Why was Hasan still in the Army?
posted at 9:30 am on November 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
About three hours ago, the AP finally joined the Washington Post and some other national news organizations in reporting the “troubling portrait” of Nidal Malik Hasan, the man believed responsible for 13 deaths and dozens of wounded at the world’s largest army base. In hearing these details, many people wonder why the Army had ordered Hasan into a war zone — and perhaps why Hasan remained in the military at all:
For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.
While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some “difficulties” that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time. …
At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case. …
On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.
“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”
USA Today has even more this morning:
U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.
“He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist,” McCaul said.
McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like “he didn’t fit in.”
“He’s disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn’t believe in the mission, he’s looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq,” McCaul said. “He’s not happy about all that.”
McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.
“From an intelligence standpoint, that’s key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas,” McCaul said.
With all of these red flags, why was Hasan still in position to get deployed into a war zone? Why hadn’t the Army taken action to isolate Hasan, or remove him entirely? A Hot Air reader who served as a medical officer at Fort Hood earlier in this decade explains that the military has a great reluctance to act against his former colleagues, and that promotion of marginal medical officers is not unusual at all:
It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years. With a little more work and additional schooling, you could make full Colonel. But basically you can set your clock to getting promoted every 7 years. So he may have had one bad report, but probably did barely enough to get him through the promotion board. But we don’t know what “bad” means…he may have simply failed the physical fitness tests, or he may have no clinical skills at all.
The Army has a unique way of handling providers who pose an obvious threat to soldiers they are supposed to care for. We had one dental officer who practiced dentistry far below the standard of care. He was moved first to doing examinations only (the most benign job) and eventually moved to an administrative job. The Army unfortunately can’t fire anyone, they just take them out of the equation or move them around to where they can’t hurt anyone. Being released from the military is a different story. Hasan’s obligation to the military depends on how much ROTC time, medical school time and residency time added up to. So if the Army paid for his education, he is obligated to serve, and there’s almost no way out of that. He could pay the Army back that money and get out of the contract, but that’s a long, long paper trail. There’s always the conscientious objector route, but if he was sincere, and not the loon he is appearing to be, his chain of command (superior officers) might have exempted him from deployment. However, he is a medical officer and NOT a combat soldier, so that argument just about flies out the window, since his role is medical support, and not combat. I’ve heard a lot of ways out of deployment (ie Ehren Watada, Tina Mahuika) and each case is unique. Ultimately the final decision can be influenced by the chain of command’s perception of the officer.
So not only would the Army be highly reluctant to discharge him, Hasan probably had few options for leaving the service, assuming that the Army paid for his medical education. That explains his rank, and his predicament in getting shipped out to Iraq and/or Afghanistan. As a medical officer and not (necessarily) a combat officer, the conscientious objector route would not have applied anyway.
We’ll keep up with this story during the day as more developments occur.
Update: I agree with Rick Moran to some extent that casting this as an example of a pending wave of Islamic jihad in the US is just a wee bit premature, as well as a pending wave of fraggings over US war policy, etc etc etc. Hasan appears to be a lunatic whose motivations — at least as far as we know at this point — are entirely his own delusions. We shouldn’t be afraid to report the facts, but we should be wary about drawing wide-reaching conclusions from them until we have a lot more certainty.
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thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 11:56 PM
I cannot lie!
I do!! (;
Scrumpy on May 2, 2013 at 11:57 PM
better cool it homey. look at what all the worshiping over a one term senator got us into.
renalin on May 2, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Bish…………………… op ? !!! Hehehehe
Scrumpy on May 2, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Wow… where did you find that? Too cool. :)
thatsafactjack on May 2, 2013 at 11:58 PM
If Liberal Fascism was required HS reading,,….
Is there any doubt where the problem lies?
It’s not a stretch to invoke kmer rouge analogies.
Instead, two 14 year olds are forced to be pretend lesbians.
Not a damned bit is lawfull. But it rolls on.
Two 14 yo’s kissing. Did that to my daughter? I bust your jaw.
Then I go to jail and get my guns taken,
wolly4321 on May 2, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Scruuuumpyyyy!
;-)
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 2, 2013 at 11:58 PM
There was a Daily Beast article in the headline and Politico has done it also..Just do not think it is Rove and Co..imho..:)
Dire Straits on May 2, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Why yes… Yes I did!!
KCB on May 2, 2013 at 11:59 PM
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 2, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Dr Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!! (:
Scrumpy on May 2, 2013 at 11:59 PM
INC on May 2, 2013 at 11:57 PM
Very nice.
Job well done.
and a lesson learned..:)
bazil9 on May 3, 2013 at 12:00 AM
You and nobrain, er nopartisan, compare Cruz with Obama.
You should both be ashamed of yourselves.
p.s. don’t you tell anyone who is over 18 to “cool it” – it’s a matter of being grown up.
Schadenfreude on May 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM
.
I believe she’s her own worst enemy, but she’ll never see it that way.
listens2glenn on May 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM
Fall To Pieces – Slash
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM
Those kids grow up to rule the world! Congrats again!
KCB on May 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM
It really sprawls and spreads. It has so many stucco buildings it looked like a FL planned community with apts. and stores—we had the dorm of the would-be bomber pointed out to us.
INC on May 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM
Who’s gonna birth dem miniature trains, tea cups, and bumper cars?
Amy or Weber?
Resist We Much on May 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIN3Yta97vE
Les Paul Tribute Concert… Zakk Wylde…
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM
@Scrumpy — Think about letting me cross-post that turtle poem on Sketchbook.
Kept it. Check.
Excellent! Magna!
Who was that directed to? Or just skip it? Just curious. It got passed me.
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:02 AM
Well said and well done, Paladin. :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:02 AM
Reeeeally?
williamg on May 3, 2013 at 12:03 AM
LOL!
South Carolina is without a doubt one of the weirder states in this country…I like the fact that they are a red state and all…just saying their political culture is just strange.
William Eaton on May 3, 2013 at 12:03 AM
lol
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:03 AM
:)
INC on May 3, 2013 at 12:03 AM
The commies did not take a time out,
The clock did the ticking notwithstanding
The three it is my turn RINO’s the RNC offered up on time.
The commies will not take a time out,
The DNC is a commie opeation on going.
Ted Curz is not the problem,
Your looking at the problem when you wake up tomorrow.
The fact you can not see for the fog from the hot shower is not Ted Curz’s problem.
Sure more than a small bit of gold will fall
Sure more than a small bit of gold will fall and you will fall for the gold.
Sure more than a small bit of gold will fall and you will fall for the gold and make it hard for you to swim to the shore of saftey.
Sure men will fight for the constitution, for the rule of law, for liberty, for you for free, and yes you will lap it up in your cup.
But the True History Comes After you, knowing.
Knowing the true history and knowing how the put it down.
Down to the last word on it all.
You know yet the easy lie gets done so easy.
You know yet the gold has the same lure as ever.
Glint, subline, easy, in reach, reaching, touching, feeling, yet knowing the true judement to come.
But it is so easy and it will be mine, mine, the gold the gold the gold
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 3, 2013 at 12:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB_GGdXCVB0
Dimebag Darrell at 18!! OMG!
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:04 AM
massrighty on May 3, 2013 at 12:04 AM
He can definitely play!
KCB on May 3, 2013 at 12:04 AM
Not For Me – Slash
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:04 AM
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:02 AM
Sure you can…
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:05 AM
That’s too cool, I bookmarked it. Listening now. :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:06 AM
renalin on May 3, 2013 at 12:08 AM
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:02 AM
I never copied me own stuff!! It’s on last nights QOTD!
I am gonna go get it…
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:08 AM
But, who is gonna birth dem babies – Tea Cups, Bumper Cars, and Miniature Train?
If I were Amy, I’d tell Weber ‘I ain’t birthin none dem humongous babies!’
Resist We Much on May 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM
Heard that on a bleak trip back from PA, recently, at about 1:00 AM.
Singing right along – man, all the harmony’s just built right in!
massrighty on May 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM
Cruz is a helluva lot smarter than Obama….
Has more experience and actually understands and embraces the Constitution.
I would luv to see Hillary run against Cruz….
Especially after we get more Benghazi material…..then we will see what difference it makes!!!
redguy on May 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM
Good Night Hot Air! I love you guys, but I love the girls much more!
KCB on May 3, 2013 at 12:10 AM
Nite, Ken. Heart you, too.
Resist We Much on May 3, 2013 at 12:11 AM
I’m out too! Early day ahead – ‘nite all!
massrighty on May 3, 2013 at 12:11 AM
You’re insecure and feel intimidated or you wouldn’t make such a ridiculous comment.
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:11 AM
Geez. Slow down or stop being interesting, people!
Ah forget it, it’s back there somewhere, and I know your name.
@wolly4321:
Me too. Liberal F. It was like an index that took me a while to exhaust. Another book like that, on philosophy, was Moral Darwinism: How We Became Hedonists. That book came out of ID (has almost nothing to do with ID in any traditional sense) — and I couldn’t believe all I got from it. It doubled my bookshelf, and I’m a bookshelf guy.
If that wasn’t your comment on Liberal F., sorry. :)
– Now caught up with old business –
Everyone else’s eyes are blue, too. Weird. Declared colors anyway. And @Dire’s voice isn’t particularly deep. :) K.
– Now caught up with old business –
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:12 AM
Goodnight, Ken. Sleep well. :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:12 AM
Experience isn’t the be all and end all. I’d take Cruz’s lack of experience over Obama’s any day. I’d take Cruz’s values, passion and tenacity over the experience of the Clinton’s (Bill or Hillary), Carter, Gore, etc. Continue down the line: McCain, Christie, J. Bush, etc.
How much experience did Lincoln and Washington have in elected office before they were president? I think experience is good to have, especially for the person leading the free world. Reagan had some a little experience before he took the helm, but experience alone does not make a great leader. It’s the core of the individual that makes a great leader.
ritewhit on May 3, 2013 at 12:13 AM
His mother said we don’t need another Bush as President……
I agree…..
How about that young Senator from Texas instead??
redguy on May 3, 2013 at 12:13 AM
It is. :) Thanks for sharing it with us. :)
Goodnight, massrighty. Sleep well. :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Joy Division-Transmission
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_zLxPNUIqw
buenas noches.
renalin on May 3, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Good night Ken!! Sleep well!!
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:14 AM
Goodnight!
INC on May 3, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Wow. You brought me back in time. What a fricking waste of time that B.A in Psych turned out to be. Had some great parties though.
Have a good one.
renalin on May 3, 2013 at 12:16 AM
Paradise City – Slash
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:18 AM
Here goes Axe:
I feel the stars above me
As I rest here in my little home
Twinkling so bright as
As if to watch over me
Like so many turtle gods
With so many flashlights
Being guided by the big turtle moon
With her glowing white shell
Sometimes she hides
But I can always find her
And the protection she provides
Way back here in the cozy dark
The light in my little shelled life
And I snuggle way in
Where no one can reach me
And I sigh
A little turtle sigh…
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:18 AM
And a poseur, too. Why am I not surprised?
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:19 AM
Scrumpy knows Zakk?
Okay. I’m blown away.
wolly4321 on May 3, 2013 at 12:19 AM
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:18 AM
All that rock! M m mm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (;
Where’s the Rum!!
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:20 AM
lol — I don’t know nuthin’ ’bout birthin no roller-coaster babies.
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:20 AM
Well.. the rum is here and there… mostly there… but for you… I’ll see to it for you. *Clink* :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:21 AM
Both my kids beat me with their GPA’s. :)
INC on May 3, 2013 at 12:21 AM
Night KCB (FCK). :)
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:22 AM
wolly4321 on May 3, 2013 at 12:19 AM
Oh yes! love BLS! And when he was with Sabbath…
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM
I think I caught that home schooling angle. You must feel a little vindicated, eh?
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM
Congrats to your son as well as his parents..:)
PS..Home schooling is growing leaps and bounds..:)
Dire Straits on May 3, 2013 at 12:24 AM
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:21 AM
*Clink*
Oh that does a body good!! Cheers (:
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:24 AM
renalin on May 3, 2013 at 12:08 AM
Gnatbrains are very indignant. SP love makes you nuts.
Schadenfreude on May 3, 2013 at 12:24 AM
Dream On – Dio/Malmsteen
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:25 AM
‘It jes’ ain’t fittin’… It ain’t fittin’ to be pushing out dose Tea Cups.’
Resist We Much on May 3, 2013 at 12:26 AM
Warming from the inside out. :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:26 AM
I get up at 4am for work. G’nite, folks.
You rock.
wolly4321 on May 3, 2013 at 12:26 AM
lol — I love that. No one writes that Scrump.
. . . Title?
No hurry. :)
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Goodnight, wolly4321. Sleep well. So do you. :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:28 AM
Oh, yeah.
With two close relatives who were public school teachers.
Filling out forms, jumping through hoops.
Getting frustrated, being worried, getting the polite raised-eyebrow from people.
In one college having to deal with the main registrar herself, not an underling.
Oh, yeah.
INC on May 3, 2013 at 12:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m7njvwB-Ks
Pantera… lol… hard n heavy!!
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:29 AM
Hit hard time after Bat out of Hell and drug problems..But he recovered nicely..:)
Dire Straits on May 3, 2013 at 12:30 AM
lol
lol — Can’t wait for the divorce.
And there would be one. I want to read the “cause” bit. :) Find out what he/she/it did wrong.
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:30 AM
All The Fools Sailed Away – DIO
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:30 AM
I Miss Ramona……and I’ve Never Even Met Her……..
williamg on May 3, 2013 at 12:31 AM
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:27 AM
You know I was thinking about a story about a Turtle God… native american thing and it popped in my head… and turtle eggs and how they glow and flashlights… and stars… lol…
Title? Turtle Moon
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:32 AM
A greeting to Chrissy, and jackie and Sophie and ALT and Whatcat (where did she go?)……….
williamg on May 3, 2013 at 12:32 AM
…uh oh!…I’m f*cked!
KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2013 at 12:32 AM
Yes, it is. The statists keep pushing and pushing, and people have this strange objection to handing their children over.
I wasn’t in the first pioneer wave. Some of them went to court. We were maybe at the middle of the second wave.
INC on May 3, 2013 at 12:32 AM
Over the years, the relationship just went ‘off track.’ Natch.
Resist We Much on May 3, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Good evening, williamg. :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:33 AM
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:25 AM
Malmsteen is another ‘hero’ guitar player to me…
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Yes… he’s gifted. :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM
williamg on May 3, 2013 at 12:32 AM
You left us? Welcome back (:
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM
Holy cow, renalin was here, too?
NIGHT EVERYONE I MISSED SAYING NIGHT TOO
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:35 AM
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM
I find guys who play guitar like that sexy. My my!!
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:36 AM
I Could Have Been A Dreamer – DIO
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:36 AM
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:35 AM
Nitey nite AXE!!! or not? or what? Not usual for you (;
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:36 AM
I know, I read them and that’s why I said they were 6 hit pieces.
The Examiner had a In Defense of Cruz.
Keep in mind the MSM works for the Administration & Hillary is thinking of running. So if these hit pieces against Cruz is coming from the Dems which very well may be possible, then that’s ok with the R’s since that serves their purposes too. The R’s & D’s DO work together, LOL As long as it is in their common interest:-)
Time will tell:-)
bluefox on May 3, 2013 at 12:37 AM
*uptwinkles*
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:37 AM
LOL! They find women who play guitar well sexy, too. :)
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:37 AM
Really, R. You’re going to compare a Chicago crooked, community organizing race baiting, class warfare, socialist dingle berry with our conservative senator? Really?
Cruz has done nothing but stand up for the constitution, his constituents, the American people, and country and I can’t wait to watch him shine.
AllahsNippleHair on May 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM
:)
*Cheet
*Chiquita?*
Axe on May 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM
Screaming For Vengeance – Judas Priest
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM
You were nuts bef. her :) You’re also sane in your ‘insanity’. I like the way you fight, you “beta whatever”.
Schadenfreude on May 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM
2nd possibility: Adultery. Amy had an affair with the amusement park train. Why?
‘CUZ HIS ‘LITTLE ENGINE COULD!’
Resist We Much on May 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM
And, with that, gotta get milked.
Night all!
AllahsNippleHair on May 3, 2013 at 12:40 AM
“Your magnetic movements still capture the minutes I’m in….”
williamg on May 3, 2013 at 12:40 AM
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:37 AM
My fav female player is Lita Ford…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD9viOfFxZM
Scrumpy on May 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM
Highs and lows, thrills…it writes itself. Rome lasted longer.
Schadenfreude on May 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM
And now… for something completely different
thatsafactjack on May 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM
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