Open thread: PelosiCare vote coming tonight; Update: 35 Dems oppose? Update: Stupak amendment passes; Update: Bill passes, 220-215, one GOPer votes yes
posted at 5:45 pm on November 7, 2009 by Allahpundit
Twitter’s hopping with rumors about vote-wrangling and backroom deals so I figured you guys could use a thread to exchange information. Just within the past half hour, Politico’s heard whispers from the Democratic leadership that they’ve reached 218. Debate on Stupak’s amendment to strip abortion funding from the bill is coming up, followed by a vote on that and then — sometime between nine and eleven p.m. — the big vote on PelosiCare itself. If you’re watching this all play out on C-SPAN (either on TV or online), keep your eye on Republicans demanding a promise from Pelosi that if Stupak’s amendment passes, it won’t later be dropped in the conference committee with the Senate. The Democrats have been coy about that thus far.
Updates will appear below as warranted. In the meantime, here’s Paul Ryan trying to rally the troops, apparently to no avail. Exit question via Karl: Should the GOP vote “present” on Stupak’s amendment instead of voting for it? Think strategically.
Update: The office of the GOP whip says 33 Democrats will vote no. 41 is the magic number.
Update: If you’re looking for reasons to hope, remember that Pelosi also thought she had 218 when TARP first came to the House floor for a vote last year. That went down in flames, only to be resuscitated a week later.
Update: Here’s a fun thought: What if the bill passes 218-217 … and Bill Owens casts the deciding vote? Dude.
Update: Locker-room pep talk, Obama style:
In listing their legislation they have passed to this point, the president told them, “You did this without any help from the other side,” complaining Republicans have been “saying ‘no,’ stopping progress, gumming up the works was their preferred strategy.”
“Are we going to stop now, or push forward?” Obama asked.
“Push forward,” a dozen or so Democrats shouted back.
“I’m absolutely confident we’ll get this thing done,” Obama told the group. “And when I’m in the Rose Garden signing a piece of legislation to give health care to all Americans, we’ll look back and say that was our finest moment.”
Update: Cantor says there are 35 Democratic no’s. It’ll be razor thin.
Update: At 10 p.m. ET, the vote on Stupak’s anti-abortion amendment is finally on. Stand by. As I write this, it’s 73/90 against passage.
Update: The vote on the amendment is 236/190 as I write this, which is bad news. Not only is there no guarantee that the amendment will survive the conference committee with the Senate (or a Supreme Court challenge, natch), but this gives pro-life Blue Dogs the cover they need to vote for the final bill. It’s going to pass. Sigh.
Update: A smart minority party would have voted present and made the Dems choke on it. Alas, this is our minority party:
“We believe in the sanctity of life, and the Stupak-Pitts Amendment addresses a moral issue of the utmost concern. It will limit abortion in the United States. Because of this, while we strongly and deeply oppose the underlying bill, we decided to stand with Life and support Stupak-Pitts.
“The danger of this bill passing without critical pro-life language was too great a risk to do otherwise. Indeed, a number of Democrat supporters of Stupak-Pitts had privately indicated to many of our colleagues that all they needed for “cover” was a vote, and they would support final passage even if the amendment failed.
“To be clear, the Stupak-Pitts Amendment’s passage is the right thing to do. We believe you just don’t play politics with life.
“When this bill is conferenced with the Senate, the pro-life majority in the House of Representatives must ensure that this important amendment is in the final legislation. If it does not, this same strong majority must defeat the bill.”
Update: It’s 10:45 ET and it looks like the final vote is coming within the next 15 minutes. I held out hope this morning that we might get a humpbot cameo tonight, but it looks like we’re in for an appearance by the melting bunny of death instead. Heart-ache.
Update: My prediction for the final vote, as of 10:52: 224-211.
Update: It was closer than I thought: 220-215, 39 Dems voting no and a solitary Republican — Joe Cao, who replaced “Dollar Bill” Jefferson in a blue district in Louisiana — voting yes. Take heart, righties: Reid is incompetent, which makes the likelihood of 60 votes in the Senate, especially after a vote this narrow, very slim indeed.
But for now, we grieve.
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So, I went to Mike Arcuri’s (NY-24) website to see what he had scheduled for the Thanksgiving break and his schedule lists all of the “townhall” meetings in August that were not posted when they would have been relevant – in August. How ballsy is that?
Good thoughts Lox, on sending a copy of my note to Hanna.
piglet on November 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM
Bleeds Blue, how do you think this will impact the 2010 and 2012 elections? There is a golden rule, and we all know it – and for you, unfortunately, well lets just say that I would brace yourself for a bitter, brutal, Republican Agenda. The American public is instilled with a palpable rage that I hope they can contain to only an election. Your short sighted view of this issue is the same short sighted view that Democrats in office have – they may have appeased a weak, lazy, poor, minority section of society for a few months, but their hands are greedy. The reprieve Democrats are afforded by this shame of a bill will be used up and digested long before election time. 2010 & 2012 is a long way away, and in comparison to the short memory of the American public….it’s basically an eternity. This bill is designed to coddle the weak, the ones that can’t support their own lives, to create a mother government to rub your back when your are feeling all poopy faced….hold your hand, make you feel warm….here, here is some hot cocoa for your fat lazy liberal ego….
Will this bill lower premiums…no, but let’s say it does…at what cost, EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE. I can answer this for you, because while I intended on being productive before watching football today, instead I am penning a letter to several employees who no longer can be afforded within my company. Healthcare legislation = higher taxes on business + stifled job creation + higher costs for consumers. Remember that.
Fishy.Gov on November 8, 2009 at 8:15 AM
FULL COURT PRESS!! WE MUST KILL THE BILL IN THE SENATE……PULL OUT ALL THE STOPS…Rally all Americans to protest this bill…….bus, train, plain or on foot..Million Manchurian candidate march….start recruiting NOW
justonevictory on November 8, 2009 at 8:15 AM
A guy on Fox just said it was SNL on the House floor. I hope a lot of citizens were watching!
donh525 on November 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM
Fools.
I can understand how liberals believe
health care is a righthealth insurance is a requirement, but why can’t they understand that PelosiCare will hurt the poor and middle class, allow government to come in between patients and their doctors leaving their medical decisions in the hands of bureaucrats, stifle competition, increase costs on premiums and costs of care, kill R&D and odder still, after all their complaining about FISA and the Patriot Act, they have been cheer-leading the health care version of it. They just handed Washington bureaucrats their most private, personal records, which will be made available to the Attorney General upon request, willingly!And after all the all pro-choice types’ insisting the government stay out of their uteri, they sure don’t mind allowing the government full, unfettered access to their bodies now. Weird!
Rae on November 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM
That was good. Perriello (D-VA 5) is a toss-up district. This vote and the unemployment rate should move it to leaning Republican. Of course, you have like 6 announced Republicans running against him, with maybe more on the way:
http://reesforcongress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=148137788427#/group.php?gid=148137788427&v=wall
http://www.kenboydforcongress.com/
http://vergaforcongress.com/
http://www.roberthurt.org/
http://www.ronferrinforcongress.org/Ron_Ferrin_For_Congress.html
You might want to look these people up.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM
What are they supposed to do? This bill sucks, but in the House a simple majority wins every time. The fact of the matter is that Dem have a 40 delegate advantage. If the Dems want to pass something in the House, they can.
Initially the vote was supposed to be at 12, then 3pm. Because of the GOP it was pushed to midnight. That’s the extent of their power. The worst part is, the House will remain in their hands. 2010 will be a great year for us, but a 40 seat swing hasn’t happened in decades.
Take heart though. The Dems won in the House by 50.5%. Yeah, that number isn’t entirely correct, because NanNan let Blue Dogs vote no. But either way, the point is, in the senate you need 60% for cloture. And Reid doesn’t have the balls or the skills of Nan Nan.
Trent1289 on November 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM
No wonder I woke up feeling sick this morning. At least the Representative for my congressional district, though a Dem, voted no.
redslippers on November 8, 2009 at 8:21 AM
I wonder if Bleeds Blue, Grow Fins, etc realize this will hurt them the most. They seem like middle class types. And middle class is always the worst hit by Dems schemes. The poor pay no taxes, they will continue paying no taxes. The rich will just move more of their money offshore.
So who is left paying for this monstrosity? Average Joes and Janes making $50k, 60K, $100K a year. And they are also the ones who will see health care suffer. The poor get everything for free as it is. They will keep getting it for free. The rich can go offshore and get services done ASAP if need be. Which once again leaves the middle class with a more costly and yet worse health system.
If these people would only take a few hours away from the Kos kool aid they would probably figure things out.
Personally I am lucky enough to be in the almost-rich category. I have the means and options to move. I will be leaving soon enough. And with a little money health care is as good anywhere in the world as it is in the US.
I do weep for this once great nation though. I knew the end was coming. I didn’t think it would be in less than a year.
angryed on November 8, 2009 at 8:21 AM
That was good. Perriello (D-VA 5) is a toss-up district. This vote and the unemployment rate should move it to leaning Republican. Of course, you have like 6 announced Republicans running against him, with maybe more on the way. You might want to look these people up and contact them.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 8:21 AM
K-Lo of NRO posts this graph from a NYT piece:
onlineanalyst on November 8, 2009 at 8:24 AM
Does PelosiCare add “One Dime” to the deficit? If it does, then the bill is DOA at the President’s desk. He promised. I saw it on t.v. with my own lyin’ eyes.
BigAlSouth on November 8, 2009 at 8:25 AM
I think it will allow us to lose fewer seats than we would have if we’d failed in 2010 and it sets (assuming Senate passage etc.) the stage for Obama’s re-election.
I love this racist, classist part of your rant the most: ” they may have appeased a weak, lazy, poor, minority section of society for a few months….” It suggests that your views are rooted in hate and bitter fear, neither of which is a sound basis for governing; both of which are lovely buttons for demoagogues like Beck and Palin to push.
Along with the AMA, Wal-Mart, major manufacturers and progressives of every income and motivation (including hard-working rich people), I’m pleased that we’ve moved a significant step closer to a rational system of care in the U.S.
I remember back in ’93, when Clinton had the temerity to slightly increase taxes on extremely wealthy individuals, in order to bring the budget closer to balance. Tjheop-ed pages (no blogs then) were filled with vitriolic predictions of economic decline. Of course, what foillowed were years of exopanding prosperity — and those rich folks made a boatload of money, themselves. Your predictions of gloom and failure will propve to be equally irrelevant.
Bleeds Blue on November 8, 2009 at 8:26 AM
I hate this whole system. Its so corrupt! It use to be the greatest but NO MORE! I hate Congress and I hate the President. I am so disillusioned with the lose of my freedom and the higher taxes that will come our way. I am sorry but thy only thing left for us to either take up arms and revolt, or to sit and take it up the ass. F&uck 2010 and 2012 we WON’T survive until then.
Lisa on November 8, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Good. Let’s hope that happens.
Better yet, let’s hope the tens of thousands of Americans who said no to this – like the 73% who said health care needs to go on the backburner in favor of the economy – show up in DC and camp on the National Mall until every last one of these miscreants is voted out of office. Or removed by force.
No. Because it’s all about power. They get off thinking about the ways they can convict us of felonies and throw us in jail.
Funny thing though, remember that the 2nd Amendment is still in effect and gun sales went through the roof last year. If they think we’re going without a fight, they’ve got another surprise waiting in the wings.
I was pessimistic last night, but this morning I’m optimistic that we’ll send these greedy socialist pigs packing and they’ll rue the day they gave the collective finger to the American people.
englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:27 AM
“The middle class has become the true victim class. Rich and poor, it is we who must bail them out.”
–Unknown
Rae on November 8, 2009 at 8:28 AM
Well, I thought it was going to be a good morning….
*sigh*
cmsinaz on November 8, 2009 at 8:28 AM
This says it best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b32sGcwStIE
NC Hoov on November 8, 2009 at 8:28 AM
Yes, as in “no care for you!”
That, sweetie, is a RATIONED system.
englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:28 AM
Dear trolls: I have a slogan for Obama 2012:
Would you like some more Obamalaise with your pork?
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 8:29 AM
Sweetie, this is a RATIONED system.
As in, “No care for you!”
englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:30 AM
While I don’t think all Republican reps did all they could, I have to concede your point especially when you consider how hard it is for a Republican to get face time with the media.
While we are at it, what about the media’s complicity in this fiasco? Shouldn’t we direct a little rage in that direction?
donh525 on November 8, 2009 at 8:31 AM
But the difference is 99.5% of GOPers voted No. In the Senate you can almost guarantee Snowe and Collins on board. Lindsey Graham? McCain? You never know. The Dems have 55 or so guaranteed votes. The other 5….let the bidding begin. How does Ambassador to France sound undecided Blue Dog Senator? What’s that you say, you’d like to be Secretary of Commerce I think we can make that happen. And so on.
angryed on November 8, 2009 at 8:31 AM
A mover.
Caper29 on November 8, 2009 at 8:34 AM
More proof that we need to fire congress in 2010. WTF?
milwife88 on November 8, 2009 at 8:34 AM
BUt even the lowliest troll here realizes that the law doesn’t say only conservatives go to jail who don’t have insurance. Or as they so deluded that think somehow they will be excluded from the law because they were good little solders in the fight to make it happen?
Read your history books trolls. After every revolution that bring in a tyrant, the first to go are the kool-aid drinkers like yourselves.
angryed on November 8, 2009 at 8:35 AM
You’re right. The Senate will be a big problem. At this point, I’m hoping it can be delayed long enough for new and even worse polling numbers for Obama and Congress to come out.
Call, email and Tweet your Senators, just briefly and politely telling them your view and that you will be watching. No threats or vulgarities. Just the facts.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 8:35 AM
Bleeds Blue.
While the word ‘minority’ may be defined as ‘black person’ in the liberal dictionary, I actually used it in its classical definition as in ‘the smaller of two groups’. It was predictable, you being a feable minded liberal who resorts to your faith in owning Victicrat status. I have a question for you, how brain washed are you that whenever you see the word minority, you immediately resort to your defensive nature of calling any opposition a racist.
You are like a puppet, I say minority, you say racist. I say conservative, you say racist… I say take your blind fold off, you say ‘no, this welfare is starting to feel good’.
Fishy.Gov on November 8, 2009 at 8:36 AM
What’s funny about liberals supporting government-run health care is this:
The spoiled baby boomer hippies (libs) are going to be some of the first to receive this “care” as they age. Those of us that are slightly younger get to watch as they drool and mess their pants in public because they didn’t get the drug or device to prevent such embarassment.
Then, their ultra-cool, educated and enlightened persona will be all gone. And, I will be the first to point and laugh.
13Girl on November 8, 2009 at 8:36 AM
Betrayal of America
WordsMatter on November 8, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Good morning all
This monstrosity only passed by 5 votes. Have to work on the Senate. They are a lot more cautious. This bill will cost 3 trillion, not 1 trillion.
elclynn on November 8, 2009 at 8:39 AM
The mood of the country has shifted. This is going to cost a lot of blue seats if it passes. If this goes through it will be a pyrrhic victory.
I love this racist, classist part of your rant the most: ” they may have appeased a weak, lazy, poor, minority section of society for a few months….” It suggests that your views are rooted in hate and bitter fear, neither of which is a sound basis for governing; both of which are lovely buttons for demoagogues like Beck and Palin to push.
Gatsu on November 8, 2009 at 8:39 AM
Yeah, they do. The Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons, and other grievance mongers will be out in force making sure that none of their constituents go to jail for failing to pay up. All it takes is a quick Google search and you’ll find that you can dig up lots of information on people via Google. Including their political leanings.
So you find them, throw them in jail, and suddenly the provisions that felons can’t vote or own firearms (which liberals hate when the felons are part of their voting blocs) won’t apply to conservatives.
englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:39 AM
I’m going to get on the line with Feingold and Kohl. Not sure it will do any good. I will let them know how I feel about them if they vote for this piece of crap.
With regards to NY-23 it’s a sad day when a congressman comes out with the president and stated his whole campaign was a lie. Pretty soon I don’t think that the people will be able to trust those that run because you won’t know if they are lying or not. So We the People lose with this corrupt system.
I’m going to do what I can to kill this but I don’t have much hope. I think the dems are going to nuke this and there is nothing that anybody can do. If this gets signed by zero we will be in a world of hurt.
Brat4life on November 8, 2009 at 8:40 AM
What’s funny about liberals supporting government-run health care is this:
The spoiled baby boomer hippies (libs) are going to be some of the first to receive this “care” as they age. Those of
I had the same thought about this. ObamaCare will be such a disaster that the younger generation will be in horror watching their parents wither away in govt run hospitals. And 10-15 years from now we collectively to get rid of it and run, not walk away from govt run care.
angryed on November 8, 2009 at 8:40 AM
Lox, I won’t waste my breath on my two senators, ( Durbin and Burris ) but I’ll write my local paper and support conservative causes until I’m broke, or, as suggested above, move.
donh525 on November 8, 2009 at 8:41 AM
Brat4life: Did I find a fellow Wisconsinite here?
I’m going to call them too. I don’t care what it takes, but we WILL strip them of their senate seats if they vote for this mess.
Feingold has expressed apprehension about cap-and-trade and its effects on Wisconsin’s economy. Play from that angle, tell him Obamacare will be no different.
englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:41 AM
Mr. BleedsBlue: What part of these provisions in the just-passed bill do you not find “racist and classist”?
These summaries were gleaned by Betsy McCaughey in her wsj online commentary about what is wrong with the Pelosi bill. These provisions are top-down mandates for redistribution of wealth and tax dollars, providing non-accountable payoffs to people who do not even pay into the system.
onlineanalyst on November 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM
Thats enough when OUR government runs US. It was clear the people did not want this. hmmm, what will Hillary run on now? By the way, where is she? Why is she never on any shows? hmmm. Another powerful woman misusing said power in the wings some place.
johnnyU on November 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM
Let Pelosi and her ilk cheer as much as they want.
Because November 2010 is less than 357 days away, and they might not be cheering as loudly, especially when We The People will finally get our say in the matter!
pilamaye on November 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM
So, basically, no more white people will get funding to go to medical school.
Nope, no racism there.
englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:43 AM
I haven’t seen Pelosi this happy since she made Bush sign off on that 900 Billion before he left. Or was it 999.95. Cant say trillion in those days.
johnnyU on November 8, 2009 at 8:44 AM
englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 8:41 AM
Yes you did. We live out of state though so I can’t get out and try to kick them out. I can only call, fax, and email. I’m not sure who’s going to run against them. I watching for it and having my family keep me posted on who’s running. I want these 2 gone. I don’t think it’s going to happen but it would be nice to lose one of them to a consertive.
Brat4life on November 8, 2009 at 8:44 AM
UGH….can this be taken to SCOTUS?
cmsinaz on November 8, 2009 at 8:45 AM
Memo to Congressman Brad Ellsworth, of the Indiana 8th District:
You sir will not become the sole focus of all the anger and resentment of this bill that I, for one, can direct your way. Everything wrong with the entire Democrat Party and its handling of the nations important issues, is now embodied in your personal presence in DC. It is now all about you, in a way you will not enjoy come November 2010. As of now all of my political energy is focused on the single goal of your defeat, as well as that of as many people as I can influence. And I plan to increase that influence if I have to buy the damned votes like your side does. The “Bloddy 8th” will live up to its name.
MikeA on November 8, 2009 at 8:45 AM
scratch that…SCOTUS won’t be able to do anything
cmsinaz on November 8, 2009 at 8:47 AM
We might as well face it, these traitors are never going to stop. They don’t care what the people think, it’s not their agenda. They want to level this country so the whole world is equal, or some such crap. Obama doesn’t care about unemployment or the economy, it’s his plan to wreck the nation. All you who support him are useful idiots to him. Dumbshits!!!
gina4 on November 8, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Well, we don’t have the money to pay for this, so we’re borrowing it; now just who are we becoming servant too? And are our lenders benevolent or malignant?
We are being stripped of our weapons of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Death awaits our Republic.
jimmy2shoes on November 8, 2009 at 8:49 AM
The country is being run by people with the intelligence of college students with art majors. Pathetic.
Itchee Dryback on November 8, 2009 at 8:49 AM
Would you liberal morons like to see what your dear friends over at Democratic Underground are saying about this newfound love of Pelosi and the Government? :
For the typically informed
Feel better now simple-bleeds-without-brains?
Rovin on November 8, 2009 at 8:50 AM
I am soo disgusted.
becki51758 on November 8, 2009 at 8:50 AM
I guess the fall back position is 2010. But the damage has been done.
archer52 on November 8, 2009 at 8:50 AM
Pretty soon? That day is already here in regard to many Americans and both major parties.
Basil Fawlty on November 8, 2009 at 8:51 AM
I understand it seems like a waste, but the more negative input they get, the more the word spreads. Call receivers and email readers go out to restaurants and talk, come home and talk to their spouses who talk with their friends, etc.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Unfortunately, my 2 (Stabenow and Levin) don’t care one whit for this state. It’s all about them. As for re-elections, we’re stuck with these two slimeballs for a while as they are not up for re-election until 2012, Stabenow, and 2014, Levin. But that doesn’t mean they won’t be spared my wrath.
blr2449 on November 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM
More accurate.
jimmy2shoes on November 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Aside from the fact that Betsey McCaughey is possibly the least credible critic of health care reform this side of Sarah Palin, I’ve got no problem with any of those. Preferences will be mild at best and the medical profession will continue to be dominated by white folks so dont’t fret.
Boy, you keep long hours. I was up late last night getting something out of the oven and then had a work emergency that brought me back to the computer this morning; this is what I do for a “smoke break” these days. I hope you’re equally busy with something useful or interesting and just doing this for a little fun and venting in between church, a good book or Sunday dinner prep. ‘Cause if your whole life is bitter posts, that would be a little sad.
Sadly, I haven’t time to research Ms. McCaughy’s inaccuracies, but I am certain that there will be aid for white people to go to medical school. That programs might look a little harder at finding qualified minority candidates is fine with me.
Bleeds Blue on November 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Contacting my senators (Jeff Sessions and Richard Shelby) is nothing new for me, I’ve done it for years. I don’t understand why people don’t make their views known on a regular basis. Anyone else here from Alabama please contact them:
http://www.jeffsessions.com/default.aspx
http://shelby.senate.gov/public/
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 8:55 AM
Dear Ted C,
You didn’t vote for me in the past nor will you vote for me in the future. Ergo, I don’t care what you think.
Sincerely,
Tom
simplesimon on November 8, 2009 at 8:55 AM
The bill covers illegals, no? TAXPAYERS PAY IT
The bill has a mandate, no? BY THREAT OF JAIL
WHERE’S THE MEDIA REPORT OF THESE TWO GEMS?
ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!
Like I said, It can’t just be about voting these criminals out in 2010. These people need to be made PARIAHS in their home town NOW. They need to be called out for their betrayal(with pages of the bill in your hands) at restaurants, movies, stores, malls, walking their dogs, WHEREVER. I will get in the face of ANYONE who has stolen my freedom and hard-earned money. Please do the same.
marklmail on November 8, 2009 at 8:57 AM
People keep comparing Obamacare with cap-and-trade, hoping that they will have the same fate in the Senate. They are delluding themselves. There is no way Obamacare is not going to pass in the Senate. This is Obama’s legacy (the one that’s too big to fail) Obama WILL have a health care reform bill to sign, it is naive at best to believe it will not happen. This is the one thing the libs have been having wet dreams about for decades. If we are going to fight this thing it is going to take a lot more than phone calls and tea parties, look how much good tose things did with the house. Don’t make the mistake of assuming that this bill is like any other we have ever seen, don’t take anything for granted, this is not status quo, be very affraid. BUT KEEP FIGHTING NONTHELESS.
neuquenguy on November 8, 2009 at 8:57 AM
Washington Times
This could get interesting. Or at least embaressing for Obama.
Wethal on November 8, 2009 at 8:58 AM
bleeder: the language in the bill re: med school student recruiting uses the words “disadvantaged” youth.
if you live near an urban area, go down on a late Friday/Saturday afternoon to the inner city. the “disadvantaged” youth will be hanging around. I don’t care if these youngsters are black, white or purple, they should not be given an academic ride thru school to be a doctor simply because they are “disadvantaged”. the bill never says anything about the “disadvantaged” youths’ smarts. that is not mentioned at all. intelligence is no longer an issue.
kelley in virginia on November 8, 2009 at 8:58 AM
The crap is that they are elitists that were born to rule. Born in a country that does not subscribe to or support the rich elitist class as other countries do. They only want one thing and that is a defined class structure that puts them as the ruling class as intended by their position in life.
Remember the only thing the distinguishes people in this country is cash on hand. Anyone can by a yacht, plane, mansion or go to any restaurant, resort or anywhere. That simple fact of life really and I do mean really grates against them in a major way. Enough that they desire beyond all else to remake this country into the “proper” class structure.
Also remember that in the twisted mind of a liberal they will all be the rulers over the rest of us. The thing they can not comprehend is that 99% of them are nothing more then useful idiots and servants to their elite masters.
RagTag on November 8, 2009 at 8:58 AM
The great irony of this bill is that there is no better way to ensure mediocre healthcare for all Americans (who participate). Above the theories of private and public sectors is a prevailing demand for the best possible service/product. Do liberals assume that they will have access to the same doctors as I do, with their Uncle Sam Insurance? Do Democrats not see that this legislation is a virtual wedge. A wedge that will divide the poor citizens on one side, with the underqualified, dull, average talent doctors with them – and the brilliant, hard-working, dedicated, passionate, caring doctors with their better paying private insurance paying citizens on the other.
The great irony is the death sentence that this legislation gives the people who suckle liberal nipples, and these sub-humans line up to get it like it’s something great. Anything free I guess….anything free…
Fishy.Gov on November 8, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Have you ever answered the phone all day and gotten inundated with polite but upset people making complaints? Even if it doesn’t change their votes, it can have an impact on their offices.
Loxodonta on November 8, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Your a dolt
gina4 on November 8, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Obama thinks he’s on a roll now. Got his “Making History” email asking me to donate $5 bucks to Organizing For America.
Are his supporters really that stupid?
misslizzi on November 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM
Well, simon finally speaks the truth.
jimmy2shoes on November 8, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Our county is doomed. 3 trillion dollars comes out to over 12,000 per person. Since 50% wont pay a dime – that leaves my family share at $100K. That means just to pay the interest on that debt I will have to pay over $900 PER MONTH to pay for that. Since it will bankrupt me – I will be fined for not being able to afford insurance and wind up in prison and then becoming part of the 50% who get it for free. This is socialism at it’s finest. The people who voted for this bill are bunch of thieves who want to destroy hard working people. My only hope is that it does not survive the supreme court.
triumphus on November 8, 2009 at 9:01 AM
Dude. I live in an urban area. The “disadvantaged” youth hanging on corners are in no danger of entering med school, nursing school or probably graduating high school.
I’m pleased to learn that the language refers to “disadvantaged” folks rather than racial or ethnic classifications, though, because my time in the city and working with rural poor convinces me that there are smart people of every race who are disadvantaged because they are poor, and who will make significant contributions to our society if we tale a little time to hunt them up.
Bleeds Blue on November 8, 2009 at 9:03 AM
simple simon:
you are wrong about Perriello or any other member of Congress. Our tax dollars pay for them to take our opinions into consideration even if they do not like them.
Like what I said to Bleeder above about the “disadvantaged youth” portion of the bill allowing those said individuals preference into medical school.
Perriello obviously wasn’t thinking about the UVA medical school when he voted for this bill. This bill would lower the quality of their student body. Univ of Virginia is in Charlottesville Va which is part of Perriello’s district.
He should have listened to them. And the doctors. and those of us in the 5th who can’t afford to pay more taxes, etc.
kelley in virginia on November 8, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Yes.
beachgirlusa on November 8, 2009 at 9:03 AM
As usual, BO pulls our troops from under the bus, so that he can use them to further his agenda. We know how he really feels about our troops. The man has no shame.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091108/D9BR59EO0.html
bloggless on November 8, 2009 at 9:03 AM
bleeds blue: first, i am not a dude. Second, these youngsters will be recruited thru the GIVE act & given med school preferences. Did you read the GIVE act?
Michael Vick had a disadvantaged youth. he has a college degree. instead of going to jail, he could have gone to med school.
bleeds blue: please read these bills & the “trackbacks” to the reference laws included in them. I have read all this stuff & this all will be allowed.
I think this is scary.
kelley in virginia on November 8, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Our resident trolls are having a field day at our expense. Starve them, Patriots. They bear a striking resemblance to the Present(no ID) sitting and gloating over the coffins at Dover AFB, or leaving our comrades-at-arms twisting in the wind. Think about it…
indypat on November 8, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Thnx gina I couldn’t have put it any better without being crude.
thomasaur on November 8, 2009 at 9:06 AM
This is true, the tragedy is that policies that will keep them poor and disadvantaged are being implemented under the guise of benevolence. It’s nothing more than sweet, syrupy slavery. The glorious phrase “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” has become anathema to our “leaders”. Their motto has become “Peace, Love, and Welfare”.
jimmy2shoes on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM
Will Pelosi care cover disorders caused by Botox leakage into the frontal cortex now that we see what a devastating disorder it actually is?
RepubChica on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM
Well good to know there are some kool-aid drinkers who can think. Too bad the 343s dont fall into that category.
angryed on November 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM
Ok, time to relieve my angst outside spreading mulch. We will have to work on the Senate next. and my Dem Senators Warner & WEbb will be soooooo receptive.
kelley in virginia on November 8, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Hm. Bleeds Blue must be sexist. He/she thought I was a man yesterday, too.
Oh, please. The mantra from the left for years is that no white person could ever be disadvantaged simply because they’re white.
I was up late because I have two children, including a newborn, who needs to be fed. I’m up early because my toddler gets up early. This is just a side hobby; I’m going to spend the day apologizing to them for the crap-tacular turn this nation is taking. One they’ll be working to pay down for the rest of their lives…or at least until Obamacare kills them.
englishqueen01 on November 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?ref=mf#/note.php?note_id=169376258434&ref=mf
Clyde5445 on November 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Once Pelosi care kills off private insurers, we will be left with government death care.
Mmmmm…mmmmmmm…mmmmmmmm…..
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m looking forward to sharing doctors offices with the same scum that have been abusing welfare for 3 generations. And doctors offices will be run like the welfare office. Take a number and get ready to be helped by a snarky dirt bag government employee whose job is safe for eternity.
csdeven on November 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM
I awoke feeling something was wrong. A disturbance in the force…like millions of people screaming “nooooo”.
Then I read what they did.
I can’t believe the audacity, or the tactics. I can’t believe the total disregard for the American peoples will.
I’m sick to my stomach.
When is the march on Washington scheduled for?
Honey, hand me another box of shells.
JoeAvg on November 8, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Wow! A pimplesimon post without the word NASCAR or REDNECK in it. Your just a big smart little boy… yes you are… yes you are.
ronnyraygun on November 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM
There will be two seperate systems. One for us and one for the elites. You can bet on it.
bloggless on November 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Boy, you keep long hours. I was up late last night getting something out of the oven and then had a work emergency that brought me back to the computer this morning; this is what I do for a “smoke break” these days. I hope you’re equally busy with something useful or interesting and just doing this for a little fun and venting in between church, a good book or Sunday dinner prep. ‘Cause if your whole life is bitter posts, that would be a little sad.
Sadly, I haven’t time to research Ms. McCaughy’s inaccuracies, but I am certain that there will be aid for white people to go to medical school. That programs might look a little harder at finding qualified minority candidates is fine with me.
Bleeds Blue on November 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Dude seriously, what planet do you live on? I had the misfortune of having to go into a public run hospital in Atlanta not too long ago. If there were 5 white nurses in the joint I’d be surprised.
And you had a work emergency? Come on. If you’re going to lie, make it somewhat belieavble. Nobody here belives you work.
angryed on November 8, 2009 at 9:16 AM
ya got that right
cmsinaz on November 8, 2009 at 9:18 AM
The sad part is there are so many lemmings and not enough kool-aid to go around—-hence the few who actually read the bill and understand it’s a total disaster. Even a common sense liberal can undertand this. What’s scary is the masses of idiots that fell for this and swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. These are the children following the witch (Pelosi), into the house for some free cookies.
Rovin on November 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM
LOL…that’s exactly how the Dems lost in 1994. Pleeeeeease keep it up.
ddrintn on November 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM
I am going to write a strongly worded letter to my Senators Webb and Warner for my first time in my adult life. No hope with Webb but Warner seems like he would at least listen to my concerns. Hopefully, this monstrosity does not pass the Senate.
Every single man who voted for this bill should be hounded for the rest of his life for this vote. If they can vote for this monstrosity, what else won’t they vote for? Whither these Blue Dogs ? The Dems hope to make us all slaves, both to them and to the insurance industry with their patently unconstitutional “mandates”. They plan to bankrupt the nation. But I will not be part of this plan. No, sir. Even if it is a lost cause. And this is certainly no lost cause.
nyx on November 8, 2009 at 9:22 AM
Holy $hit you libs are stooooopid! You are getting ready to fundamentally change this country’s social makeup and you still think those kids will be left on the street corner?! You’re taking care of their health care, why not give them jobs in the doctors office deciding what health care you get?
And once Obama care starts to cut compensation to doctors, the smartest people will bail from medical school and go to other fields of study. Then the only people willing to be doctors will be the less talented and smart. Of course the liberal universities will dumb down the tests so the dummies can get “A’s”. Those will be your health care providers. Just think of them as glorified Postal employee’s who decide on your care and mhat meds you should get.
Stupid f**king liberals.
csdeven on November 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM
All this talk about 2010 elections.
Too late. The cancer has to be removed now.
Prepare for civil war.
JoeAvg on November 8, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Well of course. Just like the commies treated their serfs. But it will do my heart good to watch Bleeds Blue and the rest of the lib morons suffer in the “peoples” system.
csdeven on November 8, 2009 at 9:25 AM
*shudder*
just wait until they are of medicare age…there won’t be anything left…
cmsinaz on November 8, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Is this a record for the number of comments here?
darwin-t on November 8, 2009 at 9:27 AM
There will be? There already is: one for Congress, the elites, and one for the rest of America. The new proposal that was dealt with in the vote last night and has yet to be taken up in the Senate is that the Democrats think that the one for the rest of America should be worse than the one that currently exists.
Basil Fawlty on November 8, 2009 at 9:27 AM
Bleeds Blue:
Rochester Medical School Class of ’09
“The final class is 55% female and ranges in age from 21 to 35. About 35% of the class is made up of students of African, Hispanic and Asian descent”
Yup, nothing but rich white guys becoming doctors these days.
angryed on November 8, 2009 at 9:27 AM
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