Why was Hasan still in the Army?

posted at 9:30 am on November 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

About three hours ago, the AP finally joined the Washington Post and some other national news organizations in reporting the “troubling portrait” of Nidal Malik Hasan, the man believed responsible for 13 deaths and dozens of wounded at the world’s largest army base.  In hearing these details, many people wonder why the Army had ordered Hasan into a war zone — and perhaps why Hasan remained in the military at all:

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some “difficulties” that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time. …

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case. …

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

USA Today has even more this morning:

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.

“He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist,” McCaul said.

McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like “he didn’t fit in.”

“He’s disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn’t believe in the mission, he’s looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq,” McCaul said. “He’s not happy about all that.”

McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.

“From an intelligence standpoint, that’s key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas,” McCaul said.

With all of these red flags, why was Hasan still in position to get deployed into a war zone?  Why hadn’t the Army taken action to isolate Hasan, or remove him entirely?  A Hot Air reader who served as a medical officer at Fort Hood earlier in this decade explains that the military has a great reluctance to act against his former colleagues, and that promotion of marginal medical officers is not unusual at all:

It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years. With a little more work and additional schooling, you could make full Colonel. But basically you can set your clock to getting promoted every 7 years. So he may have had one bad report, but probably did barely enough to get him through the promotion board. But we don’t know what “bad” means…he may have simply failed the physical fitness tests, or he may have no clinical skills at all.

The Army has a unique way of handling providers who pose an obvious threat to soldiers they are supposed to care for. We had one dental officer who practiced dentistry far below the standard of care. He was moved first to doing examinations only (the most benign job) and eventually moved to an administrative job. The Army unfortunately can’t fire anyone, they just take them out of the equation or move them around to where they can’t hurt anyone. Being released from the military is a different story. Hasan’s obligation to the military depends on how much ROTC time, medical school time and residency time added up to. So if the Army paid for his education, he is obligated to serve, and there’s almost no way out of that. He could pay the Army back that money and get out of the contract, but that’s a long, long paper trail. There’s always the conscientious objector route, but if he was sincere, and not the loon he is appearing to be, his chain of command (superior officers) might have exempted him from deployment. However, he is a medical officer and NOT a combat soldier, so that argument just about flies out the window, since his role is medical support, and not combat. I’ve heard a lot of ways out of deployment (ie Ehren Watada, Tina Mahuika) and each case is unique. Ultimately the final decision can be influenced by the chain of command’s perception of the officer.

So not only would the Army be highly reluctant to discharge him, Hasan probably had few options for leaving the service, assuming that the Army paid for his medical education. That explains his rank, and his predicament in getting shipped out to Iraq and/or Afghanistan.   As a medical officer and not (necessarily) a combat officer, the conscientious objector route would not have applied anyway.

We’ll keep up with this story during the day as more developments occur.

Update: I agree with Rick Moran to some extent that casting this as an example of a pending wave of Islamic jihad in the US is just a wee bit premature, as well as a pending wave of fraggings over US war policy, etc etc etc.  Hasan appears to be a lunatic whose motivations — at least as far as we know at this point — are entirely his own delusions.  We shouldn’t be afraid to report the facts, but we should be wary about drawing wide-reaching conclusions from them until we have a lot more certainty.


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I hope the military command at Ft. Hood has the good sense and decency to award every victim of the attack by this despicable muslim barbarian the Purple Heart. Hasan was absolutely an “enemy combatant”. I look forward to the day they publically execute him.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

So not only would the Army be highly reluctant to discharge him, Hasan probably had few options for leaving the service, assuming that the Army paid for his medical education. That explains his rank, and his predicament in getting shipped out to Iraq and/or Afghanistan. As a medical officer and not (necessarily) a combat officer, the conscientious objector route would not have applied anyway.

Given all of this, why would anyone think of it as part of his motivation?
It’s not like he was going to be put in a position of killing or oppressing anyone. In fact, as a psychiatrist, he would have been in an excellent position to know about, and a better than average position to exert influence over how our troops dealt with the Muslims in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. If his motivation was principled opposition to the US presence in Iraq, he should have wanted to go.
Granted, anyone that goes on a shooting rampage probably left rationality a long time ago, but still…

Count to 10 on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Blitzer: “What is, his love for submarines?”

fogw on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

lollers

LibTired on November 6, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Meds are usually stored at the pharmacy and the only way to get those are through a prescription. If he went to a pharmacy with a script filled out by him that would raise red flags right away. He could get samples of meds but those have to be accounted for too. It would be interesting to see if he had written himself prescriptions for meds.

Brat4life on November 6, 2009 at 9:42 AM

I’m not that confident right now about things that are supposed to be secured and have limited access.

artist on November 6, 2009 at 10:03 AM

FDR would’ve interned them, doesn’t Obama want to be like FDR?

jp on November 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Everyone seems to be missing the spin here – it’s going to be Bad Military – they missed all the signs that the man was unstable. It can’t be HIS fault and it can’t be the fault of Islam, – so it must be proof that the military is not only evil but incompetent.

katiejane on November 6, 2009 at 10:05 AM

There are “Devout” Christians and Jews that are not compatible with the Military or America also. Should be prohibit all Christians and Jews from duty?

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

To be a good Christian or a good Jew, you need not destroy those who believe other than you. In fact, you must not.
To be a good Muslim, you must convert or destroy or at least subjugate the infidel. Where is your moral equivalence?

SKYFOX on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Devout Christians and Jews can live in a pluralistic democracy. For most fundamentalist Muslims, there is no separation of religion and state, certainly not a pluralistic society in which all religions are equally free to practice, and there is legal equality between men and women.

I think al Zawahari, second in command to bin Laden, as well as the Taliban leaders, have said Islam is incompatible with democracy.

Wethal on November 6, 2009 at 10:06 AM

He said political correctness at the Pentagon was a huge problem.

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Have you ever worked there? It’s a huge building which is either a finely-tuned, well-oiled machine where thousands work in unison for the national defense. Or it’s a place where important work is done but with an awful lot of people running around in circles performing worthless tasks.

Guess which one is true? Politics and political correctness are definitely on full display. There are whole offices devoted to diversity, EEO, women, etc… each with a huge budget and the ability to influence US military policy through the backdoor.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 10:06 AM

We have given away our security and our contact with common sense in order to make potential homicidal maniacs feel good about themselves.

Heaven forbid we mention the elephant in the room…..Islam.

Hening on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Mass murderers are simply inexplicable, in my mind, anyway. You can’t predict them. You can’t defend against them. You can’t figure them out after the fact.

The closest I ever saw was Gary *** (can’t remember) who went on a killing spree. He was asked later why, and he said, “I just wanted to.”

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM

This man is a jihadist, he is a shrink, so he knows that this action will demoralize our Troops on their way to the war zone.

Tony737 on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Military doctors and lawyers always get special different treatment by the military. Paid more, faster to get rank, most are there to pay back commitment for schooling paid for by the military.

albill on November 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Quite true, the guy wasn’t the same as a major who has led troops in a combat arms unit, he was a “major” in terms of pay grade for being a doctor.

The leaders who screwed up by letting this guy stay around need to be disciplined. Any other people who meet this guy’s profile need to be looked at closely and preemptive action taken.

ray on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Obviously, enlisting the service of Muslims in the US military is a very, very bad idea. This American versus Muslim conflict rages in almost all Muslims and usually, Allah wins out.

Death by Political Correctness, as the alarms and sirens were ringing loudly everywhere warning that another outbreak of SJS was imminent.

awake on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM

I’m not trying to be a conspriacy geek

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Nothing wrong with that,they’re the ones who keep digging til they find something.

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Mediocre medical professionals automatically promoted.

If you want to see the future of government-run healthcare, look no further than the military.

My sister and I were born on an Army base in Japan and my parents were quite dismayed by the quality of care, even back then. Things like no painkillers during childbirth. More recently, we have friends who are former Army and they also denigrate the quality of medical care they received.

Common Sense on November 6, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Is it compatible with being an American?

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I honestly don’t know.

sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 10:09 AM

There are “Devout” Christians and Jews that are not compatible with the Military or America also. Should be prohibit all Christians and Jews from duty?

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Send along some links of when they committed mass homicide while shouting praise to their God on an American military base.

Hening on November 6, 2009 at 10:09 AM

How many more men and women will die because of the cancer that is political correctness.
There should not be one single Muslim in the armed forces who is not willing to be subjected to constant scrutiny in every aspect of his/her life.
Otherwise get out- this is insane.

jjshaka on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

If you’re talking red flags.

Why is Obama Commander in Chief?

Shout out!

there it is on November 6, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Why? Because George Bush invaded the wrong country and screwed up America. Then, the GOP ran a tired old man along with the a dope from Alaska. The result? President Barack Hussein Obama. Ain’t it grand?

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

Because in the Navy you have to protect the motherland.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Mass murderers are simply inexplicable, in my mind, anyway. You can’t predict them. You can’t defend against them. You can’t figure them out after the fact.

The closest I ever saw was Gary *** (can’t remember) who went on a killing spree. He was asked later why, and he said, “I just wanted to.”

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Ann — there are a lot of reasons people kill (“He slept with my wife” and “I wanted his sneakers” are two).

Expand your mind enough to consider the possibility that the statement “Allahu Akbar” might be this guy’s reason.

zenscreamer on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Obviously, enlisting the service of Muslims in the US military is a very, very bad idea. This American versus Muslim conflict rages in almost all Muslims and usually, Allah wins out.

Death by Political Correctness, as the alarms and sirens were ringing loudly everywhere warning that another outbreak of SJS was imminent.

awake on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM

–You’ll need Muslims in the service if you’re going to successfully fight and win in Muslim areas.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Why? Because George Bush invaded the wrong country and screwed up America. Then, the GOP ran a tired old man along with the a dope from Alaska. The result? President Barack Hussein Obama. Ain’t it grand?

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

The ‘08 election was a historical anomaly. A uniquely charismatic candidate was running at a time of deep war weariness, with an intensely unpopular Republican president, against a politically incompetent opponent, amid the greatest financial collapse since the Great Depression. And still he won by only seven points. – Charles Krauthammer

Enjoy it while you can, simpleton.

America is a center-right country.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 10:12 AM

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Hey beyotch, why do you respond to my posts after half an hour? Try to be fast on the uptake, crusty heifer.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Why? Because George Bush invaded the wrong country and screwed up America. Then, the GOP ran a tired old man along with the a dope from Alaska. The result? President Barack Hussein Obama. Ain’t it grand?

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Ummm, the tired old man and the dope from Alaska wouldn’t have given a shout out to someone in the midst of a horrible attack on American soil. Oh, and they wouldn’t be trying to take over health care too!

deidre on November 6, 2009 at 10:12 AM

According to Jihad Watch, there have been some 14000 muslim jihadist attacks around the world such as this since 9/11.

If you’re ever going to end this crap on US soil WE NEED TO LAUNCH A FULL SCALE ATTACK ON CAIR AND ELIMINATE THESE SCUM BEFORE THEY KILL US ALL.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Also very true. The political correctness went full speed under Clinton. I saw several field grade officers reprimanded by superiors for emphasizing “morality” with their soldiers, for being critical of “don’t ask don’t tell”, for having an opinion on women in combat positions, for mentioning their Christianity, etc… Tell the truth and you would get swatted by the PC generals who owed Clinton their stars.

ray on November 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I look forward to the day they publically execute him.

bannedbyhuffpo

Me too, but I have my doubts it’ll ever happen.

beachgirlusa on November 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM

This from AP, as I found it on Yahoo!:

FORT HOOD, Texas – Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted “Allahu Akbar!” — an Arabic phrase for “God is great!” — before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.

The base commander hasn’t confirmed the story, though.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Why? Because George Bush … screwed up America.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Could you be specific? Which specific economic policies led to America being “screwed up”? Also, would you support going back to the tax and regulation policies in place in 1979? Why or why not (show your work)?

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM

I am still bothered this morning, by the fact the FBI was so quick to make the assessment, that this wasn’t terrorism. Why the rush to judgement on this, before all the facts were in? Perhaps to protect Obama? I don’t like this being plaid as a stress disorder. Obviously this guy was one pancake short of a stack, but to scream out an Islamic quote, while killing….speaks volumes. Despite what a profiler on Fox news said this morning.

capejasmine on November 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Fox just got a massive dose of ‘taqiyya’ from a CAIR spokesman.

Tony737 on November 6, 2009 at 10:16 AM

FBI was so quick to make the assessment, that this wasn’t terrorism.

I think anyone who truly believes that is seriously delusional.

beachgirlusa on November 6, 2009 at 10:16 AM

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

What was the right country buttmuncher? Pakistan, Iran? LOL, you don’t even know where they are on the map, let alone their demographics and terrain. bwaahahahaha you demonstrate your ignorance every day with your lack of posting content and repeated monkey chants.

ray on November 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM

‘taqiyya’

Tony737

What’s that?

beachgirlusa on November 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM

It’s a canard that you have have Muslims in the military to speak the lingo- ever hear of the Defense Language Institute?
You just need people to be able to learn/speak a language.
Any recruitment of natives is done in the theater of action.

jjshaka on November 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Expand your mind enough to consider the possibility that the statement “Allahu Akbar” might be this guy’s reason.

zenscreamer on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Mass murderers are akin to spree killers. Yes, it’s murder, but it’s not in the same category.

It’s natural for everyone to try to explain it. The school shootings are a good example. Everyone focused on the “bully” factor.

But my opinion is that they cross a line that is, frankly, inexplicable to the rest of us. We can’t figure it out, really.

The story line is, however, emerging. He clearly turned whatever it was into an obsession about the army, Muslims, and became a jihadist. But the unibomber had a very clear framework, too.

The real connection? They wanted to kill to make some kind of statement that can’t cover up the fact that it was a completely self-centered perspective. The grandiosity and egocentric viewpoint grew this far more than anything else.

I did read a very good post yesterday by someone who discussed just how the shooter doesn’t even really feel much with automatic weapons. It’s just a muscular feeling. Then, later, when they are shot, they are focused on their own pain.

That made icky sense.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM

I hope the military command at Ft. Hood has the good sense and decency to award every victim of the attack by this despicable muslim barbarian the Purple Heart. Hasan was absolutely an “enemy combatant”. I look forward to the day they publically execute him.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

That would only happen if the administration is willing to say that this is a terrorist attack brought about by an Islamic American against his fellow soldiers. That is not going to happen for a slew of reasons.

Beyond that, a Purple Heart for getting shot while waiting to get shots (pun intended) in a clinic at Fort Hood? Maybe if on patrol in Detroit or New Orleans but it takes more than getting shot to get the medal (unless you are John Kerry). Part of the requirements for the Purple Heart deals with heroism. Where is the heroism in this situation?

That being said, there are individuals who should get recognition of some sort including the cop that supposedly took this scumbag down. Also the first responders and individuals who jumped in to immediately start medical treatment on the wounded.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 10:18 AM

What’s that?

beachgirlusa on November 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM

allows Muslims to conceal beliefs and thoughts

blatantblue on November 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM

What’s that? – Beach

That’s when muslims are permitted or even required to lie to infidels to advance the cause of islam.

Tony737 on November 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM

I am still bothered this morning, by the fact the FBI was so quick to make the assessment, that this wasn’t terrorism.

And the military reported him dead. Yeah, there was an awful lot of rushing. I presume some of that is natural, given the chaos.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM

FBI was so quick to make the assessment, that this wasn’t terrorism.

The gunman, first said to have been killed, was wounded but alive in a hospital under military guard, said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood. He was shot four times, and was on a ventilator and unconscious, according to military officials. “I would say his death is not imminent,” Cone said.

They’ve gotten a few “facts” wrong so far on this one.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

For the same reason they search little old ladies at airports but not middle eastern men.

behiker on November 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM

What’s that?

beachgirlusa on November 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM

It’s from Qur’an 3:28

Ibn Kathir, the classical Qur’anic commentator sees this as a way for Muslims to take friends with kuffar outwardly, but not truly. So pretty much its a doctrine of deception

blatantblue on November 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM

If this killer shouted his Muslim thing, it’s terror and the FBI needs to look deep to confirm he wasn’t part of a cell. I want the Feds to finally do their job (unlike at Waco and Ruby Ridge) and get real terrorists. If there was this guy, there might be others he knows.

We don’t need to hear there’s ‘no evidence he was part of a larger group’. We need to be reassured there IS no larger group as proven by investigation.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM

I remember the good old days growing up in the burbs. The sun used to shine, the birds were singing, there was a baseball or football game going on in every park and on every playground. There was no crime, we left our doors unlocked even when we went on vacation. If you left your bike out at night, it was there in the morning, and everyone looked like me.

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Ugh, I can’t stand watching the media coverage of this. “Oh, he had some mental health issues.”

No, the man was on his own personal Jihad. When are we going to stop pussyfooting around the issue, and admit that this was a deliberate attack on American soldiers?

Vera on November 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM

While I know this nut was motivated by the “Religion of Peace”. In most of these bad scenes that have occurred in the USA (911, Columbine, Va. Tech, Fort Hood) if someone had not ignored the signs or been to to PC then they would not have occurred.

Dire Straits on November 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM

I am a former US Army physician, and am still a consultant to a medical department at Walter Reed. I am very sad about the events at Ft. Hood, and am sorry Hasan survived his wounds (so far).

The decisions faced by Hasan’s supervisors at Walter Reed were difficult ones. There is always a shortage of qualified medical specialists in the Army. The Army had invested a huge amount of money in training Hasan through 4 years of medical school and 5 years or more of postgraduate training. He was just beginning his payback service for his training.

Imagine the headlines from the “friends” of the military and of Walter Reed at the Washington Post if Hasan had been administratively separated from the Army, and not been deployed. He and sympathetic Muslim groups might have portrayed him as the victim of racism and religious discrimination by the Army. Since being separated from the Army would have been a severe professional black mark, he might have sued for reinstatement, aggravating the PR problem. This was a no-win situation for Hasan’s Army medical supervisors, who chose the path to send him to complete his obligation, and now have to live with the consequences.

Hasan chose the most brutal, evil way he could envision to punish his fellow soldiers for his predicament. What a malevolent, narcissistic bastard. I’m afraid drawing and quartering would not even suffice to properly punish him for his actions.

neuromancer on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM

He said political correctness at the Pentagon was a huge problem.

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Have you ever worked there? It’s a huge building which is either a finely-tuned, well-oiled machine where thousands work in unison for the national defense. Or it’s a place where important work is done but with an awful lot of people running around in circles performing worthless tasks.

Guess which one is true? Politics and political correctness are definitely on full display. There are whole offices devoted to diversity, EEO, women, etc… each with a huge budget and the ability to influence US military policy through the backdoor.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 10:06 AM

No, I’ve never worked there, so all I know is what those who have tell me. But what you describe is basically what the Colonel (Uncle Walt) has told me. He’s hardcore old school whose colorful description of what’s going on at the Pentagon isn’t suited for Hot Air.

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM

There’s a HUGE muslim community in the Chicago Ridge/Palos/Orland area of the Chicago Southwest suburbs.
The local mall is crawling with women wearing tight jeans with stylish blouses that hit below the waist and hijabs. Many of these woman have kids-and most of the girls are dressed modest but not muslim.
I’ve been trying to convince myself that the fact that these women are almost always sans husbands and are wearing western clothes-except for the hijab-is actually progress-then I start questioning their loyalty to the values of this great nation. Did those woman rejoice yesterday-unfortunately I’m thinking many of them did.
The problem is islam-and it either needs to reform or disappear.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Screw the political correctness!! A muslim running around yelling allah ahkbar and killing innocent people. What needs to be explained? What needs to be understood ? All the rhetoric will just end up in a what did we do wrong to him hate america theme. The biggest mistake on this tragedy is the fanatic muslim is still alive.
And simplesimon can KMA

flyoverboy on November 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Yep, this tragedy is directly Obama’s responsibility for enforcing absurd levels of PC on government and the pentagon, while making open handed kissy face with terrorist countries and people, and throwing good countries and people under the bus. He has encouraged and emboldened the would be terrorists abroad and at home. 100% Obama’s fault.

ray on November 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM

The story line is, however, emerging. He clearly turned whatever it was into an obsession about the army, Muslims, and became a jihadist. But the unibomber had a very clear framework, too.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM

You’re right… there are unibombers cropping up every day all across the planet. The unibomber pattern is rampant. Every single day college professors are moving into shacks in isolated areas across the globe plotting to blow up technology workers. The death toll mounts on almost an hourly basis.

The parallels are eerie.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Mass murderers are akin to spree killers. Yes, it’s murder, but it’s not in the same category.

You go on to make the argument that he was a narcissist/sociopath — maybe true, I wouldn’t know. If so, he doesn’t appear to have been a high-functioning one.

That said, a spree killer is defined this way: “A spree killer, also known as a rampage killer, is someone who embarks on a murderous assault on his or her victims (two or more) in a short time in multiple locations.”(emphasis mine)

Not a spree killer. An army-trained self-made islamic jihadist.

zenscreamer on November 6, 2009 at 10:24 AM

I met a mass murderer once. For real. The brother of a friend was a brilliant linguist, but he had very obvious mental problems. He was staying with his brother, and I was left alone with him one afternoon. I think I was 18. He insisted we count all the spoons in the house.

He supposedly got back to some version of functioning. Later, he ended up on the top of a building in Dallas, Texas and was shooting people in the courtyard.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:24 AM

–You’ll need Muslims in the service if you’re going to successfully fight and win in Muslim areas.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:11 AM

That’s not necessarily true. They’re certainly helpful, but it’s not as though wars have never been won without someone similar to the people you’re fighting on your side.

Esthier on November 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM

neuromancer on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM

That was a perfect post, thanks.

ray on November 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM

It’s from Qur’an 3:28

Ibn Kathir, the classical Qur’anic commentator sees this as a way for Muslims to take friends with kuffar outwardly, but not truly. So pretty much its a doctrine of deception

blatantblue on November 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Muslim-basher! How dare you quote something from the 7th century.

;)

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM

narcissist/sociopath

No, plenty of people have that label. This is much further along the continuum.

And yes, I know that he’s different from spree, but the two types are akin.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Better question:

Why is he still alive?

Rocks on November 6, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Silver lining. If he shouted Allah Akbar, I think that means he can be tried under the Dem’s hate crime laws.

Then he can be shot by the military as a traitor.

Y-not on November 6, 2009 at 10:28 AM

“The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).” — Bukhari 7.62.88

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Better question:

Why is he still alive?

Rocks on November 6, 2009 at 10:26 AM

I rather like thinking that his God has a different consequence than quick death for him.

:)

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Has anyone seen PEACE from the “religion” of peace? EVER?

WhatsRight on November 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM

With medical care from wonderful people like Nidal, I can sleep well at night knowing our wounded vets are getting the very best government care.

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM

An army-trained self-made islamic jihadist.

BTW, we actually agree. That’s become quite clear.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

1)Because he had not yet committed a crime requiring his discharge, 2) his Officer Evaluation Reports were not bad enough to get him a bad conduct discharge, which is usually only done for behavioral problems, not performance problems. You can be a bad doctor and still hang around to do admin work as mentioned above by the Hot Air reader. 3) Because the country paid a half a million dollars to give him his education and we damn well deserve that return on investment. He owes us for his education and his job. And I don’t want Satan himself released from that obligation until he fails to show up for work or can’t follow directions to give the country that return on investment. Military officers, especially line officers, are loathe to let anyone out of a contract early because we set bad precedents when we do (look at how many folks CLAIMED they were gay in 1992-1994 to get out of service because they just didn’t want to be there anymore, and the military allowed it because of PC). If you signed on the dotted line, you do the time. We will supervise you more extremely than usual then.

Why was he transferred to Ft Hood if he had these problems?

1) Because he’s been an REMF for 7 yrs now and it was time for him to do his duty in another billet where he could actually help some kids in counseling close to the front lines, where he should have been extremely useful. He speaks Arabic, so there’s a help in Iraq there. He knows Islam, and so should have been able to reconcile Islamic thought with doing one’s duty for the US (obviously, he was incapable of that, but he had the potential to do so) Time to deploy like the rest of the Army. We don’t give dispensation to anyone to stay behind all the time just because they are afraid to go somewhere on deployment. You go where the President sends you. End of story.

Why was he promoted?

Because as a doctor, you don’t have to lead Men to be promoted. You just have to be a reasonably good doctor who follows orders. If the doc can walk and chew gum, based on good fitness reports and time in service he will be promoted along with everyone else in his class. The guys who don’t are bad docs, drunks, security risks, or have their hands on the wrong ass somewhere. Discriminating against him because he is Muslim is illegal right now.

Why were the radical jihadist warning signs ignored?

Obviously, they weren’t. The Army appears to me to have been trying to do something about this guy. They got him commissioned and had to deal with him as he came to them. So they counseled the Hell out of him, gave him extra supervision and tried to change his attitude towards his duty. They failed. That doesn’t mean they didn’t try. Maybe their risk assessments were faulty, but so is any risk assessment that claims Muslims can faithfully serve in the military without extraordinary evidence from them of allegiance to country over religion. Islam requires the faithful to oppose and kill Christians and apostates. If anyone is a devout Muslim, they are a danger to American soldiers and need to be watched. If you are not so devout, you may demonstrate your allegiance to America through your oath and your example. Fail to support your war or your mission should be grounds for discharge from the military, and loss of all benefits with punishment instituted (prison) for failure to meet your obligations of service.

During the Cold War, we didn’t allow Communists to serve openly in the US military. Membership in the Communist party was grounds for removal of security clearance, dismissal from service, and loss of benefits. They were our enemies and we weren’t even shooting at them. Why are Muslims not treated the same way today? Because we need their expertise. Therefore, before we hire them, they SHOULD BE REQUIRED to provide evidence of allegiance to the USA above their faith. End of story.

Congress get your head out of your ass and make it so.

Subsunk

Subsunk on November 6, 2009 at 10:30 AM

narcissist/sociopath

No, plenty of people have that label. This is much further along the continuum.

And yes, I know that he’s different from spree, but the two types are akin.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:26 AM

THat’s not nice to say about Obama, even if it is true

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:30 AM

mohamed hated peaceful muslims, Jews, and Christians. He was a sort of 7th century liberal democrat.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

Political Correctness.

kirkill on November 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM

“CAIR Condemns the Attack” ???

I don’t believe a word of that crap.

CAIR knows damn well that Quran 3:28 COMMANDS THEM TO LIE TO INFIDELS.

Any so-called CAIR “condemnation” of this jihad attack at Ft. Hood is a FARCE.

You believe any CAIR bull$hit propaganda at your own peril.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM

blatantblue

Tony737

Thx.

beachgirlusa on November 6, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Congress get your head out of your ass and make it so.

Subsunk

Subsunk on November 6, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Great post, thanks.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 10:32 AM

It’s a canard that you have have Muslims in the military to speak the lingo- ever hear of the Defense Language Institute?
You just need people to be able to learn/speak a language.
Any recruitment of natives is done in the theater of action.

jjshaka on November 6, 2009 at 10:17 AM

That’s not necessarily true. They’re certainly helpful, but it’s not as though wars have never been won without someone similar to the people you’re fighting on your side.

Esthier on November 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM

–We are apparently no longer aiming for a military victory in many areas, but are working with local leaders and people to try to get them in a position to govern themselves and be successful. Wouldn’t you need someone who can work with those people and who has more than language skills to be successful in this new environment?

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM

long gone……

jbh45 on November 6, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I think This Ain’t Hell has dead to rights:

Here’s a theory I have, that won’t be very popular; Hasan was/is a cheesy pogue pussy. He liked the amenities of being stationed near his home and living in the big city with a Major’s salary and suddenly he found himself at nasty-ass Fort Hood (I spent two years there and every minute trying to leave) looking at a deployment to a nastier place.

BohicaTwentyTwo on November 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

KTLA a few minutes ago: “The shooter was shouting ‘Allah Akbar’ but the motive for the shooting wasn’t clear.”

scrubjay on November 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

The road the Hell is paved with Political Correctness.

kirkill on November 6, 2009 at 10:36 AM

On a more serious note, I’d like to know what brain box thought it was a good idea for our servicemen and servicewomen, coming back traumatized by the wars, to have to work with a Muslim psychiatrist?

I am not saying that our service-people are bigoted, but surely the ones who came back in such a poor psychological state are not likely to be emotionally strong enough to confide in and receive therapy from someone who resembles the enemy.

It’s pretty standard stuff for people to choose mental health professionals with whom they can relate and be comfortable. Men tend to pick male shrinks, women tend to pick female shrinks. People tend to choose shrinks the can relate to. But our soldiers are stuck with this guy?

If this supposedly sane psychiatrist was so disturbed by stories of our soldiers war against Islam – to such an extent that many of his colleagues knew how upset he was – what in God’s name would make someone think our traumatized soldiers wouldn’t be just as uncomfortable with him?

The lack of common sense is frightening.

Y-not on November 6, 2009 at 10:36 AM

KTLA a few minutes ago: “The shooter was shouting ‘Allah Akbar’ but the motive for the shooting wasn’t clear.”

scrubjay on November 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

–There was at least one eyewitness account yesterday that said nothing about him shouting anything in Arabic.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:36 AM

I wonder if they will charge this scumbag with a hate crime as well as murder.

He hates the military, Americans and infidel Christians.

Of course not. Only white, heterosexual Christian guys are capable of a hate crime.

txdoc on November 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Here is the bottom Line, he used the U.S. Army to get his education paid for HE RAISED HIS HAND, took the oath to defend his country. HE IS A TRAITOR. He didn’t to defend his country but killing his fellow UNARMED country men no problem whatsoever? This is A P.O.S. Period end of story.

My husband processed out of Ft Hood, when he retired after 27 years in the Army, he is emailng me from Kabul, he is pretty much of the same mind.

been busy fortifying the fort with sand bags on the roof. What about that fort Hood incident with the Arab talibany. I hope he lives to be prosecuted and spends the rest of his life in Leavenworth-the basterd.

I truly do hope he stays alive. I truly do, and he will go to a Federal Prison where he will be at HARD LABOR till he passes hopefully of natural causes as a very old man. I hope has the opportunity to find LOVE in that same Federal Prison from many incentivised potential Lovers.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM

There are “Devout” Christians and Jews that are not compatible with the Military or America also. Should be prohibit all Christians and Jews from duty?

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

The cases aren’t remotely similar. Almost all forms of Christianity and Judaism in the United States encourage a patriotic love of this country. Even those that don’t like Rev Jim Wright’s Christianity still don’t encourage military action against the United States. In contrast, Islam urges jihad or war on infidel nations, like the United States. Devout muslims have no place in our military.

thuja on November 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Having been in the Army I can tell you that in combat scenarios the Army can be quick and decisive. Unfortunately, administratively, the Army is just another incompetent government bureaucracy. Case in point-after returning from overseas, we had to repaint all vehicles for an IG Inspection. All vehicles and related equipment were painted completely. But then an order came down that, in order to save money, all vehicles were to be spot painted-that is, painting only those areas where scratches and bare metal were showing. Rather than absorb criticism for “wasting” money by completely repainting vehicles, we waited for the new coat of paint to dry, and spot painted over that to make it look as if we had spot painted in the first place. There are over 100 similar stories I could relate.

The point is that combine bureaucratic inefficiency with political correctness and it is no surprise that a US hating Major was allowed to remain in the Army. Consequently I believe it is a mistake to look for an individual scapegoat (the Army can always find a junior officer or unpopular colonel to blame but it will NOT solve the problem.) I want to emphasize that it is the WHOLE SYSTEM-ESPECIALLY POLITICAL CORRECTNESS-THAT IS TO BLAME.

MaiDee on November 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

This guy sends up red flags all day long and the government allows him to stay in the Army. If they found out I was a lifetime member of the NRA I’d be on a national watch list as a possible terrorist.

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

neuromancer on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM

I agree. However, it was clear he had a screw loose. How fair is it to the patients to be stuck with an unstable doctor? If the ultimate goal is to provide quality care for your patients, I don’t see how keeping this guy around achieved it.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

KTLA a few minutes ago: “The shooter was shouting ‘Allah Akbar’ but the motive for the shooting wasn’t clear.”

scrubjay on November 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Sounds like doublespeak to me. I wonder if they got a call from the WH about what to say in their reports.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

He didn’t to defend his country but had no problem killing his fellow UNARMED country men, no problem whatsoever!

Sorry for the scramble, I am spitting angry.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Even those that don’t like Rev Jim Wright’s Christianity still don’t encourage military action against the United States…

thuja on November 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Well, not any more.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM

–There was at least one eyewitness account yesterday that said nothing about him shouting anything in Arabic.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 10:36 AM

The base commander was interviewed on CBS this morning and said that he did.

scrubjay on November 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I am so angry I can’t type straight.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM

capejasmine on November 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Are our soldiers a bit more wary of their muslim brethren this morning? If so, then this is terrorism. And that’s using the simplest, most traditional definition. Watching our leaders and media spin this away because it doesn’t help their agenda is both pathetic and frightening.

LibTired on November 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM

How long before they start naming streets after him in Muslim countries?

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM

For the record, I’m not blaming the Army. They don’t get to make the rules in these PC times.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

And if you attended a town hall or a tea party protest you will be considered a terrorist…..BUT, if you paid your taxes you are patriotic.

No, we can’t go back to the way the country was when you and I were kids….its long gone.

jbh45 on November 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM

It’s important to focus now on justice for the victims. There must be an expedited judicial process and swift execution. The manner of execution isn’t important, but the terrorist must be killed in a matter of weeks or months – not years. There is decedent for this. President Roosevelt made sure that certain Nazi sabotuers captured in the US were swiftly tried and killed. We need to show resolution in the face of this attack. Try him by Thanksgiving in front of a military tribunal. Kill him on Christmas.

Ted Torgerson on November 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Sounds like doublespeak to me. I wonder if they got a call from the WH about what to say in their reports.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

I’m almost betting most of them were given marching orders on this one. And being the good lil compliant lap dogs they are, they ran with it, to stay in this baffoons good favor.

capejasmine on November 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM

precedent

Ted Torgerson on November 6, 2009 at 10:41 AM

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