It’s on: Palin vs Pelosi Allahpundit

Too good to check. Finally.

Dede lost the safe GOP seat, not Hoffman. Hoffman was the Conservative Party nominee, not the GOP nominee.

trfogey on November 8, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Touche!!

BTW, has Dede been run out of NY Republican Party politics FOREVAH… On a rail… Benedictine Arnold… A name which will live in infamy…

Dede lost the safe GOP seat, not Hoffman. Hoffman was the Conservative Party nominee, not the GOP nominee.

trfogey on November 8, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Exactly. Oddly, some voters in that conservative part of NY seem surprised that Owens voted in favor of the health care plan.

Cheshire Cat on November 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Nice!

simplesimon on November 7, 2009 at 11:23 AM

The trolls have no idea what is coming.

Only if Hoffman won.

He lost a safe GOP seat.

To the Democrat.

Grow Fins on November 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Dede lost the safe GOP seat, not Hoffman. Hoffman was the Conservative Party nominee, not the GOP nominee.

The bill allows for collecting all personal data and determining what treatments will be covered and which will not.

Nope. Insurance companies do that.

Grow Fins on November 7, 2009 at 6:30 PM

MEDICARE/MEDICAID are the top deniers of treatment. Government Insurers.
Your percentage of getting expensive medical treatments go WAY UP with Insurance companies when compared with MEDICARE/MEDICAID. FACT
Logic, you anti-truth troll defeats you.

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.blogspot.com/2009/11/defiant-sarah-palin-pelosi-bill-was.html

The same government leaders that got us into the mortgage business and the car business are now getting us into the healthcare business.

Despite Americans’ decisive message last Tuesday that they reject the troubling path this country has been taking, Speaker Pelosi has broken her own promises of transparency to ram a health “care” bill through the House of Representatives just before midnight. Why did she push the 2,000 page bill this weekend? Was she perhaps afraid to give her peers and the constituents for whom she works the chance to actually read this monstrous bill carefully, if at all? Was she concerned that Americans might really digest the details of a bill that the Wall Street Journal has called “the worst piece of post-New Deal legislation ever introduced”?

This out-of-control bureaucratic mess will be disastrous for our economy, our small businesses, and our personal liberty. It will slam businesses at a time when we are at double-digit unemployment rates – the highest we’ve seen in a quarter of a century. This massive new bureaucracy will cost us and our children money we don’t have. It will rob Americans of more of our freedom and further hamper the free market.

Make no mistake: we’re on course to have government commandeer one-sixth of our economy. The people who gave us Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac now want to run our health care. Think about that.

All of us who value the sanctity of life are grateful for the success of the pro-life majority in the House this evening in its battle against federal funding of abortion in this bill, but it’s ironic because we were promised that abortion wasn’t covered in the bill to begin with. Our healthy distrust of these government leaders made us look deeper into the bill because unfortunately we knew better than to trust what they were saying. The victory tonight to amend the bill and eliminate that federal funding for abortion was great – because abortion is not health care. Now we can only hope that Rep. Stupak’s amendment will hold in the final bill, though the Democratic leadership has already refused to promise that it won’t be scrapped later.

We had been told there were no “death panels” in the bill either. But look closely at the provision mandating bureaucratic panels that will be calling the shots regarding who will receive government health care.

Look closely at provisions addressing illegal aliens’ health care coverage too.

Those of us who love freedom and believe in open and transparent government can only be dismayed by midnight action on a Saturday. Speaker Pelosi’s promise that Americans would have 72 hours to read the final bill before the vote was just another one of the D.C. establishment’s too-common political ploys. It’s broken promises like this that turn people off to politics and leave them disillusioned about the future of their country.

But despite this late-night maneuvering, many of us were paying close attention tonight. We’ll keep paying close attention. We need to let our legislators in Washington know that they still represent us, and that the majority of Americans are not in favor of the “reform” they are pushing. After all, this is still a country “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” We will make our voices heard. It’s on to the Senate now. Our legislators can listen now, or they can hear us in 2010. It’s their choice.

- Sarah Palin

Sorry, comparative effctiveness is not death panel. It merely means–as the name suggests–to compare two or more treatments on their effectiveness and costs and choose the best one. No, doctors don’t know the best all the time! A lot of new treatments or drugs offer little additional benefit while increasing the costs. And benefiting the physicians. If folks don’t remember, we moved moved from a Fee-for-service to prospective payment system (PPS) where physicians get a fixed payment depending upon case complexity irrespective of the actual costs incurred precisely because we did not want to incentivize excessive care by physicians. And in case of hospitals it happened under Reagan administration.

As fiscal conservatives, we should be approving of steps to cut costs. Insurance companies do it all the time when they refuse to pay for certain treatments and ask patients be discharged even if the physicians may not feel so. Interestingly, it is the liberals who howl then that cost is placed on human lives!

rightistliberal on November 7, 2009 at 11:19 AM

You have completely missed the point!!! The government has no right to determine what measure to preserve and/or enhance life is “worth it”!!! This is an individual right guaranteed to us by our constitution!!!

In the private sector, we have the right to contract with anyone we want for any kind of care we want. And if the other party does not deliver, we have access to the justice system to correct the situation.

The Pelosi bill/Obamacare will take all of these rights away! You will have NO SAY in what care you can get…and if you don’t like it, there will be no appeal and you CAN’T sue!!!

Obamacare takes away the individual right to

“as much life as the government will allow, and as much liberty and happiness as is convenient for the government to permit”

This is why Obamacare/Pelosi version is unconstitutional and evil.

Participating in arguments about “comparative effectiveness” is a trap: it concedes the (false) premise that it is the government’s right to make these judgements, and thus diverts you from arguing the important points.

I would laugh if you were abducted by Islamic extremists and they performed a retroactive abortion on you

Only if Hoffman won.

He lost a safe GOP seat.

To the Democrat.

Grow Fins on November 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM

When Pelosi said this seat had belonged to Republican’s since the Civil War, I had to check it out because it sounded impossible.

The 23rd District has had 22 Democrat representatives and 19 Republican representatives. Republican’s had it back to 1993. Democrats held it before back that to 1979. Republican back to 1973. Democrats before that back to 1923.

Not exactly what I would call a Republican stronghold.

Liar. The bill explicitly says that federal officers cannot dictate treatment.

Grow Fins on November 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Yeah, and the 2nd amendmant explicitly says the right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED…and that phrase has stopped exactly jack squat.

Liar. The bill explicitly says that federal officers cannot dictate treatment.

Grow Fins on November 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Quit pretending you’ve read the @#$%ing bill, liar.

Back to the woman with the 6-year degree from Beauty College v. BHO.

simplesimon on November 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Sarah Palin graduated from the University of Idaho. Funny how Democrats slip up and talk about the working class when they think no one’s paying attention.

Do you know what ‘exaggerates’ means?

Grow Fins on November 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM

It actually means excessive use for making a point. Literally, to “heap up” — probably not what you think it means.

But Oh, I forgot, there won’t be any of those people left because they will have taxed into non-existence or aborted.

Did you see him? He was a “Who!”

ProudPalinFan on November 7, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Which one? Roger? Pete? Keith? John?