Open thread: PelosiCare vote coming tonight; Update: 35 Dems oppose? Update: Stupak amendment passes; Update: Bill passes, 220-215, one GOPer votes yes

posted at 5:45 pm on November 7, 2009 by Allahpundit

Twitter’s hopping with rumors about vote-wrangling and backroom deals so I figured you guys could use a thread to exchange information. Just within the past half hour, Politico’s heard whispers from the Democratic leadership that they’ve reached 218. Debate on Stupak’s amendment to strip abortion funding from the bill is coming up, followed by a vote on that and then — sometime between nine and eleven p.m. — the big vote on PelosiCare itself. If you’re watching this all play out on C-SPAN (either on TV or online), keep your eye on Republicans demanding a promise from Pelosi that if Stupak’s amendment passes, it won’t later be dropped in the conference committee with the Senate. The Democrats have been coy about that thus far.

Updates will appear below as warranted. In the meantime, here’s Paul Ryan trying to rally the troops, apparently to no avail. Exit question via Karl: Should the GOP vote “present” on Stupak’s amendment instead of voting for it? Think strategically.

Update: The office of the GOP whip says 33 Democrats will vote no. 41 is the magic number.

Update: If you’re looking for reasons to hope, remember that Pelosi also thought she had 218 when TARP first came to the House floor for a vote last year. That went down in flames, only to be resuscitated a week later.

Update: Here’s a fun thought: What if the bill passes 218-217 … and Bill Owens casts the deciding vote? Dude.

Update: Locker-room pep talk, Obama style:

In listing their legislation they have passed to this point, the president told them, “You did this without any help from the other side,” complaining Republicans have been “saying ‘no,’ stopping progress, gumming up the works was their preferred strategy.”

“Are we going to stop now, or push forward?” Obama asked.

“Push forward,” a dozen or so Democrats shouted back.

“I’m absolutely confident we’ll get this thing done,” Obama told the group. “And when I’m in the Rose Garden signing a piece of legislation to give health care to all Americans, we’ll look back and say that was our finest moment.”

Update: Cantor says there are 35 Democratic no’s. It’ll be razor thin.

Update: At 10 p.m. ET, the vote on Stupak’s anti-abortion amendment is finally on. Stand by. As I write this, it’s 73/90 against passage.

Update: The vote on the amendment is 236/190 as I write this, which is bad news. Not only is there no guarantee that the amendment will survive the conference committee with the Senate (or a Supreme Court challenge, natch), but this gives pro-life Blue Dogs the cover they need to vote for the final bill. It’s going to pass. Sigh.

Update: A smart minority party would have voted present and made the Dems choke on it. Alas, this is our minority party:

“We believe in the sanctity of life, and the Stupak-Pitts Amendment addresses a moral issue of the utmost concern. It will limit abortion in the United States. Because of this, while we strongly and deeply oppose the underlying bill, we decided to stand with Life and support Stupak-Pitts.

“The danger of this bill passing without critical pro-life language was too great a risk to do otherwise. Indeed, a number of Democrat supporters of Stupak-Pitts had privately indicated to many of our colleagues that all they needed for “cover” was a vote, and they would support final passage even if the amendment failed.

“To be clear, the Stupak-Pitts Amendment’s passage is the right thing to do. We believe you just don’t play politics with life.

“When this bill is conferenced with the Senate, the pro-life majority in the House of Representatives must ensure that this important amendment is in the final legislation. If it does not, this same strong majority must defeat the bill.”

Update: It’s 10:45 ET and it looks like the final vote is coming within the next 15 minutes. I held out hope this morning that we might get a humpbot cameo tonight, but it looks like we’re in for an appearance by the melting bunny of death instead. Heart-ache.

Update: My prediction for the final vote, as of 10:52: 224-211.

Update: It was closer than I thought: 220-215, 39 Dems voting no and a solitary Republican — Joe Cao, who replaced “Dollar Bill” Jefferson in a blue district in Louisiana — voting yes. Take heart, righties: Reid is incompetent, which makes the likelihood of 60 votes in the Senate, especially after a vote this narrow, very slim indeed.

But for now, we grieve.


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Cute, but not allowed under American law.

Wethal on November 7, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Which part? The one where he said he would serve time in jail or the part about regular citizens getting thrown in jail for not having acceptable health insurance coverage?

The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

Mark Boabaca on November 7, 2009 at 6:58 PM

You know I was debating on going to Vegas for a couple of days to relax. If this passes – hell yes I’m going because who knows when I’ll be able to afford to go again.

gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Cut back, don’t spend, save, and teach them to love God, family and country…that’s all we’ll have left…

TheAudacityofNOPE on November 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong,but this is not over yet.Sure seems like we have all given up.It still has to go to the senate.

ohiobabe on November 7, 2009 at 6:53 PM

If it passes that means there are least 218 congressmen that think the constitution is nothing but toilet paper. America loses big time. We the people have spoken and congress has decided not to listen cause they know best. Where will end? I mean who know what lies in the future this is a power grab, it sucks.

Brat4life on November 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM

If you are convicted of a felony, you lose your right to vote. Failure to comply with Pelosicare can carry a FELONY charge.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

Technically, if you refuse to buy health insurance, the Federal Government can take away your right to vote.

Think about that: THEY CAN TAKE AWAY YOUR VOTING RIGHTS FOR NOT BUYING GOVERNMENT APPROVED HEALTH INSURANCE!!!

uknowmorethanme on November 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM

He better start now because I know I’m not taking commiecare if it becomes law. Come and get me.

gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Well that makes two of us so far… He’ll just have to rot there after others refuse.

WhoU4 on November 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM

I think it’s a political trick/tactic, like the TARP deal. It’s a bluff, if a few fence sitters think it will pass anyways, they “may as well be on the winning team”, and change their vote (like the spineless b#tches they are). Only to find out they were “duped” after the vote. Wouldn’t surprise me anyways…

Ozprey on November 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM

This will not be a major change, this will be a major disruption of our way of life! Every person that votes for this needs to be held accountable just as if they committed treason! I feel that strongly! When Republican sweep into power next year, and Palin does in 2012, none of them should ever be allowed to enter politics again. They should be sued to recover all the damages they have caused! It will not be enough, but it would be a start!

JellyToast on November 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Could the democrats trot out any more “diverse” members who sound like they have a bag of marbles in their mouth? Might be different for Mr. Frank…

TheAudacityofNOPE on November 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM

if this passes, I’m buying extra sheets; pointy hats; and extra rounds

Onager on November 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM

First of all – OUCH I hope you are okay besides the broken shoulder.

Second – it’s not over – it’s just going to be a much harder fight

gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 6:57 PM
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Yes,very fortunate,horse rolled on me,other than that just sore….I just wish we could all go up there and wring their freakin’ necks.The arrogance they have is unbelievable.

ohiobabe on November 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Here’s a fun thought: What if the bill passes 218-217 … and Bill Owens casts the deciding vote? Dude.

Meaningless. First of all, Scozzafava gave every indication that she would have voted for this thing. (Hint: Any so-called R that drops out and endorses a D would not have had a difficult time flipping off the GOP had she been elected.)

And even if she wasn’t going to vote yes, Pelosi has a list of Dems whom she is going to “allow” to vote no in order to try to save their seat next year. That list would simply become one person shorter.

Missy on November 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Update: Here’s a fun thought: What if the bill passes 218-217 … and Bill Owens casts the deciding vote? Dude.

I thought about that. Dede was not a good candidate, but last I heard she did not support Obamacare. Oh well, what happens, happens.

Terrye on November 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Call me optimistic but I do not think Pelosi has the votes to pass this. I think she is taking a big gamble and is trying to rush this thing through before any more time passes. In essence, Madam Speaker is hurrying and whenever people hurry they always make mistakes. For ObamaCare this could disastrous, and only good for us. I believe that Pelosi will crash and burn tonight.

That said, I am praying as is my family for a mighty miracle from On High this night. Lord save ss from our own stupidity and the evil of those who follow a wicked ideology.

Shogun144 on November 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Think about that: THEY CAN TAKE AWAY YOUR VOTING RIGHTS FOR NOT BUYING GOVERNMENT APPROVED HEALTH INSURANCE!!!

uknowmorethanme on November 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Congress is a trash pit!

JellyToast on November 7, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Think about that: THEY CAN TAKE AWAY YOUR VOTING RIGHTS FOR NOT BUYING GOVERNMENT APPROVED HEALTH INSURANCE!!!

uknowmorethanme on November 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Just another way for dems to cut down on the number of people who vote for repubs.

Mark Boabaca on November 7, 2009 at 7:02 PM

If this passes, my passport can’t come soon enough.

Where is John Galt?

Rambotito on November 7, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Well, I guess I might have to enjoy thinking about my upcoming time in prison, because that is the kind of determination it is going to take to beat back Leviathan–and it will be beat back.

On a different note, I just had another Eureka! moment on Thursday. Bountiful harvest.

Horatius on November 7, 2009 at 7:03 PM

To add a prison sentence to an unconstitutional mandate should tell you how far gone this congress is.

Also, Pelosi’s willingness to TAX pro-lifers for gov’t-funded abortions is beyond comprehension.

David2.0 on November 7, 2009 at 7:04 PM

They continue to just make sh*t up. “Someone might not have gotten a job because they had breast cancer five years ago.” Give me a godda*m break.

KSgop on November 7, 2009 at 7:04 PM

When the Federal Government decides to ignore the Constitution… when they break the covenent with the People…

Well… we do still have the 2nd Amendment… for now…

Romeo13 on November 7, 2009 at 7:04 PM

I thought about that. Dede was not a good candidate, but last I heard she did not support Obamacare. Oh well, what happens, happens.

Terrye on November 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Last you heard. It’s not like she would have been offered anything from the Dems to vote and give them that magic “Bipartisanship stamp” they desire so much. I am sure she would have displayed a great deal of integrity, refused any and all bribes from the Democrats and done the right thing, like most RINO’s do.

JellyToast on November 7, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Celebrate this day in your own way, go purchase a gun

TheAudacityofNOPE on November 7, 2009 at 7:05 PM

the 2nd ammendment is the only thing we have left

TheAudacityofNOPE on November 7, 2009 at 7:05 PM

They continue to just make sh*t up. “Someone might not have gotten a job because they had breast cancer five years ago.” Give me a godda*m break.

KSgop on November 7, 2009 at 7:04 PM

That’s the problem – these people haven’t held real jobs in years or ever. Since when do you have to reveal your medical history on during a job interview?

Heck they can’t even ask your age.

gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

if this passes, I’m buying extra sheets; pointy hats; and extra rounds

Onager on November 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM

1. Extra sheets before the price of bed linens goes up?
2. Pointy hats for your democrat friends who are dunces for supporting government health care?
3. Extra rounds of alcohol to numb the pain of Obamacare?

Don’t answer if I’m not right. I would rather not know the reality.

Mark Boabaca on November 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Well… we do still have the 2nd Amendment… for now…

Romeo13 on November 7, 2009 at 7:04 PM

If they try to mess with the second amendment, it all ends.

uknowmorethanme on November 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

From GOPWhip–UPDATED COUNT: 34 House Dems now oppose Pelosi’s trillion dollar plus #healthcare overhaul

canditaylor68 on November 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

From GOPWhip–UPDATED COUNT: 34 House Dems now oppose Pelosi’s trillion dollar plus #healthcare overhaul

canditaylor68 on November 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Hmmmm a flicker of hope

gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Don’t answer if I’m not right. I would rather not know the reality.

Mark Boabaca on November 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Yeah, I’m hoping that’s some kind of inside joke and doesn’t mean what it looks like it means.

BadgerHawk on November 7, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Which part? The one where he said he would serve time in jail or the part about regular citizens getting thrown in jail for not having acceptable health insurance coverage?

The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

Mark Boabaca on November 7, 2009 at 6:58 PM

The part about a person being able to serve someone else’s prison time for them.

Wethal on November 7, 2009 at 7:08 PM

I think it’s a political trick/tactic, like the TARP deal. It’s a bluff, if a few fence sitters think it will pass anyways, they “may as well be on the winning team”, and change their vote (like the spineless b#tches they are). Only to find out they were “duped” after the vote. Wouldn’t surprise me anyways…

Ozprey on November 7, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Could backfire if that’s the tactic. This dog doo is so unpopular, that if these idiots think it’s going to pass anyway, they might vote “no” so as not to get whacked by their electorate.

mr.blacksheep on November 7, 2009 at 7:08 PM

BadgerHawk on November 7, 2009 at 7:08 PM

He’s a concern troll.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Cantor’s twitter says up to 34 Dem NO votes.

stldave on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I thought about that. Dede was not a good candidate, but last I heard she did not support Obamacare. Oh well, what happens, happens.

Terrye on November 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Owens didn’t support ObamaCare either, remember? From what I remember, she was on the fence about ObamaCare.

Scozzafava wouldn’t say whether she would vote against a bill that contained a public option, but expressed concerns “it has the potential to crowd out private insurance companies.” While she said there needs to be a “safety net,” she believed it should be provided by a non-government entity.

deidre on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

It looks like it is up to the US Senate…I’m hoping for a miracle.

d1carter on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Call me optimistic but I do not think Pelosi has the votes to pass this.

Shogun144 on November 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM

I’ll call you optimistic because it is incomprehensible that Pelosi will call a vote without the votes in hand. Bribery, blackmail, whatever. She has all the power so she knows the outcome before it happens.

That being said, this isn’t the first time the Dems have done the incomprehensible. Here’s hoping that this is one of those times.

highhopes on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I’m guessing most wealthy people have their money offshore? There will come a time when bank accounts will have to be tapped because it’s owner failed to pay the jizya to the gubmint for healthcare. I can’t afford the big time lawyers and accounting firms to find out how they do it, but I can walk over, either the Canadian or Mexican, border and make a claim for asylum.

24K lady on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I am really getting to like Paul Ryan. Any chance he’s running for a higher office in 2012?

Caiwyn on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Can someone twit cantor and tell them to walk out on this piece of crap and make a statement on the steps as to why they are doing it.

Brat4life on November 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM

It looks like it is up to the US Senate…I’m hoping for a miracle.

d1carter on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

I’m hoping for public riots. Really.

highhopes on November 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Now they’re describing failure of an insurance company to cover someone with pre-existing conditions to be “descrimination”. I can’t wait until they outlaw physicals required for life insurance.

The left is on a mad rush to destroy this nation and they are well on their way. This nation cannot continue to exist with a large percentage who see no limits to the power of the feral government, have a desire to dictate everyone’s behavior, and have no respect for individualism or the cherished rights of private property. This nation will sink under the weight of this 2000 page monstrosity and the insane animals who are pushing it on us.

Update: Here’s a fun thought: What if the bill passes 218-217 … and Bill Owens casts the deciding vote? Dude.

What’s your point? He promised not to support anything with a Fannie Med in it and then broke his promise the minute he won the election. The Scuzzball would have been the lone GOP vote for this, notwithstanding any alleged promises she made. She is a lefty which means that she is a backstabbing liar who is set on killing America just as her co-religionist Dems are.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Cantor’s twitter says up to 34 Dem NO votes.

stldave on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

don’t they need 40? it will pass with 218-220….that allows for about 3-5 to go no….

tatersalad on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Away out here they have a name for lice and frogs and locust
The lice is Nancy, the frog is Harry and they call the locust Obama

Obama blows liberty away and sets the constitution a-flyin’
Obama makes the countryside sound like freedom was out there dyin’

Obama. (Obama)
Obama. (Obama)
They call the locust Obama

Before I knew Obama’s name
And heard his wail and whinin’
I had a country and it had me
And the sun was always shinin’

But then one day He, Pelosi and Reid betrayed me
And left me far behind them
And now I’m lost, so gone and lost
Not even God can find me

MB4 on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Is this debate being carried on C-Span? I haven’t checked.

bluegrass on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

I am really getting to like Paul Ryan. Any chance he’s running for a higher office in 2012?

Caiwyn on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

He’s my rep and I like him. Too bad we have a bunch of liberals for our Senators though. We might need Ryan in the house for a while though.

Brat4life on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Here’s a fun thought: What if the bill passes 218-217 … and Bill Owens casts the deciding vote? Dude.

Dede would have voted for it…do not kid yourselves

CWforFreedom on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

I am really getting to like Paul Ryan. Any chance he’s running for a higher office in 2012?

Caiwyn on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Don’t kid yourself, this nation is highly unlikely to make it to 2012, intact.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

From GOPWhip–UPDATED COUNT: 34 House Dems now oppose Pelosi’s trillion dollar plus #healthcare overhaul

canditaylor68 on November 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Need to get to 41.

Wethal on November 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I’m hoping for public riots. Really.

highhopes on November 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Yep flood the streets in protest.

gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM

The Dems really do want to give up control of the house

CWforFreedom on November 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM

bluegrass on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Yes

Dire Straits on November 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Is this debate being carried on C-Span? I haven’t checked.

bluegrass on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

It’s not a debate, in any sense, but the lunatic rantings are on CSPAN, yes. I’m disappointed that no one on the right is pointing out the un-Constitutionality – the most important point – of this massive expanision of the feral government.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 7:13 PM

If people go to jail they’ll get health coverage there. Democrats are so dumb.

SouthernGent on November 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM

He’s my rep and I like him. Too bad we have a bunch of liberals for our Senators though. We might need Ryan in the house for a while though.

Brat4life on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Feingold’s re-election next year is not even close to a sure thing.

BadgerHawk on November 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM

I have never been so ashamed of Congress more, then I am tonight.

I would so love to barge into that room, and give them all a piece of my mind. Storm the bastille

capejasmine on November 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM

The Dems really do want to give up control of the house

CWforFreedom on November 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM

They don’t care. They are on a suicide mission to destroy America.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM

don’t they need 40? it will pass with 218-220….that allows for about 3-5 to go no….

tatersalad on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Yeah, they’ll strongarm whatever they need to, I’m afraid. I think it will pass by 1 or 2 and they’ll give as many cover as they can. Just thought I’d pass it on though. It isn’t completely inconceivable that they just have to rush this because it is only getting tougher politically and they don’t actually have every vote lined up…..but I think it is extremely unlikely.

stldave on November 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM

The campaign ads write themselves. Bye bye, Blue Dogs.

ddrintn on November 7, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Amazing as the argument continues…

In this corner are the Democrats who continue to pound their opponents with an argument centered on emotional guilt and entitlement…

In the other corner are the Republicans who continue to attempt presenting common sense and our how this will affect our constitutional freedoms…

Ladies and Gentlemen place your bets

WhoU4 on November 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Feingold’s re-election next year is not even close to a sure thing.

BadgerHawk on November 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM

I’m glad. I wish I was in WI to help vote his @$$ out. If they can get someone decent to run against him I’ll donate to them. If this piece of shit passes he’s really going to be hearing from me. Kohls a lost cause.

Brat4life on November 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM

From GOPWhip–UPDATED COUNT: 34 House Dems now oppose Pelosi’s trillion dollar plus #healthcare overhaul

canditaylor68 on November 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Needs to hit 40 before it’s failed, otherwise it’ll pass.

Enoxo on November 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM

We’re doomed. The GOP needs to vote against the Stupak amendment so it doesn’t pass. I don’t want abortion in it obviously, but have those blue dogs commit to voting for something with that abominable abortion premium included. The GOP can always say that they couldn’t support it b/c they didn’t trust Dems to keep it in.

changer1701 on November 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM

http://twitter.com/GOPWhip

GOP whip is saying 34 now oppose.

JellyToast on November 7, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Is this debate being carried on C-Span? I haven’t checked.

bluegrass on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Fox is streaming it (I think). Here is a link.

Mark Boabaca on November 7, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I haven’t read the comments here, but what is this “donut hole” coming out of the democrat’s pie holes?

jaime on November 7, 2009 at 7:17 PM

OMG, we are definitely not sending our best and brightest to Congress. Some of these dumbasses can’t ever read a one minute speech.

d1carter on November 7, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Don’t kid yourself, this nation is highly unlikely to make it to 2012, intact.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Predictions?

volnation on November 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM

It is sickening to think that the Dems would follow Pelosi over the American people.

mobydutch on November 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM

We’re doomed. The GOP needs to vote against the Stupak amendment so it doesn’t pass.

changer1701 on November 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM

The GOP should just boycott the entire proceeding.

ddrintn on November 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM

The Dem internal vote is reporting over 218… they are just choosing who can vote against. It’s over.

tetriskid on November 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM

jaime on November 7, 2009 at 7:17 PM

It was a flaw in the last bill they wrote that made people ineligible for the last thing they did. Whatever it was. Who cares about the details, really.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM

changer1701 on November 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Good post

Dire Straits on November 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Mr. Owen is speaking now on the floor…BHO and Nanzi have gotten to him…the people of his district need him to vote yes.

d1carter on November 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM

It is sickening to think that the Dems would follow Pelosi over the American people.

mobydutch on November 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Shows who they are more scared of….sad isn’t it.

deidre on November 7, 2009 at 7:20 PM

The Dems in the house are led by a deranged individual. Scary she-it.

CWforFreedom on November 7, 2009 at 7:20 PM

I’m hoping for public riots. Really.

highhopes on November 7, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Yep flood the streets in protest.

gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 7:12 PM

The forests will sing, the oceans will cry
The protests will soar through every sky
Sister gophergirl will carry the flame
While highhopes will throw down the lightning and rain
Upon the dragon boats, the tyrants we will assail
America’s battle-call will wail
Storming ashore with torches and pitchforks in hand
Claiming back our cherished land
To one day view the Big Oak Tree
And hang from it all of them so we can again be free

MB4 on November 7, 2009 at 7:20 PM

gumming up the works was their preferred strategy.”

Since Democrats have a majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate, only Democrats can gum up the works for Obama.

But after they’ve listened to angry seniors at townhall meetings and Tea Parties, and watched election returns from Virginia and New Jersey, for some Democrats, they might WANT to gum up the works of a runaway train to political suicide…

Steve Z on November 7, 2009 at 7:20 PM

I think it would be hilarious if Pelosi went into this showdown “knowing” that she had all the votes and then it turned out that she didn’t.

Mark Boabaca on November 7, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Who cares about the details, really.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Whatever they take out or put in right now would just be added or removed later. It’s all a sleight-of-hand scam.

ddrintn on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

This is just a replay of the cap n trade vote. Dunno why everyone is so excited.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

GOP whip is saying 34 now oppose.

JellyToast on November 7, 2009 at 7:17 PM

The closer this gets to 218 the greater the chance that it dies in the Senate post haste. I still think this is a symbolic vote just to give Obama a checkmark on his to do list.

volnation on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

watching the Dems make their points on C-Span and its amazing how many goodies are “free”!!

nemo239 on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

The Dems in the house are led by a deranged individual. Scary she-it.

CWforFreedom on November 7, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Most of them are deranged.

SouthernGent on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 7:11 PM

I hope you are wrong. Dear God, I hope this bill fails. I am just on my nerves today.

nyx on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

So what is the F**k is Owen’s saying. What an @$$hole. How could you lie like that and think it’s ok. That’s not what this country is about! I am pissed.

Brat4life on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Update: Here’s a fun thought: What if the bill passes 218-217 … and Bill Owens casts the deciding vote? Dude.

You moderates have decided long ago you are not accountable, ever, to destroy a liberal Democrat welfare program. No matter how big the Republican majority, it just won’t deliver the goods. That’s why you’re in a panic today. Your own failure. Your own cowardice. Your own delusions. Let’s make that clear. Because if we had a serious conservative majority, then however a majority voted in 2009, this turd would become as dead as Nixon’s price controls. YOU- not the Democrats — take that off the table. And we’re not gonna forget it. So no, AP, we won’t feel at all bad about dynamiting a moderate liberal Republican in NY-23 or anywhere else.

Chris_Balsz on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

any idea when the vote will actually take place?

toenail on November 7, 2009 at 7:22 PM

ddrintn on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Exactly. This montrosity is like 2x larger than whatever POS the senate is working on. This is vote is just a redux of the cap n trade vote, so the House can blame the senate for not passing anything.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Is the vote still scheduled for 9:30 central time? I would like to get some exercise in but don’t want to miss anything happening if by some miracle it does.

gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Feingold’s re-election next year is not even close to a sure thing.

BadgerHawk on November 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM

I certainly hope we get rid of him

WhoU4 on November 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

i want to put in a pizza but I’m sure i’ll just throw it up

TheAudacityofNOPE on November 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Who cares about the details, really.

lorien1973 on November 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM

I’ve heard that’s where the devil lives.

jaime on November 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Could backfire if that’s the tactic. This dog doo is so unpopular, that if these idiots think it’s going to pass anyway, they might vote “no” so as not to get whacked by their electorate.

mr.blacksheep on November 7, 2009 at 7:08 PM

That would indeed be the wise course. But I’m a bit skeptical of any wisdom left inside the belt anymore, and we are still talking about Dem’s, blue dog or not. As for the Republicans and the abortion amendment baiting (which Dem’s will put in later anyways) any Republican stupid enough to fall for that, needs to be held seriously accountable as well. Many believe we are losing this country and need to stop it. I believe it is already lost, and needs taken back. IMHO, both parties are on double secret probation!

Ozprey on November 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

[quote] I’ll call you optimistic because it is incomprehensible that Pelosi will call a vote without the votes in hand. Bribery, blackmail, whatever. She has all the power so she knows the outcome before it happens.

That being said, this isn’t the first time the Dems have done the incomprehensible. Here’s hoping that this is one of those times.

highhopes on November 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM [/quote]

I know. I am hoping Pelosi’s rush to pass this thing has made her sloppy. Praying for the incomprehensible.

Shogun144 on November 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Predictions?

volnation on November 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM

I’ve been writing about them, here, for a very long time. There will be secession or there will be a total disintegration fo the federal government (probably as a result of the collapse – real collapse, not the mamby-pamby collapses that people like to toss about as with no seriousness – of our monetary system).

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

lorien1973 on November 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM

You may be right. I hope you are right.

nyx on November 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Where is John Galt?

Rambotito on November 7, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Living on my spread, out in the boonies, with the proper inventory of 2nd amendment doo-dads and the stuff necessary for proper care and feeding. Also scattered around are stores of food, water, medical supplies, personal hygene products, trading goods and various metal coins and bars. “John” saw this coming.

If they try to mess with the second amendment, it all ends.

uknowmorethanme on November 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Do the numbers. Add to those who have been ready, for a long time, those who have purchased at record numbers every month since last November.

There are a LOT more of us than them. I mean a WHOLE LOT MORE.

Yoop on November 7, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Mr. Owen is speaking now on the floor…BHO and Nanzi have gotten to him…the people of his district need him to vote yes.

d1carter on November 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM

He lied to his constituents. He said he was against this bill the entire campaign. He’ll be voted out next year.

Enoxo on November 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Time to offer some amendments to this piece of crap…

… like the Constitution of the United States.

Seven Percent Solution on November 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM

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