Why was Hasan still in the Army?

posted at 9:30 am on November 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

About three hours ago, the AP finally joined the Washington Post and some other national news organizations in reporting the “troubling portrait” of Nidal Malik Hasan, the man believed responsible for 13 deaths and dozens of wounded at the world’s largest army base.  In hearing these details, many people wonder why the Army had ordered Hasan into a war zone — and perhaps why Hasan remained in the military at all:

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some “difficulties” that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time. …

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case. …

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

USA Today has even more this morning:

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.

“He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist,” McCaul said.

McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like “he didn’t fit in.”

“He’s disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn’t believe in the mission, he’s looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq,” McCaul said. “He’s not happy about all that.”

McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.

“From an intelligence standpoint, that’s key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas,” McCaul said.

With all of these red flags, why was Hasan still in position to get deployed into a war zone?  Why hadn’t the Army taken action to isolate Hasan, or remove him entirely?  A Hot Air reader who served as a medical officer at Fort Hood earlier in this decade explains that the military has a great reluctance to act against his former colleagues, and that promotion of marginal medical officers is not unusual at all:

It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years. With a little more work and additional schooling, you could make full Colonel. But basically you can set your clock to getting promoted every 7 years. So he may have had one bad report, but probably did barely enough to get him through the promotion board. But we don’t know what “bad” means…he may have simply failed the physical fitness tests, or he may have no clinical skills at all.

The Army has a unique way of handling providers who pose an obvious threat to soldiers they are supposed to care for. We had one dental officer who practiced dentistry far below the standard of care. He was moved first to doing examinations only (the most benign job) and eventually moved to an administrative job. The Army unfortunately can’t fire anyone, they just take them out of the equation or move them around to where they can’t hurt anyone. Being released from the military is a different story. Hasan’s obligation to the military depends on how much ROTC time, medical school time and residency time added up to. So if the Army paid for his education, he is obligated to serve, and there’s almost no way out of that. He could pay the Army back that money and get out of the contract, but that’s a long, long paper trail. There’s always the conscientious objector route, but if he was sincere, and not the loon he is appearing to be, his chain of command (superior officers) might have exempted him from deployment. However, he is a medical officer and NOT a combat soldier, so that argument just about flies out the window, since his role is medical support, and not combat. I’ve heard a lot of ways out of deployment (ie Ehren Watada, Tina Mahuika) and each case is unique. Ultimately the final decision can be influenced by the chain of command’s perception of the officer.

So not only would the Army be highly reluctant to discharge him, Hasan probably had few options for leaving the service, assuming that the Army paid for his medical education. That explains his rank, and his predicament in getting shipped out to Iraq and/or Afghanistan.   As a medical officer and not (necessarily) a combat officer, the conscientious objector route would not have applied anyway.

We’ll keep up with this story during the day as more developments occur.

Update: I agree with Rick Moran to some extent that casting this as an example of a pending wave of Islamic jihad in the US is just a wee bit premature, as well as a pending wave of fraggings over US war policy, etc etc etc.  Hasan appears to be a lunatic whose motivations — at least as far as we know at this point — are entirely his own delusions.  We shouldn’t be afraid to report the facts, but we should be wary about drawing wide-reaching conclusions from them until we have a lot more certainty.


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Well, Hasan sure didn’t yell, “The South shall rise again” when he killed those kids.

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM

If he had, there’d be no question of motive in the MSM, that’s for sure.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM

All I’m am saying is that if Hasan was a militant Muslm who yelled out “Allahu Akbar” before he killed some of our best and britest, let’s not tiptoe around that fact. Now is not the time to be PC.

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM

popularpeoplesfront on November 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM

You have the distinct sound of a “concern-troll”.

Your front isn’t very popular here, maybe you should consider relocating to your people’s republic, of China that is.

Ta-ta, buh-buy!

Archimedes on November 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Please share with the class with which religion it is that abortion providers perform their services in the name of.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Atheism.

Ask a hard one.

SuperCool on November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
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Try again, fool.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I f they could be part of the collective garnering foodstamps and various other subsidies thus supporting a monolithic, growing bureaucracy Im sure they would have some friends on the left.

As of now their cash cow statis is better served as waste management.

Funny how its never really the right for an abortion as it is the right for someone else to pay for it.

Liberal sacriment, yet they refuse to want to pay for it themselves.

Odd

Sonosam on November 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Eugenics is one of the pillars of the atheist religion.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM

rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM

We agree almost zero percent of the time but I like Mr. Rywall. Can’t explain it.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 1:07 PM

I am a concerned citizen. My job allows internet access, but filtered. The vile and frequently profane Kos is OK, but Jihad Watch is not.

Everyone seems to be so concerned that vigilante groups will start targeting innocent Muslims because of the prominent roles of Muslim extremist savages in many of the world’s current difficulties.

Call these bastards out. Honor killings? Cowards all.

trl on November 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Try again, fool.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Your question was:

What religion do abortion providers perform the service in the name of.

I told you, the name of that religion is atheism; a belief that this is no God, life is cheap and meaningless and therefore easily disposed of without consequence or a second thought.

Try to keep up, douchebag.

SuperCool on November 6, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I can’t imagine what the people who received “treatment” from this man must be thinking. The person who is supposed to help these men and women through the horrific pain of PTSD and other issues turns out to be a whacked out crazy man. I hope this doesn’t cause any of them to lose faith in the system.

thevastlane on November 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM

What the heck are you talking about.

Sultry Beauty on November 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM

All I’m am saying is that if Hasan was a militant Muslm who yelled out “Allahu Akbar” before he killed some of our best and britest, let’s not tiptoe around that fact. Now is not the time to be PC.

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM

This is when there’s virtue to the internet. People are saying all kinds of stuff. The liberals are blaming Bush and the war. The conservatives are looking at terrorism.

It’s no different than seeing people comb over the VA Tech guy’s parents on-line.

I don’t think PC correctness is all that useful. People might as well say what they are thinking. The net is a safe way to do that.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Try again, fool.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Your question was:

What religion do abortion providers perform the service in the name of.

I told you, the name of that religion is atheism; a belief that this is no God, life is cheap and meaningless and therefore easily disposed of without consequence or a second thought.

Try to keep up, douchebag.

SuperCool on November 6, 2009 at 1:10 PM
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1
Your definition of atheism is amazingly stupid.

2
That you think it’s a religion is even more stupid.

3
But the most stupid thing of all: you have zero knowledge of the religious leanings of any abortion provider in your entire country yet you label them all as atheists.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Your moral equivalency straw men are ridiculous.

kirkill on November 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Libs can only use straw men. Note how they often call names, and answer direct questions with counter-questions in the same vein.

Like in the MSM: Hasan’s motive is questioned despite witness statements, yet when an abortion doctor is killed it’s automatically ‘know’ the killer was a Bible-thumper. What they all ignore is that when someone kills people shouting allahu akbar many around the world rejoice.

But when some nutcase kills an abortionist, Christian people tend to decry it as a sin. Yes, there are those who love the idea but but for the most part, such murderers are held in the same dim light as those KKK types who use the Bible to justify their hatred.

Libs tend to the lowest common denominator for their views and to attack their opponents. Yet their view is morally superior while using it to attack a majority who don’t think on such low levels.

It’s all libs have, it’s all they can be. Arguing with them is annoying, because they don’t want to persuade. They did in their heels and attack, attack, and attack–despite facts to the contrary of their world views.

Dealing with libs is to run the rim of madness, to possibly fall in. They want that, which is why they’ll justify a killer like Hasan but never condone the same kind of nutcase who murders abortionists.

In short, they’re nuts.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Irony is good. I am angry enough to wish a ham sandwich could have been worked into the scenario. Childish? You bet.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
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If he fell into a deep fryer full of hot bacon grease after getting shot by a woman it would have been awesome.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Infanticide is contrary to all faiths except atheism.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

Why are Muslims still in the United States?

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Your moral equivalency straw men are ridiculous.

kirkill on November 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Libs can only use straw men. Note how they often call names, and answer direct questions with counter-questions in the same vein.

Like in the MSM: Hasan’s motive is questioned despite witness statements, yet when an abortion doctor is killed it’s automatically ‘know’ the killer was a Bible-thumper. What they all ignore is that when someone kills people shouting allahu akbar many around the world rejoice.

But when some nutcase kills an abortionist, Christian people tend to decry it as a sin. Yes, there are those who love the idea but but for the most part, such murderers are held in the same dim light as those KKK types who use the Bible to justify their hatred.

Libs tend to the lowest common denominator for their views and to attack their opponents. Yet their view is morally superior while using it to attack a majority who don’t think on such low levels.

It’s all libs have, it’s all they can be. Arguing with them is annoying, because they don’t want to persuade. They did in their heels and attack, attack, and attack–despite facts to the contrary of their world views.

Dealing with libs is to run the rim of madness, to possibly fall in. They want that, which is why they’ll justify a killer like Hasan but never condone the same kind of nutcase who murders abortionists.

In short, they’re nuts.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM
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I know the abortion dr murderer is a Bible thumper based on the words spoken by the abortion dr murderer.

You would rather label the horrific act of murder as a sin that can be washed away by God if you truly are sorry you did it.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Infanticide is contrary to all faiths except atheism.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:20 PM
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2 dozen children on a bus died in that massive bomb in Iraq recently. So Islam is perfectly fine with killin’ kids.

Atheism isn’t a faith, fool.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

Why are Muslims still in the United States?

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM
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And why do you want to kick all the Muslims out of America?

How’s your campaign going to deport all the dirty Japanese?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Much better then a ham sandwich. Crispy, please.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Why are Muslims still in the United States?

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I greatly dislike Islam, but I’m not going to support ousting all mainstream Muslims.

However, religious/political *extremists* who support violence in the name of their “God”/”Cause” should absolutely be watched closely and, if violence does come forth, they should be removed from society.

EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Hasan appears to be a lunatic whose motivations — at least as far as we know at this point — are entirely his own delusions.

Is that oil base or water soluble white wash?

BL@KBIRD on November 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Is it OK to distrust muslims yet?

Mr Purple on November 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Hasan was just following the instructions in the koran.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM

1
Your definition of atheism is amazingly stupid.

2
That you think it’s a religion is even more stupid.

3
But the most stupid thing of all: you have zero knowledge of the religious leanings of any abortion provider in your entire country yet you label them all as atheists.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Hit a nerve, I see.

1. Atheism is a religion. Get over it. You guys hate other religions and embrace your beliefs with all the intensity and conviction of any other believer.

2. Nobody who butchers the unborn for a living can be anything other than Godless, no matter what they may say in a survey.

3. If everything I said was “stupid” why did you take the time to reply to it, cementhead?

SuperCool on November 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM

God forgives and that’s His choice alone. By the same token, which you don’t grasp, is that there is a penalty which might include the death sentence for murdering an abortionist. There is still justice, on Earth and afterward.

I’m also not going into a back-and-forth on theology; this isn’t the place for it. You just argue and insult, going on and on with no resolutions in sight.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

SuperCool is right.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM

For those who don’t think there is a correlation between Islamic extremists who support retaliatory violence in the name of their God and Christian extremists who support violence in favor of their God, then they are blind.

Both versions of these extremists believe they are avenging the deaths of innocents. Instead of exerting change by law, they’re imposing vigilante “justice”. It’s wrong, period. And it does nothing but cement opinion AGAINST their “cause”.

One of the GOOD things about Christianity is that there are far, far, FAR less violent extremists than Islamic ones.

EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Is it OK to distrust muslims yet?

Mr Purple on November 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM
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Only if you’ve finished distrusting all the Japanese and all the Germans.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

The Troll is an anti-theist religious extremist.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

The Troll is an anti-theist religious extremist.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM
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You forgot anti-dentite.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

The troll should not be responded to……………I guess the question would be which troll? Ha.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM

You are also a Troll.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM

How’s your campaign going to deport all the dirty Japanese?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Islam isn’t a Race… Dumba$$. At best it’s an Evil Cult of Murderous Zombies. You ignorant pr*ck.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I’m certain there are many more ticking jihadi time bombs in the military right now. I just hope there are none of them that could gain access to any weapons of mass destruction.

TrickyDick on November 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

The troll should not be responded to……………I guess the question would be which troll? Ha.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM

All of them. It just goes on and on and on, snide sarcasm followed by personal slander, then answering a question with a question. I find the terms ‘browbeat’ and ‘psychic vampire’ are applicable in most cases. They ‘win’ by wearing people out, without presenting a bona fide case of their own. It’s not just fruitless debating them, it’s worthless.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Only if you’ve finished distrusting all the Japanese and all the Germans.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

That was a terrible comparison.

awake on November 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

It was a Demonrat who interred the Japanese.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM

How’s your campaign going to deport all the dirty Japanese?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Islam isn’t a Race… Dumba$$. At best it’s an Evil Cult of Murderous Zombies. You ignorant pr*ck.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM
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I never said anything about race.

You said you wanted to deport all Muslims.

You interned (so did my stupid government) all your Japanese in WWII.

You’re so clueless you don’t see the parallel. That’s okay. I highly doubt anybody expects much from you, so don’t worry about it.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

I think there are more timb bombs out there than I would believe. I just hope that this guy’s jihad is not the start of others. But I guess we probably said that when the guy shot people in Little Rock.
BUT as the boss has written about there is many more of these shootings that go virtually unreported.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Typical Drive-by Troll. Runs out of gas and ammunition just when he pulls-up to his target. Pathetic…

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Only if you’ve finished distrusting all the Japanese and all the Germans.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

That was a terrible comparison.

awake on November 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM
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Country attacks you, you intern everybody of that background.

Muslims attack you and someone calls for the deportation of everybody who practices that religion.

Apples to apples.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

The latest guy in Orlando looks like a work-related mass murder.

2 dead so far, 8 injured.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 1:47 PM

You said you wanted to deport all Muslims.
Never said that a$$hole, and you know it. I’m clueless? Japanese and Germans are a Race… you made the connection, not me. I could run circles of Logic around you and people of your ilk all day long little boy.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Apples to apples.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Apples and Hand Grenades… $#!+ for brains.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM

OK, this guy did, yesterday, exactly what he believed and set out to do.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199492.php
I hope they waterboard him. He is not alone in his beliefs or his mission. They need to take off the flipping blinders and find his fellow jihadists.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Why are Muslims still in the United States?

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM
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It’s either you want them all deported or you think all of them are going to snap and kill people.

Now which is it, big smart boy?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM

big smart boy?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Finally! You got something right. Now go jump back in bed with your mommy.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Finally! You got something right. Now go jump back in bed with your mommy.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:51 PM
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It’s either you want them all deported or you think all of them are going to snap and kill people.

Now which is it, big smart boy?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Can you just give your tired act a rest?

I imagine you sprinted for the keyboard, in order to flay Americans in light of the inevitable posts regarding the murders at Fort Hood.

Congratulations Dave. You’ve been able to taunt people who are upset about our troops being murdered by one of their own.

I hope it makes you feel good about yourself. You’ve really picked up the torch for the disaffected. You’re a modern day Atticus Finch, that’s what you are.

NoDonkey on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I could run circles of Logic around you and people of your ilk all day long

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM

But it wouldn’t get through. Once you pin such people down, they switch tactics to sustain their stubborn point of view. The idea isn’t to discuss like you and non-trolls will exchange ideas. The desire among such people is to ‘win’ and nothing else. Facts need not be included but, if they are, they’re open to being skewed, questioned, and finally dismissed. That is often accomplished by the lib’s turning away from the point and on to something else, hoping for a win there.

It’s worthless. At least non-trolls seek to exchange ideas and information in a meaningful away, even if we disagree on a topic. But at least we come away having learned new things even if in the abstract.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Authorities were concerned about Fort Hood shooter because of Net postings about suicide bombings, etc. — but did nothing

Akzed on November 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Sounds like he gave off a lot more “vibes” than any of the 9/11, 19 did and still nothing was done.

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Why are Muslims still in the United States?

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM
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It’s either you want them all deported or you think all of them are going to snap and kill people.

Now which is it, big smart boy?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Those are the only two possible reasons? Really? Your brain shuts down pretty fast when it’s under stress, doesn’t it? Why would Muslims want to be in a country that has no parallel to the doctrines it adheres too? Maybe the question is directed to them… not you.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Apparently, a Nidal Hasan, Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, was listed a one of the Task Force Event Participants in The George Washington University, Homeland Security Policy Institute’s “PROCEEDINGS REPORT OF THE HSPI PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TASK FORCE, April 2008-January 2009″

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

J_Crater on November 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Hasan appears to be a lunatic whose motivations — at least as far as we know at this point — are entirely his own delusions.

Is that oil base or water soluble white wash?

BL@KBIRD on November 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I think it is some kind of polymer.

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Apples to apples.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Negative. People cannot help being born German, Japanese or even into a Muslim family. There is a distinction between all Germans and those Germans who embraced the Nazi ideology and those who still do. Those who continue to embrace Islam should be viewed as the latter.

You cannot willfully cease to be Japanese, but you can cease to be a Muslim, if desired. I would have thought that easily understandable by you.

awake on November 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

This is about as obvious a case of not-so-sudden jihad syndrome as any that can be found. The guy made his fundamental believes and intent abundantly clear, but in our PC world, even in the military, everyone was so brainwashed (or brain dead) they just couldn’t believe that he would follow up on what he said. This nation needs to get a grip–we are in a hot war with an insidious, evil, ruthless enemy whose fundamental beliefs, methods, and purposes are deception and death. It is in their Quran. So how can anyone plead ignorance. This is the elephant in the room and it will squash us all, if we don’t recognize it.

Ay Uaxe on November 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Actually, 1 death and 6 injured.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Muslims attack you and someone calls for the deportation of everybody who practices that religion.

Apples to apples.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Just remember folks, it was that great Democrat Roosevelt who interned the Japanese.

BierManVA on November 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM

So…a muslim was runnin’ around shouting, “allahu akbar”, killing infidels…and the President says we shouldn’t jump to any conclusions….

Riiight…
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Obama is a liar and Truth is
killing his Marxist agenda.

Army Brat on November 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM

1
Your definition of atheism is amazingly stupid.

2
That you think it’s a religion is even more stupid.

3
But the most stupid thing of all: you have zero knowledge of the religious leanings of any abortion provider in your entire country yet you label them all as atheists.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
Date: 13th century
1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

— re·li·gion·less adjective

Sounds like Atheism to me. Jackass.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Just read something pertaining to this that left me sick to my stomach. Please go to FrontPageMag.com, interview article by Jamie Glazov titled “The Muslim Brotherhood and Ft. Hood”. It is an interview of Dave Gaubatz, the first civilian federal agent deployed to Iraq in 2003, who is coauthor of a new book (with Paul Sperry) called “Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America”. He tells how this is not an isolated incident (most of us know that as per MM’s post this morning listing them all), but how CAIR, the mosques, (all funded by Saudi’s)are all in on this. You don’t want to think this, but could the person in the White House be a part of it?

silvernana on November 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

However, religious/political *extremists* who support violence in the name of their “God”/”Cause” should absolutely be watched closely and, if violence does come forth, they should be removed from society.

EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Right…wait until 40 MORE people are killed and then send the guy to jail like a Common murderer instead of a terrrorist!

RedLizard64 on November 6, 2009 at 2:40 PM

One of the GOOD things about Christianity is that there are far, far, FAR less violent extremists than Islamic ones.

EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Really? Yah think? Can you name some Christian extremists recently out cutting off people’s heads or going on shooting sprees in the name of their religion all the while shouting in the name of Christ?

silvernana on November 6, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Both versions of these extremists believe they are avenging the deaths of innocents. Instead of exerting change by law, they’re imposing vigilante “justice”. It’s wrong, period. And it does nothing but cement opinion AGAINST their “cause”.

EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Wrong…its true that “Christians” might be trying to protect true innocents..but what is innocent about Palestianian children carrying fake guns, and suicide vests and shooting “Death to the Jews…Death to america”?

Do you realize there have been over 13,000 acts of Islamic terrorism world wide since 9/11. And not saying it wasn;t eggregious..but the number of people killed by Catholics (Not all christians are Catholic) was less than 3500 in a 350 year span…NO comparison.

RedLizard64 on November 6, 2009 at 2:45 PM

It is amazing how the media is covering this. I highly doubt that the military can stop someone from going on his own personal Jihad by pouring more money into stress prevention.

Vera on November 6, 2009 at 2:56 PM

silvernana on November 6, 2009 at 2:42 PM

I should have been more clear: I was referring largely to such groups as Army of God and other common era terroristic acts here and abroad.

Like I said, we all know it’s far less common — but it is wrong, nonetheless. It’s absolutely appropriate to call Islam out on the profligate violence, but it is wrong to extrapolate that ALL Muslims are extremists and potentially violent, just as it would be wrong for anyone to make the same charge against Christians (or any other world religion).

EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 2:58 PM

RedLizard64 on November 6, 2009 at 2:45 PM

The comparison of extremism to extremism is accurate, as long as there is a caveat noting that one is far more common than the other.

its true that “Christians” might be trying to protect true innocents

Protecting innocents should be done through legal means, not through terroristic acts. This Hasan terrorist believed in his cause and felt that Americans were killing “innocent civilians”. He believed he was justified in killing those that he viewed were preparing to go carry out an “unjust” cause. Any rational person knows that this asshole Hasan was absolutely NOT justified to kill in the name of his personal convictions, just as self-identified Christians who believe abortion is a crime against God are not justified to take matters into their own hands. We live in a nation of laws, period.

To be clear: I do not hold the opinion that ALL Christians nor ALL Muslims are alike, violent, or extremist.

EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

RedLizard64 on November 6, 2009 at 2:45 PM

(I wrote a lengthy response but somehow it isn’t showing up for me, so I apologize if this ends up appearing as a double post.)

The comparison between the two is justified because violent extremism is violent extremism — no matter if YOU think it has some sort of justification or not.

I am sympathetic to anti-abortion activists who protest peacefully, but I will not for one minute excuse anyone who takes the law into their own hands. Once a person crosses that bridge, the cease being righteous and become the very thing that they are protesting against — a murderer. And, of course, if their intention is to not only stop the immediate person but also make a political/ideological statement writ large, then they are a terrorist.

So, even though the scale of occurrence is different between Islamic ideological extremists and Christian ideological extremists, the comparison is apt. I do not intend to exclude other religions or politically ideological extremists — I compared the two only in response to an above commenter/s who claimed that Christians are exempt from terroristic acts.

EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Pentagon officials say they are striving for mutual understanding with Muslims at home and abroad and to win their support for US war aims

aengus on November 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Ya, good luck with that. Idiots.

infidel4life on November 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM

1
Your definition of atheism is amazingly stupid.

2
That you think it’s a religion is even more stupid.

3
But the most stupid thing of all: you have zero knowledge of the religious leanings of any abortion provider in your entire country yet you label them all as atheists.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
Date: 13th century
1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

— re·li·gion·less adjective

Sounds like Atheism to me. Jackass.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

No.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:13 PM

One of the GOOD things about Christianity is that there are far, far, FAR less violent extremists than Islamic ones.

EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Really? Yah think? Can you name some Christian extremists recently out cutting off people’s heads or going on shooting sprees in the name of their religion all the while shouting in the name of Christ?

silvernana on November 6, 2009 at 2:42 PM
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This is where the names of all the abortion doctor murderers should get typed in.

Nobody is saying the volume of incidents even comes remotely close to jihadist a$$holes. We’re saying you’re in some retarded denial that Christians don’t commit acts of murder and mayhem in the name of their God.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM

This seems to be bringing up an entirely new topic ..

Pre-deployment PTSD or Second-hand PTSD

Somehow this psychiatrist has managed to acquire PTSD before ever getting to the battlefield, apparently by second-hand exposure to those who have PTSD.

J_Crater on November 6, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Muslims attack you and someone calls for the deportation of everybody who practices that religion.

Apples to apples.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Just remember folks, it was that great Democrat Roosevelt who interned the Japanese.

BierManVA on November 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM
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The internment was an outrageously stupid act by Roosevelt. And by my government too.

Sorry your zinger didn’t work out like you hoped it would.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

Because that is where he cold live out his fantasy of being a Jihad of one.

MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Apples to apples.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Negative. People cannot help being born German, Japanese or even into a Muslim family. There is a distinction between all Germans and those Germans who embraced the Nazi ideology and those who still do. Those who continue to embrace Islam should be viewed as the latter.

You cannot willfully cease to be Japanese, but you can cease to be a Muslim, if desired. I would have thought that easily understandable by you.

awake on November 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM
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So, Mr Giantbrain, please enlighten us as to what criteria was used to intern the Japanese – you know, to make the distinction between all Japanese and those Japanese who embraced the Japanese war ideology.

Then explain why the Japanese were rounded up but the Germans weren’t.

“Those who continue to embrace Islam should be viewed as the latter.”
So, you label all Muslims as extremists?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Sorry your zinger didn’t work out like you hoped it would.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Seemed to work pretty good to me A$$hole. Got your little ulcer bleeding, didn’t it?

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

Because that is where he cold live out his fantasy of being a Jihad of one.

MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM
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It’s the army’s fault a nutbar timebomb like him was still in the army.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM

If he wanted to pay back the military, I would think a profession as a practicing shrink would have made that possible, they make a lot of money.

Besides, this is a voluntary military and this Hasan guy was damn near old enough to retire. I have a hard time believing that it was impossible for him to get out of the military if he wanted out. I would think he was a good candidate for a Section 8 at the very least.

Terrye on November 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM

So, you label all Muslims as extremists?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:24 PM

I sure do.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Dave:

Buzz off you foreigner.

BTW, whenever Tim McVeigh killed a lot of people I seem to remember liberals raving forever about right wing militiamen and out of control veterans. However, when a guy screaming God is Great in Arabic kills a bunch of American servicemen we are not supposed to notice his religion? It seems to me that he himself was obsessed with his religion.

Terrye on November 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM

It’s the army’s fault a nutbar timebomb like him was still in the army.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Wrong! It’s the fault of little ignorant PC Pr*cks like you.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM

So, you label all Muslims as extremists?

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:24 PM

I sure do.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM
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Then you’re stupid. The end.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM

I do not label all Muslims as extremists, in fact some Muslims have actually died for the United States in the same military this Hasan betrayed. However, I think it is completely ridiculous that we have become so politically correct that we can not point out the obvious: Radical Islam is a violent and dangerous ideology that requires its adherents to kill unbelievers. We see it everyday all over the world, the fact that people like Dave Rywall are to deep in denial to take note of this obvious fact is just more evidence that PC kills.

Terrye on November 6, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Dave:

Buzz off you foreigner.

BTW, whenever Tim McVeigh killed a lot of people I seem to remember liberals raving forever about right wing militiamen and out of control veterans. However, when a guy screaming God is Great in Arabic kills a bunch of American servicemen we are not supposed to notice his religion? It seems to me that he himself was obsessed with his religion.

Terrye on November 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM
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I never said to not notice his religion.

All I said was if he’s found to be not responsible for his actions because he’s f*cking crazy, it well be a bummer because I would prefer he gets shot in the face with a couple of bullets.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Oooo… got me good there Dave. What a child. Why are you even here? You just used to being mocked and ridiculed by your superiors?

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 4:32 PM

I do not label all Muslims as extremists, in fact some Muslims have actually died for the United States in the same military this Hasan betrayed. However, I think it is completely ridiculous that we have become so politically correct that we can not point out the obvious: Radical Islam is a violent and dangerous ideology that requires its adherents to kill unbelievers. We see it everyday all over the world, the fact that people like Dave Rywall are to deep in denial to take note of this obvious fact is just more evidence that PC kills.

Terrye on November 6, 2009 at 4:30 PM
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I’m not in denial whatsoever. I’m well aware of the extremists’ agenda.

The more extremists who die the happier I am.

It’s the knee jerk ALL MUSLIMS ARE EXTREMISTS AND CANNOT BE TRUSTED that is so stupid.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Did Nidal Malik Hasan ever do a TDY to Gitmo? The need for Arabic speaking psychologists was mentioned several years ago. As a student at the Uniformed Services health University, was Hasan ever sent to Gitmo to assess detainees?

Just a random thought. Nothing more.

coldwarrior on November 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Being Moderately Muslim is like being Moderately Pregnant. The Koran dictates the elimination of all un-believers. There is no middle ground on this. To follow this murderous doctrain goes against everything America stands for.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM

It’s the army’s fault a nutbar timebomb like him was still in the army.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Wrong! It’s the fault of little ignorant PC Pr*cks like you.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM
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No, little man, it’s the fault of the army and its policies of not acting on clear warning signs because of some dumb culture as outlined by the Hotair reader who submitted this last block of text at the top of the page:

It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years. With a little more work and additional schooling, you could make full Colonel. But basically you can set your clock to getting promoted every 7 years. So he may have had one bad report, but probably did barely enough to get him through the promotion board. But we don’t know what “bad” means…he may have simply failed the physical fitness tests, or he may have no clinical skills at all.

The Army has a unique way of handling providers who pose an obvious threat to soldiers they are supposed to care for. We had one dental officer who practiced dentistry far below the standard of care. He was moved first to doing examinations only (the most benign job) and eventually moved to an administrative job. The Army unfortunately can’t fire anyone, they just take them out of the equation or move them around to where they can’t hurt anyone. Being released from the military is a different story. Hasan’s obligation to the military depends on how much ROTC time, medical school time and residency time added up to. So if the Army paid for his education, he is obligated to serve, and there’s almost no way out of that. He could pay the Army back that money and get out of the contract, but that’s a long, long paper trail. There’s always the conscientious objector route, but if he was sincere, and not the loon he is appearing to be, his chain of command (superior officers) might have exempted him from deployment. However, he is a medical officer and NOT a combat soldier, so that argument just about flies out the window, since his role is medical support, and not combat. I’ve heard a lot of ways out of deployment (ie Ehren Watada, Tina Mahuika) and each case is unique. Ultimately the final decision can be influenced by the chain of command’s perception of the officer.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:36 PM

It will be VERY INTERESTING when the shooter wakes up in ICU… Would love to be a fly on the wall for THAT evolution…

Discussed it with my brother in SOCAL last night; he feels NO WAY that Hasan gets executed for this… I’ll cover the other side of that bet… He’s the surest thing since Timothy McVeigh for a Federal execution…

Khun Joe on November 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Being Moderately Muslim is like being Moderately Pregnant. The Koran dictates the elimination of all un-believers. There is no middle ground on this. To follow this murderous doctrain goes against everything America stands for.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM
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You are correct about the call for war against non-believers. But most Muslims are like Christians: lazy. They pick and choose what to follow from their little book of magic.

Your little book of magic is also full of orders to maim and murder.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM

No, little man, it’s the fault of the army and its policies
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Make up your simple mind @$$-wipe. Earlier today you called me a “Big Smart Boy”. You were closer the first time. I tower over you, physically and mentally.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM

What’s in your little book.

Sprint to the computer when there’s a national tragedy here so you can mock and make fun of Americans who are upset about it?

Nice little hobby you have there.

NoDonkey on November 6, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Why didnt this clown just go to iraq or afganistan to fight for muzlims. I know why – coward. Time to bring back public hangings.

Greed on November 6, 2009 at 4:44 PM

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