It’s on: Palin vs Pelosi
posted at 10:35 am on November 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
If Nancy Pelosi isn’t taking a day off on her quest to have government run the health care industry, neither will Sarah Palin in her quest to stop ObamaCare. Using her Facebook platform, Palin reminded her followers what the Pelosi plan means for health care, small business, unemployment, and personal choice (via The Corner):
How much will this bill cost us? It’s unclear because the figures coming out of Washington keep changing – and always in the direction of costing more, not less. The latest numbers show it will cost more than a trillion dollars over the decade, but when has a government program ever come in on or under budget?
How will we pay for it? Taxes, of course – and not just on the “rich” (you know, the people who spur the economy by buying goods and running companies that employ people), but also on just about everyone, especially small businesses – the job-creating engine of our economy. One of the points of health care reform was to help small businesses with the cost, but this bill hurts them – and right at a time when so many Americans are out of work and need the jobs that small businesses produce.
What’s in this bill? The “death panel” provision is in it. Medicare cuts are in it. Coverage of illegal immigrants is in it. And federal funding for abortion is in it. I commend the many Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats who are taking a principled stance to fight this.
Critics will howl over the “death panel” reference, but Pelosi still has the Comparative Effectiveness Panel in the bill. The language establishing it takes up 22 pages of the bill (pages 739-760), and it does include experts on “health economics”. It doesn’t explicitly give government the power to dictate treatments — in fact, it does explicitly say that federal officers cannot dictate them — but findings by this panel will be used as baselines for payment by insurers, including the federal government, when it comes to deciding what options for treatment are available to whom. After all, comparative effectiveness is explicitly a rationing process. If it’s in the bill, it means that Pelosi plans on cost savings through rationing, which is really no surprise at all.
Palin also does well by hammering on the unemployment news from yesterday. This bill will not alleviate health-care costs for smaller businesses, the engine of new job growth. In fact, it will create a larger burden through mandates and new taxes, especially for small business owners who file taxes as individuals rather than corporations. They will have to pay excise taxes to fund ObamaCare, and the mandates will make small business owners think twice before expanding their labor force.
Pelosi proved Palin correct today in retreating before the Blue Dogs howling over abortion. Will the Blue Dogs stop howling after the Stupak amendment vote, or will they represent their constituents who oppose a government-run heath-insurance scheme and the infringement of their personal choices?
Update: I forgot to put this chart into the post from the Republicans on the Joint Committee for Taxation, which Palin linked in her Facebook statement. Click to enlarge (via Power Line):











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Peer reviewed articles in medical journals do that. Science is a building block procedure,..what you want does occur, but it happens without political influence.
a capella on November 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Back to the woman with the 6-year degree from Beauty College v. BHO. I have 2 words for you race fans:
Katie
Couric
simplesimon on November 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM
I’m watching live and it is getting HEATED! I LOVE IT!
VegasRick on November 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Sarah Palin – the only real conservative actually standing up and providing leadership on this and other issues.
Where are our Congressional “leaders”? Can’t they make themselves heard? Except for Michelle Bachmann, they’re all asleep at the wheel or in cahoots with the Dems for socialism.
Common Sense on November 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Instead of getting all wee-weed up about Sarah using this as a teaching moment please enjoy this video of Obama’s teaching moments and this one. If it leaves any doubt in your mind (what little there is of it) then please check out the Obamateurism weekly winners on this blog.
canditaylor68 on November 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM
You asked for it. Yep the exact mental illness you display every time your greasy digits mash that library keyboard.
It is rather sad.
daesleeper on November 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I have 2 words for you as well and it is not KC.
VegasRick on November 7, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Such a clever, well-reasoned response. Your desperation is showing.
Funny you should bring up ghostwriting.
mr.blacksheep on November 7, 2009 at 11:34 AM
simplesimon on November 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Two words for you, Deb: Best Seller.
Your President in on the way to Capitol Hill. He should be at the chrisening of the U.S.S. New York. Instead, he sent Hil the Pill.
kingsjester on November 7, 2009 at 11:35 AM
But I bet those letters are in one of the words, no?
JamesLee on November 7, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Simple is getting PWND constantly…what a LOSER.
CWforFreedom on November 7, 2009 at 11:35 AM
If the commies have the votes – I still think the Republicans should walk out and hold a press conference on the steps while the vote is taking place. Make them own every single solitary piece of this POS.
gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 11:35 AM
dogsoldier on November 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM
You don’t have to be conservative to believe in the concept of fiscal conservatism, especially when it is in your vested interest to become one in order to eliminate the opposition and consolidate power.
technopeasant on November 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM
I can’t believe I’m actually in Washington when this is all going down…ugh.
Emily M. on November 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM
LOL!
VegasRick on November 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Assuming that ObamaCare is beaten back, Palin’s place in her fellow countrymen’s hearts will be solidified. Along with the various organizations, Tea Party folks, and the liberty preserving citizens who called, emailed, faxed, tweeted, and visited Capitol Hill, her voice from the mere platform of Facebook account helped stop a dark force from turning the US into a Leftist Purgatory State.
If she ever seeks to become POTUS, Palin will have my support.
itzWicks on November 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Yep. Everyday.
VegasRick on November 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Sarah steps up to the plate again, unlike some others.
Where are Huck, TPaw and Jindal? Its inexplicable that they would pretend to lead and yet be silent now. (As for Mittens, I prefer that he remain silent. He is completely compromised on the issue and cannot help us or himself.)
james23 on November 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM
I see you have no witty retorts for any of my posts, because you know I nailed you down to exactly the kind of simpleton that you are.
Only a sadist would come here and post nothing but drivel in the hopes of upsetting people, and a masochist for taking it…..thus proving, once again, that you and your ilk, and your brand of liberalism is based on a mental defect.
Jerome Horwitz on November 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM
True, and the government influence certainly throws a wrench in the system.
However, I don’t think there’s enough of this type of study going on.
AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM
He should be in Ft. Hood… helping to keep everyone from jumping to conclusions…
jana on November 7, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Who is this simplesimon creature?
james23 on November 7, 2009 at 11:41 AM
According to Biden, that’s three words.
Bishop on November 7, 2009 at 11:41 AM
jana on November 7, 2009 at 11:40 AM
But, instead, he’s trying to force this p.o.s. Healthcare Reform bill down America’s throats, because Soros told him to.
kingsjester on November 7, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Dingleberry has the gavel. Overseeing the Detroit-ification of America.
Ted Torgerson on November 7, 2009 at 11:42 AM
There you go, Simon. I helped show you the other side of your thinking. Your house must have tempered glass walls.
How about the brilliant Obama giving a shout out to a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient who was not a recipient of said honor? LOL. He himself bestowed the Metal of Freedom on the recipient in August. That’s worthy of a SNL jab for cluelessness. hahaha
Not even W. or Palin are that much a bumbling idiot.
Bless your heart, Simon.
PalmettoPatriot on November 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM
For reference from prior posting: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-bates/2009/11/06/obama-gives-shout-out-congressional-medal-honor-winner-who-isnt
PalmettoPatriot on November 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Our little pet socialist troll.
kahall on November 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Read the literature. Obviously everyone would like more of this to be done, but it is one thing to do it properly and quite another to do it with a foregone conclusion in mind. No different than having congresscritter attornys trying to be experts on climate science or economics. Good research trumps political agendas every time,….that is, if you want the truth.
a capella on November 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Its mother was a victim of Chernobyl
CWforFreedom on November 7, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Ed – can we get a post for liveblogging to debate like Michelle has?
One post would be easier to check through the day than 4.
Thanks!
gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Here’s your answer
beachgirlusa on November 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM
As much as I love her politics and vision, I think she should just play a support role for Conservatives, with a capital “C”, in 2012. She can gather support, campaign about Democrat legislation, gain credibility, and then sweep the 2016 election, when the country will be ready for a real Conservative government. Unfortunately, I don’s see a real GOP candidate anywhere on the horizon for 2012.
ultracon on November 7, 2009 at 11:50 AM
And I should add that if Conservatives make a large dent in the House and Senate in 2012, Odumbo will be neutered anyway.
ultracon on November 7, 2009 at 11:51 AM
She gets grouchy when no one requests her company at closing time so she comes here the next day and takes it out on us.
a capella on November 7, 2009 at 11:51 AM
The best advice regarding simon and all other trolls is:
Answer not a fool according to his folly, Lest thou also be like unto him.
Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words
beachgirlusa on November 7, 2009 at 11:53 AM
***
Another excellent “sniper shot from the woods” by the Sarah’Cuda hits the target–and draws blood.
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Don’t expect SanFranNan to show up for the fight. She is too busy hiding in the castle–like Marie Antoinette did–as the peasants revolted in the streets outside.
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Meanwhile–Sarah is sharpening up the Guillotine in preparation for the 2010 and 2012 elections.
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SARAH PALIN for POTUS, JOHN BOLTON for VP. No more RINO’s, no more “democRAT” / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist candidates. Close the Republican primaries and “tea party” these evil clowns at every opportunity.
***
John Bibb
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rocketman on November 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Back to the woman with the 6-year degree from Beauty College v. BHO. I have 2 words for you race fans:
Katie
Couric
simplesimon on November 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Round two will indicate the end of Catie’s career.
heshtesh on November 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM
That is classic. Just like “Death Panels”, leave it to Governor Palin to be able to characterize the debate in the terms in which it needs to be framed. Who says she is isn’t ready to be president?
scrubjay on November 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM
This is what panic looks like.
Jim Treacher on November 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM
In the spirit of mutual education, there are 50 states in the union.
ROCnPhilly on November 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM
I’m surprised simpleseamen can put two words together, impressed even.
javamartini on November 7, 2009 at 12:01 PM
I forget, did Obama go to all 57 states to explain his health care plan? I’m sure Biden was explaining that the health care bill would boost the economy with a 3-letter word, J-O-B-S.
deidre on November 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Lying and ad hominem arguments are all you’ve got, troll
and you’re so Dim you don’t realize you embarrass yourself every time you post
Janos Hunyadi on November 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM
she is easily the best leader the conservative movement has right now.
ousoonerfan15 on November 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM
I would direct you towards Mike Pence from Indiana.
ladyhawke53 on November 7, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Wow, Palin is relentless in her attacks on this atrocious Pelosi bill. Thank God for this woman.
Where the heck is Romney? Pawlenty? Huckster? Daniels? Barbour? I have not heard a peep from any of them.
Norwegian on November 7, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Maybe she can make coffee,file, and pick up the GOP drycleaning?
katy the mean old lady on November 7, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Thank God for Sarah Palin. She fights for the 53% or there abouts who are against this bill.
Annietxgrl on November 7, 2009 at 12:08 PM
That Facebook account reaches 940,000 plus, idiot. So it seems quite few of her fans have internet access as well. You are not a fan but you sure seem to care about her post, again, idiot!
bluemarlin on November 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Where is the relevance of Katie Couric on PelosiCare?
Defend your Pelosicare or get out of the way.
I defend Sarah Palin’s position against PelosiCare.
Why? Simple. US$15000 is not on my budget anytime soon and I don’t want to spend a day in jail. And I don’t want anyone, especially the Government, invading my moments of privacy when doing my own Personal Finance.
The 2-year Governor knows about Budgeting more than the majority in the Congress, the people who are supposed to be principled and wise when it comes to Federal budgeting, their Constitutionally mandated job.
TheAlamos on November 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM
It’s closer to 970,000 now and climbing.
Clyde5445 on November 7, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Are you sure? Simplesimon’s master, BHO, said there are 57 states in the Union.
Basil Fawlty on November 7, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Pelosi, Reid and Obama forgot that you need a vibrant economy (in other words- NOT 10% unemployment) before you can lull enough suckers with this kind of “Emergency action is needed for Health Care!” blather to ram through a corrupt bill (to secure power, hire thousands of friends and relatives and supporters) that will then damage the U.S. economy.
They put the spending cart before the earning horse.
And that horse- the voters- will now kick them in their stupid, bassackwards teeth.
Sarah has a few sugar cubes ready to reward it.
Cut taxes; drill here, drill now; and stop statism.
profitsbeard on November 7, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Statism:
atheling on November 7, 2009 at 12:29 PM
I’m guessing there is a dumb cheerleader joke in there somewhere.
clement on November 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM
No, no, no, no, no …
Couric has a degree in American Studies. See she was a cheerleader and looking for a “stud.” See?
ExpressoBold on November 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM
It is their subconscious saying, “Vote me out in 2010 along with any other incompetents.”
snaggletoothie on November 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM
I understand that it is near impossible to embarrass her. Supposedly she was thrown out of a very liberal open-air debate for get this…
Humping on a parking pole! In Eugene, Oregon of all places. And believe me, if you ever got a look at this one, she makes Race Car fans look absolutely Park Avenue.
hawkdriver on November 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM
That is . . . I have no words. Unbelievable.
NoLeftTurn on November 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM
I actually am coming from a book, “Blink.” There’s a fascinating story about protocol for evaluating heart attack risks in ER rooms.
It’s effective. It was published. It’s tested. Doctors hated it. Why? It was too simple.
So they go through all this ridiculous mumbo jumbo in history-taking so that they feel important?
Ridiculous.
AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:42 PM
What do these aides do, anyway, besides book their flights to Europe?
AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Speechless over that.
bluemarlin on November 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Simple, when you decide to take a break from cementing your status as a worthless troll, go turn on CNN. Roosevelt is giving a televised speech on the stock market crash…
joejm65 on November 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Keep calling!!!!!
According to Michelle on her site – vote is postpone until at least 10:30 EST tonight.
Keep calling!!!!!!
gophergirl on November 7, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Man do I adore this woman. I think that it is time to let the Conservative women, who have more balls than the men anyway, run things for a while.
Palin, Bachmann and Liz Cheney is a great start. Maybe they will let a guy be VP if he shows some guts!
ReaganConservative3 on November 7, 2009 at 12:48 PM
I want that in America. And European healthcare.
hawkdriver on November 7, 2009 at 12:49 PM
I’ve seen that chart several times. I think Beck even had it up one time. Just can’t sort it out, sorry. Guess the rest of you can, but it’s just too ‘busy’ for me. I need something simpler. Anyone got anything or know where to get it?
jeanie on November 7, 2009 at 12:51 PM
OK, let me get this straight. Her Facebook postings are “dopey”, but yet enough of a threat for you to say they must be ghostwritten. Now if they’re ghostwritten, you’re going after the wrong person. Strange thought processes there, race fan.
ddrintn on November 7, 2009 at 12:56 PM
i got this in my email and it feels like a love letter.
*swoon*
ted c on November 7, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Which I would suppose includes you, consdering your intense interest in whatever the woman does.
ddrintn on November 7, 2009 at 12:57 PM
That is the point of it all. It is too busy. That is why this bill needs to be defeated. It is a maze of complicated gobbledygook that will mire anyone who attempts to navigate it into a tar pit of death.
scrubjay on November 7, 2009 at 12:57 PM
And it’s simpler than the Baucus bill. LOL*
I agree with you. I read Brook’s article, “What do independents want?” and laughed. Good grief, he overthinks.
They want something that isn’t obviously a convoluted nightmare. That’s what.
AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Good Post. Here is Britain’s Daily Mail Online Coverage of the same story. There are as of now 350 comments to that Daily mail story and here are three comments that depict the majority view of those commentators:
“Oh my goodness this is a terrible story and the previous comments were right. Britain has become a nazi country, telling people who should or shouldnt have children. Im due in 3 weeks, and in her position, I would run to another country if this happened to me.”
2. “How petty, and how monstrous. Govt is too big, too powerful, too expensive, and too opressive.”
1. “I really hope they make it and show the nazi social services in Fife how wrong they are !!!
The Very Best of Luck to you BOTH
And as for Stephen In London…
This baby WOULDN’T be illegitimate if the SS hadn’t STOPPED the wedding”
Why this story and others like it in Britain are important in relationship to America is because they depict how the socialist Government of Britain has brought Britain to the brink of ruination and socialism is what Obama and the Democratic congress is trying very hard to bring to America bigtime.
If you want to understand how socialism under the Blair/Brown goverments in Britain has reduced Britain to virtually a bannana dictatorship read the Daily Mail Online for about a month. The kind of socialism that has dragged Britain down is what Obama and the Democratic congress keep trying to force down American’s throats in ever bigger and bigger chunks.
Basil Fawlty on November 7, 2009 at 1:04 PM
GOP politicians care more about preserving their own skin than putting their necks on the line for the very people who put them into power. Remaining in the status quo is safer than being part of a conservative revolutionary movement. Sarah has nothing to lose by being true to her ideals. For the others, they are playing a chess game with all our lives.
Christina_M on November 7, 2009 at 1:06 PM
I distinctly heard a “bitch” in there…
mojo on November 7, 2009 at 1:08 PM
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Del Dolemonte on November 7, 2009 at 1:10 PM
I WANT THIS WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
jimmy2shoes on November 7, 2009 at 1:11 PM
And we’re all very confident that effectiveness will win out over cost considerations every time, huh? I mean, c’mon, every human life is worth it, right? Right?? RIGHT???????
The very fact that cost is even a consideration tells the story. For some people, depending on factors unique to them and beyond their human-ness, the costs will be quite high just to provide some small delta in life length. Cost WILL be a factor, and death WILL be a decision someone else will make.
So call it what you will, the outcome is the same.
karl9000 on November 7, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Here’s the bottom line: Obamacare = 1 800 URDEAD!
indypat on November 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Spoken by the idiot who voted for a guy who claimed that there are 57 states in the US, and who also said that “Austrian” is a language.
Del Dolemonte on November 7, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Humping on a parking pole! In Eugene, Oregon of all places. And believe me, if you ever got a look at this one, she makes Race Car fans look absolutely Park Avenue.
hawkdriver on November 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM
simplesimon on November 7, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Fixed.
Del Dolemonte on November 7, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Funny how after all the statements from Pelosi et al. this is now an Historic vote that is like Social Security and Medicare
One of the even said that this has been talked about for 100 years (and of course the yada yada about Truman)
it is odd that “progessives” love paradigms that were “new thought” half a century ago or more
And yet, progressives can’t see that themselves, they actually think that single payer is good
they actually want to re-create HMOs, even though they were unpopular.
they want to pass this quickly before they lose power and in spite of over 50% opposing the bill
they want to spend trillions of dollars after all sane people know that the US is in financial trouble
so who are these “progressive”? Not small d democrats for sure
r keller on November 7, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Uh, unless they’re identical twins, that’s Carville.
platypus on November 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Yeah, they have to keep your face fed, so we’ll all have to do without.
ddrintn on November 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Does anyone seriously think that a government panel is going to sift through, study and understand all of the medical literature and research in order to decide what constitutes best medical practice?
Or tailor that information to best serve individual patients?
Let alone make dispassionate policies based on best medical practice rather than on politics?
Good luck with that.
When grandma is denied a pacemaker or other procedure because comparative studies show that, on average, most patients over a certain age don’t survive for more than X number of years beyond that procedure, see how that makes you feel.
So you or your doc dial up the government panel (ha!) and say, “But Grandma is 80 years old and in robust health compared to the average 80 year old and would likely survive decades with a pacemaker.”
Right. You betcha.
justltl on November 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Mitt? Huck? Beuller? Beuller…?
miConsevative on November 7, 2009 at 1:55 PM
I don’t intend to feed the troll. I asked about its identity because I thought I recognized its comment style, very similar to a certain blogette who, among other things, bounces from blog to blog peeing in every Palin thread. But if the thing’s ID is not yet confirmed, I’ll keep my suspicions to myself.
james23 on November 7, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Anyone who believes that a govenment run health care system in this country will not rapidly devolve into a simple rationing board (death panel) is delusional or an idiot or both.
justltl on November 7, 2009 at 1:56 PM
simplesimon
as a “race fan” I do object to the destruction of so many black babies. It’s one way for the Progressives to cap a minority and keep down their growth in population.
elclynn on November 7, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Katie has a beauty college degree? Who knew?
Seriously, Simple, it’s a huge mistake to underestimate Palin. Although I’ve liked her from day one, I was afraid the media had done it’s job. She has since proven to be tough, consistent, and inspiring. I’m thrilled she is in the game and your team freaks out every time she scores. Sarah is a winner, regardless of how wee wee’d up you may get over it.
Lightswitch on November 7, 2009 at 2:41 PM
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: the women in the conservative movement are the only ones with balls.
…and the Left hates ‘em for it.
HAnthonyWayne on November 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Margaret Sanger did not like dirty little poor babies. That’s why she wanted to eliminate them. For their own good, you see.
bloggless on November 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Nevermind rationing board. There will be TWO levels of care. One for the elites, and on for the rest of us. You can bet your liver on it. TWO SEPERATE BUT EQUAL SYSTEMS. If you think Teri Hatcher and her wonk eye will be waiting in the same waiting room, you are a fool.
bloggless on November 7, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Short of the fact that someone doesn’t get born, I don’t see any way it would affect one’s ability to succeed in the future.
You need to get off this thread and get a life you moron.
Chaz706 on November 7, 2009 at 3:04 PM
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