Why was Hasan still in the Army?
posted at 9:30 am on November 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
About three hours ago, the AP finally joined the Washington Post and some other national news organizations in reporting the “troubling portrait” of Nidal Malik Hasan, the man believed responsible for 13 deaths and dozens of wounded at the world’s largest army base. In hearing these details, many people wonder why the Army had ordered Hasan into a war zone — and perhaps why Hasan remained in the military at all:
For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.
While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some “difficulties” that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time. …
At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case. …
On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.
“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”
USA Today has even more this morning:
U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.
“He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist,” McCaul said.
McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like “he didn’t fit in.”
“He’s disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn’t believe in the mission, he’s looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq,” McCaul said. “He’s not happy about all that.”
McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.
“From an intelligence standpoint, that’s key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas,” McCaul said.
With all of these red flags, why was Hasan still in position to get deployed into a war zone? Why hadn’t the Army taken action to isolate Hasan, or remove him entirely? A Hot Air reader who served as a medical officer at Fort Hood earlier in this decade explains that the military has a great reluctance to act against his former colleagues, and that promotion of marginal medical officers is not unusual at all:
It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years. With a little more work and additional schooling, you could make full Colonel. But basically you can set your clock to getting promoted every 7 years. So he may have had one bad report, but probably did barely enough to get him through the promotion board. But we don’t know what “bad” means…he may have simply failed the physical fitness tests, or he may have no clinical skills at all.
The Army has a unique way of handling providers who pose an obvious threat to soldiers they are supposed to care for. We had one dental officer who practiced dentistry far below the standard of care. He was moved first to doing examinations only (the most benign job) and eventually moved to an administrative job. The Army unfortunately can’t fire anyone, they just take them out of the equation or move them around to where they can’t hurt anyone. Being released from the military is a different story. Hasan’s obligation to the military depends on how much ROTC time, medical school time and residency time added up to. So if the Army paid for his education, he is obligated to serve, and there’s almost no way out of that. He could pay the Army back that money and get out of the contract, but that’s a long, long paper trail. There’s always the conscientious objector route, but if he was sincere, and not the loon he is appearing to be, his chain of command (superior officers) might have exempted him from deployment. However, he is a medical officer and NOT a combat soldier, so that argument just about flies out the window, since his role is medical support, and not combat. I’ve heard a lot of ways out of deployment (ie Ehren Watada, Tina Mahuika) and each case is unique. Ultimately the final decision can be influenced by the chain of command’s perception of the officer.
So not only would the Army be highly reluctant to discharge him, Hasan probably had few options for leaving the service, assuming that the Army paid for his medical education. That explains his rank, and his predicament in getting shipped out to Iraq and/or Afghanistan. As a medical officer and not (necessarily) a combat officer, the conscientious objector route would not have applied anyway.
We’ll keep up with this story during the day as more developments occur.
Update: I agree with Rick Moran to some extent that casting this as an example of a pending wave of Islamic jihad in the US is just a wee bit premature, as well as a pending wave of fraggings over US war policy, etc etc etc. Hasan appears to be a lunatic whose motivations — at least as far as we know at this point — are entirely his own delusions. We shouldn’t be afraid to report the facts, but we should be wary about drawing wide-reaching conclusions from them until we have a lot more certainty.
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Fort Hood shooter was member of Homeland Security Panel advising Obama!
sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM
No wonder Obama does not want to say anything yet. That, and CAIR has probably told him not to. Putz.
kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 11:45 AM
If we can call this a terror attack (which it is), then it’s no stretch the MSM is trying to deny it as such. We had no jihadi attacks under Bush after 9/11. Now, under Obama, we get one. The MSM can’t allow this to be believed, for it makes Obama and the entire Dem Party look as bad as they are.
Liam on November 6, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Before the liberal media starts wanting to point fingers as to what the cause was of this massacre of our Soldiers on American soil,they need to remember that they have supported the people who champion these same actions of Fratricide.
The media has made the code pink/Answer crowd into heroes of the left by ignoring there anti-American policies and support of the violence coming from them against our military.
Liberal writers,activists,entertainers,and Congressional representatives have openly called our Soldiers terrorist,murders,rapist,and even advocated their murder:
Special report: Tracing the Left’s escalating war on military recruiters
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/07/special-report-tracing-the-lefts-escalating-war-on-military-recruiters/
By Michelle Malkin • March 7, 2008 12:54 AM
Patriotism Alert: Airman Shot In Heart By Anti-War Protestor; MSM Covers Up Anti-War Motive
—Ace
Bush-Hating “Peace Activist” & AX MURDERER Sentenced
He Hated Bush’s War– So He Axed a Student to Death
Police: Recruiting center gunman targeted military
Portland hates America
By Michelle Malkin • March 20, 2007 01:09 AM
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24853_Leftists_Supporting_the_Troops&only
I just linked to LGF’s post on the US soldier burned in effigy. Charles Johnson has updated it with a photo of a sign that reads “F*** The Troops.” Here it is (language warning):
Anti-American July 4th
San Francisco, July 4, 2007
http://zombietime.com/anti-july_4th_sf/
Ward Churchill backs fragging
Controversial ’9-11 prof’ suggests
rolling grenades under line officers
Tell Me Again the Left Supports the Troops
Duane Lester • January 9, 2008
1,290
San Francisco
If we support the troops, aren’t we supporting the terrorist?
U.S. military bases are terrorist training camps.
Iraqis Resist the U.S. Occupancy
John Murtha
Rosie O’Donnell
Ted Rall
Ted Kennedy
F%#K THE TROOPS – “SO 4,000 RUBES ARE DEAD, SO CRY ME A TIGRIS”
by:Ian Murphy
Another liberal coffee shop philosopher sharing their infinite wisdom:
Commentary: Why I Don’t Support the Troops
By Kenneth Thiesen 2008-03-11
This excrement is from Ted Rall, a famous lefty:
WHY WE FIGHT
Iraq From the Other Side
NEW YORK–Dear Recruit:
Is it devastating that a fellow enlisted Soldier could commit such an act.
He!! yes it is.
Is it surprising that someone who has anti-war views commits an act of violence as a form of “resistance”.
He!! no.
The anti-war movement has advocated such actions and held people that commit these acts or champion them as heroes.
The democratic party actively supports and takes money from these very same groups and their supporters.
So while we hear themes of “crazy military extremist” and how the war has driven people to the edge (even though Hasan never has been to war), lets remember that it’s democrats and their liberal supporter who advocate,champion,and support the very acts of violence that we saw at Ft. Hood yesterday.
Baxter Greene on November 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM
If memory serves, wasn’t CAIR involved in the submission of names to the White House for this panel, as well as for moslem chaplains and other slots?
coldwarrior on November 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Nonsense.
awake on November 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Guys, there’s more to this than we think.
From the article…
Bold—NEW WORLD ORDER ANYONE?!?!?!
BobAnthony on November 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Before the liberal media starts wanting to point fingers as to what the cause was of this massacre of our Soldiers on American soil,they need to remember that they have supported the people who champion these same actions of Fratricide.
The media has made the code pink/Answer crowd into heroes of the left by ignoring there anti-American policies and support of the violence coming from them against our military.
Liberal writers,activists,entertainers,and Congressional representatives have openly called our Soldiers terrorist,murders,rapist,and even advocated their murder:
Special report: Tracing the Left’s escalating war on military recruiters
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/07/special-report-tracing-the-lefts-escalating-war-on-military-recruiters/
By Michelle Malkin • March 7, 2008 12:54 AM
Patriotism Alert: Airman Shot In Heart By Anti-War Protestor; MSM Covers Up Anti-War Motive
—Ace
Bush-Hating “Peace Activist” & AX MURDERER Sentenced
He Hated Bush’s War– So He Axed a Student to Death
Police: Recruiting center gunman targeted military
Portland hates America
By Michelle Malkin • March 20, 2007 01:09 AM
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24853_Leftists_Supporting_the_Troops&only
I just linked to LGF’s post on the US soldier burned in effigy. Charles Johnson has updated it with a photo of a sign that reads “F*** The Troops.” Here it is (language warning):
Anti-American July 4th
San Francisco, July 4, 2007
http://zombietime.com/anti-july_4th_sf/
Ward Churchill backs fragging
Controversial ’9-11 prof’ suggests
rolling grenades under line officers
Tell Me Again the Left Supports the Troops
Duane Lester • January 9, 2008
1,290
San Francisco
If we support the troops, aren’t we supporting the terrorist?
U.S. military bases are terrorist training camps.
Iraqis Resist the U.S. Occupancy
John Murtha
Rosie O’Donnell
Ted Rall
Ted Kennedy
F%#K THE TROOPS – “SO 4,000 RUBES ARE DEAD, SO CRY ME A TIGRIS”
by:Ian Murphy
Another liberal coffee shop philosopher sharing their infinite wisdom:
Commentary: Why I Don’t Support the Troops
By Kenneth Thiesen 2008-03-11
This excrement is from Ted Rall, a famous lefty:
WHY WE FIGHT
Iraq From the Other Side
NEW YORK–Dear Recruit:
Is it devastating that a fellow enlisted Soldier could commit such an act.
He!! yes it is.
Is it surprising that someone who has anti-war views commits an act of violence as a form of “resistance”.
He!! no.
The anti-war movement has advocated such actions and held people that commit these acts or champion them as heroes.
The democratic party actively supports and takes money from these very same groups and their supporters.
So while we hear themes of “crazy military extremist” and how the war has driven people to the edge (even though Hasan never has been to war), lets remember that it’s democrats and their liberal supporter who advocate,champion,and support the very acts of violence that we saw at Ft. Hood yesterday.
Baxter Greene on November 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Jihad, we have jihad on the ground and economic destruction in DC.
This is not the end of this.
ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 11:49 AM
How does a Canadian know how to define what is American?
You obviously have some pent up anger that needs to be resolved. You can not go ONE DAY without calling someone a childish name.
State your case like an adult, not like a child.
There. Stated correctly now.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Very similar has been happening in Afghanistan, just from our Afghan “Allies” and with virtually no coverage.
Another “Isolated Attack”.
Five British soldiers are dead today, fatalities of see-no-Islam political correctness. The story from the AP:
KABUL— An Afghan policeman opened fire on British soldiers in the volatile southern province of Helmand, killing five before fleeing, British and Afghan authorities said Wednesday, raising concerns about discipline within the Afghan forces and possible infiltration by insurgents.
The attack Tuesday afternoon came a month after an Afghan policeman on patrol with U.S. soldiers fired on the Americans, killing two.
Presidential spokesman Humayun Hamidzada said it was an isolated attack.
Sure. Just as last month’s Afghan attack on US forces, killing two, was an isolated attack. And just as September’s Afghan attack on US forces, wounding one, was an isolated attack. And just as the September ambush at Ganjgal, likely aided by Afghan forces, that killed four US Marines was an isolated attack. And just as August’s “fire sack” ambush, likely aided by Afghan forces, killing Marine Lance Corporal Joshua Bernard, was an isolated attack. It’s simply amazing how many “isolated” attacks there have been (see below for more).
The commander of international forces in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, said he discussed the shooting with Interior Minister Mohammad Hanif Atmar, who “gave me his assurance that this incident will be fully and transparently investigated.”
Woop-de-do.
“We will not let this event deter our resolve to building a partnership with the Afghan National Security Forces to provide for Afghanistan’s future,” he said in a joint statement issued by NATO forces and the ministry.
In other words, all of these dead soldiers are sacrifices Gen. McChrystal is willing to make on the altar of multiculturally-driven zealotry.
Sacrifices on the altar of multiculturally-driven zealotry, both at Ft. Hood and in Afghanistan.
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I hope the military command at Ft. Hood has the good sense and decency to award every victim of the attack by this despicable muslim barbarian the Purple Heart. Hasan was absolutely an “enemy combatant”. I look forward to the day they publically execute him.
bannedbyhuffpo on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM
That would only happen if the administration is willing to say that this is a terrorist attack brought about by an Islamic American against his fellow soldiers. That is not going to happen for a slew of reasons.
Beyond that, a Purple Heart for getting shot while waiting to get shots (pun intended) in a clinic at Fort Hood? Maybe if on patrol in Detroit or New Orleans but it takes more than getting shot to get the medal (unless you are John Kerry). Part of the requirements for the Purple Heart deals with heroism. Where is the heroism in this situation?
That being said, there are individuals who should get recognition of some sort including the cop that supposedly took this scumbag down. Also the first responders and individuals who jumped in to immediately start medical treatment on the wounded.
highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 10:18 AM
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No “heroism” is required for a Purple Heart. It is awarded for wounds received in military operations against an armed enemy.
bannedbyhuffpo on November 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Baxter, you are in a class by yourself. Love reading your posts because they are always armed with facts!
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 11:55 AM
In O’s world, “Don’t ask, don’t tell” applies to muslim extremists. In fact, “don’t ask, but tell us anyway” is even better. Either way, it results in no action being taken by those in authority. The ‘It’s all good’ attitude sucks.
Fuquay Steve on November 6, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Islam is incompatable with the U.S. Constitution.
No believing Muslim can honestly take the military oath to defend the Constitution.
They should be questioned, before enlistment, about whether their oath to Allah supercedes their oath to America. If they hesitate in answering, or answer that their faith trumps their oath of service, they should be rejected.
We might survive the few “former Muslim apostates”~ who were lying and were actually stealth jihadists~ and who still managed to infiltrate the service, but we only disrupt the entire mission of our military by inviting in more and more potential “Sudden Jihad Syndrome” Hasans.
Islam is an anti-Constitutional movement aiming to undermine and overthrow all non-Muslim governments and replace them with a global theocratic tyranny.
Time for the military, and the government at large, to grasp this deadly fact.
An act on it.
Before more of our heroic personnel are slaughtered like sheep.
profitsbeard on November 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM
How does a Canadian know how to define what is American?
You obviously have some pent up anger that needs to be resolved. You can not go ONE DAY without calling someone a childish name.
State your case like an adult, not like a child.
But then, of course, you yahoos would have to acknowledge that abortion clinic murderers inside the abortion clinic are also terrorists since they also commit acts of murder in the name of religion.
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM
There. Stated correctly now.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 11:51 AM
——
How does an American know how to define what is Muslim?
Please share with the class with which religion it is that abortion providers perform their services in the name of.
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Good post, very depressing.
sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Someone else has probably already asked this question, but does anyone thinkthat the Army would have kept this guy if he had been a fundamentalist Christian who said a series of things like those who bomb abortion clinics and the killers of abortion “doctors” are heroes?
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM
The Atheist Religion.
Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 12:00 PM
The Army would have dumped him before he even knew the papers had been written up.
PC is going to kill this country.
coldwarrior on November 6, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Indeed.
awake on November 6, 2009 at 12:02 PM
1. I don’t. Who is? And before you call me a name, no I have not read all through the posts.
2. the pro-
abortionchoice religion.rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM
The Army would have dumped him before he even knew the papers had been written up.
PC is going to kill this country.
coldwarrior on November 6, 2009 at 12:01 PM
——
So far it sounds like his behaviour deteriorated over time, so when he signed up he may have appeared to be perfectly normal.
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM
I imagine such a person would have been kept, but also ordered to keep his opinions to himself. Possibly, too, sensitivity training. And honorable mention, so to speak, on some watch list.
Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM
This is, of course the “800 pound Gorilla” in the room that we are all suppose to pretend not to see.
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:58 AM
1. I don’t. Who is? And before you call me a name, no I have not read all through the posts.
2. the pro-abortionchoice religion.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM
——
1 exactly
2 that’s not a religion
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Each abortion is a sacrifice to Molleck.
Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM
FIFY
profitsbeard on November 6, 2009 at 12:06 PM
If there is any officer in the U.S. Army doing what I described and is still on duty I would be interested in knowing the details.
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM
This Muslim posted his admiration for suicide bombers on the internet. Imagine people with the courage to stand up to this nonsense and turf him. You want Hasan drawn and quartered. Direct your anger where it belongs: at politically correct cowards like yourself.
Basilsbest on November 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM
They let Canadians in here. Next it will be tax collectors, muslims, and the third world british.
Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM
That applies as well.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Maybe we should tell these muslim turds that all 74 virgins look like Pelosi.
txdoc on November 6, 2009 at 12:09 PM
The other elephant in the room
• May 11, 2009: Five soldiers shot dead at Camp Liberty in Baghdad by Sgt. John Russell.
• Sept. 8, 2008: Spc. Jody Michael Wirawan shoots himself to death after killing 1st Lt. Robert Bartlett Fletcher at Fort Hood.
• Feb. 25, 2008: Dustin Thorson, an Air Force technical sergeant, fatally shoots his son and daughter at home on Tinker Air Base in Oklahoma in domestic dispute with ex-wife. He had been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder after returning from Iraq.
• June 7 2005: Two National Guard officers are killed by a grenade at headquarters in Tikrit. Staff Sgt. Alberto Martinez is later acquitted of murder in a court-martial.
• March 23, 2003: Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar tosses grenades into three tents and then fires a rifle at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait, killing one and injuring 14. Akbar later receives death sentence.
• Oct. 27, 1995: Sgt. William Kreutzer goes on shooting spree at Fort Bragg, killing one and injuring 18 in a sniper attack during formation. He is serving a life sentence after a death sentence was overturned.
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 12:10 PM
You might well be right. I’m out of the military a long while, when we didn’t have these kinds of issues going on. The times and policies may well have changed. I would expect the things I described as being more ‘sane’ than just discharging someone but, like I said, I’m out of the Service a long while.
Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Thank you,
…and God Bless our men and women in uniform.
Their sacrifice and bravery in fighting for the freedoms we enjoy should be recognized and admired on a daily basis.
The people that sow hatred toward our Soldiers should be held accountable for their actions and shunned by our society,not held up as “speaking truth to power” like we see in the liberal establishment.
Great point MB4.
This has been going on across seas and should have received much more attention.
If it had, maybe the massacre at Ft. Hood could have been prevented.
Hasan certainly had a troubling enough history to draw the concerns and anger of many a Soldier.
It will be extremely heartbreaking if we learn that Hasan was allowed to stay in due to fear of “muslim profiling” or concern that the Army would appear to be discriminating against muslims by allowing one to stay in that had made anti-American and anti-military views public.
I have a feeling we are going to get a lot of WTF??? moments before this is over with.
Baxter Greene on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 PM
It’s 72, and I don’t think they care, they would have them covered from head to toe anyway.
loudmouth883 on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 PM
I rather they all be Jewish, look like Rosie O’Donnell, and be lesbians.
Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:14 PM
I will go back and read all the way through the post to find a case of where an “American” is defining a “Muslim”. That being said, your logic is still flawed, one can not defend their own actions because “someone else does it”. Children do this. You are not a child.
Here is a definition of religion just for you. #4 applies to the pro-
abortionchoice movement.rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Fort Hood shooter was member of Homeland Security Panel advising Obama
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM
I rather they all be Jewish, lesbian, and look like Rosie O’Donnell.
Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM
I missed Obama’s statement – did anyone hear it? Did he say let’s not jump to any conclusions? KBH on Fox now – let’s not jump to conclusions. This seems to be the drumbeat. Yeah, let’s not put two and two together. She’s saying stuff about his mental health and not being stable – anything to get it off the fact that he is Muslim. She doesn’t think he had that kind of violence in him – how the hell would she know that?
silvernana on November 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Just for you, I will go back and read all the way through the post to find a case of where an “American” is defining a “Muslim”. That being said, your logic is still flawed, one can not defend their own actions because “someone else does it”. Children do this. You are not a child.
Here is a definition of religion just for you. #4 applies to the pro-
abortionchoice movement.rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Sorry for the double post everyone. The servers are crawling today.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Did anyone hear Obama’s statement – did he say let’s not jump to conclusions? KBH on Fox News now saying the same thing – that seems to be the drumbeat. Yeah, let’s not put two and two together. She mentioned something about his mental stability – anything to keep off the fact he is Muslim. Said he wasn’t a violent person – how the hell would she know that?
silvernana on November 6, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Ditto here on my double post. I’m having all kinds of trouble!
silvernana on November 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Thank you,
We should thank and appreciate the sacrifice and bravery of our Soldiers on a daily basis for the Freedoms they secure for us.
The people that sow hatred and bigotry toward our Soldiers should be called out and excoriated by the public for the hateful cowards that they are.
Great point.
This has been going on overseas and received no where near the attention it should have.
If this had been investigated and addressed more seriously than maybe the Ft. Hood massacre could have been avoided.
Hasan’s vocal anti-war/anti-military views certainly attracted the attention and the scorn of many a Soldier according to reports.
It will make this terrible event even worse if we find out that Hasan was kept on due to fears of “racial profiling” and “discrimination”.
I have a feeling there are going to be a lot more WTF???? moments before this is over with.
Baxter Greene on November 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Why are these savages still allowed to live here ???
LODGE4 on November 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Got me to.
Baxter Greene on November 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM
LODGE4 on November 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM
I will go back and read all the way through the post to
–Unfortunately, #4 also applies to a bunch of polical movements.
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM
If they’re Citizens, we can’t and shouldn’t do anything about it. But I can see revoking residency permits for non-Citizens. I also wonder how many Iranians working on that country’s nuclear program learned engineering here.
Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Did he vote for McCain in 2008?
jeff_from_mpls on November 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM
The DHS, despite having hundreds of billions of dollars thrown at it … FAILED to stop a terrorist.
The US military, which is supposed to be strong and protect US citizens… FAILED.
Our troops should be home so they can protect us, and our government should not be spending hundreds of billions spying on US citizens in a futile attempt to stop terrorists. When we bankrupt our nation and destroy our freedom they win.
I support our troops, but I do not support the administrations failed policies that put the troops and US citizens in harms way.
popularpeoplesfront on November 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM
OT: Fox reports 8 people killed in Orlando office building. Witness are being taking away in unmarked police cars before they could speak to reports.
kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM
This is getting creepy Jimbo3. We have found agreement two days in a row!
Can we go back to arguing? :)
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM
If we weren’t at war, and it were 1991-1993 again (when there was a big military drawdown) then this guy would’ve been given a pass to get out. Retention is based upon needs of the Army and obligations. At the current time, we really, really need mental health specialists–so this guy could gripe all he wanted, but his ass belonged to the Army, and he didn’t like that.
ted c on November 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Why?
Can’t kick Muslims, even the crazy ones that want to kill us all, out of the Service…because it’s racist or something.
What they may do while they’re in there, like murder a bunch of their fellow soldiers (like that POS with the hand grenade attack on the mess hall in Iraq) apparently is okay with certain sectors of our government.
Actually, 0bama’s buddy Billy The Bomber was a fan of US troops killing each other, so basically, 0bama is probably still wondering what the big problem is here…
Time to toss out PoTUS and ToTUS and use the brand new (and totally fitting) acronym: PoSPoTUS.
SuperCool on November 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Correct that: 8 people shot, 4 in “trauma” condition. Shoot is still at large.
kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM
oh my … fox just said 8 injured in shooting in Orlando
fullogas on November 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM
FIFY, so everyone knows the import of yesterday’s events and who’s to blame.
Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Go back to 1941, idiot.
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Yes I quite agree with you , for once, let’s do go back to 1941. That was a war that we won if I recall.
Archimedes on November 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM
WTF???? moment
(via Instapundit)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816
UPDATE: Here’s the NPR segment. Key bit:
Baxter Greene on November 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM
I can understand why the Muslim issue is coming up. It’s been the same after every single mass murder. People want it to be rational or make sense.
Frankly, I think mass murders never really make sense. It’s unpredictable, too.
This case is really one that shows that. Who would imagine a psychiatrist who was given a free education would go postal?
AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Political correctness, I’m sure.
Religious extremists of ANY stripe who talk of killing or retaliating in the name of their “God” should be ousted from our military immediately.
EarthToZoey on November 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Orlando – 2 have died, 8 injured reported on FOX
txdoc on November 6, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Not another Presbyterian fundamentalist I hope.
Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Silver lining: Hasan was brought down by a woman. That oughta drive some extremist a$$holes into a tizzy.
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM
We are becoming so PC that we ignore odd behaviors. Don’t forget that a beautiful young woman died last week after her father hit her with his car for being too “western”. When will there be enough evidence that there is a trend?
Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM
If this is true, it seems to imply that he did not just “snap”.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Be nice – I’m a Presby
txdoc on November 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
2 dead in Orlando?
Pelosi has all the cover she could dream of!
ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Great, my wife is downtown. These jihadi things tend to free up every disgruntled marginal personality. Remember the Tampa teen who flew his single-engine plane into the bank tower not long after 9/11?
Beagle on November 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Uh oh, ripple effect.
AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
he passed up a lucrative carreer on the upper east side for the libs mental cases.
he would have been the rage…
Sonosam on November 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Why are these people always called lone loons? We’ve had a couple dozen of these attacks (and dozens more thwarted) over the last eight years. I’m tired of the cover-ups in the media. These aren’t isolated incidents – this is a pattern.
vapig on November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Atheism.
Ask a hard one.
SuperCool on November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Not another Presbyterian fundamentalist I hope.
Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Be nice – I’m a Presby
txdoc on November 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM
You kinda missed the point.
Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Irony is good. I am angry enough to wish a ham sandwich could have been worked into the scenario. Childish? You bet.
Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM
That assumes that the FACTS as they are being REPORTED and told to us is, indeed, the truth. For a VERY, VERY long time yeseterday, we ALL thought this guy was DEAD. He’s NOT. I’m sorry but I consider a lot of these omissions and disinformation troubling.
Sultry Beauty on November 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM
That’s called the 1st amendment. Same reason that Code Pinkos can stand in front of a Marine Recruiting office and thump their vaginas, or whatever it is they thump.
Your moral equivalency straw men are ridiculous.
kirkill on November 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Just a crazy dude on a bad Quaalude. Whew! Thanks Ed. Now we can go back to sleep. Thank god it has nothing to do with Islam.
BL@KBIRD on November 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM
If our cast of libtard trolls is going to insist on characterizing Hasan as crazy instead of evil, I suggest a diagnosis of Sudden Jihad Syndrome.
OhioCoastie on November 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM
That’s because you’re not a mass-murderer. I also imagine you can’t grasp why people commit other heinous crimes like rape and child molestation. While i know a bit about psychology, I can’t figure out such people, either.
May people like Hasan never make sense to you or other sane people. Figuring them out takes a descent into madness where I, for one, never want to go.
Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Now Fox is saying they are getting reports that there may be more than 8 wounded.
kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM
I think the anger is really starting to snowball. And I’m glad. We can’t continue with our heads in the sand, even though that is exactly where the media and the government wants it.
ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM
That’s called the 1st amendment. Same reason that Code Pinkos can stand in front of a Marine Recruiting office and thump their vag-inas, or whatever it is they thump.
Your moral equivalency straw men are ridiculous.
kirkill on November 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Hasan makes perfect sense. Read his writings.
ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM
I wonder if they would be so confused about his motives if they were his victims.
Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM
I finally figured that out. Only took forever. :)
It finally dawned on me that if I was actually going to understand, then I’d have to think like them. Some things, it’s just OK not to understand.
AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM
This kind of deal is catching, like suicide pacts among teens.
AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Obviously a first strike by Canadian commandos. Get the launch codes.
Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Well, Hasan sure didn’t yell, “The South shall rise again” when he killed those kids.
kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
LOL!!! Excellent.
Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
That’s actually funny. I am ready to laugh a bit. :)
AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM
It is okay to be childish once in a while. Dave Rywall’s problem is that childish applies to his behavior in these threads all the time.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM
*hooting*
OK, attack of the ghoul humor. We must be entering a new stage of grief!
This one feels better.
AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM
ha ha ha yeah so all that Bible thumping out front of the clinics is just for fun.
Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM
speaking up for the MOST defenseless is comparable?
Sonosam on November 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Fort Hood jihad shooter handed out Korans the morning of his attack
Fort Hood shooter was member of Homeland Security Panel advising Obama
Fort Hood jihad shooter was disciplined for Islamic proselytizing
Authorities were concerned about Fort Hood shooter because of Net postings about suicide bombings, etc. — but did nothing
Akzed on November 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM
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