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	<title>Comments on: Gregg: CBO cost estimate of Pelosi Plan $3 trillion; Update: Heritage says $2.4T</title>
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		<title>By: Health Care Reform and Driving Away the Object of Our Covetousness &#171; Notes From Babel</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2926679</link>
		<dc:creator>Health Care Reform and Driving Away the Object of Our Covetousness &#171; Notes From Babel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] traditional American industrial model.  With the plan now passed by the House&#8212;with a cost estimated as high as $3 trillion to re-appropriated from one group of Americans to another&#8212;something like 15% of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] traditional American industrial model.  With the plan now passed by the House&#8212;with a cost estimated as high as $3 trillion to re-appropriated from one group of Americans to another&#8212;something like 15% of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pelosi Passes Government Take-Over of Health Care : Washington Memo</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2925533</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelosi Passes Government Take-Over of Health Care : Washington Memo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] includes a so-called &#8220;public option&#8221;, which independent studies have confirmed will cost trillions of dollars and shove tens of millions of Americans off their private insurance plans. Which is just fine for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] includes a so-called &#8220;public option&#8221;, which independent studies have confirmed will cost trillions of dollars and shove tens of millions of Americans off their private insurance plans. Which is just fine for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Study in Occam's Razor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Study in Occam's Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Higher and Higher the Healthcare Cost Goes...&lt;/strong&gt;

It should come as no surprise to my readers that the Pelosi Obamacare Health plan has now spiraled to the dizzying cost of $3 TRILLION dollars over 10 years (snick).&#160; I forecast back August that the&#160;health care plan would get to 4 trillion d....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Higher and Higher the Healthcare Cost Goes&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>It should come as no surprise to my readers that the Pelosi Obamacare Health plan has now spiraled to the dizzying cost of $3 TRILLION dollars over 10 years (snick).&nbsp; I forecast back August that the&nbsp;health care plan would get to 4 trillion d&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Daemonocracy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2924909</link>
		<dc:creator>Daemonocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Gregg going run to for re-election?  I really like this guy and we need him in the Senate but I heard he wasn&#039;t going to run?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Gregg going run to for re-election?  I really like this guy and we need him in the Senate but I heard he wasn&#8217;t going to run?</p>
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		<title>By: veteranoutrage</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2924703</link>
		<dc:creator>veteranoutrage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.veteranoutrage.com

I told you this is a damned communist takeover.
I told you the numbers dont match reality..

Hell this is the latest assumption 
which assumes nothing at all will go 
WRONG..

MORONS..</description>
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<p>I told you this is a damned communist takeover.<br />
I told you the numbers dont match reality..</p>
<p>Hell this is the latest assumption<br />
which assumes nothing at all will go<br />
WRONG..</p>
<p>MORONS..</p>
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		<title>By: True cost of health care: $3 trillion &#124; Matthew Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>True cost of health care: $3 trillion &#124; Matthew Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comes from Senator Judd Gregg and includes some funny math. You can read an explanation of that at HotAir. Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH), ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee today commented on the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] comes from Senator Judd Gregg and includes some funny math. You can read an explanation of that at HotAir. Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH), ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee today commented on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GW_SS-Delta</title>
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		<dc:creator>GW_SS-Delta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take me away, to a secret place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take me away, to a secret place.</p>
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		<title>By: GarandFan</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2921659</link>
		<dc:creator>GarandFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So IF Barry is &quot;honest&quot; he won&#039;t sign the bill, having said that he won&#039;t sign &#039;a trillion dollar health care bill&#039;.

Problem is, is Barry &quot;honest&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So IF Barry is &#8220;honest&#8221; he won&#8217;t sign the bill, having said that he won&#8217;t sign &#8216;a trillion dollar health care bill&#8217;.</p>
<p>Problem is, is Barry &#8220;honest&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: onlineanalyst</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2921599</link>
		<dc:creator>onlineanalyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another representative told the tale of his nephew whose infant son has liver cancer.  That situation is most pitiful, for who wants to see a child suffer.  Yet the rep says that the child is fortunated to have the exhorbitant bills paid because the nephew and his wife have excellent coverage through their employment health plans.  

What happens if those employers decide to drop that excellent coverage because it is more economically feasible for them to stay in business if the government insurance plan picks up the tab?  Will the government plan offer the best care...or will a bureaucratic panel decide that covering that child for who knows how long is just not a wise rationing of resources?

Honestly, these people do not think through their one-size-fits-all solutions.

Kill the bill.  The federal government has no business in the health-insurance business, especially in demanding mandates and determining level of care or coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another representative told the tale of his nephew whose infant son has liver cancer.  That situation is most pitiful, for who wants to see a child suffer.  Yet the rep says that the child is fortunated to have the exhorbitant bills paid because the nephew and his wife have excellent coverage through their employment health plans.  </p>
<p>What happens if those employers decide to drop that excellent coverage because it is more economically feasible for them to stay in business if the government insurance plan picks up the tab?  Will the government plan offer the best care&#8230;or will a bureaucratic panel decide that covering that child for who knows how long is just not a wise rationing of resources?</p>
<p>Honestly, these people do not think through their one-size-fits-all solutions.</p>
<p>Kill the bill.  The federal government has no business in the health-insurance business, especially in demanding mandates and determining level of care or coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2921591</link>
		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/07/cbo-new-house-health-bill-spending-estimate-3-trillion-over-10-years/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CBO&lt;/a&gt;: New House Health Bill Spending Estimate, $3 Trillion over 10 Years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/07/cbo-new-house-health-bill-spending-estimate-3-trillion-over-10-years/" rel="nofollow">CBO</a>: New House Health Bill Spending Estimate, $3 Trillion over 10 Years</p>
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		<title>By: onlineanalyst</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2921587</link>
		<dc:creator>onlineanalyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I have caught on C-Span, the Dems are loading up their one-minute pleas with anecdotal bleeding-heart stories that imply that all of America finds itself in these straits of being uninsured or underinsured.  There are methods to resolve everyone of those narratives without destroying a whole sector of the economy by having the federal government as both insurer and overseer.

One clown from MA (from MA, where carrying insurance is mandated?!?!!) told the sad tale of a mother who goes to bed, worrying that her child&#039;s health care will not be covered. Do these congresscritters audition on Oprah before they speak on the House floor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I have caught on C-Span, the Dems are loading up their one-minute pleas with anecdotal bleeding-heart stories that imply that all of America finds itself in these straits of being uninsured or underinsured.  There are methods to resolve everyone of those narratives without destroying a whole sector of the economy by having the federal government as both insurer and overseer.</p>
<p>One clown from MA (from MA, where carrying insurance is mandated?!?!!) told the sad tale of a mother who goes to bed, worrying that her child&#8217;s health care will not be covered. Do these congresscritters audition on Oprah before they speak on the House floor?</p>
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		<title>By: Cheshire Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheshire Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Granny&#039;s sent home with some pills in a plastic bag
Hurrah! Hurrah!
Obama will give her a hearty high five then
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The Emanuels will cheer, the Kevorkians will shout
The eugenicists they will all turn out
And the old folks will all be dead by Christmas time next year!

Get ready for the Ezekiel Emanuel Jubilee
Hurrah! Hurrah!
He’ll give Herr Obama three times three
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The Doctor of Life and Death degree is ready now
For Hemlock Pelosi to place upon Herr Obama’s Godly brow
And they will both feel so happy and gay
When Pallbearers carry Grandma and Grandpa to the funeral home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Granny&#8217;s sent home with some pills in a plastic bag<br />
Hurrah! Hurrah!<br />
Obama will give her a hearty high five then<br />
Hurrah! Hurrah!<br />
The Emanuels will cheer, the Kevorkians will shout<br />
The eugenicists they will all turn out<br />
And the old folks will all be dead by Christmas time next year!</p>
<p>Get ready for the Ezekiel Emanuel Jubilee<br />
Hurrah! Hurrah!<br />
He’ll give Herr Obama three times three<br />
Hurrah! Hurrah!<br />
The Doctor of Life and Death degree is ready now<br />
For Hemlock Pelosi to place upon Herr Obama’s Godly brow<br />
And they will both feel so happy and gay<br />
When Pallbearers carry Grandma and Grandpa to the funeral home</p>
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		<title>By: Gateway Pundit</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2921526</link>
		<dc:creator>Gateway Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Judd Gregg (R-NH) says the Pelosi plan will cost the nation $3 Trillion (at least). Heritage says it will cost $2.4 Trillion.     Comments [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Judd Gregg (R-NH) says the Pelosi plan will cost the nation $3 Trillion (at least). Heritage says it will cost $2.4 Trillion.     Comments [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bloviator</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2921517</link>
		<dc:creator>bloviator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the vernacular of the proletariat... &lt;em&gt;we&#039;re f*cked&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the vernacular of the proletariat&#8230; <em>we&#8217;re f*cked</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick neid</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2921498</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick neid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actual cost of the program is irrelevant. We jumped the shark on the value of money and spending last year. Previously we measured bills in billions. Trillions are the new handle.

The amounts no longer matter because we will never be paying back the money printed for the bill. All we are really talking about is the when, where and how the default takes place

But for pretend purposes whatever the consensus number arrived at, triple it to have a more realist idea of the real cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actual cost of the program is irrelevant. We jumped the shark on the value of money and spending last year. Previously we measured bills in billions. Trillions are the new handle.</p>
<p>The amounts no longer matter because we will never be paying back the money printed for the bill. All we are really talking about is the when, where and how the default takes place</p>
<p>But for pretend purposes whatever the consensus number arrived at, triple it to have a more realist idea of the real cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff from WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff from WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few TRILLION here, a few TRILLION there and add them up and we could be talkin&#039; some real money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few TRILLION here, a few TRILLION there and add them up and we could be talkin&#8217; some real money.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/gregg-cbo-cost-estimate-of-pelosi-plan-3-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-2921469</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am for a public option. I am not for a large government-run bill such as being offered by EITHER the house or the senate.

It’s unworkable.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 2:20 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ann, a public option &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a large government run program. That is what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am for a public option. I am not for a large government-run bill such as being offered by EITHER the house or the senate.</p>
<p>It’s unworkable.</p>
<p>AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 2:20 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Ann, a public option <em>is</em> a large government run program. That is what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, eventually it will become obvious how much this will cost. They can guess, or lie, or whatever right now, but in time people will know the true cost of it all and it might actually hurt the Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, eventually it will become obvious how much this will cost. They can guess, or lie, or whatever right now, but in time people will know the true cost of it all and it might actually hurt the Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: uknowmorethanme</title>
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		<dc:creator>uknowmorethanme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are convicted of a felony, you lose your right to vote.  Failure to comply with &lt;a href=&quot;http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pelosicare&lt;/a&gt; can carry a FELONY charge.

Technically, if you refuse to buy health insurance, the Federal Government can take away your right to vote.

Think about that:  THEY CAN TAKE AWAY YOUR VOTING RIGHTS FOR NOT BUYING GOVERNMENT APPROVED HEALTH INSURANCE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are convicted of a felony, you lose your right to vote.  Failure to comply with <a href="http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583" rel="nofollow">Pelosicare</a> can carry a FELONY charge.</p>
<p>Technically, if you refuse to buy health insurance, the Federal Government can take away your right to vote.</p>
<p>Think about that:  THEY CAN TAKE AWAY YOUR VOTING RIGHTS FOR NOT BUYING GOVERNMENT APPROVED HEALTH INSURANCE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarian types are live-blogging the PelosiCare debate at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/live-blog-pelosicare-comes-before-the-house&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;United Liberty&lt;/a&gt;.

Join the fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarian types are live-blogging the PelosiCare debate at <a href="http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/live-blog-pelosicare-comes-before-the-house" rel="nofollow">United Liberty</a>.</p>
<p>Join the fun!</p>
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		<title>By: bluegrass</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluegrass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ShameWow Health Care by Obama and Company</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ShameWow Health Care by Obama and Company</p>
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		<title>By: progressoverpeace</title>
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		<dc:creator>progressoverpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am for a public option. I am not for a large government-run bill such as being offered by EITHER the house or the senate.

It’s unworkable.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 2:20 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Blue Cross family of insurance companies are non-profits and they service over 1/3 of Americans.  What would a government run non-profit be any different from Blue Cross in doing?  Is there a difference between a non-profit and a government run company?  If so, what is the difference?

It&#039;s amazing that throughout this whole debate there has been nary a mention of the fact that our health insurance system is already rife with non-profits.  The idea that the government owned non-profit would be anything different (when the Traitor-in-Chief went out of his way to claim that the new Fannie Med would follow all the same laws and rules that normal insurance companies have to) is just insane in the extreme.

Please detail any differences between a non-profit insurance company (or any of the many existing co-ops around) and a government run Fannie Med.

Then you can explain the advantage in trashing our Constitution and destroying the limited government that this nation is based on and without which this nation shall no longer exist.

BTW, you can kiss good-bye to medical advancement with the government&#039;s heavy hand moving in to control health care.  We saw a glimpse of this with Shrillary&#039;s asinine vacination industry destruction in the small section of health care whe was able to destroy in her &#039;93 jihad against America:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hillary&#039;s Vaccine Shortage

By The Wall Street Journal  August 15, 2003

Everyone knows America&#039;s vaccine industry is in serious trouble, with an ever dwindling number of producers and recent severe vaccine shortages. What everyone also should know is that the National Academy of Science&#039;s Institute of Medicine has now pinned much of the blame on Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Well, not in so many words. The panel of doctors and economists issuing a report on vaccines last week was too polite to mention the former First Lady by name. But they identify as a fundamental cause of the problem the fact that the government purchases 55% of the childhood vaccine market at forced discount prices. The result has been &quot;declining financial incentives to develop and produce vaccines.&quot;

The root of this government role goes back to August 1993, when Congress passed Mrs. Clinton&#039;s Vaccines for Children program. A dream of Hillary&#039;s friends at the Children&#039;s Defense Fund, her vaccines plan was to use federal power to ensure universal immunization. So the government agreed to purchase a third of the national vaccine supply (the Clintons had pushed for 100%) at a forced discount of half price, then distribute it to doctors to deliver to the poor and the un- and under-insured.

The result is a cautionary tale for anyone who favors national health care. Already very high in 1993, childhood vaccination rates barely budged. A General Accounting Office report at the time noted that &quot;vaccines are already free&quot; for the truly needy through programs like Medicaid. Meanwhile, however, the Hillary project dealt the vaccine industry another financial body blow.

Thirty years ago, the Institute report notes, 25 companies produced vaccines for the U.S. market. Today only five remain, and a number of critical shots have only one producer. Recent years have brought shortages of numerous vaccines, including those for whooping cough, diphtheria and chicken pox.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s also interesting how this has not been a topic of discussion as we have shortages in both swine flu vaccine, even as the geniuses in the feral government have declared this to be a national emergency, and regular flu vaccine, as well.

American health care costs more because we fund all the R+D for everyone.  If we stop funding it, the advancement stops, because no one else has the profits in their health care systems to build such industries, infrastructures, supply systems, procedures, ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am for a public option. I am not for a large government-run bill such as being offered by EITHER the house or the senate.</p>
<p>It’s unworkable.</p>
<p>AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 2:20 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>The Blue Cross family of insurance companies are non-profits and they service over 1/3 of Americans.  What would a government run non-profit be any different from Blue Cross in doing?  Is there a difference between a non-profit and a government run company?  If so, what is the difference?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing that throughout this whole debate there has been nary a mention of the fact that our health insurance system is already rife with non-profits.  The idea that the government owned non-profit would be anything different (when the Traitor-in-Chief went out of his way to claim that the new Fannie Med would follow all the same laws and rules that normal insurance companies have to) is just insane in the extreme.</p>
<p>Please detail any differences between a non-profit insurance company (or any of the many existing co-ops around) and a government run Fannie Med.</p>
<p>Then you can explain the advantage in trashing our Constitution and destroying the limited government that this nation is based on and without which this nation shall no longer exist.</p>
<p>BTW, you can kiss good-bye to medical advancement with the government&#8217;s heavy hand moving in to control health care.  We saw a glimpse of this with Shrillary&#8217;s asinine vacination industry destruction in the small section of health care whe was able to destroy in her &#8217;93 jihad against America:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hillary&#8217;s Vaccine Shortage</p>
<p>By The Wall Street Journal  August 15, 2003</p>
<p>Everyone knows America&#8217;s vaccine industry is in serious trouble, with an ever dwindling number of producers and recent severe vaccine shortages. What everyone also should know is that the National Academy of Science&#8217;s Institute of Medicine has now pinned much of the blame on Hillary Rodham Clinton.</p>
<p>Well, not in so many words. The panel of doctors and economists issuing a report on vaccines last week was too polite to mention the former First Lady by name. But they identify as a fundamental cause of the problem the fact that the government purchases 55% of the childhood vaccine market at forced discount prices. The result has been &#8220;declining financial incentives to develop and produce vaccines.&#8221;</p>
<p>The root of this government role goes back to August 1993, when Congress passed Mrs. Clinton&#8217;s Vaccines for Children program. A dream of Hillary&#8217;s friends at the Children&#8217;s Defense Fund, her vaccines plan was to use federal power to ensure universal immunization. So the government agreed to purchase a third of the national vaccine supply (the Clintons had pushed for 100%) at a forced discount of half price, then distribute it to doctors to deliver to the poor and the un- and under-insured.</p>
<p>The result is a cautionary tale for anyone who favors national health care. Already very high in 1993, childhood vaccination rates barely budged. A General Accounting Office report at the time noted that &#8220;vaccines are already free&#8221; for the truly needy through programs like Medicaid. Meanwhile, however, the Hillary project dealt the vaccine industry another financial body blow.</p>
<p>Thirty years ago, the Institute report notes, 25 companies produced vaccines for the U.S. market. Today only five remain, and a number of critical shots have only one producer. Recent years have brought shortages of numerous vaccines, including those for whooping cough, diphtheria and chicken pox.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting how this has not been a topic of discussion as we have shortages in both swine flu vaccine, even as the geniuses in the feral government have declared this to be a national emergency, and regular flu vaccine, as well.</p>
<p>American health care costs more because we fund all the R+D for everyone.  If we stop funding it, the advancement stops, because no one else has the profits in their health care systems to build such industries, infrastructures, supply systems, procedures, &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Heritage foundation cost of PelosiCARE: $2.6 Trillion! Judd Gregg $3 Trillion! &#124; Fire Andrea Mitchell!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heritage foundation cost of PelosiCARE: $2.6 Trillion! Judd Gregg $3 Trillion! &#124; Fire Andrea Mitchell!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] window from years 2014 to 2023), the giant House health bill carries a price tag of $2.4 trillion, or as much as $2.6 trillion with the “doc fix.”! According to RedState, Senator Judd Gregg: estimate of House Bill will cost $3 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] window from years 2014 to 2023), the giant House health bill carries a price tag of $2.4 trillion, or as much as $2.6 trillion with the “doc fix.”! According to RedState, Senator Judd Gregg: estimate of House Bill will cost $3 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marklmail</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raise taxes in &quot;the worst recession since the great depression&quot;. Now, I don&#039;t care if you stood before God himself and promised healcare &quot;reform&quot;. You don&#039;t take money out of the pockets of people now. Oh, and what about Obama chastising McCain for wanting to &quot;tax your healthcare benefits&quot;????? 

&lt;strong&gt;I am so furious right now. Our country/money/freedom is being STOLEN by the criminally insane Pelosi and Obama.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raise taxes in &#8220;the worst recession since the great depression&#8221;. Now, I don&#8217;t care if you stood before God himself and promised healcare &#8220;reform&#8221;. You don&#8217;t take money out of the pockets of people now. Oh, and what about Obama chastising McCain for wanting to &#8220;tax your healthcare benefits&#8221;????? </p>
<p><strong>I am so furious right now. Our country/money/freedom is being STOLEN by the criminally insane Pelosi and Obama.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: AnninCA</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psychology 101 – Ann has decided to use reverse psychology on the commenters of HA. It was Tuesday night that flipped her.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM
&lt;blockquote&gt;

Actually, I haven&#039;t changed my position in months on this issue.

I couldn&#039;t really tell where the bills were going to end up, so maybe you got that idea from some of the general discussions.

But I&#039;ve had my mind made up on public option for months.  I am for a public option.  I am not for a large government-run bill such as being offered by EITHER the house or the senate.

It&#039;s unworkable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psychology 101 – Ann has decided to use reverse psychology on the commenters of HA. It was Tuesday night that flipped her.</p>
<p>Schadenfreude on November 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM</p>
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<p>Actually, I haven&#8217;t changed my position in months on this issue.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t really tell where the bills were going to end up, so maybe you got that idea from some of the general discussions.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve had my mind made up on public option for months.  I am for a public option.  I am not for a large government-run bill such as being offered by EITHER the house or the senate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unworkable.</p></blockquote>
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