Twitter’s hopping with rumors about vote-wrangling and backroom deals so I figured you guys could use a thread to exchange information. Just within the past half hour, Politico’s heard whispers from the Democratic leadership that they’ve reached 218. Debate on Stupak’s amendment to strip abortion funding from the bill is coming up, followed by a vote on that and then — sometime between nine and eleven p.m. — the big vote on PelosiCare itself. If you’re watching this all play out on C-SPAN (either on TV or online), keep your eye on Republicans demanding a promise from Pelosi that if Stupak’s amendment passes, it won’t later be dropped in the conference committee with the Senate. The Democrats have been coy about that thus far.
Updates will appear below as warranted. In the meantime, here’s Paul Ryan trying to rally the troops, apparently to no avail. Exit question via Karl: Should the GOP vote “present” on Stupak’s amendment instead of voting for it? Think strategically.
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Sg1conservative @ 6:19
My 16 year old grandson wanted McCain to win. Obama scares him. In class debates he stood his ground and was one of two who got the drift. My 9 year old grandson sent a letter to Obama stating higher taxes will hurt us. I’m sure there are many others with more sense then stars in their eyes. Lots of younger people are beginning to see what the Health bill and cap and trade will do to them. Mostly you have to understand we can win this fight if we stand together as free men and women. They will back down. Never give up, never surrender.
I see first hand every day what kind of job the government schools have done. I’ve been ripped off.
Exactly.
I can always get liberals to admit its going to be more costly and the results might not be as good as a private entity handling almost any issue, but they are always willing to give it up to the govt as the idea that private industry is out to hold down or harm the little guy and that phiolosphy runs real deep.
Ironically, cap and trade and universal healthcare will do more to hold down and harm the little guy than most likely everything corporations have done since the existence of the U.S.
I don’t have any children, but I’ve been paying taxes, high taxes, all my life, and will pay the rest of my life, to educate someone else’ kid.
I see first hand every day what kind of job the government schools have done. I’ve been ripped off.
davidk on November 8, 2009 at 8:55 PM
The majority of those are state and local taxes….primarily property taxes. Very little are Federal taxes. So, again, the analogy is flawed.
And the point could be made that society benefits from having public schools. A least moreso than forcing citizens to buy health insurance they may not want.
For all those supporting this bill–and Government Health Care in general–I want to personally thank you for killing me.
No exaggeration, no “fuzzy math”; for the cost of medical equipment, diagnostics, and mediations that require me to live day to day, month to month, year to year, that cost will be deemed too high. My insulin will be cut in third. The next major illness I receive, God forbid, I will need to wait weeks to months to see a doctor…which is a literal death sentence. And if my amount of medications I need increases–again–my doctors will need to deal with weeks and weeks of redtape (rather than faxing in a simple prescription into my insurance company).
So, again, for those who weep for those who supposedly cannot pay for their medical care, I want to thank you for killing those same people, and many more, like me. You’ve just made a bad problem much, much worse.
Maybe you’re onto something…pool our funds, buy our own island and control very strictly who can become a citizen? Worth a thought at least.
CatsGodot on November 9, 2009 at 1:53 AM
I know how you feel. I have a disabled friend who is barely getting by NOW and will be left to die should this nonsense be passed. He won’t even be able to wield a firearm in his own defense, should it come to that.
I see first hand every day what kind of job the government schools have done. I’ve been ripped off.
davidk on November 8, 2009 at 8:55 PM
+infinity
I have nothing but the highest praise for my community college…but the public K-12 system as a whole…calling it a total waste of money would be a tremendous understatement.
I just can’t take our government any longer. Certain people just don’t want to contribute to society any longer! If a plane crashed on an island and it was 200 conservatives and 200 liberals, who do you think would survive? They would be busy mulling around setting up an obtuse government with ZERO workers, while we would be busy setting up a practical system of sustenance and survival! Next thing you know, the liberals would come onto our half of the island demanding we feed and shelter them because their huge government is WORTHLESS WITHOUT THE BACKBONES AND PRODUCTIVE CONSERVATIVE SOCIETY.
Liberals are effectively useless without us, they are the remoras of society, a lesser class that feeds off of the scraps of the sharks.
Certain people just don’t want to contribute to society any longer! If a plane crashed on an island and it was 200 conservatives and 200 liberals, who do you think would survive? They would be busy mulling around setting up an obtuse government with ZERO workers, while we would be busy
Fishy.Gov on November 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Nah- they wouldn’t be setting up a government. At first, they’d be content to lie about and live off of the work of the workers. Eventually, they’d move to organize a “fair” form of distribution, but their first impulse would be laziness.
I actually think a reality show like this would be very interesting.
Certain people just don’t want to contribute to society any longer! If a plane crashed on an island and it was 200 conservatives and 200 liberals, who do you think would survive? They would be busy mulling around setting up an obtuse government with ZERO workers, while we would be busy
Fishy.Gov on November 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Nah- they wouldn’t be setting up a government. At first, they’d be content to lie about and live off of the work of the workers. Eventually, they’d move to organize a “fair” form of distribution, but their first impulse would be laziness.
I actually think a reality show like this would be very interesting.
hawksruleva on November 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM
A reality show like this would be fantastic. They would have to let us build a fence to keep the Leeches off of our land.
HeroesforGhosts – Treason? Treason is what just passed the house my dear sir.
What I am sugesting is patriotism of the highest order.
If that becomes necessary.
THIS bill is THE line.
Peroid.
I do not fear death, I welcome it in pursuite of a just cause.
Quote:“Ler her black wings take those who would trample liberty and those who would remain stalwart in defense of it, for such sums are the levy of freedom.”
Blowback
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Sg1conservative @ 6:19
My 16 year old grandson wanted McCain to win. Obama scares him. In class debates he stood his ground and was one of two who got the drift. My 9 year old grandson sent a letter to Obama stating higher taxes will hurt us. I’m sure there are many others with more sense then stars in their eyes. Lots of younger people are beginning to see what the Health bill and cap and trade will do to them. Mostly you have to understand we can win this fight if we stand together as free men and women. They will back down. Never give up, never surrender.
elclynn on November 8, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Exactly.
I can always get liberals to admit its going to be more costly and the results might not be as good as a private entity handling almost any issue, but they are always willing to give it up to the govt as the idea that private industry is out to hold down or harm the little guy and that phiolosphy runs real deep.
Ironically, cap and trade and universal healthcare will do more to hold down and harm the little guy than most likely everything corporations have done since the existence of the U.S.
skicougar on November 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM
The majority of those are state and local taxes….primarily property taxes. Very little are Federal taxes. So, again, the analogy is flawed.
And the point could be made that society benefits from having public schools. A least moreso than forcing citizens to buy health insurance they may not want.
Fed45 on November 9, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Idiot in chief.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w49/kimobean/image001.jpg
ray on November 9, 2009 at 12:38 AM
For all those supporting this bill–and Government Health Care in general–I want to personally thank you for killing me.
No exaggeration, no “fuzzy math”; for the cost of medical equipment, diagnostics, and mediations that require me to live day to day, month to month, year to year, that cost will be deemed too high. My insulin will be cut in third. The next major illness I receive, God forbid, I will need to wait weeks to months to see a doctor…which is a literal death sentence. And if my amount of medications I need increases–again–my doctors will need to deal with weeks and weeks of redtape (rather than faxing in a simple prescription into my insurance company).
So, again, for those who weep for those who supposedly cannot pay for their medical care, I want to thank you for killing those same people, and many more, like me. You’ve just made a bad problem much, much worse.
CatsGodot on November 9, 2009 at 1:53 AM
Maybe you’re onto something…pool our funds, buy our own island and control very strictly who can become a citizen? Worth a thought at least.
I know how you feel. I have a disabled friend who is barely getting by NOW and will be left to die should this nonsense be passed. He won’t even be able to wield a firearm in his own defense, should it come to that.
+infinity
I have nothing but the highest praise for my community college…but the public K-12 system as a whole…calling it a total waste of money would be a tremendous understatement.
Dark-Star on November 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM
I just can’t take our government any longer. Certain people just don’t want to contribute to society any longer! If a plane crashed on an island and it was 200 conservatives and 200 liberals, who do you think would survive? They would be busy mulling around setting up an obtuse government with ZERO workers, while we would be busy setting up a practical system of sustenance and survival! Next thing you know, the liberals would come onto our half of the island demanding we feed and shelter them because their huge government is WORTHLESS WITHOUT THE BACKBONES AND PRODUCTIVE CONSERVATIVE SOCIETY.
Liberals are effectively useless without us, they are the remoras of society, a lesser class that feeds off of the scraps of the sharks.
Fishy.Gov on November 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Question. Should you support, or not oppose, Blue Dogs who voted against the bill?
hawksruleva on November 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Nah- they wouldn’t be setting up a government. At first, they’d be content to lie about and live off of the work of the workers. Eventually, they’d move to organize a “fair” form of distribution, but their first impulse would be laziness.
I actually think a reality show like this would be very interesting.
hawksruleva on November 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM
A reality show like this would be fantastic. They would have to let us build a fence to keep the Leeches off of our land.
Fishy.Gov on November 9, 2009 at 11:32 AM
HeroesforGhosts – Treason? Treason is what just passed the house my dear sir.
What I am sugesting is patriotism of the highest order.
If that becomes necessary.
THIS bill is THE line.
Peroid.
I do not fear death, I welcome it in pursuite of a just cause.
Quote: “Ler her black wings take those who would trample liberty and those who would remain stalwart in defense of it, for such sums are the levy of freedom.”
The Ronin Edge on November 9, 2009 at 11:54 AM
This is the Democrats “allahu akbar” moment.
Cybergeezer on November 9, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Another wolf in sheep’s clothing.
galvestonian on November 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM
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