Video: Obama says to wait for facts before reaching conclusions
posted at 2:30 pm on November 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama gave his second statement on the Fort Hood massacre, and this one went better than his first. He cautioned Americans to let law-enforcement agencies do their job in investigating the 13 murders apparently committed by Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan and to avoid “jumping to conclusions” based on incomplete data. Although this statement has prompted angry responses in e-mail, in this case Obama’s correct — almost anticlimactically so:
Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
President Barack Obama said Friday the entire nation is grieving for those slain at Fort Hood, and he urged people not to jump to conclusions while law enforcement officers investigate the shootings.
Obama met Friday morning with FBI Director Robert Mueller and other federal leaders to get an update on what they’ve learned. Thirteen people were killed and 30 others injured in the shooting rampage at the Texas Army post on Thursday. The suspected shooter is an Army psychiatrist; his motive remains unclear.
“We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” Obama said in a Rose Garden statement otherwise devoted to the economy.
“What we do know is that there are families, friends and an entire nation grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday,” the president said.
Of course we shouldn’t jump to any conclusions, although the impulse to do so is very, very tempting. What do we have? A single data point on a mass shooting where the suspect apparently yelled “Allahu akbar!” before killing 13 people. That could mean a wide range of things, from a conspiracy to commit a series of such attacks, to a militant anti-war action, or to just a lunatic with a religious delusion. That’s why we have law enforcement to investigate crimes — so that conclusions will be based on fact rather than conjecture.
Earlier this year, conservatives howled, and rightly so, when Janet Napolitano issued a report on “right-wing domestic terrorism” that advised law enforcement that opposition to abortion and Obama policies could be indicators of potential extremist violence. The report based that on a couple of lunatics murdering abortionists. It also warned that former combat veterans could fall prey to right-wing militia groups and commit terrorism, based on the single named example of Timothy McVeigh. We were right to criticize that report as entirely conjectural and lacking any specific reasoning. We should not rush to make the same mistake with the Fort Hood massacre.
There is certainly room for criticism of the coverage of the shooting, especially the reluctance of some outlets to report the known facts of Hasan’s circumstances. We deserve to have all the facts presented without bias so as to reach the right conclusions. However, we need to wait for all the facts in order to make sure we do. Rushing to conclusions now does no one any good at all, and almost guarantees that we will reach the wrong ones, such as the one Newsweek waited less than a day to float:
What if Thursday’s atrocious slaughter at Fort Hood only signals that the worst is yet to come? The murder scene yesterday afternoon at the Killeen, Texas, military base, the largest in the country, was heart-wrenching. Details remained murky, but at least 13 are dead and 30 wounded in a killing spree that may momentarily remind us of a reality that most Americans can readily forget: soldiers and their families are living, and bending, under a harrowing and unrelenting stress that will not let up any time soon. And the U.S. military could well be reaching a breaking point as the president decides to send more troops into Afghanistan.
As one person said in Rick Moran’s comments, it reminds me of the conclusion-leaping that took place when the St. Anthony Bridge collapsed in Minneapolis two years ago, which also killed 13 people. The Left didn’t wait for longer than six hours to blame it on Tim Pawlenty’s budget cuts; in the end, it was a design flaw from the original construction that doomed the bridge.
Update: Good point from commenter Dingbat63; Barack Obama should have heeded this advice when he leaped to the conclusion that Cambridge police “acted stupidly” when they arrested Skip Gates. Beer summit!










Blowback
Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.
Trackbacks/Pings
Trackback URL
Comments
Comment pages: « Previous 1 2 3 4 5 … 7 Next »
Hey, it’s not like they haven’t tried this before. When the Law Library of Congress reviewed Honduran law and concluded that the Hondurans had not acted illegally when they removed their rogue president Zelaya from office (contrary to Obama’s position that they had), the Obama administration (acting through its surrogate John Kerry) tried to force the Law Library to reverse its conclusion.
When the facts don’t fit Barry’s preferred Lefty narrative, he’s already demonstrated that he’s perfectly willing to lie, cheat, threaten, and/or do whatever else is necessary to get the conclusion he wants.
AZCoyote on November 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Obama is a deceiver, a dissembler
His Mom trousers are alight
From what pole or banner
Shall they dangle in the night?
What infernal serpent
Has lent him his forked tongue?
From what pit of foul deceit
Has all his hiding and all his whoppers sprung?
What red devil of mendacity
Grips his sick soul with such tenacity?
Will not one in a nation he so cruelly showers with lies
Put some dose of reality between his empty eyes?
PercyB on November 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM
This is not that complicated for someone as smart as BHO…allahu akbar!
d1carter on November 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM
How about a more likely scenario:
You, a non-muslim, witness a muslim sneeze. On reflex, you say “God Bless You” or “Ghesundheit”.
Hate crime? Under current legislation, it certainly can be. Remember, intent is of no value in determing the commission of the crime. The only necessary element is for the muslim, in this case, to “feel” violated.
BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM
A MALE getting harassed in the Army… BS
A MALE MAJOR getting harassed in the Army….double BS
A MUSLIM MALE MAJOR getting harassed in the Army….. triple dog BS
he was a disgruntled, low performing whiner terrorist that needed the care that he was supposed to provide.
ted c on November 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Sure. And when he walks like an Muslim Extremist, talks like an Muslim Extremist, and murders likes a Muslim Extremist, he’s actually just stressed out. Not to mention giving away his furniture and passing out Korans before he goes to the Army Base. Baloney.
kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM
What’s funny is you claiming to be a conservative on any stuff. At best you are liberal with a neutral interest but when it comes to real issues funny how you end up on the left side of the ledger.
highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Napolitano used “terrorist” on other incidents, instantly…but not now…oh, no…
Hasan was on Obama’s Homeland Security panel. This administration is full of idiots.
PC will kill us all.
Conclude early to save yourselves, and your families.
Schadenfreude on November 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Now that Hussain knows that Hasan was shot and injured by a gun-carrying white cop, will he have Holder et al file hate crime charges against her ?
macncheez on November 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM
GOP leaders need to step up and call this spade a spade: This was a Jihadist attack, of the homegrown variety
jp on November 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM
oops, Ralph Peters doesn’t seem happy….hope he’s not “jumping to conclusions”
Fort Hood’s 9/11
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/fort_hood_xjP9yGrJN7gl7zdsJ31vnJ
r keller on November 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM
This Hasan evil man just killed 13 US soldiers while SCREAMING ALLAH AKBAR.
I expect this type of PC garbage from the AP or Poltiico, but not here.
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 6, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Now we shouldn’t “jump to conclusions”, but when the two bloggers are New York and Minnesota Republicans, what do you expect?
MobileVideoEngineer on November 6, 2009 at 3:04 PM
I hear ya, and I’d expect this from Allah. But Ed? I’m kinda shocked. The example about hate crime law legal standards is well-stated above. If he’d screamed “I hate f@ggots” before opening fire, and one of teh victims happened to be gay, it’d be a open and shut case of gay hate crime.
Yet this maniac screams Allah Akbar as he kills 13 US soldiers, and there’s no “jumping to conclusions” that Hasan was motivated by Islam/Jihad.
What a joke. This Obama praise for his refusing to face the facts that this Hasan bastard was a Jihadist is what the MSM spin is, not an objective analysis that ive come to expect here.
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM
“I don’t have all the facts, but the police acted stupidly,” -President Barry Obooba.
“We have plenty of facts about this assassin, such as he was handing out korans the day he committed these murders, and shouted ‘Allahu akbar’ as he killed our countrymen in cold blood, but let’s not jump to conclusions,” -Sheik Abu Barack al-Kenyi Hussein bin Obooba.
Akzed on November 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM
A SINGLE data point?!? Really?
dmh0667 on November 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Hmmmm…. I am not jumping to any conclusions…
However… based on time spent in the Middle East, in and around Islamic societys…
Based on recent history….
Based on reading the Koran itself….
I will state my well thought out conclusion… that based on what I’ve read to date, he was a True follower of Islam. That he decided that he would fight the West in the only way he could, and thus gunned down unarmed soldiers before they could deploy.
Sometimes, things are EXACTLY as they appear… you have a practioner of a Militant Religion, who acted Militant…
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM
The Logical Obvious Facts dictate that Islam has been an enemy of American since it’s inception. The Government might bow to these Self Righteous Carpet Kissing Muppets with $#!+ for brains… but I have absolutely no tolerance for any of them. Obviously we can’t expect the military to protect us from them when this worthless Government won’t allow them to protect themselves.
ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Thanks I said the same thing before NOBODY is going to harass a high ranking Army Military Officer.
Is his family this ignorant of how the U.S. Military works they think this won’t be challenged?
Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Now now, we all know what delicate and sensitive flowers 39-year-old Army majors can be. The need to be coddled like the princesses they are.
highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM
He screamed “Allah Akbar” while shooting dozens of people, has a radical web site praising the Kamikazes and which has the following quote, “If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory”, gave away Korans and his furniture that morning, and started going around in mid-east garb the last few weeks.
What is it we are waiting for?
scrubjay on November 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Yes because that makes the whole situation better.
MobileVideoEngineer on November 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM
hey Odumbo, be sure and don’t act stupidly.
rjoco1 on November 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM
highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM
easy
ted c on November 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Fearless Reader!!! LOL!
ctmom on November 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Not to his face anyway.
From what I have heard/read, it sounds like this guy and his unprofessional and anti-social behavior was the biggest part of the problem.
highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM
this guy was obviously a mollycoddled entitlement mentality low performer who hit rock bottom and started to dig.
ted c on November 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM
There’s just one thing missing from all this: Where does Kevin Bacon fit in here?
BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM
” Obama: Don’t jump to conclusions about Ft. Hood shooting”
(Sounds like Richard Gere after 9/11)
The guy is a radical islamic terrorist. Simple as that.
All this PC crap got 13 killed .
Hussein Obama is such a jerk. . .
Texyank on November 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM
BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM
WTF?
ted c on November 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM
He’s a misunderstanding of Islam who hijacked a great religion.
Akzed on November 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM
He killed a 21 year old woman -soldier, who was a month pregnant she had just got back from a tour in Iraq, and was processing so he actually killed 2 in that case a woman and her unborn baby.
Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM
If our Fearless Reader does not speak the truth about Hasan, when it is published on the Internet for all to see, his poll numbers will plummet faster than they are now.
kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Not all of them are idiots.
Many of them are psychopaths.
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM
I’m sure, if this guy was a low performer–then this was a “lucky you” straw that he drew from his rater or senior rater for a job that no one else would touch.
ted c on November 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Of course – don’t jump to conclusions. The FBI and Obama need a couple of weeks to make up a motive so that we American Christians will be blamed.
Any muslim lunatic who rants about jihad on the Internet and then screams Allah Akbar before shooting his comrades is a jihadist or terrorist by definition.
Any other conclusion is absurd.
txdoc on November 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM
That’s right . . . wait until the facts get in, just like with the police officer who arrested his friend (who acted stupidly).
Now he decides to wait. Why not just open up your mouth and tell us how it is barry?
DuctTapeMyBrain on November 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM
I thought that we had facts…
The guy’s a Muslim
He thought that Muslims had a right to kill Americans
He praised Jihadists (to his commander no less)
He shot over 40 people
He yelled “Allah Akbar” before shooting the soldiers
He’s a typical Muslim terrorist/coward.
Did I jump to a conclusion?
orlandocajun on November 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM
ted c,
Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon
Christien on November 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Another “teachable moment”?
Really, maybe Obama will have a beer with the major after all this has settled down…
right2bright on November 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM
There is no way to dress this up so what is the President and his Administration waiting for?
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/fort-hood-pregnant-woman
Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM
–They’re murderers, mass murders. Just usually not thought of as terrorists.
–And who knows what “God is Great” meant to this guy in this context? Yeah, he was clearly contemplating getting killed or else he wouldn’t have given everything away. But, if he was mentally ill or otherwise impaired, “God is Great” could have meant the equivalent of “Help me God”, not “Praise me God for killing these people”.
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM
It’s “Allahu Akbar“… not Allah Akbar. I guess the “u” denotes the word “is”, as in: God Is Great. And God is Great, but his name isn’t Allah. It can be anything but Allah… like Bob or Ted. But I doubt he likes the name Allah being associated with him. I’m just guessing…
ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Odd qualifier Ed. Anyone that reads the public reports on this massacre are right to draw conclusions without further study.
What other conclusions can we expect? A wider terror conspiracy?
It is what it is, this nut killed his fellow soldiers under the banner of his religion as a protest to our policies.
I am certain the Pentagon today is dealing with the reality this could happen again.
FireBlogger on November 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Christien on November 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM
I’m laughing, but I don’t know why…. WTF is 6deg of Kevin Bacon?
ted c on November 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM
When’s the last time Hot Air delved into the “Religion of Peace” topic?
I guess in this case it was more or less unavoidable. Suprised we didn’t get the “Obligatory Muslim kills a dozen Americans” slugline with this one.
Akzed on November 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM
I hate to bother The Chosen One with the facts (not really), but read this:
Source (via Jihad Watch): http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=36899
More and more facts confirm the homegrown jihad hypothesis, but The Teleprompter President doesn’t like it.
Sir Galahad the Pure on November 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM
It’s a Hollywood legend. Everyone is no more than 6 “layers” away from Kevin Bacon. You know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who met/acted with/knows Kevin Bacon.
BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM
And usually terrorism means the deliberate targeting of non-combatants. These soldiers clearly were totally innocent and not combatants at the time of the shooting, but it’s not like he targeted women and children off the base.
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Yes because that makes the whole situation better.
MobileVideoEngineer on November 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM
–They’re murderers, mass murders. Just usually not thought of as terrorists.
–And who knows what “God is Great” meant to this guy in this context? Yeah, he was clearly contemplating getting killed or else he wouldn’t have given everything away. But, if he was mentally ill or otherwise impaired, “God is Great” could have meant the equivalent of “Help me God”, not “Praise me God for killing these people”.
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM
HEY
Hasan, is that you? Already up and running in the hospital bed?
Give it a rest, apologist.
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM
I just read about the pregnant soldier. I’ll bet Hassan is proud of himself and I’ll bet he is being celebrated by his brothers in jihad.
Sick
ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Sorry I misquoted she was 3 Months pregnant when Hasas murdered her and her unborn baby.
Pregnant Chicago Woman Killed at Fort Hood
Updated: Friday, 06 Nov 2009, 12:53 PM CST
Published : Friday, 06 Nov 2009, 10:48 AM CST
By FOX Chicago News
Chicago – FOX Chicago News has learned that a 21-year-old pregnant woman from the Northwest Side of Chicago was killed in the Fort Hood shooting spree Thursday.
Francheska Velez, a 2006 graduate of Kelvyn Park, recently had returned from a tour of duty in Iraq.
According to family members, Velez had been back for just three days before the incident. She returned home early because she was three months pregnant. She happened to be in the building filling out paperwork due to her pregnancy when the gunman opened fire.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/fort-hood-pregnant-woman
Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Ralph Peters nails it, again, plenty for conclusions.
Schadenfreude on November 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Geez, Barry,
Your “Do-over” press conference attempt to fix your “Shout-out” yesterday turned out even worse.
Christien on November 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM
This may have been mentioned before, but one of the left’s great leaps toward a conclusion seems to be unraveling. Bill Sparkman, the census worker that was hanged by Kentucky crazies for being a federal employee, probably committed suicide.
I wonder if Rachael Maddow will run a series of breathless reports on this?
Buckland on November 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Oh, please, Jimbo.
This was a deliberate act of terrorism by a man who decided to go on a Jihad against the very people who supported his ass for the past 10 years.
It wasn’t because he had “pre-traumatic stress disorder” it wasn’t because he “snapped” because people were mean to him. He killed in the name of Allah. Period.
The only question is if he acted alone or on the behest of some group. That’s the only conclusion I’ll wait to jump to at this point.
Vera on November 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Ed,
This is ridiculous. Why are you always so incredibly soft on Left? You cite examples of absolutely and uterly outrageous leftist ideological spin where, as always, not only they don’t need any evidence to run their mouths but actually do it despite any evidence to the contrary. They do it all the time.
Then you compare it to the case where a guy with arabic name murders US military personel and US civilians while shouting “Allahu Akbar” while being described by his surrounding as “pious muslim”, while ranting, once again according to his surrounding, about US involvement in WOT, while being “almost happy” over Fort Dix etc etc. What jump to conclusion? Can you point to a single event of this sort with a comparable surrounding facts where a person turned out anything but an islamic extremist? Because there are hundreds if not thousands examples where he is just that. No jump to conclusion involved. “That could mean a wide range of things”. Are you for real?
Alexey on November 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Of all the things Obama has said and done that have p*ssed me off, that “don’t jump to conclusions” comment has to be one of the most irritating. It reminds me a bit of that Ad Council “I am an American” PSA after 9/11. In both cases, in the aftermath of an attack by Muslims ON Americans, the Left’s first impulse is discourage Americans from associating the attack with Islam.
They can spin all they want, but I think the cats kinda out of the bag on the whole Islam and violence thing.
Infidoll on November 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM
How lucky it is for Barry that these shootings took place this week…. Now we’ll never hear about 10.2% unemployment, devastating losses in NJ and VA governors races, anti-Obamacare rally in DC, or the raiding of ACORN’s headquarters by Louisiana’s AG, seizing computers, etc.
Also lucky for him that Beck is out of commission this week.
If I was the time questioning type, I’d question the timing.
RightWinged on November 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Yep. Just because of all the past history enumerated here and the fact that he yelled the phrase that all Muslim suicide bombers yell before detonation means nothing at all. You’re stretching, lawyer.
kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM
o/t….The Orlando shooter was paranoid and had been in a mental institution. Shep is interviewing the MIL and doing a great job. He’s so polite that he got her to open up and talk like crazy.
AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM
“Off the base”. Look, I’m not arguing that this guy didn’t kill a bunch of totally innocent people. What I’m arguing is that this might not have been terrorism as it’s usually defined.
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM
The Update reminds me of this parody: Lawyers Hail Obama’s Disparagement of Most Other Professions http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/07/lawyers-hail-obamas-disparagement-of.html
Mervis Winter on November 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Have they released the full list of killed soldiers yet?
Vera on November 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM
I’m questioning the timing.
But don’t much care except for this guy’s connection to something bigger.
I think the timing is about to backfire. There is some major anger here. no pun intended.
ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM
What, in your estimation, is the key difference that gives you pause?
Akzed on November 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM
No, you didn’t jump to a conclusion, but thought clearly about the pattern of confirmed facts. However, the admirer of Jeremiah Wright doesn’t like it. And his wife thinks you’re “just downright mean”.
Sir Galahad the Pure on November 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM
To be fair, zer0bama blows in general.
SouthernGent on November 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM
So if the shooter was a black man would be soon be getting an teaching lesson from Obama about race relations in America????
albill on November 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM
–We’ll see, kingsjester. I just don’t know what Muslims say when they’re going to die usually. Alot of Christians would probably say “Jesus, Save Me”.
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM
So Ft Hood Residents were not terrorized?
Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Oooo… The Imam from Hasan’s Mosque is coming-up on FOX after the break. This should be… very informative.. cough cough.
ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Mr. President, I won’t jump to conclusions if you and your friends on the left won’t ask me to abandon all reasoned and rational thinking as I make my way through the facts of this attack. How’s that? Do we have a deal? No hasty conclusions, just conclusions based on the facts — no matter how uncomfortable those conclusions may be for the multi-culti PC crowd.
Rational Thought on November 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM
God! I wish this doofus would stop feeling the need to lecture us and simply DO if FRIGGIN’ JOB and BE a PRESIDENT! STFU, Barry!
Oh, and gee, I dunno, what other conclusions can one draw. Dude was a Muslim. Didn’t want to be deployed to Afghanistan as he didn’t want to fight against fellow Muslims. Shouted “Allah Akbar” while shooting innocent soldiers. Exactly what conclusion do you NOT want us to jump to, Barry? That this was terrorist act?
Fed45 on November 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Not that I have read but I am trying to keep up with the accounts from the witnesses and any reports on the UNARMED VICTIMS.
Dr Evil on November 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Yeah. You’ve really got to watch out for our Killer Casseroles. Gimme a break. He was a Muslim Extremist.
kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM
ah… but it follows Barry’s worldview… ie… let me make your decisions for you… let me tell you what “I” decide you should think… don’t get MAD… and certainly don’t think for yourself.
Because the LAST thing Obama wants is to, as Yamamoto put it, “wake the sleeping Giant”.
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Imagine what the media and lefties would say to this scenario:
a white Baptist, killing those people in the waiting room, shouting “Jesus is my saviour”. That’s the situation of yesterday, not the one you insinuate.
Schadenfreude on November 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM
You can bet the farm that if someone burst into DNC or ACORN HQ shooting and yelling “Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh!” or “Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin!” or “Fox News, Fox News” Obama would not be cautioning about “jumping to conclusions”.
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Exactly Barry, let’s carefully consider the facts.
It’s not like this guy is Fox News or anything.
Barry will give Fox News a fair trial and then hang them for badmouthing the Obama “administration”.
But a guy who shoots up a bunch of our troops? He didn’t badmouth the Obama “administration” as far as I know, so no hard feelings cuz.
NoDonkey on November 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM
The only dot you need to connect is from him to the koran. Must the FBI find Osama’s semen on his sheets before you get it?! The primacy of the koran, not some terror group you’ve heard of, is all you need. Islam is terror. This guy obeyed Islam. Period.
Akzed on November 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Funny! Thanks for the clarification and getting me wee weeed up! LOL@!
ted c on November 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Neither do I, but I do know what they say when they’re in the middle of killing infidels: Allahu Akbar.
When people are aware that they’re about to die, Oh sh!t is pretty popular, along with fu*k and god dammit!, just to name a few.
BobMbx on November 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM
–Vera, let’s just wait. I’m real skeptical that this was a group activity, but maybe I’m just jaded because the reports for most of Thursday said there were three killers. That turned out to be wrong. And I think it’s unlikely he would have been part of any well-trained terrorist group because he went around giving away his furniture and Korans. That’s not exactly acting inconspicous right before the murders.
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Guys, guys, guys…Have we heard if Ted Danson is pissed?
bighead4 on November 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Great Point!
Sultry Beauty on November 6, 2009 at 3:31 PM
I’m not saying a terror group and didn’t mean that AT ALL. Why was this guy, who doesn’t sound like a model anything, get on some kind of panel for Homeland Security? I can’t be the only one who finds that strange.
ORconservative on November 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM
This requires that you understand the explicit teachings of the Koran are to kill infidels. This is not a perversion of the teachings of Mohammed. It is the central tenet of Islam.
Because many muslims do not kill infidels, some people think that the muslims that do kill infidels are extremists. They are not. They are following the teachings.
Killing Infidels is to Islam as Loving Thy Neighbor is to Christianity
July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Jimbo, I’m not saying that he is affiliated with some larger group. I’m just saying that is really the only question that remains.
Vera on November 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM
I think they might think the guy had more than a few screws loose.
Jimbo3 on November 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Actualy, one of the calls during the Crusades was “God wills It”.
Luckily though… the West pretty much outgrew that type of behaviour… too bad the Moslem’s don’t appear to be doing the same.
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Frankly, I’m getting tired of all this “let’s not jump to conclusions” talk. It’s not a very big jump to the conclusions that a) this guy was a Muslim, b) he was angry over the U.S.’s involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, and c) his religion and his contempt of the military that educated and trained him were instrumental in his decision to do what he did.
Nobody’s jumping to the conclusion that he was a paid operative of Al Qaeda or the Taliban. But he was a religious extremist, without doubt. Let’s not jump to conclusions, but, good God, let’s at least arrive at some.
rivlax on November 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Difference between Bush and Obama:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/nov/06/video-comparing-bush-v-obama-reaction-shooting-mas/
deidre on November 6, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Sorry but haven’t watched TV today. Has anyone in the media blamed Bush yet for this slaughter?
macncheez on November 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM
ted c,
It’s a trivia game in which you try to link any actor to Kevin Bacon is six steps.
Christien on November 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Within a few years someone will write a book called “Dereliction of Duty … … … … …”
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 3:34 PM
the terrorism apologist commentators (jimbo) are strong on this site today.
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 6, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Only if he’s riding a Harley. ;-)
July 10 on November 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM
I think the left lost a lot of reasonable people when they started actually trying to suggest that people are triggered to do stuff like this by media, churches, religions, etc.
People choose. If they are angry and out of control, then religious ideology that is radical and violent will appeal.
AnninCA on November 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM
He was part of a “group”…. called Muslims… and one of the Teachings of their Holy book is that Holy War is not only OK, but your duty.
But I know its not PC to point out that little fact.
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Dictionary Definition of Terrorism: “The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.”
Based on the facts on the ground, it’s pretty clear.
Sultry Beauty on November 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM
So crazy he didn’t even know he was a Muslim when he was shooting? So crazy he was yelling “I’m clearing my way to the snack bar” not “Allahu Akbar” as was racistly heard? So crazy that everything needs to be in the memory hole ….yesterday. I expect a Muslim Insanity plea is a lot easier to prove than a kuffar insanity plea in America today.
BL@KBIRD on November 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Jimbo, but don’t you think it might be appropriate to jump to a few conclusions if people shouting “Jesus is my Savior” had carried out 13,000 terrorist attacks in 8 years?
The more people who do something, the less “crazy” any individual member is considered.
Vera on November 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Comment pages: « Previous 1 2 3 4 5 … 7 Next »