on your condition.

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Ahh yes…Lilly-white Sweden.

The toast of phony American leftist Eurotrash wannabe’s from coast to coast.

ClassicCon on November 8, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Oh, also, what society’s standards are you talking about? The society I thought I lived in values freedom. You must live in that other society, in which case you can’t enforce your standards on me. Haven’t we been told that “enforcing morality” is evil and that different cultures must be respected? Respect my culture of freedom and f*ck off.

Animator Girl on November 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

BRAVO, BRAVO !!!!!!

huckelberry on November 8, 2009 at 9:32 PM

JC interesting that Sweden is draining poor countries to find doctors that will accept its wages. Nice job

http://www.thelocal.se/21768/20090830/

CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 9:33 PM

I should have said draining poor countries of…..doctors

CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 9:33 PM

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM

This troll is worse than AninCa or Ernesto when they were at their peak.

Who sent him, HufPo, Media Matters or Kos?

FireBlogger on November 8, 2009 at 9:36 PM

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM

God I hope that’s sarcasm.

KSgop on November 8, 2009 at 9:48 PM

JC Silverberg on November 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM

What you fail to realize is it’s the Dems in office that are using obots like you. They are scamming you into thinking that it’s the The rich Republicans that are your enemy when in reality the Dems are the ones that have gotten rich scamming the system. Do some investigation and see for yourself. Do you know how much money they will make off cap & trade “green energy”, while you will do their dirty work? There is no middle class in their world. It’s either the very rich/ruling class or the poor, depending on the government for everything.

Like a lamb being led to the slaughter your time will come. Until then go run with the rest of your sheeple. BAAAAAAAAAAAA

redridinghood on November 8, 2009 at 9:52 PM

I am gonna call this “reverse psychology”, but it’s not.

All the unemployed folks that want and were promised “Obamamoney” from his stash, are the ones that should be encouraged to march to DC and ask for OUR money.

They can’t travel to DC? They can be bussed in just like the rest of us. Something tells me these protesters won’t be as polite or somewhat calm as the rest of us that block goverment and hold tea bags in our hands.

ProudPalinFan on November 8, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Yep to compare Sweden with its 9 million people to the U.S. makes sense.

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Added to the fact they have not near the challenges we have with immigration.

CWforFreedom on November 8, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Sweden has a horrible immigration problem. Like all socialist countries, its entitlement system is strained to the point of breaking and its citizens pay the highest taxes in the world. Crime is through the roof there now.

Immigrants are “waging war” against Swedes through robbery

The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed during this past year is part of a “war against the Swedes.” This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant backgrounds when questioned about why they only rob native Swedes, in interviews with Petra Åkesson for her thesis in sociology. “I read a report about young robbers in Stockholm and Malmö and wanted to know why they rob other youths. It usually does not involve a lot of money,” she says. She interviewed boys between 15 and 17 years old, both individually and in groups.

Almost 90% of all robberies reported to the police were committed by gangs, not individuals. “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.” This argument was repeated several times. “Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.” The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you’re robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you’ve succeeded, it simply feels good.” “It’s so easy to rob Swedes, so easy.” “We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to.” The immigrant youth regard the Swedes as stupid and cowardly: “The Swedes don’t do anything, they just give us the stuff. They’re so wimpy.” The young robbers do not plan their crimes: “No, we just see some Swedes that look rich or have nice mobile phones and then we rob them.”

Why do they hate the Swedes so much? “Well, they hate us,” Petra Åkesson reports them as answering. “When a Swede goes shopping, the lady behind the counter gives him the money back into his hand, looks into his eyes and laughs. When we go shopping, she puts the money on the counter and looks the other way.” Åkesson, who is adopted from Sri Lanka and hence does not look like a native Swede, says it was not difficult to get the boys to talk about their crimes. Rather they were bragging

about who had committed the most robberies. Malin Åkerström,a professor in sociology, sees only one solution to the problem: “Jobs for everybody. If this entails a deregulation of the labor market to create more jobs, then we should do so.”

It is interesting to note that these Muslim immigrants state quite openly that they are involved in a “war,” and see participation in crime and harassment of the native population as such. This is completely in line with what I have posited before. The number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or from foreign parents. The phenomenon is not restricted to Sweden. The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations is so extremely high that it is difficult to view these rapes as merely random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. This is happening in most Western European countries, as well as in other non muslim countries such as India. European jails are filling up with Muslims imprisoned for robberies and all kinds of violent crimes, and Muslims bomb European civilians. One can see the mainstream media are struggling to make sense of all of this. That is because they cannot, or do not want to, see the obvious: this is exactly how an invading army would behave: rape, pillage and bombing. If many of the Muslim immigrants see themselves as conquerors in a war, it all makes perfect sense.

Malmö in Sweden, set to become the first Scandinavian city with a Muslim majority within a decade or two, has nine times as many reported robberies per capita as Copenhagen, Denmark. Yet the number one priority for the political class in Sweden during this year’s national election campaign seems to be demonizing neighboring Denmark for “xenophobia” and a “brutal” debate about Muslim immigration. During last years Jihad riots in France, Sweden’s Social Democratic Prime Minister Göran Persson criticised the way the French government handled the unrest in the country. “It feels like a very hard and confrontational approach.” Persson also rejected the idea of more local police as a “first step” in Sweden. “I don’t believe that’s the way we would choose in Sweden. To start sending out signals about strengthening the police is to break with the political line we have chosen to follow,” he said. Meanwhile, as their authorities have largely abandoned their third largest city to creeping anarchy, there is open talk among the native Swedes still remaining in Malmö of forming vigilante groups armed with baseball bats out of concern for their children’s safety. As I argued in another essay: If Arnold Schwarzenegger fails to get re-elected as Governor of California he may like to do a sequel to “Conan the Barbarian.” He could shoot it in Malmö. He will get the extras for free.

What happened to the famous Swedish nanny state, you say? Don’t Swedes pay the highest tax rates in the world? Yes, they do. But tens of billions of kroner, some say several hundred billions, are being spent every year on propping up rapidly growing communities of Muslim immigrants. Sweden has become the entire world’s welfare office, because the political elites have decided that massive Muslim immigration is “good for the economy.” Soon Sweden’s “army” may comprise no more than 5,000 men, five thousand troops to defend a nation more than three times the area of England. Moreover, it may take up to a year to assemble all of them, provided they are not on peacekeeping missions abroad. That Sweden might soon need a little peacekeeping at home seems to escape the establishment. In 2006 the celebrated Swedish welfare state has become the world’s largest pyramid scheme, an Enron with a national flag.

chunderroad on November 8, 2009 at 10:42 PM

You all realize that JC Silverbug and True Klone are trolling tonight? Methinks it is the cretins from LGF, since that site is so boring anymore. They are perfect examples of what happens when mothers’ abuse drugs and alcolhol when pregnant. That or they ran out of batteries for their vibrators.

lovingmyUSA on November 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM

I knew I should have previewed that comment more carefully. Anyway, you get the point. If Sweden is a socialist paradise, sign me up for hell, please.

chunderroad on November 8, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Obama went to Ft Hood to visit the families of the people murdered the other day.

lorien1973 on November 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Can’t do it…for so many reasons, one being the “in secret”. If it’s not about him, then it isn’t.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM

You all realize that JC Silverbug and True Klone are trolling tonight? Methinks it is the cretins from LGF, since that site is so boring anymore.

Charles Johnson is boring? Here I thought the bike pics were just his way of being hip along with his ponytail.

StevefromMKE on November 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM

You all realize that JC Silverbug and True Klone are

trolling tonight? Methinks it is the cretins from LGF, since that site is so boring anymore. They are perfect examples of what happens when mothers’ abuse drugs and alcolhol when pregnant. That or they ran out of batteries for their vibrators.

lovingmyUSA on November 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Rumor has it cj & rainbow trout are auditioning for an episode in “V” Called Losers of the Lizard World. ;)

redridinghood on November 8, 2009 at 11:05 PM

Obama went to Ft Hood to visit the families of the people murdered the other day.

lorien1973 on November 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Can’t do it…for so many reasons, one being the “in secret”. If it’s not about him, then it isn’t.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM

lorien was kidding, he was being sarcastic when he sid OBAMA went to Ft Hood. Obama went to Camp David to “relax”…

lovingmyUSA on November 8, 2009 at 11:19 PM

StevefromMKE and redridinghood–you guys cracked me up! :~)

lovingmyUSA on November 8, 2009 at 11:23 PM

lovingmyUSA on November 8, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Enjoy!

http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/11/08/sunday-funnies-59/#more-30266

redridinghood on November 8, 2009 at 11:35 PM

“Gatekeepers” are now the new term for death squads. “Gatekeepers” who are non-medical people, maybe the boy down the street that bags your groceries or the clerk that couldn’t make change for a dollar, will make decisions for seniors as to whether they can see a doctor or not. If that’s not bad enough, I wonder at what age the Government has decided to start calling us seniors? Some discounts for seniors start at age 55. Will that be the age? Good bye Baby Boomers! Hell, there was too many of us anyhow! Just make sure you spend all your money before they kill you, I’m sorry, I mean do the “compassionate” thing and put you out of your misery.

Hobbes on November 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM

redridinghood on November 8, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Thanks, I love Flopping Aces, but haven’t been there in a while!

lovingmyUSA on November 9, 2009 at 12:02 AM

Uh, yeah. I was a dittohead for about 10 years, member of Rush 24/7, pretty much worshipped at his feet like most do here. The turning point was his admission after the 2006 election that he supported the GOP only because he feared the Dems and he said the “stakes were too high” for him to do anything but market the GOP. He also said he would stop carrying the GOP’s water, admitting he had done it on their behalf for too long.

It was disgraceful. I trusted the man, I felt by his admission that he was most certainly out of touch with the people who are his audience. Most forgot the matter. I didn’t. I notice he never stopped marketing the GOP. He still does to this day whenever I happen to catch him on the radio.

He became exactly what he claims to rail against; An elitist snob and GOP insider.

What a shame.

True_King on November 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Did you know there isn’t much worse in life than hearing the whine of the runtiest of beta males? Oh, you didn’t? I didn’t think you did…

How closely related are you to David Frum, anyways?

Bizarro No. 1 on November 9, 2009 at 12:04 AM

All the unemployed folks that want and were promised “Obamamoney” from his stash, are the ones that should be encouraged to march to DC and ask for OUR money.

They can’t travel to DC? They can be bussed in just like the rest of us. Something tells me these protesters won’t be as polite or somewhat calm as the rest of us that block goverment and hold tea bags in our hands.

ProudPalinFan on November 8, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Exactly what we have to fear. It isn’t going to be pretty when the ones that were sold a crummy bill of goods last election realize they’ve been had.

fullogas on November 9, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Hobbes on November 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM

There is a graph out there from Rahm Emmanuel’s brother. You have until 58, then you are killed off.

daesleeper on November 9, 2009 at 12:08 AM

On the random aside, we already have very heavy tariffs on sugar. It’s part of the reason everything is sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup. Nasty stuff that.

Now if you were talking about canning the corn subsidies and the sugar import tariffs, that I could get behind.

Voyager on November 9, 2009 at 2:53 AM

PREDICTION:

The “way-smarter-than-you” types in Washington will be mystified when they discover that all hiring in the U.S. stopped on November 7, 2009.

What US employer in his right mind would take on additional employees when he is being threatened with new health care taxes and penalties which will cost him a minimum of an extra 13% of his payroll (more if he doesn’t currently provide health care)??

The domestic hiring freeze will last until Congress wises up and kills this stupidly-conceived “health care bill”. Even after they kill it, it will take a massive publicity campaign to convince employers that Congress has seen the error of its ways and will never, never try to tax the hell out of employers again. Congress will also have to publicly cancel “Cap and Tax” and repeal Porkulus in order to convince businesses that it is sane to hire employees again.

If the hiring freeze lasts more than a few months, a huge underground economy will be created to take the place of the economy which the Obamacrats killed.

landlines on November 9, 2009 at 3:02 AM

We are experiencing strong gains in productivity which, as we found even in the higher-growth Bush recovery years, do not immediately translate into more hiring.
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Duh! “Productivity growth” is just another way of saying businesses have found ways to get more production from each employee, which enables them to postpone recalling laid-off workers or creating new positions. It is the basic ingenuity of capitalism to extract the maximum value from your current assets.
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The disincentives associated with taking on more employees when the feds speak of new benefit mandates only inspire even greater ingenuity to avoid the risks.
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Voyager ~ I’m all for getting the government out of the business of subsidizing and/or taxing commodities. It always ends up as a political payoff, without exception, with the consumer and taxpayer as the involuntary payee.
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Adjoran on November 9, 2009 at 3:12 AM

Uh, yeah. I was a dittohead for about 10 years, member of Rush 24/7, pretty much worshipped at his feet like most do here. The turning point was his admission after the 2006 election that he supported the GOP only because he feared the Dems and he said the “stakes were too high” for him to do anything but market the GOP. He also said he would stop carrying the GOP’s water, admitting he had done it on their behalf for too long.
It was disgraceful. I trusted the man, I felt by his admission that he was most certainly out of touch with the people who are his audience. Most forgot the matter. I didn’t. I notice he never stopped marketing the GOP. He still does to this day whenever I happen to catch him on the radio.
He became exactly what he claims to rail against; An elitist snob and GOP insider.
What a shame.
True_King on November 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

He has been brutal on the GOP for several years. That 2006 speech was the start of it. I don’t think he had any of the 2008 nominees on his show, certainly not McCain, and not after the nomination. He has more loyalty to the GOP brand than I do, but he’s been opposed to their moves to the left.

I don’t see how a guy who talks constantly about “taking the GOP back” is an insider. Or really how he’s responsible for the development of a party attitude he condemns.

Chris_Balsz on November 9, 2009 at 6:49 AM

I’m not a regular Rush listener, I can listen to him for about 20-30 mins or so then it’s on to something else, and that’s about once a week or month, but there’s NO way the guy is an elitist or GOP insider or snob.

For one he likes Palin. Can’t be an elitist and like her, you just can’t.

He is mostly spot on regarding Obama – which is why the admin is so terrified of him.
He’s not my fav guy but he’s no GOP insider or elitist snob.

B Man on November 9, 2009 at 8:00 AM

wake up people, we’re Venezuela now. The hierarchy is in place and it’s not going anywhere.

I doubt that even 2010 can change anything because all President Camacho’s gotta do is make the millions of illegal aliens citizens and then it’s easy street for him.
Hugo Chavez did the same thing before one of his eariler re-election campaigns.

The government’s not going anywhere. It’s in place now and it’s hear to stay.

Just pray that there will be enough sunglasses for everyone so who wish to can see the truth soon.

Pcoop on November 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM

to fix a 13% problem

Let’s not give credence to the Democratic demagoguery by repeating it. The number of involuntarily uninsured Americans (key words: involuntarily and Americans) is far less than 13%, and the number shrinks even more when you remove short-term unemployed people (do we really need to spend over a trillion dollars to insure people who will be getting insurance of their own in the next 2-3 months?).

The only reason why there is a growing number of people without health insurance is the still-increasing unemployment rate. Perhaps, then, the focus should be on fixing that problem.

Selkirk on November 9, 2009 at 8:29 AM

I’m a little late to enjoy our newest troll’s rantings. I will say this. Anyone who uses the phrase “per anum”, like our good troll friend JC, is automatically relegated to douche status in my book.

Carry on.

angryed on November 9, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Selkirk on November 9, 2009 at 8:29 AM

And it’s even more compounded than that. Say I have insurance on Jan 1. I lose my job on Jan 2. I get a new job on Jan 4. I went Jan 2 – 4 without health insurance. Guess what? I’m part of the 47 million with “NO HEALTH INSURANCE”. And so is my wife and so is my kids. Boom, 3 people withoutinsurance because we went 24 hours without it.

That’s how the number is counted. Anyone who goes for any period of time in a given year without insurance is deemed insuranceless. Doesn’t matter if it’s for a day or for 349.9 days of the year.

And my example is a sort of true story. I quit my job on a Friday, started a new one on Monday. I went without insurance for the weekend. And how many people do that every year? Or college students who go for a few weeks without insurance between the time they graduate and lose their parents’ coverage and start their first job with insurance?

When you break it down to the number of people who want and cannot afford insurance for more than 30 days, I don’t know if the number is even 10 million.

angryed on November 9, 2009 at 8:51 AM

On this anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, which, note well that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi *aren’t* attending, here’s hoping that bloody Saturday is in fact the high water mark. We need to take a page from Walesa’s Solidarnosc and other movements that led to the great triumph of 20 years ago.

Healthcare reform is just a mask covering a fever-pitched move toward a totalitarian regime in spite of our Constitution. We cannot rely on the Supreme Court to get this matter right, even though perhaps they would be another effective last line of defense. More people have to mobilize against this tyranny! No, this isn’t a call to arms, but it is a call to feet. 1.7M people on 9/12 evidently didn’t lend enough feet to get the message across to our leaders. When the Pope got involved with Walesa in the 1980s and it became clear that 3+M people had prayed and sent help to Solidarnosc, only then did Russia, helmed by linguini-spined Gorbachev, start caving.

That 3+M number is roughly equal to 10% of Poland’s population. The most favorable estimates on the 9/12 tea party equal just 0.6% of our population. No wonder they didn’t listen!!! There’s a problem there, folks. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi may be a whole bunch of things, but weak in willingness to use (and abuse) their power is not one of them, I’m afraid… unlike Gorbachev.

We need an overwhelming voter revolution 51 weeks from now to cripple this Tyranny in the House and give us breathing room in the Senate. Nevada, you have to send Harry Reid a clear welcome home signal. Red Staters, you have to either compel your Democratic senators to change their thinking and switch sides, or dump them next November, even if they’ve been good to you. Their choosing to caucus with a philosophically bankrupt party is reason enough to vote against them.

To save ourselves until then, we need ever-increasing numbers descending upon DC. 1.7M won’t cut it. I know I am one to talk; I haven’t gone yet. Saturday was my tipping point, though. If another 9/12-like event gets organized, chances are I’ll be getting onto I-95 and taking a car full of friends with me. Ideally, it will be coordinated across the country like the last one, and all of our city centers will get overwhelmed. Here’s hoping that, across all events, 10M show up next time.

flutejpl on November 9, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Recall that the illustrious AG Holder is hiring folks to stir up trouble and spy. If you must feed the trolls, use the hungry alligators. Love your posts, EQ! FREEDOM!

Thank you.

If I had the money, I would run for office. Probably against our senators – Feingold and Kohl. I can guarantee you I wouldn’t vote for legislation like this.

It’s time politics was returned to the hands of the common folk. You know, I’m studying to be a teacher and have to present a lesson on To Kill a Mockingbird, in re-reading it, I realized that well into the 20th century, politicians did not “do” politics as a full time job in most cases. It was part-time work and they had other jobs outside the halls of government.

I think it’s time we returned to that system. I guarantee you if the Pelosi’s of the world had to make their actual living competing in the free market, they 1) wouldn’t have all this extra time to figure out how to control our lives and 2) wouldn’t be socialists.

Just a suggestion.

englishqueen01 on November 9, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Pelosi shouted “Allahu Akbar” when the voting finished.

Cybergeezer on November 9, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Pelosi shouted “Allahu Akbar” when the voting finished.

Heh. The only thing tolerable in Islam is that they don’t believe in abortion, either, so Pelosi’s just as likely to invoke Allah as I am to be the actual queen of England.

Also, I am a recovering liberal. So I know all the stupid talking points and arguments. I can tell you that, for a fact, they are not based in rational, logical thought. It’s 100% pure emotion, with a dash of moral relativism thrown in.

englishqueen01 on November 9, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Oh, and some more news to help dispel any cases of “the Mondays”. From the AP (yes, the AP!), via Newsbusters: (emphasis mine)

The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.”

The problem is that the Senate won’t run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.

If a government plan is part of the deal, “as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote,” said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.

Democrats did not line up to challenge him. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.

Yipeee!!!! Sen. Lieberman has really started to earn my respect. Dems threw him under the bus over the war in Iraq; isn’t payback sweet?

KILL THE BILL! KILL THE BILL! KILL THE BILL!

englishqueen01 on November 9, 2009 at 9:55 AM

I don’t think that Harry Reid will be a US Senator in 15 months.

molonlabe28 on November 9, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Joe Lieberman is from Connecticut, where as many as 500,000 jobs depend on the insurance business. He can see exactly what this House bill will produce – another Fannie Mae that will underprice private providers, take over their markets, and run them out of business.

This is not going to end up with a single-payer government-run health care system; it will end up with the insurance system collapsing just like the financial system did in 2008, with another trillion dollars in bailouts of the insurance companies and bankruptcy of the public plan.

rockmom on November 9, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Rosa DeLauro
Phone: 202-225-3661
Fax: 202-225-4890

Wouldn’t it be interesting to call this Pro-abortion Congresswoman and ask her why she voted for HR 3269 when it goes against pro-choice ideology. Talk about selling women down the river.

bloggless on November 9, 2009 at 10:52 AM

these people disgust me. we need a list of all of these criminals that voted for this bill so they can be voted out.

workingforpigs on November 9, 2009 at 12:20 PM

There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants,” Obama said. “This, too, is false — the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.

Obama said thie prior to joe wilson’s “you lie” comment. Sooooo,???

marklmail on November 9, 2009 at 2:51 PM

High water mark indeed!

Is that like when a clogged toilet overflows to a certain point, then starts to recede?

Solution: let’s all keep plunging until it all goes away, like bad nightmare!!!

Sweet_Thang on November 9, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Can 1 Senator truly hold this bill up forever?

Jerricho68 on November 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM

He became exactly what he claims to rail against; An elitist snob and GOP insider.

What a shame.

True_King on November 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Another liberal troll.

Next time repeat this phrase a thousand times a day: “I was a liberal until 10 months of Obama’s failed policies with 2 trillion more debt, DOUBLED unemployment rate, jailing those who don’t buy Gov’t MANDATED health insurance (the politburo have their own, thank you very much), more homeland terrorist attacks as Obama does nothing, OUR ELECTED president ATTACKS the only media outlet who wants him accountable as the rest of the lamestream suck up, MORE of the world hate the US, Russia, Iran and China spit in our faces, the democrats have destroyed the only freedom loving country in the world for communism.

dthorny on November 9, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Would like to ask the ‘bleeding hearts’, how many of them would borrow buckets of their own money to give to the poor if it meant ruin?

Starlink on November 9, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Funny how the libs attack the conservatives as non-caring when it’s the LIBS WHO DO NOT GIVE SQUAT TO THE POOR.

Obama’s tax returns:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/03/obama-releases.html

A true bastion of giving he is. What happened to HIS REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH?

Compare to Dick Cheney: The Cheneys donated $321,141 to charity in 2003.

dthorny on November 9, 2009 at 6:37 PM

What is a single payer system? Is that where master pays for everything?

Jerricho68 on November 10, 2009 at 1:11 AM

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