Why was Hasan still in the Army?

posted at 9:30 am on November 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

About three hours ago, the AP finally joined the Washington Post and some other national news organizations in reporting the “troubling portrait” of Nidal Malik Hasan, the man believed responsible for 13 deaths and dozens of wounded at the world’s largest army base.  In hearing these details, many people wonder why the Army had ordered Hasan into a war zone — and perhaps why Hasan remained in the military at all:

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some “difficulties” that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time. …

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case. …

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

USA Today has even more this morning:

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.

“He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist,” McCaul said.

McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like “he didn’t fit in.”

“He’s disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn’t believe in the mission, he’s looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq,” McCaul said. “He’s not happy about all that.”

McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.

“From an intelligence standpoint, that’s key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas,” McCaul said.

With all of these red flags, why was Hasan still in position to get deployed into a war zone?  Why hadn’t the Army taken action to isolate Hasan, or remove him entirely?  A Hot Air reader who served as a medical officer at Fort Hood earlier in this decade explains that the military has a great reluctance to act against his former colleagues, and that promotion of marginal medical officers is not unusual at all:

It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years. With a little more work and additional schooling, you could make full Colonel. But basically you can set your clock to getting promoted every 7 years. So he may have had one bad report, but probably did barely enough to get him through the promotion board. But we don’t know what “bad” means…he may have simply failed the physical fitness tests, or he may have no clinical skills at all.

The Army has a unique way of handling providers who pose an obvious threat to soldiers they are supposed to care for. We had one dental officer who practiced dentistry far below the standard of care. He was moved first to doing examinations only (the most benign job) and eventually moved to an administrative job. The Army unfortunately can’t fire anyone, they just take them out of the equation or move them around to where they can’t hurt anyone. Being released from the military is a different story. Hasan’s obligation to the military depends on how much ROTC time, medical school time and residency time added up to. So if the Army paid for his education, he is obligated to serve, and there’s almost no way out of that. He could pay the Army back that money and get out of the contract, but that’s a long, long paper trail. There’s always the conscientious objector route, but if he was sincere, and not the loon he is appearing to be, his chain of command (superior officers) might have exempted him from deployment. However, he is a medical officer and NOT a combat soldier, so that argument just about flies out the window, since his role is medical support, and not combat. I’ve heard a lot of ways out of deployment (ie Ehren Watada, Tina Mahuika) and each case is unique. Ultimately the final decision can be influenced by the chain of command’s perception of the officer.

So not only would the Army be highly reluctant to discharge him, Hasan probably had few options for leaving the service, assuming that the Army paid for his medical education. That explains his rank, and his predicament in getting shipped out to Iraq and/or Afghanistan.   As a medical officer and not (necessarily) a combat officer, the conscientious objector route would not have applied anyway.

We’ll keep up with this story during the day as more developments occur.

Update: I agree with Rick Moran to some extent that casting this as an example of a pending wave of Islamic jihad in the US is just a wee bit premature, as well as a pending wave of fraggings over US war policy, etc etc etc.  Hasan appears to be a lunatic whose motivations — at least as far as we know at this point — are entirely his own delusions.  We shouldn’t be afraid to report the facts, but we should be wary about drawing wide-reaching conclusions from them until we have a lot more certainty.


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Remind me, libbies… this guy’s a government appointed doctor, right? Man, I can’t wait for national healthcare.

LibTired on November 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Why? Because George Bush invaded the wrong country

simple -343 on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

1. 1998…Bill Clinton’s Justice Department indicts bin Laden, directly tying him to Iraq.

2. 1998…numerous assorted Democrats confirm that Iraq has WMDs.

3. 2002…numerous Democrats reassert that Iraq still has WMDs, and sign off on Bush’s request to use force. Most of them to this day refuse to take back their votes.

4. http://www.newman-haas.com/

Del Dolemonte on November 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

A Good American who was serving his country?

In who’s warped world point of view is describing the killing of the recruit killing by a Muslim in Arkansas the right thing for a Muslim to do Make him a Good American Serving his country?

I hope the F.B.I. is intending or already starting to investigate this Person’s family.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

We all are, ma’am. We have this, 10.2 unemployment, and Congress voting on taking over 1/6th of the American Economy this weekend. Add all that to the irritation of ignorant Liberals and their arrogance, and it is quite a combustible mix.

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

–We are apparently no longer aiming for a military victory in many areas, but are working with local leaders and people to try to get them in a position to govern themselves and be successful. Wouldn’t you need someone who can work with those people and who has more than language skills to be successful in this new environment?

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Certainly, but it’s not necessary that the people with those skills also be Muslim.

Obviously if we had a no Muslim rule, it would damage our ability to work with people in Afghanistan and Iraq, but that’s different from saying we need Muslims to make peace possible.

Esthier on November 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Openly hostile jihadists in the US military….how many more of these do we have?

Bleed_thelizard on November 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

What KTLA is to California is equivalent to what Pravda is to Moscow.

jbh45 on November 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I’m reminded of the book I read about training some of the Iraqis. The point was made that these are men who are babied by their mothers, allowed to dominate sisters, allowed to dominate wives and emerge into adulthood essentially like teenage children.

Their sense of entitlement is huge.

I kept thinking about how very immature he really was. Take all that education and then decide he didn’t want to pay the price?

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 9:53 AM

That sounds remarkably like the biography of B. Hussein Obama.

onlineanalyst on November 6, 2009 at 10:44 AM

He owed us a lot of money for paying for his medical education. Psychiatry. Obviously not a particularly sound investment, that one. Might have had something to do with it, along with the fact that he was a non-combat troop (with the exclusion, apparently, of jihad).

Blacklake on November 6, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Just a question about medical officers. Are they allowed to carry weapons?

If not, then he would never have been “fighting fellow Muslims” in Afghanistan, he would have never have taken up arms against his religion.

29Victor on November 6, 2009 at 10:44 AM

It’s a canard that you have have Muslims in the military to speak the lingo- ever hear of the Defense Language Institute?
You just need people to be able to learn/speak a language.
Any recruitment of natives is done in the theater of action.

jjshaka on November 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Sadly, we keep firing so many of the Defense Language Institute grads for being gay.

thuja on November 6, 2009 at 10:45 AM

One man says his daughter heard the shooter exclaim “Allah Akbar” as he opened fire.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM

–We are apparently no longer aiming for a military victory in many areas, but are working with local leaders and people to try to get them in a position to govern themselves and be successful. Wouldn’t you need someone who can work with those people and who has more than language skills to be successful in this new environment?

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM

The Nissei (Japanese-Americans who volunteered to fight for the USA in World War II) were folks who volunteered to fight for America because they were appalled at the attack on Pearl Harbor, and even when they and their families were removed from their homes and sent to internment camps for the durations of the war, they elected to serve their new country. They served in the European theater because, for obvious reasons, the United States military could not be sure they could be trusted to remain loyal if faced with their Japanese brethren (and because telling them apart in combat might have gotten our guys, the Nissei, killed by most US soldiers). Their unit, the 442nd Regiment, was the most highly decorated regiment in the war. These Men had something to prove about their love of their country, and it wasn’t exemplified by killing American soldiers who disliked them. They took the verbal abuse and discrimination and made themselves tougher than any bigot could ever be.

And THAT is what is required here. Evidence of allegiance from Muslims. Either they repudiate radical Islam, or the need to be shown the door and denied miltary service, and be watched for the remainder of this war by the authorities. I know there is a Constitutional argument that their ability to practice their religion may not be infringed. Fine. Practice it all you want. But you may not serve in security positions unless you sign specific statements showing your allegiance to country over your religion. Just my opinion. I know it will never fly. But that’s too bad. The Truth stings doesn’t it?

Muslims owe us the apology. Not the other way around. And they better figure out whether they want to live free with us, or die Muslim because of their own co-religionists’ hatred and warfare upon us. After all, who says this isn’t the most important foxhole in the world? I’m in it!

Subsunk.

Subsunk on November 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM

The reason why they didn’t kick him out is because the military — not the US military but any military organization — is incompetent by nature. They are necessarily bureaucratic, and bureacracies are incompetent. This isn’t a criticism of the people in the military, but of the military as an organization.

JS on November 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM

capejasmine on November 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM

CAn you imagine this for a headline: KKK member murders black family; motive unclear.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM

How much you want to bet that this guy was giving part of his 6 figure tax paid salary to the enemy overseas?

I hope that the military investigates his financial records.

smartsy on November 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM

“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

Because some radical Muslims hate the U.S.?

PattyJ on November 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM

I honestly don’t think a “no Muslims in the Military” rule would work, and not just because of the PC backlash and the thousands of lawsuits. Because of the religious/cultural support for lying, it wouldn’t necessarily rid the service of Muslim bad actors with intent, while it would bar honest dealers from the (however limited) pool of Muslim “moderates.”

Pretty much a loser all around.

zenscreamer on November 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

I am literally having trouble making my sentence structure work, I am so angry.

I am hearing his Aunt made statements like “he was being bullied” because of his religion. So he is the Victim? Really ? WHO gets to bully a MAJOR in the Amry? Are they serious? He isn’t a private a troop, he is an OFFICER and not a low ranking officer.

It’s mind boggling what his family thinks, that some how this country, and the military are responsible for his frame of mind and actions. They need to be investigated.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM

It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years.

I really hate to politicize a disaster like this, but, WHY do we want nationalized medicine again? This soldier is saying you can be a terrible doctor or dentist and the worst that’ll happen is they’ll “marginalize” you. In the private sector, that would never be tolerated. Granted, it’s a pretty hard sell to get a doctor to join the Army, which is likely why the standards are more lax. But if healthcare is nationalized, it’ll be a hard sell to get anyone to become a doctor.

Outlander on November 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM

And that red flag said… “LEAVE THIS GUY ALONE OR THE DAMN ACLU, CAIR AND CONGRESS WILL BE ALL OVER YOUR A$$!”

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM

So TRUE !! Screw political correctness, screw the muslims, screw the america haters , screw Obama, oh my I am all screwed out

flyoverboy on November 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

It’s mind boggling what his family thinks, that some how this country, and the military are responsible for his frame of mind and actions. They need to be investigated.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM

His family is almost irrelevant. His cousin did not do the family any favors last night. However, I suspect that if you were to sniff around the Islamic American community you would find that these people are representative of the whole. Just another group of people waiting in the wings for an excuse to claim victimhood status.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

I know it it is highly uncomfortable for Americans to contemplate, that post enlightenment we thought that we had put the ghastly concept of reliously based wars behind us. That we had put down to rest finally, for once and for all, bigotry based violence when we closed the last chapter of the Irish Troubles. For the most part, aside for an occaisional looney-tunes outlier this indeed seemed to be the case…in the west.

Unfortunately as we have witnessed with the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, not everyone was on board the HMS Religious Tolerance, despite how the press reported it, that conflict was a religious war more than the “ethnic cleansing” narrative we were provided. This was demonstrated by the religious icons participants emblazed on their banners, their weapons and themselves.

It was a classic Clash of Civilization as coined by Samuelson, at the nexus of Catholicism, Islam and Christian Orthodoxy, the Balkans. Where last March I have predicted that tension will again erupt in the very near future, see:

http://papundits.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/a-bad-wind-blows-in-the-balkans/

We can aver all we like how “we are not at war with Islam“, it alters the equation not one tittle to those like Nidal Hassan & Osama Bin Laden, a matter a fact I suspect they are quite tickled every time they hear such non-sense. For most assuredly Islam has declared war on us, to be precise about it, from it’s conception (mid-7th century) Islam till now Islam is a declaration of war.

As distaste as it is for us and at odds with how we would like to see ourselves, we must recognize the islam in our midst as the 5th column it represents.

It is time to put away what are childish notions in a time of war, what we would like, our comforts provided to our tastes must no longer dictate. War is unpleasant business by definition, as a society we must confront that fact, accept it, and get on with the task at hand.

In the end this will having to mean barring Islam itself from our military, our government, and our shores for the duration. Till we face the situation honestly and forthright, episodes like Ft. Hood will become ever more common-place.

I do not rejoice in presenting the above analysis, but realize its efficacy with a heavy heart. We will arrive at this eventually, it is just a matter of when. Better sooner than later.

Archimedes on November 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

I truly do hope he stays alive. I truly do, and he will go to a Federal Prison where he will be at HARD LABOR till he passes hopefully of natural causes as a very old man. I hope has the opportunity to find LOVE in that same Federal Prison from many incentivised potential Lovers.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM

If he does find love, I think we know which one will be wearing the headscarf.

RD on November 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM

If he was being bullied, he has redress all the way to the Pentagon’s diversity offices or whatever they’re called.

Bullied? I can’t imagine a light colonel and up being a bully like some grade schooler. Sheesh! Some people in this country must think all the rest of us are really dumb.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM

How much ya wanna bet that Barry will not even mention that that Hasan was a Muslim?

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 10:54 AM

FORT HOOD, Texas – Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted “Allahu Akbar!” — an Arabic phrase for “God is great!” — before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.

Geezus. Can we finally get a mission ruling from the media overlords (and government overlords) that says a perp shouting “Allahu Akbar” at the crime scene is prima facie evidence of jihad?

Or are we still going to keep dancing around it, playing the “gee it could have been anything” game? Going through the tortures of the damned to pretend we don’t know what that phrase means?

It means, “hey, I’m waging jihad against you right now, mutherf—ers! Put me on the list.”

RD on November 6, 2009 at 10:55 AM

How much ya wanna bet that Barry will not even mention that that Hasan was a Muslim?

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 10:54 AM

How about a “shout out” to “all our Muslim friends”?

zenscreamer on November 6, 2009 at 10:55 AM

RD on November 6, 2009 at 10:55 AM

As copied from the headlines thread, in case that one disappears beneath the margins.

RD on November 6, 2009 at 10:55 AM

And that red flag said… “LEAVE THIS GUY ALONE OR THE DAMN ACLU, CAIR AND CONGRESS WILL BE ALL OVER YOUR A$$!”

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM

So TRUE !! Screw political correctness, screw the muslims, screw the america haters , screw Obama, oh my I am all screwed out

flyoverboy on November 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Hey now, that’s a lot of screwin’

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:55 AM

@Blake,
Being odd and saying things that offend other people are not sufficient basis to separate someone who owes a huge service obligation from the military. Unless the guy was expressing direct intent to commit crimes, or failed to show up for work, or was overtly psychotic, none of which apparently was the case, there was little legal basis to get rid of this sack of $hit.

neuromancer on November 6, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Sadly, we keep firing so many of the Defense Language Institute grads for being gay.

thuja on November 6, 2009 at 10:45 AM

No we don’t! This is one of the lies the gay activists use to make the case that DADT is hurting national security. They never prove it with solid numbers but they repeat it often enough people start quoting it as gospel truth.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM

It’s important to focus now on justice for the victims.

Agreed. I’ve only heard about the background of one victim on the news so far. The family is very angry. Just wait until the usual weasels say they are worse than the murderer for hating him.

There must be an expedited judicial process and swift execution. The manner of execution isn’t important, but the terrorist must be killed in a matter of weeks or months – not years. There is decedent for this. President Roosevelt made sure that certain Nazi sabotuers captured in the US were swiftly tried and killed. We need to show resolution in the face of this attack. Try him by Thanksgiving in front of a military tribunal. Kill him on Christmas.

Ted Torgerson on November 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM

That’s not going to happen. Military tribunals are fast. One appeal is mandatory but he can waive the rest. Unfortunately, he’s in a coma so they have to wait to see if he comes out of it. How long did McVeigh take? Seven years?

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:56 AM

This is another case where being”sensitve” to Muslim feelings, means you do not do what is logical.

Here we have a Muslim who shows a great deal of empathy with jihadists, and nothing is done, so as not to offend Muslims..

I’m sure the families of the dead and wounded understand that the safety of their loved ones comes 2nd to not offending Muslim sesnitivities.

dugbru on November 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

If he does find love, I think we know which one will be wearing the headscarf.

RD on November 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM

For his supporters who may be reading the response to his actions, Praise be to Allah, God Willing, Let It Be So.

For the rest of us.

So shall he reaped – so shall he sow.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Hang him!

GarandFan on November 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM


We are apparently no longer aiming for a military victory in many areas, but are working with local leaders and people to try to get them in a position to govern themselves and be successful. Wouldn’t you need someone who can work with those people and who has more than language skills to be successful in this new environment?

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Certainly, but it’s not necessary that the people with those skills also be Muslim.

Obviously if we had a no Muslim rule, it would damage our ability to work with people in Afghanistan and Iraq, but that’s different from saying we need Muslims to make peace possible.

Esthier on November 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

–I dunno. Doesn’t “making it more difficult” mean it would likely take longer and cost more US lives and money.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

RD on November 6, 2009 at 10:55 AM

The MSM has to do this for its delusion Americans are going to riot, like with the Rodney King riots. Americans don’t riot very readily or in large numbers. But the media has this delusion we will, and it’ll be by whites, too.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Listen up liberals. This episode is proof that “Political Correctness” can kill you!

GFW on November 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Having my morning coffee and, I don’t often do this but every now and then I tune into MSNBC and CNN to see the “spin.” They’re referring to him as the “alleged” shooter, or “suspected” shooter. WTF?

Also, MSBSTV said that the Army made a mistake after the shooting, in that he was sent to a civilian hospital, accompanied by an agent, but that agent was out of touch for 5 hours and that is why they reported him as dead.

How long before they try some crap debating whether he actually shot anyone?

fullogas on November 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM

He sowed the wind, now let him reap the whirlwind.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM

they repeat it often enough people start quoting it as gospel truth.

We have always been at war with Eastasia
It’s PC liberal propaganda 101

zenscreamer on November 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM

–I dunno. Doesn’t “making it more difficult” mean it would likely take longer and cost more US lives and money.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Likely, but I never even said it would make it more difficult.

Esthier on November 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM

@29Victor,
When I was in service, Medical Corps officers could carry a .45 pistol for self-protection, but even though we were trained in the basics of handling the M16, it was not issued to MC officers, because it is not defined as a strictly defensive weapon. The only way a Medical Corps officer would be involved in fighting Muslim opponents would be in order to directly defend himself or his patients from attack.

neuromancer on November 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM

The Nissei (Japanese-Americans who volunteered to fight for the USA in World War II) were folks who volunteered to fight for America because they were appalled at the attack on Pearl Harbor, and even when they and their families were removed from their homes and sent to internment camps for the durations of the war, they elected to serve their new country. They served in the European theater because, for obvious reasons, the United States military could not be sure they could be trusted to remain loyal if faced with their Japanese brethren (and because telling them apart in combat might have gotten our guys, the Nissei, killed by most US soldiers). Their unit, the 442nd Regiment, was the most highly decorated regiment in the war. These Men had something to prove about their love of their country, and it wasn’t exemplified by killing American soldiers who disliked them. They took the verbal abuse and discrimination and made themselves tougher than any bigot could ever be.

And THAT is what is required here. Evidence of allegiance from Muslims. Either they repudiate radical Islam, or the need to be shown the door and denied miltary service, and be watched for the remainder of this war by the authorities. I know there is a Constitutional argument that their ability to practice their religion may not be infringed. Fine. Practice it all you want. But you may not serve in security positions unless you sign specific statements showing your allegiance to country over your religion. Just my opinion. I know it will never fly. But that’s too bad. The Truth stings doesn’t it?

Muslims owe us the apology. Not the other way around. And they better figure out whether they want to live free with us, or die Muslim because of their own co-religionists’ hatred and warfare upon us. After all, who says this isn’t the most important foxhole in the world? I’m in it!

Subsunk.

Subsunk on November 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM

–Volunteering for service is usually a pretty good demonstration of allegiance to your country.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Certainly, but it’s not necessary that the people with those skills also be Muslim.

Obviously if we had a no Muslim rule, it would damage our ability to work with people in Afghanistan and Iraq, but that’s different from saying we need Muslims to make peace possible.

Esthier on November 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM

–Isn’t “damage our ability” the same as “making it more difficult”? Maybe I’m missing something.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Just as a hypothetical question, I wonder if the American public would ever come to support the internment of muslims, and what it would take to get to that point?

OhioCoastie on November 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

–Volunteering for service is usually a pretty good demonstration of allegiance to your country.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Usually it is, I completely agree. Though, that obviously wasn’t the case here.

Esthier on November 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

An excellent question. One to which we all know the answer and a question which no media figure will have the courage to ask the CIC.

Basilsbest on November 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Subsunk on November 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM

With the nisei, those that did not volunteer for the services were interred. Also the Japanese code of Bushido was the polar opposite of of Takfir. Bushido stipulates that it is better to die than betray your oath of allegience, Takfir promotes deception in allegience as an honored tactic to gain advantage till when one can declare openly from a position of strength. Like Mr. Hassan position of being armed and running amuk declaring “Alah Akbar” slaughtering the defenseless.

Thus the Nisei argument does not stand up to reason in regards to Islam and the war we find ourselves. It is comparing apples & oranges.

Archimedes on November 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

The religion of Peace continues unabated:

— November 1979: Muslim extremists (Iranian variety) seized the U.S. embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days, following Democrat Jimmy Carter’s masterful foreign policy granting Islamic fanaticism its first real foothold in the Middle East.

— 1982: Muslim extremists (mostly Hezbollah) began a nearly decade-long habit of taking Americans and Europeans hostage in Lebanon, killing William Buckley and holding Terry Anderson for 6 1/2 years.

— April 1983: Muslim extremists (Islamic Jihad or possibly Hezbollah) bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 16 Americans.

— October 1983: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) blew up the U.S. Marine barracks at the Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines.

— December 1983: Muslim extremists (al-Dawa) blew up the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing five and injuring 80.

— September 1984: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) exploded a truck bomb at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut, killing 24 people, including two U.S. servicemen.

— December 1984: Muslim extremists (probably Hezbollah) hijacked a Kuwait Airways airplane, landed in Iran and demanded the release of the 17 members of al-Dawa who had been arrested for the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing two Americans before the siege was over.

— June 14, 1985: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) hijacked TWA Flight 847 out of Athens, diverting it to Beirut, taking the passengers hostage in return for the release of the Kuwait 17 as well as another 700 prisoners held by Israel. When their demands were not met, the Muslims shot U.S. Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem and dumped his body on the tarmac.

— October 1985: Muslim extremists (Palestine Liberation Front backed by Libya) seized an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, killing 69-year-old American Leon Klinghoffer by shooting him and then tossing his body overboard.

— December 1985: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed airports in Rome and Vienna, killing 20 people, including five Americans.

— April 1986: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed a discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen in West Berlin, injuring hundreds and killing two, including a U.S. soldier.

— December 1988: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all 259 on board and 11 on the ground.(Then came an amazing, historic pause in Muslim extremists’ relentless war on America after Ronald Reagan won the Cold War by doing the opposite of everything recommended by Democrats, depriving Islamic terrorists of their Soviet sponsors. This confuses liberals because they don’t understand the concept of terror sponsors, whether it’s the Soviet Union or Iraq.)

— February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

— Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI’s lower Manhattan headquarters.

— November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian “Party of God”) explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

— June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

— August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

— October 2000: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) blow up the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 U.S. sailors.

— Sept. 11, 2001: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) hijack commercial aircraft and fly planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 Americans.America’s war with Islamic fanaticism didn’t start on 9/11, but it’s going to end with 9/11 — as long as Americans aren’t foolish enough ever to put a Democrat in the White House.

— Nov. 5, 2009: Muslim extremist, Nidal Malik Hasan, allowed to remain in the Army due to Political Correctness, murders 13 and wounds dozens more at Ft. Hood, TX.

kirkill on November 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM

They keep saying it wasn’t Terrorism? Than what was it?

Yelling Allah Akbar and killing unarmed people? What is the definition of that – if it isn’t Terrorism?

He didn’t go to a McDonalds, he didn’t go to an Amusement Park or a Mall. So American Military Bases, and American Military people are killed, that doesn’t count as Terrorism?

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM

We can aver all we like how “we are not at war with Islam“, it alters the equation not one tittle to those like Nidal Hassan & Osama Bin Laden, a matter a fact I suspect they are quite tickled every time they hear such non-sense. For most assuredly Islam has declared war on us, to be precise about it, from it’s conception (mid-7th century) Islam till now Islam is a declaration of war.

Till we face the situation honestly and forthright, episodes like Ft. Hood will become ever more common-place.

I do not rejoice in presenting the above analysis, but realize its efficacy with a heavy heart. We will arrive at this eventually, it is just a matter of when. Better sooner than later.

Archimedes on November 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Hear, hear. As always we’d love to be proven wrong, but we will no longer pretend that wishful thinking equals proof, or that facing reality equals “thought crime”.

RD on November 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM

–Volunteering for service is usually a pretty good demonstration of allegiance to your country.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Unless you are infiltrating your enemy and using them to pay for your psyc medical education that you plan to use against them. They guy was a spy, an infiltrator, at the very least a traitor.

ray on November 6, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Just as a hypothetical question, I wonder if the American public would ever come to support the internment of muslims, and what it would take to get to that point?

OhioCoastie on November 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

It won’t ever happen. The altar of PC is too entrenched. We’ll all be forced into 5 times daily prayers to allah instead.

They’ll have to cut my head off with a dull knife before I succumb.

kirkill on November 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM

This how Obama handled this disaster yesterday?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0hiw8iXdMM

I didn’t know about this until now. I see for sure why the MSM is still questioning motive and what the killer shouted despite witnesses’ reports.

Obama just went further down in my estimation and I didn’t think that was possible.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Just another reason “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” needs to be repealed.

Jim Treacher on November 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I truly do hope he stays alive. I truly do, and he will go to a Federal Prison where he will be at HARD LABOR till he passes hopefully of natural causes as a very old man. I hope has the opportunity to find LOVE in that same Federal Prison from many incentivised potential Lovers.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM

This is idiocy! Once behind bars people like Hassan combine Black Liberation Theology and Islam to recruit amongst the already violent to further sow the seeds of our destruction.

We must resurrect and enforce our treason laws, tribunal and immediate execution upon a finding of guilt. No ifs, ands, or buts!

Archimedes on November 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM

In a perfect owrld, perhaps…

But, remember that during the 1990′s a lot of gangbange3rs enlisted…not out of patriotism, but to both lay low f or a while and to obtain a lot of very good small unit training that would be very effective on the streets in our major cities. And since before 9-11, there have been a number of enlistees whose sole reason for enlisting was to become familiar with military SOP’s and training to pass along to others on the outside for future reference.

The mere fact of enlisting does not necessarily a patriotic American make.

coldwarrior on November 6, 2009 at 11:10 AM

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Way too many stupid rumours

2
Tragic failure of the army to act on the signs this guy was a real threat

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Unless you are infiltrating your enemy and using them to pay for your psyc medical education that you plan to use against them. They guy was a spy, an infiltrator, at the very least a traitor.

ray on November 6, 2009 at 11:05 AM

I think you’re right. He took classes for firearms, you wouldn’t expect, he would need for his training as a mental health officer…

They were taking lessons to learn how to fly, they weren’t interested in knowing how to take off or land the planes…sound familiar.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Regardless, he was on active duty. He will be tried by military courts and will get to stand before a firing squad.
Good riddance.

redslippers on November 6, 2009 at 11:13 AM

I am hearing his Aunt made statements like “he was being bullied” because of his religion.

Yeah, well, his fabulous family has issues as well. It was widely reported that he joined the military over his parents’ objections.

Why would they object?

Y-not on November 6, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Just as a hypothetical question, I wonder if the American public would ever come to support the internment of muslims, and what it would take to get to that point?

OhioCoastie on November 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM
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Detain without charges? Persecute an entire religion because of that actions of a tiny % of its members?

Beyond moronic. Not to mention un-American.

Go back to 1941, idiot.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Listen up liberalsAmericans. This episode is proof that “Political Correctness” can kill you!

GFW on November 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Didn’t think it was so until this horrible incident occurred. There’s an eerie sympathy building for this guy on some of the liberal outlets. This wouldn’t be happening if it were a right wing White male who perpetrated this act.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM

We must resurrect and enforce our treason laws, tribunal and immediate execution upon a finding of guilt. No ifs, ands, or buts!

Archimedes on November 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM

NO, He wants to be a Martyr, he wants his 72 Virgins, by NO Means should he get any advantage out of his actions, he should be treated as a Biotch he should SUFFER.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM

They keep saying it wasn’t Terrorism? Than what was it?

Yelling Allah Akbar and killing unarmed people? What is the definition of that – if it isn’t Terrorism?

He didn’t go to a McDonalds, he didn’t go to an Amusement Park or a Mall. So American Military Bases, and American Military people are killed, that doesn’t count as Terrorism?

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM

In ’83 the truck bomb that blew-up the marine barracks in Lebanon was recognized as “an act of terrorism”. That was Reagan, the PCification since has nuetered us to eeven call a spade a spade any longer. This awas clearly an act of terrorism.

If we do not purge the doctrine of Political-Correctness in our society we will go the way of the Do-DO bird, and deservedly so!

Archimedes on November 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM

If we do not purge the doctrine of Political-Correctness in our society we will go the way of the Do-DO bird, and deservedly so!

Archimedes on November 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Not me. I’m armed.

BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM

–Volunteering for service is usually a pretty good demonstration of allegiance to your country.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM

He likely “volunteered” because he got a free medical education out of it. And because he got paid while getting that education. Pretty good deal.

And since he graduated in 2001, he agreed to join when everything was peaceful.

That being said, I don’t know what could have been done to root this guy out in our current situation. The Army needs physicians.

NoDonkey on November 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Hang him!

GarandFan on November 6, 2009 at 10:57 AM

In front of the world.

katy the mean old lady on November 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM

neuromancer on November 6, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Thanks for that.

29Victor on November 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM

They keep saying it wasn’t Terrorism? Than what was it?

Treason.

And if the feds don’t have the guts to fry him (with Bambi and Eric Holder in charge, I’m thinking that perhaps they don’t), then hand him over to Texas.

We’ll give him a fair trial and then we’ll hang him by the neck until he’s dead, dead, dead.

NoDonkey on November 6, 2009 at 11:20 AM

I’m sticking by my theory that this guy wasn’t thrown out on his ass for the same reason Nation of Islam soldiers weren’t thrown out when I was in the Army.

Anyone with the authority to do so is terrified of being charged with racism of “Islamophobia” and of having that charge ruin their careers.

29Victor on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM

I am hearing his Aunt made statements like “he was being bullied” because of his religion.

Yeah, well, his fabulous family has issues as well. It was widely reported that he joined the military over his parents’ objections.

Why would they object?

Y-not on November 6, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Heck, I’m “bullied” a lot over my faith where I work and from three groups that I left (at varying times over the years). It never crossed my mind… “OK, if you want to reject me and ostracize me, I’ll randomly kill innocent people!”

If you truly believe what you believe, no amount of “bullying” (for an adult) should bother you.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Fort Hood shooter was member of Homeland Security Panel advising Obama!

sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM

This just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

29Victor on November 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM

They keep saying it wasn’t Terrorism? Than what was it?

Robust debate.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM

There’s an eerie sympathy building for this guy on some of the liberal outlets.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM

I’m appalled at that but not surprised. On another thread last night I encountered someone literally say to us all he holds a moral high ground, and seems to worry more about the killer than hurt for the victims.

Is it okay to question the Left’s patriotism now? And maybe their true aim? And their ‘superior’ morality?

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM

sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM

I read that earlier on GP.
Frankly, ignore it all you want but the timing of this guy’s jihad is really suspect.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 11:23 AM

If it can be confirmed that he was telling allah akhbar, then yes, he was committing acts of murder in the name of religion, and for sure this was a terrorist act. Death penalty as soon as possible.

But then, of course, you yahoos would have to acknowledge that abortion clinic murderers are also terrorists since they also commit acts of murder in the name of religion.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Dave, how is murdering an abortionist killing in the name of religion?

Answer, it isn’t.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM

The armed services have nearly always had a shortage of medical personnel. The Uniformed Services Health University was created to draw in a large number of medical professionals with a promise of a free education and perks. In return for a short committment to actually serve.

Nidal Malik Hasan took advantage of this program. Looking over just the small bits of info on Hasan, I find that he’d be hard-pressed to complete a regular course of pre-med studies and residency in any of the major civilian medical universities available in the US. Mediocre is but one term that can be used to describe his medical accomplishments.

Add to that his devotion to Islam…

And yes, in a better world, these red flags would have been seen sooner and acted upon.

But, when you have a chronic shortage MOS field, tossing out the meddiocre merely serve to further deplete numbers, and those hwo are charged with manning lists and programs, it would have reflected badsly on them to have tossed hasan out earlier.

I’ve known and have been treated by some very excellent military medical professionals over the years…but they are the exception, not the norm. Meatball surgery and mass processing of troops is the norm…and Hasan was able to use this as his means to game the system.

Sad indeed when medical professionals try to avoid serving in the military, looking for more prestigious and lucrative medical positions in the civilian world.

Sadder by for still is the military not viewing all personnel under a fine-focused scope…and it is the civilian leadership, not the military itself, that is responsible for turning a blind eye while in pursuit of numbers over quality.

Lastly, it was mentioned above, I have to wonder what the overall reaction of those who had served in Iraq, or Afghanistan or any other theater having to sit down across from Hasan to speak to their “feelings” about the actual and very real stress they were under or had been under when the guy who was counseling them was a) Moslem, b) mediocre, and c) probably more interested in his own psychological needs than theirs.

coldwarrior on November 6, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Dave, you wanna give us a body count on that comparison?

And how often is the killing random?

Next. Nice try, bigot.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 11:33 AM

This crime should be tried in a military Courts Martial. This was crime committed on a military installation against military victims by a military perpetrator.

There is no justification that this should be treated any differently.

The death sentence is still permitted in the military although no one has been executed since the 60′s. The last time I checked there are 8 people on Leavenworth’s death row.

I presume this “officer and gentleman” will soon be numbered the ninth.

E9RET on November 6, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Dave, how is murdering an abortionist killing in the name of religion?

Answer, it isn’t.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM
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ha ha ha yeah so all that Bible thumping out front of the clinics is just for fun.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM

There’s an eerie sympathy building for this guy on some of the liberal outlets.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM

So the Left thinks there is such a thing as Justifiable Murder? I thought they- the left condemned this behavior, when Dr Tiller’s killer used this defense.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

Dereliction of Duty.

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM

What religion tells it’s followers to kill abortionist and you had damn well better have a link or back up.

Again, no Christian religion tells it’s followers to kill abortionists (baby killers)

You are a bigot. Yuk.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Dave, you wanna give us a body count on that comparison?

And how often is the killing random?

Next. Nice try, bigot.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 11:33 AM
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Bigot? How?

I’m just pointing out the willingness of lots of Americans to condemn all of Islam for the actions of a tiny minority of a$$holes and the resistance to condemn all of Christianity for tiny minority of abortion dr murderers.

It’s got nothing to do with body counts.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Barry just spoke on the matter. He said a whole lot of nothing. I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM

++

LibTired on November 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Far more interested in spinning the unemployment numbers than trying to convey even a modicum of real empathy with those who were directly affected by the murders at Fort Hood.

The. Man. Has. No. Soul.

coldwarrior on November 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Uncle Sam wants US Muslims to serve

WASHINGTON – As US troops battle Islamic extremists abroad, the Pentagon and the armed forces are reaching out to Muslims at home.

An underlying goal is to interest more Muslims in the military, which needs officers and troops who can speak Arabic and other relevant languages and understand the culture of places like Iraq and Afghanistan. The effort is also part of a larger outreach. Pentagon officials say they are striving for mutual understanding with Muslims at home and abroad and to win their support for US war aims

aengus on November 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Could this be counted as the first terror attack on US soil since 9/11 (when Bush was President)?

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM

In hearing these details, many people wonder why the Army had ordered Hasan into a war zone — and perhaps why Hasan remained in the military at all:

Because to those in power keeping up the lie that Islam isn’t what it is, is more important than the lives of American Soldiers.

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 11:41 AM

What religion tells it’s followers to kill abortionist and you had damn well better have a link or back up.

Again, no Christian religion tells it’s followers to kill abortionists (baby killers)

You are a bigot. Yuk.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM
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You’re absolutely right. The Bible doesn’t specifically tell you to do that.
But why don’t you go interview the abortion dr murderers and ask them why they did it. You’ll get a bunch of Bible crap.

A perfect example of a tiny minority twisting the word of their religion into murder and mayhem.

Nowhere in this have I condemned Christianity as a whole. I have condemned the specific tiny group of people who have hijacked it.

So sorry, no bigotry here, idiot.

Hasan is a religious extremist a$$hole. Unless it is proven he is completely insane and not responsible for his actions, he deserves the death penalty as soon as humanly possible.

Dave Rywall on November 6, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Obama lets let cooler heads prevail till we get all the information in…but there is information in, and he can act on it thusly.

Fort Hood shooter was member of Homeland Security Panel advising Obama!

sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 AM

So was he part of the memo, that returning American Military Veterans, were at risk and could be radicalized into right wing domestic terrorist? Was he part of that memo, smearing returning American Military Service People?

While he was busy getting in his target practice?

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Remember this? Was Hasan part of the folks involved in profiling returning American Military Veterans? And advising Homeland Security. Are we really in this kind of risk in this country?

http://www.just-a-regular-guy.com/2009/04/20/fbis-operation-vigilant-eagle-looking-into-returning-military-veterans/

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 11:44 AM

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