Video: Obama says to wait for facts before reaching conclusions
posted at 2:30 pm on November 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama gave his second statement on the Fort Hood massacre, and this one went better than his first. He cautioned Americans to let law-enforcement agencies do their job in investigating the 13 murders apparently committed by Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan and to avoid “jumping to conclusions” based on incomplete data. Although this statement has prompted angry responses in e-mail, in this case Obama’s correct — almost anticlimactically so:
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President Barack Obama said Friday the entire nation is grieving for those slain at Fort Hood, and he urged people not to jump to conclusions while law enforcement officers investigate the shootings.
Obama met Friday morning with FBI Director Robert Mueller and other federal leaders to get an update on what they’ve learned. Thirteen people were killed and 30 others injured in the shooting rampage at the Texas Army post on Thursday. The suspected shooter is an Army psychiatrist; his motive remains unclear.
“We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” Obama said in a Rose Garden statement otherwise devoted to the economy.
“What we do know is that there are families, friends and an entire nation grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday,” the president said.
Of course we shouldn’t jump to any conclusions, although the impulse to do so is very, very tempting. What do we have? A single data point on a mass shooting where the suspect apparently yelled “Allahu akbar!” before killing 13 people. That could mean a wide range of things, from a conspiracy to commit a series of such attacks, to a militant anti-war action, or to just a lunatic with a religious delusion. That’s why we have law enforcement to investigate crimes — so that conclusions will be based on fact rather than conjecture.
Earlier this year, conservatives howled, and rightly so, when Janet Napolitano issued a report on “right-wing domestic terrorism” that advised law enforcement that opposition to abortion and Obama policies could be indicators of potential extremist violence. The report based that on a couple of lunatics murdering abortionists. It also warned that former combat veterans could fall prey to right-wing militia groups and commit terrorism, based on the single named example of Timothy McVeigh. We were right to criticize that report as entirely conjectural and lacking any specific reasoning. We should not rush to make the same mistake with the Fort Hood massacre.
There is certainly room for criticism of the coverage of the shooting, especially the reluctance of some outlets to report the known facts of Hasan’s circumstances. We deserve to have all the facts presented without bias so as to reach the right conclusions. However, we need to wait for all the facts in order to make sure we do. Rushing to conclusions now does no one any good at all, and almost guarantees that we will reach the wrong ones, such as the one Newsweek waited less than a day to float:
What if Thursday’s atrocious slaughter at Fort Hood only signals that the worst is yet to come? The murder scene yesterday afternoon at the Killeen, Texas, military base, the largest in the country, was heart-wrenching. Details remained murky, but at least 13 are dead and 30 wounded in a killing spree that may momentarily remind us of a reality that most Americans can readily forget: soldiers and their families are living, and bending, under a harrowing and unrelenting stress that will not let up any time soon. And the U.S. military could well be reaching a breaking point as the president decides to send more troops into Afghanistan.
As one person said in Rick Moran’s comments, it reminds me of the conclusion-leaping that took place when the St. Anthony Bridge collapsed in Minneapolis two years ago, which also killed 13 people. The Left didn’t wait for longer than six hours to blame it on Tim Pawlenty’s budget cuts; in the end, it was a design flaw from the original construction that doomed the bridge.
Update: Good point from commenter Dingbat63; Barack Obama should have heeded this advice when he leaped to the conclusion that Cambridge police “acted stupidly” when they arrested Skip Gates. Beer summit!










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Our government will never speak out against Islam. The media and Hollywood will never speak out against it.
It is a vile, gutter religion that promotes death and intolerance. I, for one, have lost any tolerance for it. It deserves no more tolerance than the KKK, The Nazi Party, the Black Panthers, or the Weather Underground.
Star20 on November 6, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Yeah…. it creates an interesting situation, when you want to take a Person’s Oath seriously… to defend the Constitution, even when their religion disagrees with it…
But it also says IN that Religion’s text, that its OK to LIE, even in an Oath, to those not of your religion…
Makes it very difficult to trust…
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 7:47 PM
I don’t need Obama telling me not to jump to conclusion because every conclusional jump I’ve had concerning him has been spot on!
In fact when I first heard about the attack my first jump to conclusion was… ‘this guys a muslim”.
It’s getting so freakin’ predictable lately it’s scary!
katy on November 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Nazism and Shintoism had centralized authority. Communism, at least the Communism that was “destroyed” (USSR) also had a central authority.
There is no central authority in Islam. Islam has no borders, it has no real leaders. The authority is the Koran. And it cannot be changed.
July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 7:51 PM
CatchAll on November 6, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Hey Romeo,
Juliet’s calling.
She wants you to take out the trash.
wyntre on November 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I would say that all of Islam is 1.5 billion barbarian lunatics with a religious delusion.
You don’t reason with a mad dog foaming at the mouth. You put it down.
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My bad. There, I fixed it.
CatchAll on November 6, 2009 at 7:54 PM
I guess we were wrong. Apparently, some imam in the D.C. area says this didn’t have anything to do with him being a Muslim…….
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.4302994757b171bec8635f48ee413c91.781&show_article=1
Star20 on November 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM
HUH? Islam… means SUBMISSION. It has a heirarchy all its own… within its various sects. Heck, even Nazism didn’t make you do a Pilgrimage to some City…
Yes, they are splintered, but that does not mean you can’t run an information campaign pointing out how their beliefs, and writings, are the antithesis of FREEDOM.
IMO Islam is waging War against the Philosophy of the West… yet we are, through our own PC’ness, not willing to fight back…
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 7:57 PM
“Taqiyah” Lying to defend or promote Islam. It is permitted, and all muslims can practice it.
paulsur on November 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Wow… what wit… never heard that one before…
Sorry, but I divorced Juliet years ago… too much of a drama queen… all that suicide crap…
(and just as an aside, Romeo-13 was my callsign during Desert Storm Boarding Ops…)
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Romeo,
Thanks for your service. I was the starboard 20mm gunner on a river assault boat, in the Mekong Delta.
Star20 on November 6, 2009 at 8:06 PM
/Salute
Hats off to ya… much tougher environment than I ever had to operate in…
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM
At least Barry didn’t say Officer Munley acted stupidly.
profitsbeard on November 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM
By trashing America in the Muslim world, 0bama gave his blessing to guys like Hasa to act out.
You OWN this Barack Obama!
joe btfsplk on November 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM
I guess that settles it. Surely an imam wouldn’t have a vested interest in how this might reflect on his religion.
Oh, and AFAIK, this dude has not yet seen combat duty. So I’m not sure how PTSD would apply
Fed45 on November 6, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Obama says that his job as American president is to make sure Islam is not ill-spoken of. If we jump to conclusions, we directly connect ‘Allahu Akbar’ with the teachings of Islam and conclude, rightly, that Islam breeds terrorism. We are being asked not to jump to conclusions to protect the image of Islam.
Word to Obama: Islam has had a bloody image for the last 1409 years. You’re too late, bud.
SilentWatcher on November 6, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every step you take
Obama wants to be controlling you
Every single day
Every word you say
Every night you stay
Obama wants to be controlling you
Oh, cant you see
He wants all to submit to the sheeple collective Obama we
To control all your life how his heart does ache
With every step you take
Every move you make
Every dollar you make
Every claim you stake
Obama wants to be controlling you
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 8:28 PM
The last time we jumped to conclusions, it ended in a beer summit.
Spathi on November 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Obama….you crypto-Muslim, siding with Islam just as you promised to do…..STFU please, you twat.
Fortunata on November 6, 2009 at 8:57 PM
The Flag on the Federal Building across the street was at half mast today.
There were a few facts for which Obama didn’t wait before ordering that.
We’ll see.
unclesmrgol on November 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Have Koran Will Murder reads the card of the devote Muslim man
A follower of Mohammad in a world he want’s to turn into a vast wasteland
His vile mouth heeds the calling of a Koranic wind
A man without a shred of decency is Mohammad’s disciple called Hasadin
Hasadin, Hasadin, Where do you roam?
Hasadin, Hasadin, Just be sure to never leave your guidebook the Koran at home
He travels on to hate and murder whenever he feels he must
His yearning to please Allah is his guiding lust
These are facts that need no spin
Of Mohammad’s devoted follower
Of his disciple called Hasadin
Hasadin, Hasadin, Where do you roam?
Hasadin, Hasadin, Just be sure to never leave your guidebook the Koran at home
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM
“We” didn’t jump to any conclusions. All the facts were present long before Obama jumped the shark; he just didn’t believe them.
unclesmrgol on November 6, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Someone get this BULLSEYE to ED MORRISSEY!
Im glad that only ED and OBAMA and his media pups are reserving judgment. The rest of the WORLD gets it.
OSUBuciz1 on November 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM
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RalphyBoy on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Come on dude, he’s Christian through and through…
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY
katy on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 PM
It’s a war on Islamic terrorism, Ed. I’m with Colonel Ralph Peters on this one.
JKahn913 on November 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Barry, you worthless whatever. You’re in so far over your head, you have to look up to look down. I used to dislike you. Now I just feel sorry. Do the whole country a favor and quietly go away.
Mr. Grump on November 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Dear Leader waited for all of the evidence to come in before he declared that the incident in Honduras was a “military coup”, didn’t he?
darwin-t on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 PM
This just in: Its contagious. He caught it from (heroic) Americans he was in contact with in the VA hospitals. Obama has declared an emergency – all Muslims in the military must be treated with utmost respect and deferred to always. “I am not jumping to conclusions” said Obama – “but from what little information I have – it seems there were an exorbitant number of individuals shooting at this man of the religion of peace. – Now, can we please get back to me!” …..
Oopsdaisy on November 6, 2009 at 9:41 PM
It can not possibly be a terrorist act; Obama promised to close Gitmo….
TN Mom on November 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Obama is a Communist Muslim. Muslim = Communist in so many ways they are completely compatible. His father was Muslim and Communist. His cousin whom he campaigned for in Kenya also both. Muslim is totalitarian as is communism.
This was a huge misstatement of facts in their omission. We know Hasa was a very devout Muslim going to Masque daily for his prayers. We know his writings compared suicide(murder) bombings with falling on a grenade to save your friends. We know he gave his stuff away before becoming a Terrorist killing 13 yelling Allah Akbar as all Muslim Terrorist do. We need to protect ourselves against all Muslims as all, yes every one, seek our death and the death of our Nation. Islam is a form of Government that demands it’s citizens worship it. It is absolutely not a religion. It is completely incompatible with Christians and Jews.
BTW. My brother in law is in Fort Hood helping these servicemen/women and families cope. Hasa was shot in the spinal cord and three other places he is definitely paralyzed from the neck down and it is very unlikely he will wake up.
Steveangell on November 6, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Welcome Home Brother.
Old Hippie Vet on November 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Has anyone here pointed out that Dr. Joe Medicine Crow was never awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor what he was awarded was the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Obama himself.
borg on November 6, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Pretty sure that will be an Obamateurism this week.
katy on November 6, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Outstanding – Jackal 4 was my call sign while I served in the 4th ID. Quite memorable times!
From one Gulf War vet to another – Thank You!
jackal40 on November 6, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Investors Business Daily (USA’s BEST Editorial Page!) has a good column titled; “Jihad’s 5th Column,” in tomorrow’s paper. Here is a partial list of Hasan’s brothers in Jihadist lunacy;
“* Navy Signalman Hassan Abujihaad last year was convicted of tipping off al-Qaida to battle group movements in the Persian Gulf, including disclosing classified documents detailing the group’s vulnerability to terror attack.
• Army reservist Jeffrey Battle in 2003 pleaded guilty to conspiring to wage war against the U.S., confessing he enlisted “to receive military training to use against America.”
• Army reservist Semi Osman in 2002 was arrested for providing material support to al-Qaida and pleaded guilty to weapons charges after agreeing to testify against other terror suspects.
* Marine Abdul Raheem al-Arshad Ali trained at a suspected al-Qaida camp and was charged with selling a semi-automatic handgun to Osman.
• Army Sgt. Ali Mohamed trained Green Berets at Fort Bragg’s elite special warfare school before stealing military secrets for al-Qaida and helping plan bombings at three U.S. embassies in 1998.
• Army Spec. Ryan Anderson in 2004 was convicted of leaking military intelligence to al-Qaida terrorists, including sensitive information about the vulnerabilities of armored Humvees.
• Army sniper John Muhammad was put on death row after fatally shooting 10 in the nation’s capital a year after 9/11.”
Star20 on November 6, 2009 at 10:12 PM
(Thanks Old Hippie Vet!)
Star20 on November 6, 2009 at 10:13 PM
I’m taking your post over to the Ralph Peters thread. hope you don’t mind… ;)
katy on November 6, 2009 at 10:15 PM
It would have at least been appropriate here for Zero to say Hassan had “acted stupidly”.
/but I suppose that is above his paygrade
AZfederalist on November 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Barry Soterro ran by the Name Barrack Hussein Obama and became the first President of the Muslim Kingdom of America. He boldly proclaims America is a Muslim not Christian Nation.
He did so while completely hiding his Muslim/Communist believes. His birth place/date. His Indonesian Citizenship. He bows to Muslim Kings but not Christian Queens. He lets all know of his hatred for everything American his wife not proud of America until it became Muslim.
He must be removed. We must have our words heard and replace Congressmen/Senators who will not enforce the Constitution and have this Manchurian President removed.
Steveangell on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Somebody tell Ed AP’s posting under his name again.
Come on, Ed, by the time you posted this, we had enough information that almost nobody could be described as “jumping to conclusions.” “Overgeneralizing,” maybe, but I think the chance that Hasan was using “Allahu Ackbar” ironically is about 0.0%.
There’s a legitimate argument whether we’re dealing with an army of religious crackpots or a crackpot religion, but given the numbers we all know and quote it’s becoming a rather moot point.
Merovign on November 6, 2009 at 10:31 PM
I just read AP’s post on Chris Matthews, is this Bizarro world or have I missed something?
I think this is all just a karmic balancing move reacting to CJ moving to the other side. :)
Merovign on November 6, 2009 at 10:37 PM
What happened at Fort Hood was merely a “man caused disaster”. Let’s get with the program, people!
Really Right on November 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Koranic Intolerance,
Little Boomer on November 6, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Obama has a long trail of conclusions when it suits his beliefs. Don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh, etc.
I personally do not think Obama naively lept to a conclusion on the Cambridge police incident. I think he had long ago come to a conclusion on such issues. Obama’s failure was his inability to articulate something to the press that did not reveal his position on the issue. That is because he is not a clever man
For the same reason, I do not think Obama was giving sage advice when he made his comment on the Fort Hood case.
IMHO Obama already owns an empathy with jihad, and he does not want the American public giving in to the facts of the case
That is how I take it, and I found yesterday talking to folk that I was not the only one with that take
After 9-11, I take the worst possible conclusion as a starting point, until proven otherwise, for the sake of survival in a war where the enemy wants me and my world vanquished
entagor on November 6, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Sorry Ed the conclusions were made thousands of years ago when God told Ishmael’s mother he (and his decendants) would be as wild asses and his hand would be against every man and every man’s hand would be against him (except journalists of course/s)
wepeople on November 6, 2009 at 10:51 PM
OH.. Obammy means wait for the facts like he did, before he said the Cambridge police were stupid.. Ya wait just like he did ..
dugbru on November 6, 2009 at 11:12 PM
The facts of this incident aren’t going to change the facts that we already know regarding radical Islam.
The left is quite happy to trash Christianity at every turn but they coddle these freaking terrorists and treat them like misunderstood heroes.
Perhaps the best tactic to use against the left is to oppress them, beat them, attack them – that way we will gain their sympathy and they will support our agenda.
….and it’ll be a whole lot of fun, too.
Mr Purple on November 6, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Koranic Intolerance
You bets ya.
I have no tolerance for those who wish to cut my head off for being a christian. That is what the Koran teaches. I have read it from cover to cover. It is all about doing unto your enemies whether they do it unto you or not. It teaches how to achieve Islamic Government. It teaches to lie and say you want peace until strong enough to take over the Government by force. Christians are not allowed in Muslim Countries (you can not go to christian church there) like Saudi Arabia that is a fact. You can enter the country but can not talk about or practice your religion. You can not take your bible there you can not even enter Mecca.
Steveangell on November 6, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Romeo13, Star20 — Thank you for your service.
publiuspen on November 6, 2009 at 11:31 PM
This dhimmi douchebag couldn’t connect enough dots to make a star.
Jaibones on November 6, 2009 at 11:37 PM
What conclusions shouldn’t we jump to again. That the guy was a Muslim? That’s not a jump. That he was anti-war? Not a jump. He had mental issues? And probably should have been kicked out of the Army? Not a jump.
What?
Has anyone at all suggested he had Al Qaeda connections or something because I’ve heard people (the FBI) bend over backwards not to jump to any such conclusions.
It almost seems like they are hiding something… What conclusion are they afraid we will jump to. What do they know that we don’t.
petunia on November 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Obama says to wait? But we need to pass porkulus in 72 hrs or the Earth will fall into the Sun, right?
Geochelone on November 6, 2009 at 11:54 PM
No more political correctness, please. Islam is an ideology based on the deliberate perversion of Judaism & Christianity by a man who very probably had multiple personality disorders and whose jealousy and desire to be recognized as important caused his hatred and bigotry.
Connie on November 6, 2009 at 11:56 PM
Jackal40 — Thank you for your service.
publiuspen on November 7, 2009 at 12:03 AM
True Connie, everything is such a rush with Zero. Porkulus was a rush, health care is a rush, Cap and Tax is a rush, Nobel committee will rush him a Peace Prize for not nuking the world his first month in office.
But don’t rush to judgment on the radical muslim shouting Allahu Akbar and firing at his fellow soldiers.
It is disgusting to watch the left try to morph him into some sort of heroic ‘victim’. The left has no problem smearing Christians and Jews endlessly so why are we supposed to pussyfoot around Islamic terrorism?
Mr Purple on November 7, 2009 at 12:11 AM
The problem with the information campaign is that it may very well reach those muslims that are confused about the true intentions of Islam. Bin Laden was attempting not only to kill infidels but also raise awareness, so to speak, about the true nature of Islam. Those fighting the jihad want the non-jihad muslims to join in.
Now, you are correct, the true nature of Islam is to kill the infidels. It is plainly stated in the Koran. Nonetheless, a very small minority of the world’s muslims understand and/or act on this command.
It is probably in our better interest to have muslims confused about their religion, rather than know the truth – Since the truth is that Allah has commanded them to kill us all.
July 10 on November 7, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Who cares. Islam is the problem. Palestinians are the most notorious in the world for engaging in jihad. They are still bombing Israel trying to kill civilians. They build monuments to murder/bombers. This man was Palestinian by his own proclamation. Israel has been telling us we would see this happen here and now we are. Wake up.
Steveangell on November 7, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Schadenfreude on November 7, 2009 at 12:33 AM
I am so glad to see so many posters who will not lie down and take this PC crap about islam. Keep speaking out about this cult of mentally ill goat fornicators. The truth will out!
scullymj on November 7, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Your comment is both correct and incorrect; I’ll assume that you simplified your response for the sake of brevity.
No Central Authority / no borders: correct. There is no Islamic analog for a Papal ‘authority’ figure, and there is only the Ummah.
There are no real leaders: [very] incorrect. Islam is divided into two major factions: Sunni and Shi’a. Unfortunately, there’s nothing simple about inter-relationship. At best there’s a truce between them, otherwise they’d gleefully slaughter each other at the drop of the hat; until one side or the other reigns supreme.
Our problem: both agree on one central issue: the Ummah must encompass all humanity. Their ‘methods’ may differ, but their goal is identical.
All will submit to the Will of Allah: either as a ‘natural’ muslim [born into], convert [willing or otherwise], or as a dhimmi. There is no fourth option. Period.
Their only dispute concerning that is this: who shall be the the ultimate ruler of the Ummah; Shi’a or Sunni Islam. More to the point, it’s now turned into a contest between the Wahabi Sect [Sunni] and the Twelver Sect [Shi'a] since there’s been no effective challenge by ‘mainstream’ Shites to the rise of the Twelvers within Iran [or by the world-wide Shi'a community].
At it’s core, Islam is a ‘tribal’-based faith and the best way to understand it’s internal dynamics. And that is the reality facing us.
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Concerning your earlier comment about ‘reading the Koran’.
Understand that the Koran is written in Ancient Arabic; only a very small number of people are capable reading it fully, and thereby understanding it’s contents.
[BTW -- 'translated' Korans, the kind the muzzis are fond of handing out, have ZERO 'spiritual authority' or validity. To base your opinion of Islam on such a book is a grave mistake: it is a deceit of the first order.]
The average muslim is utterly dependent the clerical class for instruction and interpretation. That dynamic gives the Imam total control over his ‘flock’ and their understanding of the Koran’s ‘true’ meaning, and that’s where the rubber meets the road.
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Our problem: IMHO, is that the Constitution did not take into account the Doctrine of Islam. Islam is not a ‘religion’ as we understand it; Islam does not allow for divided loyalty. There is no ‘render unto Caesar’ clause in the Koran. Period.
America starts with the premise that the Republic, and the Constitution, is the binding tie that holds us together. No divided loyalty is permitted, nor tolerated [See the Oath of Citizenship for further details].
This stance is in direct conflict with the absolute submission demanded by the Koran, and the concept of the Ummah, as it is understood and accepted by ‘properly devout muslims’ [via the 'guidance' of their Imams].
Major Hasan is [was] a Commissioned Officer; his commission oath delineated his loyalties and duties in concrete terms. His words [as related] and deed make him a oath-breaker and a traitor. Or, a faithful [and celebrated] servant of Allah.
And that, is the problem that must be addressed. On many different levels.
CPT. Charles on November 7, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Agreed. And the Koran allows for lying under oath to the infidels to further the jihad. Hasan did not go against Islamic teachings for taking the U.S. military oath. I assume in your last paragraph that you meant Hassan broke his oath to the United States and is a traitor to the United States.
If I were to create a religion today, the central tenet of which was the destruction of the United States government, would my followers be allowed into the country? Would they be granted citizenship?
July 10 on November 7, 2009 at 12:57 AM
No jumping to conclusions, but just going through the facts.
1. He was a devout Muslim.
2. At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
3. He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training.
4. He stated that he wasn’t a yellow-bellied coward for not wanting to deploy, but that he didn’t want to be part of the aggressors against Islam.
5. He viewed the US as the aggressors.
6. He used a lecture to rationalize beheadings in the name of Islam.
7. He took weapons to a SRC where soldiers, prepare to go to war.
8. He pulled out said weapons and started shooting indiscriminately at above mentioned soldiers.
9. Oh yeah. One more thing. He was screaming Allah Akbar at the top of his lungs.
Yep. Terrorist attack.
Did you have any “hard” questions?
hawkdriver on November 7, 2009 at 1:12 AM
This is total BS. Of course we can read it and the translations are just fine. Even Muslims can not read Ancient Arabic. This is just a way to justify the un-justifiable. Think “only a very small number” gives that small number tremendous power thus the reason they sell this BS. The same thing was said about the bible when only in Latin. Of course Christianity came out of the 14th Century Islam never came out of the 6th Century.
Steveangell on November 7, 2009 at 1:18 AM
Hawk ….You are the Man!!!!
Dire Straits on November 7, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Yes.
1) What are the names and positions of all the people in the FBI who knew the results of their six month long investigation of this man?
2) What are the names and positions of all the FBI people who were responsible for them NOT starting a formal investigation and NOT getting a search warrant for his computer and NOT passing this information higher in the FBI?
3) What are the names and positions of all the people in the military who had supervisory authority over this man?
4) What are the justifications that any of these people have for NOT taking appropriate action in a timely manner against an obvious threat so that these killings could have been prevented?
That’s my list of hard questions off the top of my head. I may have more later.
Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 1:24 AM
Please do not get me wrong. Your post was quite good. Muslim perspective is good to know.
I just felt it needs constantly pointed out that it is pure propaganda that the Koran must be read in Arabic. As you pointed out this is just a ploy to get adherents to follow their Imams like sheep.
Another major ploy is how they say they also believe in Abraham and Jesus. They believe Abraham took Ismail to sacrifice not Issac. They believe Issac was cursed by Allah. Jesus was a minor prophet with no divinity. They just say this to fool us.
The worse ploy is to compare Allah to God. Islams are Atheist they do not believe Allah to be a person or Spirt but an idea more or less. Thus their great love for Communism.
Steveangell on November 7, 2009 at 1:34 AM
Barry is just wanting to wish away the fact that a terrorist act occurred on American soil on his watch. Sucks to actually be in charge and not just a campaigner, huh Barry?
Fed45 on November 7, 2009 at 1:44 AM
Let me add one more
Since Hasan’s family and apologists are justifying his killings because his co-workers gave him a hardtime for being a muslim, did Hasan ever file any complaint ? And what was the follow-up?
Frankly I think there is a lot of evidence being manufactured right now,by the regime. In addition a lot of scrubbing seems to be going on, with Obama’s friends at Google leading the charge
I think Hussain is setting up Hasan’s insanity defense with a teased-till-he-snapped backup defense (plan-B)
macncheez on November 7, 2009 at 1:46 AM
For a great explanation of Islam please read.
American Thinker
The negative spiritual and intellectual consequence of believing two mutually exclusive concepts is “cognitive dissonance.”
Steveangell on November 7, 2009 at 1:47 AM
Ah, the dangers of giving shout outs without a teleprompter.
Griz on November 7, 2009 at 1:48 AM
Why would it matter if he had connections to Al Qaeda? Would that make it MORE of a terrorist attack? Connections or not, the man killed Americans he likely viewed as “infidels” in the name of “Allah”.
Fed45 on November 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM
I can’t find the link at the moment, and I may be wrong about it as it might not be a news report, but I believe I have read that Hasan did file a harassment complaint after 9/11 which was investigated and dismissed.
LINK, PLEASE, ANYONE?
Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 1:56 AM
To
Anyone at our military bases, anywhere in the world
Has the CinC ordered any extra security for you guys after this massacre ?
macncheez on November 7, 2009 at 1:57 AM
ED MORRISSEY: “What do we have? A single data point on a mass shooting where the suspect apparently yelled “Allahu akbar!” before killing 13 people…”
You’re telling people, basically, to be quiet, on the ground that they shouldn’t pre-judge this, and at the same time you are pre-judging it yourself. It takes willed naivety to see this as completely unique and unlike every other jihad act that we’ve seen, and thus to justify saying that we have only a “single data point”.
David Blue on November 7, 2009 at 2:05 AM
Just trying to read between the lines of “don’t jump to conclusions”
Seems pretty straight forward to me. I don’t know what Obama is warning us not to do. Call it terrorism?
It was definitely a man made disaster.
I think his job report tells us alot about his motives. His life was in shambles. He talked himself into being a terrorist because in his mind that was more noble than a simple mass murderer. I think he planned a suicide that would take him to heaven.
That seems to be straight forward and no conclusion jumping necessary.
petunia on November 7, 2009 at 2:08 AM
Why is it that with the VT killer there were immediate allegations about how the killer had slipped thru scrutiny and been allowed access to weapons.
Why isn’t that theme being applied here? Why was a radical muslim allowed to post his jihadi views fully noticed and not be expelled from the military?
Why did the mechanisms in place to uncover this type of treason fail?
0bama’s fault.
Mr Purple on November 7, 2009 at 2:09 AM
*fail to uncover
Mr Purple on November 7, 2009 at 2:09 AM
on 2nd thought I didn’t need that amendment.
Mr Purple on November 7, 2009 at 2:10 AM
Every muslim was fatwa’d by their mosque to overhelm the local authorities with complaints about threats to their lives, hate-messages and racial profiling, and they complied , on the friday after 9/11/2001(which was a Tuesday). Typical tactic to convert guilt to victimhood . That is standard operating procedure for them.
They do it all over the world after they kill kafirs.
macncheez on November 7, 2009 at 2:10 AM
Here, we walk around loaded for bear anyway because we’re deployed. back home I can guarantee nothing will change. For the same reason no one will admit that this is a terror attack.
Hawks impression. That man became an enemy of America and signed on with the Jihadists when he made a conscious decision to attack that center. Having done such, it’s my honest feeling that those soldiers were killed and wounded by an enemy combatant and are all deserving of Purple Hearts for being wounded as such by the enemy. As it is, this filth deprived them of even that modest recognition for their sacrifice because no one would admit it in the first place to where they were eligible.
Damn skippy he’s a terrorist.
hawkdriver on November 7, 2009 at 2:12 AM
Lox, those are hard questions.
hawkdriver on November 7, 2009 at 2:14 AM
No. Not BS.
Trained scholars [and clerics] can read it, and on the matters of ‘Islamic jurisprudence’ the ulema function as both jurists and theologians. Rank-and-file muslims are illiterate concerning the Koran’s written content.
And, you miss my point: translated Korans can serve as a reference to Koranic content, but in the eyes of Muslims such books only serve as ‘commentary’ [ie-ZERO 'spiritual weight'].
Only Korans, in the original Arabic are considered perfect and even then, only the scripture, recited aloud, is considered to be of importance, the actual written content is of secondary importance.
The exact polar opposite of the Bible [and Torah].
And yes, it is like the Latin-only era of Christianity, now long gone [since 1522].
CPT. Charles on November 7, 2009 at 2:26 AM
Is there anyone in our Congress , of any party , who has the guts and patriotism to draft a bill, to declare the Ft Hood massacre an enemy attack , an act of war on USA ? Is there anyone at all who will do it ?
How about John Kerry ?
John Murtha ?John Mccain ? Anybody ?
If the Hussain of WH does not follow Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers or Rashid Khalidi , he will sign an executive order declaring the Ft Hood tragedy an act of war by enemy.
I feel what you are saying hawkdriver ( dad was IAF officer, 4 wars, always stationed at borders, filthy politicians with high school education lecturing career generals on wartactics, I’ve seen and lived all)
macncheez on November 7, 2009 at 2:31 AM
If hawk were in charge, executive order so fast it would make your head spin. Then Hasans lawyers would cry that action alone points to his guilt and would jade a military tribunal.
hawkdriver on November 7, 2009 at 2:43 AM
Have you considered the ramifications of our government officially speaking out against Islam?
Why do you think Bush called Islam the “religion of peace?” You think it’s because he was just so politically correct? No, it is part of a larger strategy.
We want muslims to think that maybe bin Laden is wrong and Islam is “the religion of peace.” Then hopefully, they’ll never actually realize that bin Laden is correct and Islam calls for killing of the infidels.
9/11 was not only an act of jihad but was designed by bin Laden as a wake-up call to all muslims to join with him in the jihad. Thankfully, our government didn’t take the bait. Instead, we pretend that Islam is just like any other religion with a few nutters. Meanwhile, we kill as many jihadis as we can over there. And for the most part, capture the ones plotting over here.
We want Islam to remain as fractured as possible. Officially declaring that Islam at war with the United States and the United States is at war with Islam would prove disastrous.
July 10 on November 7, 2009 at 2:46 AM
I don’t know if you have been following what Hasan’s Imam , neighbors and that convenient store guy are saying about him, but Hasan was looking for a bride for himself. Methinks he got so frustrated looking for a bride that he opted for not one but 72 of them, the only way he knew . We should not hold him up. He deserves his 72 virgins NOW He should not be delayed with a trial.
macncheez on November 7, 2009 at 2:56 AM
FTFY
Ugly on November 7, 2009 at 4:08 AM
When it’s a white police officer arresting a black thug friend of his, the white officer is stupid. He says that knowing nothing of the situation but when a Muslim kills 13 people and injures 30, let’s take our time. He is plain and simple a racist and needs to be dragged out of the White House and tried as the traitor he is.
pitter43 on November 7, 2009 at 5:17 AM
I can reach my own conclusions, I don’t need the jackass in chief to tell me what to think or not think.
This is the same fool who slammed a white cop for doing his job without knowing a damn thing remember?
gdonovan on November 7, 2009 at 5:28 AM
I haven’t heard anyone in the media or Obama administration blame this on Bush’s policies.
Yet.
justltl on November 7, 2009 at 6:08 AM
I hope that The One doesn’t spend too much time worrying about this issue so He can get back to wrecking what is left of our economy and discerning the best way to say “I’m soo sorry” as we leave the Afghan conflict and still cover the fact that He supported the war all the way.
Being GOD is so hard when you have to admit a mistake or deprive yourself of power (next election) to please your true believers on the left. Oh the agony!
IlikedAUH2O on November 7, 2009 at 6:24 AM
Did anyone else hear the former Ft. Hood commander’s interview with Michael Savage last night? [The Col. is running for Congress from FLA.]
Blame PC for the political and legal pressure asserted upon our culture, our intelligence and judicial departments, and specifically upon our military to refuse to treat Muslims as equals being responsible for their own actions under the rule of law; instead stroking Muslims as “special” being granted lenience at all times, for Muslim wrongs to be purposely overlooked.
And as Obama is not “jumping” to any conclusions, 1. “don’t blame me.” 2. state of denial, refusing to reach cognitive analysis, here’s the obvious:
WE DO KNOW that Islamic Jihadists have infiltrated our military.
WE DON’T KNOW if Hasan acted alone, or if he belongs to a cell.
“Everybody knows this is not a place for fanatics,” said Qadri [medical officer at Silver Spring Muslim mosque]. “We don’t encourage that sort of thing.”
If they “don’t encourage”, they don’t discourage, either. Qadri made a point of stating that Hasan expressed no views one way or the other at the mosque.
Well scripted denial, memorized and disseminated to all mosques, delivered smoothly to the PC ear.
As if anyone believes that Hasan never discussed anything except getting married at his mosque. Yet he preached to convert peers and patients to follow him into the Muslim faith, and to rescind allegiance to America. Can you imagine one of our soldiers suffering from post traumatic stress, being brainwashed by his shrink to accept the Muslim faith in order to heal?
Hasan did not “snap”. He not only meant to go out with a bang to his false prophet’s hotel paradise, but absolutely meant to provide the example for other “faithful Muslims” in the military to follow. Parasitically infiltrate and take out as many infidel Americans as possible within the US Military. His parents were against his enlistment; he joined for the education and training he received, and for the opportunity to become a jihadist star.
NO PC
If you want the American Constitution to survive, then we are all equal under the law; e pluribus unum. No one is more special than another under our Constitutional rule of law. Only Constitutional saboteurs pontificate, officiate, legislate, prosecute, adjudicate and execute prejudicial bias preferential to special interests.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Neither do three…
maverick muse on November 7, 2009 at 6:46 AM
Does this man EVER show any emotion?
It’s truly scary how cold this man is.
tatersalad on November 7, 2009 at 7:47 AM
This morning Obama used his radio address to talk about diversity in the Army. Need I say more??? The guy needs to be voted out in 2012 and the Dems or Repubs that support him need to be voted out starting next November
georgealbert on November 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM
If Obama had been president in 1941.”It has been reported that Japanese aircraft have bombed Pearl Harbor BUT LET’S NOT JUMP TO ANY CONCLUSIONS THAT THIS WAS A HOSTILE ACT.
MaiDee on November 7, 2009 at 8:18 AM
Gee, since it wasn’t a white guy who is accused of a wrong doing, we have to wait for the facts.
drjohn on November 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM
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