Why was Hasan still in the Army?

posted at 9:30 am on November 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

About three hours ago, the AP finally joined the Washington Post and some other national news organizations in reporting the “troubling portrait” of Nidal Malik Hasan, the man believed responsible for 13 deaths and dozens of wounded at the world’s largest army base.  In hearing these details, many people wonder why the Army had ordered Hasan into a war zone — and perhaps why Hasan remained in the military at all:

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some “difficulties” that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time. …

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case. …

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

USA Today has even more this morning:

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.

“He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist,” McCaul said.

McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like “he didn’t fit in.”

“He’s disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn’t believe in the mission, he’s looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq,” McCaul said. “He’s not happy about all that.”

McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.

“From an intelligence standpoint, that’s key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas,” McCaul said.

With all of these red flags, why was Hasan still in position to get deployed into a war zone?  Why hadn’t the Army taken action to isolate Hasan, or remove him entirely?  A Hot Air reader who served as a medical officer at Fort Hood earlier in this decade explains that the military has a great reluctance to act against his former colleagues, and that promotion of marginal medical officers is not unusual at all:

It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years. With a little more work and additional schooling, you could make full Colonel. But basically you can set your clock to getting promoted every 7 years. So he may have had one bad report, but probably did barely enough to get him through the promotion board. But we don’t know what “bad” means…he may have simply failed the physical fitness tests, or he may have no clinical skills at all.

The Army has a unique way of handling providers who pose an obvious threat to soldiers they are supposed to care for. We had one dental officer who practiced dentistry far below the standard of care. He was moved first to doing examinations only (the most benign job) and eventually moved to an administrative job. The Army unfortunately can’t fire anyone, they just take them out of the equation or move them around to where they can’t hurt anyone. Being released from the military is a different story. Hasan’s obligation to the military depends on how much ROTC time, medical school time and residency time added up to. So if the Army paid for his education, he is obligated to serve, and there’s almost no way out of that. He could pay the Army back that money and get out of the contract, but that’s a long, long paper trail. There’s always the conscientious objector route, but if he was sincere, and not the loon he is appearing to be, his chain of command (superior officers) might have exempted him from deployment. However, he is a medical officer and NOT a combat soldier, so that argument just about flies out the window, since his role is medical support, and not combat. I’ve heard a lot of ways out of deployment (ie Ehren Watada, Tina Mahuika) and each case is unique. Ultimately the final decision can be influenced by the chain of command’s perception of the officer.

So not only would the Army be highly reluctant to discharge him, Hasan probably had few options for leaving the service, assuming that the Army paid for his medical education. That explains his rank, and his predicament in getting shipped out to Iraq and/or Afghanistan.   As a medical officer and not (necessarily) a combat officer, the conscientious objector route would not have applied anyway.

We’ll keep up with this story during the day as more developments occur.

Update: I agree with Rick Moran to some extent that casting this as an example of a pending wave of Islamic jihad in the US is just a wee bit premature, as well as a pending wave of fraggings over US war policy, etc etc etc.  Hasan appears to be a lunatic whose motivations — at least as far as we know at this point — are entirely his own delusions.  We shouldn’t be afraid to report the facts, but we should be wary about drawing wide-reaching conclusions from them until we have a lot more certainty.


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Maybe they’re a little too PC there?

perroviejo on November 6, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Ask yourself this – why does West Point have a Mosque on it’s grounds?

jake-the-goose on November 6, 2009 at 9:33 AM

He way about to be deployed! It was pre-traumatic stress, I tell you.

Southpaw on November 6, 2009 at 9:34 AM

He is a Muslim terrorist. It seems we give him the benefit of any doubts. Unlike Pelosi gives the CIA.

seven on November 6, 2009 at 9:34 AM

“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

Is that place really a country now?

perroviejo on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM

I’d be concerned about any medication he had access to.

artist on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM

That picture of him is creepy. He’s got that Tony Perkins in Psycho grin. Would you want a psychiatrist with that look?

Techie on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM

From the outside looking in it sounds like PC has run amuck. If a Muslim strenuously objects to going to war against Muslim jihadists, why not just keep him stateside?

That said, I’ve got no military experience, so I have to trust the military knows what it is doing. But left alone by civilians, how would our generals handle these situations?

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.
“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

This should have been a HUGE red flag.

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Someone dropped the ball here and has a lot to answer for. This guy obviously was dangerous and it appears people looked the other way.

Reminds me of the shooter at Virginia Tech. Some teachers tried to raise red flags but they went unanswered as well.

gophergirl on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I understand from someone who seemed to know that the military loathes to let the doctors out of their obligations.

It’s nearly impossible.

I’m unclear why, if he was obviously having problems, he was deployed to work with those who deserve the best, but I guess that’s the nature of the military.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Political correctness runs rampant among the brass. I’d be willing to bet a thousand bucks it had a significant influence.

OhioCoastie on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

From Military.com:

Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim.

“I got the impression that he was a committed Soldier,” Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan’s desire for a wife.

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

Maybe that should have been the biggest red flag…ya think!

Patriot Vet on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Political correctness run amuck. He is a Muslim, who if fired, admit it, he’ll sue and the MSM will say that the military has animosity against Muslims.

The guy committed jihad on our soldiers, and we’re suppose to turn a blind eye to his religion?

cubachi on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

7 I was curious about #1… quick google search produced this:

http://tinyurl.com/ygg54rf

Fom the link:
“The gunman who killed 12 people today at Ft. Hood appears, based on current media reports, to be Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan who was listed as a participant in a Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force last year.

The task force was not officially affiliated with the White House. It was a project of the Homeland Security Policy Institute, an independent thinktank housed at George Washington University, aimed at drafting policy recommendations for the incoming Obama administration.”

Posted by: Doc at November 06, 2009 12:31 AM (rzJpR)

nondhimmie on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Would this have happened under Bush? Would this have been prevented under Bush?

We know what happens under Obama. Terrorism is seeping back in, like the good old Clinton days that some seem to pine for.

EMD on November 6, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

{jeopardy theme plays}

LibTired on November 6, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Political Correctness KILLS!

Bevan on November 6, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Want to see what islam is all about? Wait for the muslim backlash when this monster gets the firing squad.

marklmail on November 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Religion of Peace my a$$. When are the American people going to wake up and realize that we’re at war? These radical islamic motherf—-rs are instructed by their holy book to kill infidels to get on allah’s good side.

There may be some muslims that are really nice people, but until they stand up and say “No more!” they are just as guilty as this scumbag. They’re probably celebrating in Minneapolis and the DC suburbs. Those, also, are the enemy.

rmgraha on November 6, 2009 at 9:40 AM

He tried to convert patients. That is unethical. He was sexist and should have been disciplined for that. The field of psychiatry attracts a lot of nuts and they always have to be on guard. However, political correctness gave this man a pass to exhibit as much aberrant behavior as he wanted.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?

Political correctness, that’s why. It’ll be the death of us.

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 6, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Because the military needed to meet its multiculti targets.

Track-A-'Crat on November 6, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Can this country please stop this inane PC crap that has now even seeped into our military??? When??? Imagine having Nazis in the military in the 40′s! We are at WAR with Islam!
Oh, btw, Obama is a jackass. That little disgusting “speech” he gave just pisses me off. What a disgusting human. Forget his politics…he’s a weasel.

Catherine Wilkinson on November 6, 2009 at 9:41 AM

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.
“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

He was trying to score those hot Palestinian chicks, of course.

TXUS on November 6, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Political correctness run amuck. He is a Muslim, who if fired, admit it, he’ll sue and the MSM will say that the military has animosity against Muslims.

The guy committed jihad on our soldiers, and we’re suppose to turn a blind eye to his religion?

cubachi on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

It isn’t being ignored, but it’s unfortunately true that we have had experience now with several mass murderers. They all have some supposed reason or background that is tempting to blame. The real connection with all of them is that they chose to deal with internal rage through murder.

In short, they all wanted to kill others as revenge for some crazy perceived wrong they are suffering, whether that’s being bullied in school or whatever the focus of their obsession.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 9:41 AM

More, there were his internet postings and other statements sympathetic to terrorists.

The above question is a good one indeed.

WannabeAnglican on November 6, 2009 at 9:41 AM

“I got the impression that he was a committed Soldier,” Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan’s desire for a wife.

So it comes back to the 72 virgins. You sick bastard.

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 9:42 AM

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

To use what appears to be the hip buzzword this week- The above statement is a gamechanger.

It is not normal for a disgruntled Army Officer to have come to the attention of law enforcement if this were merely over performance ratings or deployments. It also should have been enough to prevent deployment and, if known at the time, transfer from Walter Reed.

I’m sorry but sombody in Hasan’s chain-of-command needs to be held accountable here. The red flags may or may not have been enough to merit discharge but they certainly needed to be taken more seriously.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:42 AM

I’d be concerned about any medication he had access to.

artist on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Meds are usually stored at the pharmacy and the only way to get those are through a prescription. If he went to a pharmacy with a script filled out by him that would raise red flags right away. He could get samples of meds but those have to be accounted for too. It would be interesting to see if he had written himself prescriptions for meds.

Brat4life on November 6, 2009 at 9:42 AM

I don’t think there any RED flags anymore just YELLOW for tiptoeing around what is right in front of our faces!

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 9:42 AM

I think the military may have made a mistake I see a lot of people making in our culture: They put the doctor on a pedestal.

After all, he had a good job, made good money and was educated. Right?

They didn’t imagine that he could become a “real” problem.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 9:43 AM

If you’re talking red flags.

Why is Obama Commander in Chief?

Shout out!

there it is on November 6, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Ed, I can tell you that much of the Pentagon has gone quite far into the PC category. There have been reports in the past of it. Don’t be surprised about this one.

There are two words hanging over this man right now: court martial. Most likely, he will face the death penalty.

I don’t think this was the kind of martyrdom he was wishing for… because, by the time the UCMJ is done with him, he’s going to wish he was never born.

newton on November 6, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Political correctness runs rampant among the brass. I’d be willing to bet a thousand bucks it had a significant influence.

OhioCoastie on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I once asked a retired Colonel (full-bird) who’d had a few drinks why he didn’t make General.

His answer, “I always tell the truth.”

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM

An angry raghead psychiatrist who praises suicide bombers and takes extra shooting training?

Who could have seen this coming?

Anders on November 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM

“I don’t know why he listed Palestinian,” Khan said, “He was not born in Palestine.”

This should have been a HUGE red flag.

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM

And that red flag said… “LEAVE THIS GUY ALONE OR THE DAMN ACLU, CAIR AND CONGRESS WILL BE ALL OVER YOUR A$$!”

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM

It’s astonishing that this jihadi pos wasn’t removed and disarmed.

Jaibones on November 6, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Someone reported he was a Jordanian. I cant remember who.

becki51758 on November 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM

If you’re talking red flags.

Why is Obama Commander in Chief?

Shout out!

there it is on November 6, 2009 at 9:43 AM
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His campaign was freakin’ red flag to all who had sense!

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Possibly, had the army drummed him out, he would have done the same thing as a civilian in a civilian setting. Man appears to have been un-balanced to the point where he was likely to flip anywhere.

jeanie on November 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM

I doubt you’ll hear much about this story after this weekend. The facts of the case are too uncomfortable for the gatekeepers in the MSM. And it doesn’t serve to advance the President’s agenda.

Asher on November 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM

This should have been a HUGE red flag.

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM

You mean like a person who lists his birthplace as Hawaii but was pretty much raised outside the United States?

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Why wasn’t he discharged? Because all hell (CAIR) would’ve broken loose, and whomever was/were the signer/s of the discharge papers would’ve been made into a pariah and racist and bigot and…and..

hoosiermama on November 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I’m unclear why, if he was obviously having problems, he was deployed to work with those who deserve the best, but I guess that’s the nature of the military.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Thats an easy one, Ann.

He’s Muslim. Imagine the headline: “Muslim kicked out of Army for being Muslim” or “Army discriminates against Muslim beliefs; sends Muslim doctor to war zone”.

Sorry, when you decide to serve in the military, you don’t get to decide which war you will or will not fight in. If he was truly conflicted about his duty to his country and his duty to his religion, which are at odds at present, he should have resigned his commission so he could be the perfect Muslim. Period.

No sympathy is deserved. The military is not a democratic organization. They tell you that on day 1.

BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Um, jeanie, he is evil, not unbalanced. Let’s call it as it is.

OhioCoastie on November 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM

The politicially correct policies of the military bureaucracy is just as much to blame as the murderer himself.

I do think there is plenty of room for true mulsim patriots to serve in our military but these asinine policies which ignore obvious red flags hurts Muslim Americans who are serving and gets others killed.

Daemonocracy on November 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM

And that red flag said… “LEAVE THIS GUY ALONE OR THE DAMN ACLU, CAIR AND CONGRESS WILL BE ALL OVER YOUR A$$!”

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM

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So,are there any out there who would say, damn the consequences,this is the truth?!Please tell me this country is not that far gone.

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM

It’s Bush’s fault.
/sarc

Bruno Strozek on November 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM

I understand from someone who seemed to know that the military loathes to let the doctors out of their obligations.

It’s nearly impossible.

I’m unclear why, if he was obviously having problems, he was deployed to work with those who deserve the best, but I guess that’s the nature of the military.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

If the military is going to sink hundreds of thousands of dollars into you by paying for college, still getting a paycheck, and all the extras they are going to make sure they are going to get a return on that investment. Otherwise you would have hundres of people getting a free ride and nobody sticking around in the military. Free college, med school, and a paycheck then they want to leave the military. How many people would be lining up to be doctors if they knew they could get a free ride and not have to serve. You can make more money as a civilian than a military doctor.

Brat4life on November 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM

His parents were from the West Bank according to Jihad Watch.

Palestine does not exist.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Ask yourself this – why does West Point have a Mosque on it’s grounds?

jake-the-goose on November 6, 2009 at 9:33 AM
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Why not? They probably have a Church.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:49 AM

I would hate to be his treating physician…you know how hard it must be to give him adequate care.

deidre on November 6, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Why wasn’t he discharged? Because all hell (CAIR) would’ve broken loose, and whomever was/were the signer/s of the discharge papers would’ve been made into a pariah and racist and bigot and…and..

hoosiermama on November 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I don’t know that I agree with this. They weren’t afraid to hand him a “poor” perfromance review.

I haven’t heard yet if the writings were ever proven to be his.

I do think his MD status played a huge part. Plus, who would think that someone who deals with PTSD patients would open fire on soldiers?

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

It’s Bush’s fault.
/sarc

Bruno Strozek on November 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM

You kid… but that’s coming.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Someone reported he was a Jordanian. I cant remember who.

becki51758 on November 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM

I think his parents came from Jordan, but he was born in America.

Why he would join the military, where he’d be very likely to have to take orders from women, and infidel women at that, I don’t know.

One report said he always refused to have his picture taken for staff pictures at Walter Reed if there was to be a woman in it. And PC being what it is, he apparently got away with that.

Wethal on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Why was Hasan still in the Army?
{jeopardy theme plays}

LibTired on November 6, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Blitzer: “What is, his love for submarines?”

fogw on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Someone or somes indeed dropped the ball but how many more Hasans are there? I’ll bet quite a few.
WTF are we doing?
Not only that, look at this nutjob’s timing? Pelosi and Boxere are instituting Marxism and we are focussed on this nutjob who never should have been there in the first place.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Mr. President, all praise be to him, will speak on this matter in about an hour. I don’t know what he’ll say, but I guarantee you that you’ll be able to fertilize your lawn with it.
The Army Brass need to be held partially responsible for this. I saw on Fox last night that Hasan’s parents are from a small Jordanian town.

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

I know it’s probably silly…but my husband (former Marine), shakes his head and says that the Army has problems…they are a mess.

I know…he’s a Marine. In his mind, the Marines rule the day. lol~

bridgetown on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

The carnage he has caused here at home is unthinkable, but can you imagine the chaos he could have caused if he had gone overseas. The military needs to face reality. Being a devout Muslim is NOT compatible with being in the military. Period.

sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

The scourge of political correctness/multiculti ideology run amok. Inevitable outcomes.

Diane on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Yet with all of the red flags Hasan was promoted to Major???

Figure that one out

iam7545 on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

His parents were ARE MUSLIMS from the West Bank ISRAEL according to Jihad Watch.

Palestine does not exist.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:49 AM

FIFY

;)

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

It’s astonishing that this jihadi pos wasn’t removed and disarmed.

Jaibones on November 6, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Should’ve been dislegged, too.

TXUS on November 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

you know how hard it must be to give him adequate care.

deidre on November 6, 2009 at 9:49 AM
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You know how hard it would be to ,say give him a little more morphine or a little slip of a surgeon’s knife or a little squeezing of a oxygen tube!:)MMMMMMM

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Aren’t Palestine, Hawaaii and Kenya suburbs? Let’s aks the fine D.C. middle school students where these suburbs are.

seven on November 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Yet with all of the red flags Hasan was promoted to Major???

Figure that one out

iam7545 on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Extremely Affirmative Action.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

The carnage he has caused here at home is unthinkable, but can you imagine the chaos he could have caused if he had gone overseas. The military needs to face reality. Being a devout Muslim is NOT compatible with being in the military. Period.

sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Nor is it compatible with America.

SouthernGent on November 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

An angry raghead psychiatrist who praises suicide bombers and takes extra shooting training?

Who could have seen this coming?

With all due respect, could we keep this thread free of the term “raghead?” I’m not overly PC but this particular term just rubs me the wrong way because of its connotations in the past.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:53 AM

I once asked a retired Colonel (full-bird) who’d had a few drinks why he didn’t make General.

His answer, “I always tell the truth.”

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM
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My father made Admiral, I asked him how he got there.

His answer, “I always tell the truth.”

Problem is…the politicization of the military and all that they do.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:53 AM

If the military is going to sink hundreds of thousands of dollars into you by paying for college, still getting a paycheck, and all the extras they are going to make sure they are going to get a return on that investment.

Yes, of course.

I’m reminded of the book I read about training some of the Iraqis. The point was made that these are men who are babied by their mothers, allowed to dominate sisters, allowed to dominate wives and emerge into adulthood essentially like teenage children.

Their sense of entitlement is huge.

I kept thinking about how very immature he really was. Take all that education and then decide he didn’t want to pay the price?

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 9:53 AM

So not only would the Army be highly reluctant to discharge him, Hasan probably had few options for leaving the service, assuming that the Army paid for his medical education. That explains his rank, and his predicament in getting shipped out to Iraq and/or Afghanistan. As a medical officer and not (necessarily) a combat officer, the conscientious objector route would not have applied anyway

Right. Physicians usually incur 7 years of ADSO (active duty service obligation) as a “paybeack” for attending USHS and residency training. Following the 7 years of service, the officer can leave the Army. Many stay on and serve in extraordinary fashion and provide outstanding care.

This individual is an outlier and not indicative of the Army Medical Department nor military physicians. He was a low performer and disgruntled. Current guidance is that “everyone goes” meaning to Iraq or Afghanistan. If you are an officer at the rank of MAJ or LTC today, in 2009, and you haven’t been to Iraq or Afghanistan, either there are some extenuating circumstances with your assignments (ie training) or you are a problem. If this physician left WRAMC to Ft Hood, he was sent there to be a BN surgeon or to run a MH clinic overseas. It is right and proper for all physicians and officers to be in deployment positions with 2 wars underway. It’s not a matter of liking it, it’s a matter of doing it, selflessly, despite your own personal persuasions and beliefs.

This individual traded his freedom to bitch and moan about the mission and his ideology for the opportunity of a lifetime–to receive excellent medical and residency training that he could get a license and practice with. He apparently wanted the goodies, but couldn’t lay down the ideology side of things and committed the largest act of selfishness he could ever commit. He screwed the Army every day by providing poor care, being a poor officer, bitching about the mission, and bitching about the deal that he signed his name to support.

It was his responsibility as an officer to do his duty. He acted selfishly and failed that on his patients. It was his responsibility as an officer to obey his orders and deploy, he acted selfishly and failed to do that. It was his responsibility to care for soldiers that he came into contact with, and he harmed them with lethal force. He took an oath and had a contract to do the job he was making a good living to do, and he failed to do that. I am ashamed of his performance, and ashamed that he claimed the lives of my brothers and sisters in arms to act out his selfish motivations, whatever they were. It is truly a sad day for our Army and our country and my heart goes out to my friends at Ft. Hood, TX.

ted c on November 6, 2009 at 9:54 AM

It’s Bush’s fault.
/sarc

Bruno Strozek on November 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM
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No doubt!Too much stress from all these wars!

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Yet with all of the red flags Hasan was promoted to Major???

Figure that one out

iam7545 on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

It’s automatic, I’m told.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Being a devout Muslim is NOT compatible with being in the military. Period.

sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Is it compatible with being an American?

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Extremely Affirmative Action.

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Not really. Pretty much automatic for medical folks.

Extreme Affirmative Action is becoming President with 3 years as a community organizer, 18 months in the State Senate, and 155 days in the US Senate.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Truly sad.

ted c on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Being a devout Muslim is NOT compatible with being in the military. Period.

sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM
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Sure it is. Being an Islamofascist? Not so much.

There are “Devout” Christians and Jews that are not compatible with the Military or America also. Should be prohibit all Christians and Jews from duty?

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Enough with the “raghead” cracks. His race is irrelevant. Focus on his religion & worldview.

OhioCoastie on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Political correctness is the gift that keeps on giving. Its biggest victory was the election of Barack Hussein Obama, a closet muslim and anti-American communist, to the presidency of the formerly great U.S. It continues to give until we are no more.

theaddora on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Alas, we are discovering that the dipshit-in-chief is a alien-in-chief. As they say, you can fool all of the people some of the time…

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Being a devout Muslim political correct is NOT compatible with being in the military. Period.

sammypants on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 AM

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:57 AM

I once asked a retired Colonel (full-bird) who’d had a few drinks why he didn’t make General.

His answer, “I always tell the truth.”

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM
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My father made Admiral, I asked him how he got there.

His answer, “I always tell the truth.”

Problem is…the politicization of the military and all that they do.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:53 AM

I believe that. I’ve known three generals; each was a man of high character. The colonel who said that finished his career at the Pentagon. He said political correctness at the Pentagon was a huge problem.

flyfisher on November 6, 2009 at 9:58 AM

PC was a problem in the Army even back in the 70′s when I served. It has only gotten worse. Since the military is funded and run by ignorant PC civilians, there may be no solution to this problem. At best we might be able to mitigate the dangers. We will never eliminate them. That being said, we have a moral obligation to our troops to protect them from dangers within. Otherwise, we have no right to expect them to protect us from dangers without.

SKYFOX on November 6, 2009 at 9:58 AM

hey, has anyone noticed the surveillance video linked on cnn.com? When you click the video it is the same one AP linked yesterday, but on the front page the still shot is a picture of Hasan in some dark shirt, looks like scrubs, not in his white robe & cap. In other words, it’s from a different surveillance video, one in which he’s dressed less conspicuously.

vermillionsky on November 6, 2009 at 9:58 AM

There are “Devout” Christians and Jews that are not compatible with the Military or America also. Should be prohibit all Christians and Jews from duty?

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

If they’re going to be traitors, yes.

The problem with “devout” Muslims is that in today’s world “devout” is too often synonymous with jihadist. Certainly if someone was an open jihadist you’d support kicking him out of the military… wouldn’t you?

mankai on November 6, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Fox News keeps trying to sell the idea he was from Virginia.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Problem is…the politicization of the military and all that they do.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:53 AM

No, the problem is not letting the military be the military. We could go in today and take down whatever opposition is in Afghanistan if the ROE were not written by a boy scout, a nun, and a UN Commissioner. Of course such an action also comes with consequences but the point is that the filthy lying coward in the White House is half-stepping (i.e. dithering) instead of committing to a workable strategy. And a lot more than 12 soldiers are paying the price for his dithering.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Practicing islam is sedition and treason.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Military doctors and lawyers always get special different treatment by the military. Paid more, faster to get rank, most are there to pay back commitment for schooling paid for by the military.

albill on November 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM

I don’t want to hunt this list for quotes, but I think we’re slightly missing the target. Talking about “political correctness” and “multiculturalism” — those are Lib words designed to cover up what is really going on: thinking of people as “groups” rather than individuals.

Detaining, demoting, imprisoning, executing one PERSON is not an act against a GROUP — the Libs jump up and down that it is, and time and again we duck the issue and let them get away with it.

So it’s come to this. A paid member of our armed services whose actions (attending prayer) are at variance to his records (listed as no religion) and who has caused a variety of incidents as an employee, suffers no repercussions until he actually SHOOTS PEOPLE????

zenscreamer on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Right. Just try getting rid of a “troubled Muslim” in the workplace in this PC world. Imagine what the ACLU could do with that one–the Army is trying to fire a physician–a psychiatrist–because he’s Muslim? Get real. However, I’d like to think they could have found a way to neutralize the guy. It’s disturbing that he was going to be deployed.

labwriter on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

There are “Devout” Christians and Jews that are not compatible with the Military or America also. Should be prohibit all Christians and Jews from duty?

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

To be a good Christian or a good Jew, you need not destroy those who believe other than you. In fact, you must not.
To be a good Muslim, you must convert or destroy or at least subjugate the infidel. Where is your moral equivalence?

SKYFOX on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

The military official, who did not have authorization to discuss the matter publicly and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity, said Hasan had indicated he didn’t want to go to Iraq but was willing to serve in Afghanistan.

A neighbor at the apartment building near Fort Hood where Hasan lived said they had recently discussed his impending deployment to Afghanistan.

From an AP report. So he was going to Afghanistan, to which he didn’t object? At least initially?

Wethal on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

No, the problem is not letting the military be the military
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And there you have it!!!!!The military’s hands are tied!

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Im wondering if this guys isnt really dead. The General said that he was there on the scene quickly, lots of other soldiers were there, first responders; all who are very well versed in checking pulses.

I’m not trying to be a conspriacy geek. Just seems odd that they could confuse the gunman with ANYONE else at the scene. His sorry ass was the first that was secured; he WAS the immediate threat. After he was shot, I would bet that NO ONE left his side. If he was alive, they knew it. If was dead, they were sure! He wasnt resurrected til the FBI showed up. All seems odd.

OSUBuciz1 on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

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