Video: Obama says to wait for facts before reaching conclusions

posted at 2:30 pm on November 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama gave his second statement on the Fort Hood massacre, and this one went better than his first. He cautioned Americans to let law-enforcement agencies do their job in investigating the 13 murders apparently committed by Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan and to avoid “jumping to conclusions” based on incomplete data. Although this statement has prompted angry responses in e-mail, in this case Obama’s correct — almost anticlimactically so:

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President Barack Obama said Friday the entire nation is grieving for those slain at Fort Hood, and he urged people not to jump to conclusions while law enforcement officers investigate the shootings.

Obama met Friday morning with FBI Director Robert Mueller and other federal leaders to get an update on what they’ve learned. Thirteen people were killed and 30 others injured in the shooting rampage at the Texas Army post on Thursday. The suspected shooter is an Army psychiatrist; his motive remains unclear.

“We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” Obama said in a Rose Garden statement otherwise devoted to the economy.

“What we do know is that there are families, friends and an entire nation grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday,” the president said.

Of course we shouldn’t jump to any conclusions, although the impulse to do so is very, very tempting. What do we have? A single data point on a mass shooting where the suspect apparently yelled “Allahu akbar!” before killing 13 people. That could mean a wide range of things, from a conspiracy to commit a series of such attacks, to a militant anti-war action, or to just a lunatic with a religious delusion. That’s why we have law enforcement to investigate crimes — so that conclusions will be based on fact rather than conjecture.

Earlier this year, conservatives howled, and rightly so, when Janet Napolitano issued a report on “right-wing domestic terrorism” that advised law enforcement that opposition to abortion and Obama policies could be indicators of potential extremist violence. The report based that on a couple of lunatics murdering abortionists. It also warned that former combat veterans could fall prey to right-wing militia groups and commit terrorism, based on the single named example of Timothy McVeigh. We were right to criticize that report as entirely conjectural and lacking any specific reasoning. We should not rush to make the same mistake with the Fort Hood massacre.

There is certainly room for criticism of the coverage of the shooting, especially the reluctance of some outlets to report the known facts of Hasan’s circumstances. We deserve to have all the facts presented without bias so as to reach the right conclusions. However, we need to wait for all the facts in order to make sure we do. Rushing to conclusions now does no one any good at all, and almost guarantees that we will reach the wrong ones, such as the one Newsweek waited less than a day to float:

What if Thursday’s atrocious slaughter at Fort Hood only signals that the worst is yet to come? The murder scene yesterday afternoon at the Killeen, Texas, military base, the largest in the country, was heart-wrenching. Details remained murky, but at least 13 are dead and 30 wounded in a killing spree that may momentarily remind us of a reality that most Americans can readily forget: soldiers and their families are living, and bending, under a harrowing and unrelenting stress that will not let up any time soon. And the U.S. military could well be reaching a breaking point as the president decides to send more troops into Afghanistan.

As one person said in Rick Moran’s comments, it reminds me of the conclusion-leaping that took place when the St. Anthony Bridge collapsed in Minneapolis two years ago, which also killed 13 people. The Left didn’t wait for longer than six hours to blame it on Tim Pawlenty’s budget cuts; in the end, it was a design flaw from the original construction that doomed the bridge.

Update: Good point from commenter Dingbat63; Barack Obama should have heeded this advice when he leaped to the conclusion that Cambridge police “acted stupidly” when they arrested Skip Gates. Beer summit!

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Azked Posted this earlier in the thread, I guess you didn’t take a look Jimbo 3.

Scroll down you can even see him on Video from a convenience store yesterday, he doesn’t appear to have been a SHY guy.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM

What is it we are waiting for?

scrubjay on November 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM

I dunno. Maybe for the 12th Imam to make an appearance?

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Frankly, I’m getting tired of all this “let’s not jump to conclusions” talk. It’s not a very big jump to the conclusions that a) this guy was a Muslim, b) he was angry over the U.S.’s involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, and c) his religion and his contempt of the military that educated and trained him were instrumental in his decision to do what he did.

Me, too. It’s condescending. Nobody is going to go out and attack Muslims who isn’t already a nutcase now.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Even if this guy had political issues with the war and being deployed or if he had delusions based on his own religious views, either way, it’s DEFINED as TERRORISM. Plain and simple.

Moving right along….

Sultry Beauty on November 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Can we at least call it a “hate crime,” or should we wait for more facts?

bighead4 on November 6, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Can’t be a “hate crime”. Shooter wasn’t a whitey, and the victims weren’t all Blacks or gay.

Fed45 on November 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Off the base”. Look, I’m not arguing that this guy didn’t kill a bunch of totally innocent people. What I’m arguing is that this might not have been terrorism as it’s usually defined.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

IMO you are correct on this… its NOT Terrorism, but it sure is TREASON.

Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Actualy, one of the calls during the Crusades was “God wills It”.

Luckily though… the West pretty much outgrew that type of behaviour… too bad the Moslem’s don’t appear to be doing the same.

Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM

The reason that Christians “outgrew” that behavior, is that killing infidels is not a central tenet of Christianity.

Many muslims do not kill people, but those that do are following the words and deeds of Mohammed.

July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM

a white Baptist, killing those people in the waiting room, shouting “Jesus is my saviour”. That’s the situation of yesterday, not the one you insinuate.

I would suggest “a white Baptist opening gunfire on a atheist gathering shouting “Jesus is great” while being described as “commited christian” by his friends and while there is a large scale murderous campaign by huge number of those who claim to be commited christians who murder atheists and say their Holy book commands them to do that, a Holy book that say things like “atheists are worst of animals”.

Yeah something tells me we won’t see this lefty troll spinning for him.

Alexey on November 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Frankly, I’m getting tired of all this “let’s not jump to conclusions” talk. It’s not a very big jump to the conclusions that a) this guy was a Muslim, b) he was angry over the U.S.’s involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, and c) his religion and his contempt of the military that educated and trained him were instrumental in his decision to do what he did.

Me, too. It’s condescending. Nobody is going to go out and attack Muslims who isn’t already a nutcase now.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM

YOU DO REALIZE, right, that it was a Muslim fanatic who murdered 13 soldiers, one of them pregnant, yesterday, right?

You are an apologist for jihadists.

Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Sad to this level of ignorance/denial from even Ed Morissey.

An Islamist screaming “Allahu Akbar” while murdering a dozen U.S. soldiers in the worst attack on U.S. soil since 9/11 could “mean a wide range of things”? Really?

The truth was obvious for anyone with half a brain from the get-go. This is nothing new either, just on a larger scale than usual.

Ah, but forget that. Nothing to see here. If anything he’s a victim, probably suffering from PTSD. And with the overstretched military and demands put on him, it’s surprising this doesn’t happen more often. Bush and America are to blame. /s

I usually enjoy you’re level-headed commentary Ed, but seriously, get a clue on the enemy we’re fighting. He’s not a “lunatic with a religious delusion,” and it’s not one of many possibilities.

jjraines on November 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM

And the U.S. military economy could well be reaching a breaking point as the president decides to send more troops into Afghanistan. to spend trillions on healthcare.

TN Mom on November 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Single data point???

Jim Treacher on November 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM

If I yell “f*ggot” and then kill a homosexual, with current hate crime laws my thoughts and intentions are already known.

From what’s been happening in this country… I’m guessing you’re probably in trouble right now for using the “F” word. PC is for A-Holes. And how dare you use Logic to question the Leader? Sarc!

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 3:40 PM

You are an apologist for jihadists.

Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion, but that’s OK. I think the guy turned to these radical ideas as pure justification. He’s a mass murderer, but I couldn’t care less if everyone calls him a terrorist.

That’s splitting hairs to me.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM

We must have all the facts, Obama: “he acted stupidly”
We must not meddle in Iran, Obama meddles in Israel.
We cannot run the AC at 70 degrees, Obama plans on rate
increases due to cap and trade taxes.
We cannot turn our heaters up, Obama heats the White House
to 80 degrees.
We cannot eat what we want anymore, Obama: 100 per once
steaks every week, flys in St. Louis pizza man and pizza.
We cannot drink what we want, Obama taxes soft drinks.
We cannot call them terrorists, just man caused disasters.
We cannot disagree with Obama on anything.
We cannot debate healthcare, Obama: “the debate is over”.
We cannot send inner-city kids to better schools with
school vouchers, Obama cancels the DC program as his kids
attend Sidwell Friends school on our dime.
We cannot spend like before, Obama quadruples the debt in 9
months.

Get the feeling Obama is a hypocrite?

What will Obama ALLOW us to do?
Will he EVER follow his own rules?

dthorny on November 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Because the LAST thing Obama wants is to, as Yamamoto put it, “wake the sleeping Giant”.

Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Too late

Missy on November 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Sultry Beauty on November 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I agree.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Fee Fi Fo Fum,
I smell the blood
of a dead Muslim….

BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM

The reason that Christians “outgrew” that behavior, is that killing infidels is not a central tenet of Christianity.

Many muslims do not kill people, but those that do are following the words and deeds of Mohammed.

July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Yes, I don’t believe there is a place in the Bible that says “kill the infidels”.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM

dthorny on November 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Oooo… Provocative. Well put.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM

A mass murderer kills for the sake of killing. Read this guy’s writings, there is one posted over at GP. He killed for jihad. He killed infidels for the same twisted purpose that makes suicide in a suicide bombing a noble endevour.

Wise up. This guy was the enemy in a US military uniform. Period.

ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Ummmm, Barry, after one gets all the facts, why would one jump to conclusions? After all you said not to jump to conclusions UNTIL we have all the facts.

That’s pretty weird, advocating jumping to conclusions, just so long as it’s done after getting all the facts.

Christien on November 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM

We suffer from a sickness in this country where we refuse to acknowledge the truth if it’s slightly inconvenient. If it walks, talks and quacks like a duck it’s….a swan???

If we learn nothing, nothing else than what has been confirmed now will that change anything? Will we learned that he was really unhappy with the color green and didn’t want to wear a green uniform?

As Ralph Peters said

When the terrorist posts anti-American hate-speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers and uses his own name; loudly criticizes US policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as “Palestinian” in a Muslim spouse-matching program, and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit — well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an “Islamist terrorist.”

What is going to change that? Please? Anyone?? I thought not.

E9RET on November 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Muslim.
Suicide Bombers are as heroic as our men diving on grenades.
“Allahu Ackbar!” (or however you spell it).

I have all the facts I need, thank you.

D2Boston on November 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM

That’s splitting hairs to me.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Regardless, this guy was following the words and deeds of Mohammed. He did what the Koran commanded him to do. Our muslim friends that don’t kill the infidels are apostates; they go against the teachings of the Koran. (Hopefully, they’ll never actually read it!)

July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Does the “harrassed defense” now trump the “Twinke defense”?

What do we say about the harrassment that Hasan inflicted on those he tried to proselytize or convert?

onlineanalyst on November 6, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Vera on November 6, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Thanks Vera

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Regardless, this guy was following the words and deeds of Mohammed. He did what the Koran commanded him to do. Our muslim friends that don’t kill the infidels are apostates; they go against the teachings of the Koran. (Hopefully, they’ll never actually read it!)

July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Well, whatever. I don’t argue over the Bible’s teachings, either. Each to his own.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Because the LAST thing Obama wants is to, as Yamamoto put it, “wake the sleeping Giant”.

Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Too late

Missy on November 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM

The Giant which is the American People, is just starting to mumble in his sleep a bit… its not awake yet…

Because when it does really wake up, the Federal Government who breaks the clear intent of the Constitution daily… who breaks that sacred covenent with the People… is in REAL trouble.

Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

If I yell “f*ggot” and then kill a homosexual, with current hate crime laws my thoughts and intentions are already known.

Someone goes into a gay bar. Yells f*ggots! and starts killing

Is Barack Obama going to say, “Now let’s not jump to any conclusions”?

This whole “let’s not jump to any conclusions” is ridiculous in the extreme. Beyond parody.

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

It’s clear that a PC whitewash is underway. I doesn’t matter, though. All that happens when our “leaders” tell us “there’s nothing to worry about,” at the same time that our reasoned thinking tells us that there most certainly is something to worry about, is that people’s trust of that leadership further erodes, and their suspicions of the very groups Obama and the left are trying to protect become amplified. People won’t run around spewing anti-Muslim remarks, but their internal suspicions of Muslims will grow and grow and grow. Nearly everyone knows what a cover-up and a whitewash looks like, and they know they’re seeing it now. It’s kind of ironic, really, because if the left would allow discussions along the lines of “Not all Muslims are motivated by religious fanaticism to kill people, but this particular guy was,” then knee-jerk racism would be mitigated. By pretending that we don’t see what we all clearly see, it sends a strong message that there is a widespread “Muslim problem” that our political leaders are afraid of and just don’t want to talk about, and that puts all Muslims under the microscope. I guess the left is going to do to Muslims what they’ve done to blacks: “help” them until they pretty much destroy them.

Rational Thought on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

It seems to me that if some people had jumped to conclusions earlier (after reading this POS’s web rantings and doing a little investigating), this would not have happened.

How about we jump to conclusions first, in the interest of saving lives, and worry about the lawsuits later?

The irony is, that the same people who are out there lecturing on how we should not jump to conclusions when it comes to Muslims, are terrified of offending them.

Well, why are you terrified, idiots? Unreal.

reaganaut on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

A mass murderer kills for the sake of killing

Not according to the FBC. There’s a type of mass murderer that is identical to this guy, focused on a cause or an institution.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM

FBI, that is.

AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM

No problem, Dr. Evil. Here’s just a list of the names of the killed and wounded, but no bios.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/69390697.html

Vera on November 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Sgt. Amy Krueger

Krueger, 29, of Kiel, Wis., joined the Army after the 2001 terrorist attacks and had vowed to take on Osama bin Laden, her mother, Jeri Krueger said.

Amy Krueger arrived at Fort Hood on Tuesday and was scheduled to be sent to Afghanistan in December, the mother told the Herald Times Reporter of Manitowoc.

Jeri Krueger recalled telling her daughter that she could not take on bin Laden by herself.

“Watch me,” her daughter replied.

God Bless Them All.

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM

What is going to change that? Please? Anyone?? I thought not.

E9RET on November 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM

I think there are a LOT of people out here, who think that way, but are afraid to speak up.

They’ve been cowed by the Media, and the Politicians, until they are afraid of being PC outcasts…

Give it time… I think we’ve almost reached that tiping point many of us have waited for.

Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:54 PM

In with both feet … Islamic jihad root cause for Beirut, 9/11, Ft Hood, et al … Islamic jihad seeking world domination is the root cause for this war; the longer America fails to identify that enemy and its goals, the greater liberty is placed at risk.

Sergeant Tim on November 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM

It seems to me that if some people had jumped to conclusions earlier (after reading this POS’s web rantings and doing a little investigating), this would not have happened.

How about we jump to conclusions first, in the interest of saving lives, and worry about the lawsuits later?

The irony is, that the same people who are out there lecturing on how we should not jump to conclusions when it comes to Muslims, are terrified of offending them.

Well, why are you terrified, idiots? Unreal.

reaganaut on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

AGREED.

Hotair itself wrote a post earlier askign why this bast@rd was still an Army major considering this praise of suicide bombers and the Little rock muslim killer….

So those facts were known before the killings.

but now, we cant jump to conclusions aided by the add’l evidence of 13 dead bodies caused by this guy while screaming Allahu Akbar.

This is the ultimate expression of PC in American history.

Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 6, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion, but that’s OK. I think the guy turned to these radical ideas as pure justification. He’s a mass murderer, but I couldn’t care less if everyone calls him a terrorist.

That’s splitting hairs to me.

Let me clear it up how he arrived to this conclusion. We have a thousands of attacks violent attacks on US military and civilians by people who are descibed as pious muslims and who frequently shout Allahu Akbar when they assault. We don’t have a single instance where such people in such circumstances are anything but. This is logic. This is how reasonable people think. Same reason you think, even if you are unaware of the laws of physics, that it is cold outside when you see the snowfall.

Now if in such circumstances people known for their bias start insinuating that there is no reason to make conclusions it, once again, happen for only one reason. This person is apologist. In this case apologist for jihadi.

Just apply CAIR for job, they need people ready to carry their water.

Alexey on November 6, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Yeah, President Obama’s WH spokespeople are on the phones right now telling NewsWeek, “Hey! Didn’t you hear the President? STOP JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS!”

Sultry Beauty on November 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM

I’m sure others have said this, but why didn’t Obummer have the wherewithal to do this when his black college professor pal spazzed out?

Either a lesson learned, or uncomfortable circumstances for him.

Hmmm…

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM

avoid “jumping to conclusions” based on incomplete data.

 
I agree. When I hear hoofbeats, it’s usually zebras.

rogerb on November 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Ed,

Your headline is inaccurate. Obama said to jump to conclusions after getting all the facts.

It’s right there in the transcript.

Christien on November 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Does anyone have info on how exactly this happened? Meaning, how in the hell a lone gunman could do that much damage at a military base before being taken down? Was it in an office/medical area?

jjraines on November 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM

If heads don’t roll in this maggot’s chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.
- Ralph Peters

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Rational Thought on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Yes, clearly we are being lied to about the nature of Islam. The Koran explictly instructs muslims to kill infidels.

Do you think this “whitewashing” (as you called it) is for Politically Correct reasons or could it actually be to try and fool muslims into believing that Islam is “The Religion of Peace?”

I always figured that was the idea: Call Islam the religion of peace, hope muslims don’t actually read the Koran, and hope they don’t realize that now is the time for them to kill the infidels.

July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM

jjraines, from what I understand there were about 300 soldiers in a closed area lined up to fill out paperwork.

Vera on November 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM

But Hasan isn’t the sole guilty party. The US Army’s unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Ft. Hood.

Given the myriad warning signs, it’s appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Ft. Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.

Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would’ve been gone with the simoon. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.

Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. 31 soldiers were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don’t roll in this maggot’s chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.

There’s another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist whacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who’ve been assigned to his care? And he’s not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?

For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I’m ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him.
- Ralph Peters

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM

But, but… the man who is lecturing us not to jump to conclusions has already jumped to his: that the killings had nothing to do with the killer’s beliefs.

Oh, pardon me — we don’t call them “killings,” we call it a “horrific tragedy.”

rrpjr on November 6, 2009 at 4:04 PM

I think they might think the guy had more than a few screws loose.

Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM

You’re either naive, dense, or intentionally play dumb. The media, Nancy Pelosi and hers, and Napolitano immediately call such people “terrorists”.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

I posted this on a previous thread just as it was playing out. Just read something pertaining to this that left me sick to my stomach. Please go to FrontPageMag.com, interview article by Jamie Glazov titled “The Muslim Brotherhood and Ft. Hood”. It is an interview of Dave Gaubatz, the first civilian federal agent deployed to Iraq in 2003, who is coauthor of a new book called “Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America”. He tells how this is not an isolated incident (most of us know that as per MM’s post this morning listing them all), but how CAIR, and the mosques (all funded by Saudi’s) are all in on this. Read it and weep!

silvernana on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Someone goes into a gay bar. Yells f*ggots! and starts killing

Is Barack Obama going to say, “Now let’s not jump to any conclusions”?

This whole “let’s not jump to any conclusions” is ridiculous in the extreme. Beyond parody.

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

In that case, I doubt that many people would argue that all straights are determined to kill gays or that it was part of a worldwide conspiracy kill or convert straights or that gays should kill or convert straights for their own protection.

There are, by some estimates, 1.4 billion Muslims in the world, the vast majority of whom are going about their business with no more “fanaticism” than you’d find at a West Virginia revival meeting. Jumping to conclusions that this atrocity warrants a broad indictment of a single religion is unwarranted.

Update: Good point from commenter Dingbat63; Barack Obama should have heeded this advice when he leaped to the conclusion that Cambridge police “acted stupidly” when they arrested Skip Gates. Beer summit!

As an aside: I agree with this and, when it happened, was reminded of a coaching session I sat through featuring a former White House communications guy who said that at press conferences, you had to be extra careful at the end, because the person was fatigued, the adrenaline gone and the mind unfocused. It was the last couple of questions when someone was most likely to say something stupid. In this case, Obama proved that point.

Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

If it’s a white cop arresting a disorderly black Ivy League professor it is OK to leap to conclusions.

When it is an apparent Islamist nut job shooting, murdering and wounding our soldiers by the dozens caution is the first priority.

novaculus on November 6, 2009 at 4:07 PM

If heads don’t roll in this maggot’s chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.
- Ralph Peters

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 4:01 PM

The only thing held ‘accoutable’ will be PC.

Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

No one is/s/b saying that all Muslims are terrorists, just that Hasan is one.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2009 at 4:07 PM

But Hasan isn’t the sole guilty party. The US Army’s unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Ft. Hood.

Given the myriad warning signs, it’s appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Ft. Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.

Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would’ve been gone with the simoon. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.

Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. 31 soldiers were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don’t roll in this maggot’s chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.

There’s another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist whacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who’ve been assigned to his care? And he’s not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?

For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I’m ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him.
- Ralph Peters

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Was it PC? Or was it the increased demand for psychiatrists in the face of so many returning vets and vociferous criticism that they weren’t getting the care they needed. I will defer, but I’m inclined to think that not wanting to strain an overworked staff by losing a doc might have played a role, as well.

Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:08 PM

I stand by the Obamateurism of the Day!!!

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Single data point???

Jim Treacher

Indeed. Single data point, Ed? Are you high?

chimney sweep on November 6, 2009 at 4:09 PM

bighead4 on November 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM

I’m NOT the post police, but ed & allah, that comment at 2:48 was in very poor taste.

jbh45 on November 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Obama says to wait for facts before reaching conclusions

Hey Whinny Hussain
We KNOW the facts
We HAVE reached the right conclusions
Now STFU and go work in Michelle’s garden after your Friday prayers

macncheez on November 6, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I never thought I’d say this, but good point, bleedsblue.

Most of the questions at today’s press conference were from angry reporters demanding to know why more mental health securities weren’t put into place. It would make sense that the military would be under a lot of pressure to keep even a risky psychiatrist around.

Vera on November 6, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Democrats are always willing to give a muslim the benefit of the doubt. Always.

Regardless, probably just a whack job.

TheUnrepentantGeek on November 6, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Jumping to conclusions that this atrocity warrants a broad indictment of a single religion is unwarranted.
Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

That’s where you’ve got it just a bit wrong. Muslims are not the problem. The problem is the Koran. It explicitly calls for the killing of infidels. Yes, most muslims don’t kill people. But those muslims are going against the words and deeds of Mohammed. They are going against the teachings of the Koran. Probably most have never read it. Those that have, and aren’t doing the killing commanded by Allah, are apostates.

July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Please point out ANY war, or hot spot (except Korea, which is still technicly at war from the 50s, and Russia/Georgia which has historic roots as well), where the 1.4 Billion Moslems of the world are NOT involved?

Phillipines?
Indonesia?
Pakistan?
Mumbai India?
Israel?
Palestine? (where they shoot at each other)
Lebanon?
Iraq?
Iran? (where they are killing their own, and supporting others)
Afganistan?
Syria? (where they assasinated Lebanese leaders)
Pirates?

do I need to go on? Heck, Saudi Arabia just bombed some guys this week with airstrikes (very little coverage of that little episode).

There really seems to be a common denominator with most of the worlds hotspots, if you bother to open your eyes.

Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 4:16 PM

This comment from Morrissey is condescending. We get more and more of this from Hotair. Basically they consider their readers as idiots who need their guidance. We have an muslim with a history of supporting jihad and jihadists that just gets a promotion to major from the Army despite the know activities of hatred of the US and in a premeditated act of murder he kills 12 and wounds many more and Hotair says lets not jump to conclusions….Hey Hotair, that is not the point…this is a discussion website, right, so why the pooh poohing of discussion based on obvious facts. Islamist want non muslims dead or in servitude….are you sure you still don’t get it

georgealbert on November 6, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Well, I, for one, am glad that Sergeant Kimberly Munley jumped to the conclusion she did when she decided to pump four slugs into this maniac.

rivlax on November 6, 2009 at 4:18 PM

There are, by some estimates, 1.4 billion Muslims in the world, the vast majority of whom are going about their business with no more “fanaticism” than you’d find at a West Virginia revival meeting. Jumping to conclusions that this atrocity warrants a broad indictment of a single religion is unwarranted.

I suggest you improve your spining skill. It is totally irrelevant how many muslims there are and what part of them are extremists. The only thing relevant is number of violent attacks on US military and civilians by those who are muslims, who are described by their surrounding as “pious muslims” who have propblems with US involvement in WOT, who shout Allahu Akbar when they murder or assault etc which are known to be made out of islamic extremism in relation to number of such attacks in such circumstances which are known to be made out of any other motive. Right now it’s what 10000-100000 to 0?

Alexey on November 6, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Obama is always indecisive about how inconclusive he should be. Which in his case usually leads to procrastination of his indecision… or another vacation / joyride on Scare Force One.

Let me be clear. It’s a safe bet Zero awaits permission from M-O every morning about what he’s allowed to eat for breakfast.

viking01 on November 6, 2009 at 4:18 PM

This whole “let’s not jump to any conclusions” is ridiculous in the extreme. Beyond parody.

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Yes, beyond parody into madness. Watching the clip of that blathering bromide-machine Dr. Phil and some finger-wagging woman both being challenged by a JAG officer, I had the crushing feeling either I’m losing my mind or the world is going mad. Wallowing in their psychobabbling groupthink of victimhood, the two clowns wanted us to believe the killer was suffering from some kind of stress disorder — WITHOUT EVER BEING IN BATTLE! — and then leaped on the JAG officer for suggesting the killings had more to do with his Islamic affinities.

“I think that’s irresponsible!”

Sheer madness. How will we survive?

rrpjr on November 6, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Does anyone have info on how exactly this happened? Meaning, how in the hell a lone gunman could do that much damage at a military base before being taken down? Was it in an office/medical area?

jjraines on November 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Only when it is premeditated, well planned and against people who least suspect it. Weapons are not standard fair in a medical building. It takes a truly evil, Islamic mind to come up with that sort of combination.

Hening on November 6, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Jumping to conclusions that this atrocity warrants a broad indictment of a single religion is unwarranted.

Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Whereas it’s fine to jump to the conclusion that noting the increasing amount of evidence as to Hasan’s motive is a broad indictment of a single religion. As opposed to multiple religions, presumably.

Jim Treacher on November 6, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM

We just had a unit from here in Wisconsin arrive at Ft. Hood to prepare for deployment to Iraq… 2 Killed, 2 Injured from that group.

God bless their families as they deal with this tragedy.

WhoU4 on November 6, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Jumping to conclusions that this atrocity warrants a broad indictment of a single religion is unwarranted.
Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

That’s where you’ve got it just a bit wrong. Muslims are not the problem. The problem is the Koran. It explicitly calls for the killing of infidels. Yes, most muslims don’t kill people. But those muslims are going against the words and deeds of Mohammed. They are going against the teachings of the Koran. Probably most have never read it. Those that have, and aren’t doing the killing commanded by Allah, are apostates.

July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 4:14 PM

But most Jews aren’t living by Old Testament commands regarding stoning, selling their daughters and all those other odd and sometimes offensive laws. And, I don’t meet many Christians who are willing to turn the other cheek or are give up riches because it lessens their chance of getting into Heaven.

You have to use a little common sense, or you end up in “kill or convert them” land.

Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:22 PM

georgealbert on November 6, 2009 at 4:17 PM

More likely, Ed is playing Devil’s Advocate to spur discussion. Then, again, he might have shouted “Allahpundit Akbar!” while posting this thread…let’s not jump to conclusions until we get all the facts.

Christien on November 6, 2009 at 4:25 PM

If an abortion clinic had been bombed, no one, not even that traitorous Shep Smith would be waiting to assign motives to the perpetrator.

Liberals are always so quick to attribute all the world’s problems to America’s arrogance, and yet they are so arrogant as to believe Muslims don’t hate us when their religious guide states that they must in order to be a good Muslim.

haikusrock on November 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM

From a link in the HotAir Headlines:

Finnell says Hasan told classmates he was “a Muslim first and an American second.”

That’s the kind of guy I want having my back in Iraq or Afghanistan.

rivlax on November 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM

So, if he wrapped himself in explosives, walked in and blew himself up while shouting “Allah Akbar”, and took out innocent lives would he be a random whack job, or a terrorist?

Fed45 on November 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Only when it is premeditated, well planned and against people who least suspect it. Weapons are not standard fair in a medical building. It takes a truly evil, Islamic mind to come up with that sort of combination.

Hening on November 6, 2009 at 4:21 PM

In fact, a Concealed Carry permit is not valid on Military installations… and as they don’t carry themselves unless on the range… there are LESS guns being carried than in some normal cities.

Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM

So, if he wrapped himself in explosives, walked in and blew himself up while shouting “Allah Akbar”, and took out innocent lives would he be a random whack job, or a terrorist?

Fed45 on November 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM

As long as he’s dead, the argument is moot.

Since Hasan is not dead (yet), I vote for Freedom Fighter. To my knowledge, the two Senators from CA have not been quoted on this incident yet. Odds are pretty good that one of them will prove me correct.

BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 4:31 PM

It’s very hard to watch this blow hard, but I really thought when he came out to speak about the massacre “oh my gosh, they forgot to tell him what happened”. No, he knew, it had to be about him first. I can’t even stand to watch him any more. He has no sense about compassion, priority, civility, or anything else. He is a stupid man! He could care less about those who were gunned down by a terrorist. This guy would never have to lift a gun against his muslim brothers. He got a free ride through 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, internship, years of specialty. Now he doesn’t want to serve his fellow soldiers or the country he lives in.
By the way, I understood that he made 6 figures. Did anyone else wonder about the “apartment/motel” he lived in? I wonder where his money was going?

Bambi on November 6, 2009 at 4:32 PM

You have to use a little common sense, or you end up in “kill or convert them” land.

Yeah coming from a guy who, should he be consistent, would look outside see the snowfall, then look at his thermometer showing 10F and then start explaining how it is wrong to think it’s cold outside since it will be “a broad indictment against a single weather device and against stuff falling from the sky”. After all there are many measurements on this device and many weather conditions like rain that do not indicate cold.

You however is pretty close to truth in estimating the amount of common sense you use.

Alexey on November 6, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Does anyone have info on how exactly this happened? Meaning, how in the hell a lone gunman could do that much damage at a military base before being taken down? Was it in an office/medical area?

jjraines on November 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM

A Major, and to be fair almost any G.I., could walk onto a Post with any number of weapons. Most U.S. military bases are “weapons free” (and I refuse to be baited on the irony of that comment) but there’s not much to enforce that other than good discipline.

For instance when I go onto a military post I don’t wear my concealed weapon because that is illegal in the state of Texas.

I have to confess to being a little puzzled over the shooting. I would have expected actual combat soldiers to “charge at the sound of gunfire” which was what Sgt. Munley did. The quickest way to stop this kind of event is to try and overwhelm the shooter.

But I don’t know who these troops were or what their MOS were. Remember that most military veterans of war tours are essentially clerks and administrators and never get that close to actual combat or develop that survival skill necessary to close combat. Only a thin slice of soldiers ever experience the action “at the point of the spear”.

E9RET on November 6, 2009 at 4:34 PM

WAIT FOR THE FACTS

Fact: Islam isn’t just a religion, it’s a totalitarian movement intent on world conquest.

Fact: Islam cannot be appeased without submission.

Fact: Hasan should have been booted out of the army when his internet postings became known.

Fact: Fort Hood victims were killed by this Jihadist who was enabled by PC ninnies.

Fact: Obama is allowing more Palestinians to emigrate.

Enough facts for ya?

Basilsbest on November 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM

I hate to say or think this but this site is turning more moderate every day.

thmcbb on November 6, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Jumping to conclusions that this atrocity warrants a broad indictment of a single religion is unwarranted.
Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

In the past 10 years, please identify one terrorist act that did not involve a muslim. True, not all muslims commit terrorist acts, but how many terrorist acts are committed by non-muslims?

Fed45 on November 6, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Notice how many of the conclusion-jumping scolds are the same ones who leap to other conclusions when it suits them, such as rumors about Sarah Palin — just as they leaped to the conclusion that the census worker who died in Arkansas was killed by right-wing extremists.

rrpjr on November 6, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Didn’t France just have a court ruling that Scientology is not a religion? Islam, with tenets that say it is OK to kill nonbelievers and that there is no legitimate authority but Allah, is antithetical to the laws of the US. Islam at the least is not JUST a religion.

GnuBreed on November 6, 2009 at 4:38 PM

In the past 10 years, please identify one terrorist act that did not involve a muslim. True, not all muslims commit terrorist acts, but how many terrorist acts are committed by non-muslims?

Fed45 on November 6, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Wow. That could be a Final Jeopardy question. Oh wait…Blitzer would stumble on it….that make’s it unfair.

BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM

bighead4 on November 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM

I’m NOT the post police, but ed & allah, that comment at 2:48 was in very poor taste.

jbh45 on November 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM

My apologies.

bighead4 on November 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Maybe we should wait until those billion plus muslims are all radicalized. Obviously it didn’t do any good to wait this one out, but I’m sure waiting out the other billion will work out just fine. Of course, that would mean alot of dead innocents all for the idea of feeling better about ourselves for not profiling the most murderous political ideology on the planet today. Ya know, at some point, when all the perpetrators are exactly the same kind of person, it ceases to be profiling and becomes “a description of the suspect” (paraphrasing Ann Coulter).

runawayyyy on November 6, 2009 at 4:41 PM

You can expect the WH and MSM to do their level best to cast ‘reasonable doubt’ in this shooting. The first terror attack on US soil since 9/11 throws out all the Left’s warm fuzzy ignorance that Bush is the president who kept us safe for eight years.

Now, under Obama, we suffer a terror attack. The MSM has to protect him, and they’ll muddy the waters any way they can to accomplish their mission.

Given the evidence so far surfaced, even if half is mistaken, the reasonable conclusion his Hasan intended a terror attack and did it.

If, as Ed claims, Hasan suffered religious delusion, it seems that delusion led him to commit an act in the name of jihad. So, in Hasan’s own mind, however warped, he saw himself as a jihadist.

That sounds like the mindset of a terrorist, to me.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Jumping to conclusions that this atrocity warrants a broad indictment of a single religion is unwarranted.
Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM

In the past 10 years, please identify one terrorist act that did not involve a muslim. True, not all muslims commit terrorist acts, but how many terrorist acts are committed by non-muslims?

Fed45 on November 6, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Tamils, Basques, Colombians, Africans in about a dozen different countries, anti-abortion fanatics in the U.S., Greeks….

There’s a handy list, at the bottom of the page.

Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:44 PM

LOL…

Talk about jumping to conclusions…

Remember Bambi’s “shout out” yesterday?

Turns out the guy was NOT a Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient… he won a Congressinal Gold Medal which OBAMA had presented to him….

So… apparently Bambi made a guy a Hero… who was not… some conclusion there Barry.

Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 4:46 PM

PLEASE – why do leftists apologize for ISLAMIC MURDERERS who follow a book of hate every single time? Why apologize for any murderer??

Are you scared of Islamics? Are you frightened that if they FIND OUT you uttered something negative about them that they will hunt you down? I don’t want to sound obtuse, but I truly do not understand the automatic sympathy to the Islamic killer(s), while none is expressed FOR THE DEAD AMERICANS.

To whom do your loyalties lie? Why do you defend a religion you don’t practice (Islam), yet still bash Christianity 365 days a year?

Ris4victory on November 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Tamils, Basques, Colombians, Africans in about a dozen different countries, anti-abortion fanatics in the U.S., Greeks….

There’s a handy list, at the bottom of the page.

Now identify one terrorist act commited by a guy known to be pious muslim and who shouted Allahu Akbar during it that was commited by anyone but islamic extremist.

Then go and compare the amount of terrorist acts by islamists and by anybody else. Because you see even if didn’t know jack about who he is and just knew that it was a terroristic act we still will have what 80% probability that it is an islamist. Because this is the approximate proportion between terror commited by muslims and terror commited by anyone else.

Alexey on November 6, 2009 at 4:53 PM

And, I don’t meet many Christians who are willing to turn the other cheek or are give up riches because it lessens their chance of getting into Heaven.

You have to use a little common sense, or you end up in “kill or convert them” land.

Bleeds Blue on November 6, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Except that Christians tend to be some of the biggest givers to charity, but hey, whatever.

PS. You might meet more Christians if you’d stop sneering and spitting at them for 10 seconds.

TheUnrepentantGeek on November 6, 2009 at 4:53 PM

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