Quotes of the day
posted at 10:00 pm on November 6, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Doing this work you have to make sure that you have good supervision and good support from your colleagues. There’s good evidence that therapists can be vicariously traumatised by hearing these terrible stories and develop some of the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. They may have distressing thoughts about the trauma they have been exposed to; although they have not been through the original traumatic event themselves they are suffering nevertheless. That’s a well-recognised phenomenon.”
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“Jose Padilla, the owner of Hasan’s apartment complex, said Hasan gave him notice two weeks ago that he was moving out this week.
“Earlier this week, Hasan asked Padilla his native language. When Padilla said it was Spanish, Hasan immediately went up to his apartment to get him a Spanish-language Quran. Padilla said Hasan also refused to reclaim his deposit and last month’s rent, surrendering $400 that the major said should go to someone who needed it.”
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Via the Right Scoop.










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In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.
Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of searching for unicorns.
Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammad, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammad himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”
Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.
Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
- JihadWatch (A_Plague_on_Both_Houses)
MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 11:07 PM
From an F-15E pilot on an aircraft forum:
The entire discussion:
WIX forum
cozmo on November 6, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Do not forget the Army Sergeant Hasan Akbar, who fragged his fellow soldiers in Kuwait. And listen to this, “Akbar’s mother and military attorneys alledge that Akbar snapped in the weight of relentless ridicule and harassment of his Muslim faith by fellow soldiers”. Does that sound familiar?
Johan Klaus on November 6, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Ever read the Koran?
Lets see… no equal rights… a woman is worth less than half a man…
Pedophilia? Ok because Moh did it…
Beat yer wife? sure… no prob, just can’t use too thick of a stick…
Lie to Infidels? fine…
Death for Gays? yep…
Death for “infidelity”?… yep…
Freedom of Religion??? uh… no… death if you change your religion…
Freedom of speech? Sure, as long as you don’t say anything bad about Islam…
Rule of Law? Sharia trumps secular law…
Jihad? yep, yer duty…
Need I really continue? or do you not understand that these things ARE in the Koran….
Yes, there are some Moslem’s who are like Pro Abortion Catholics… but they can only coexist if they are NOT good Moslems… the minute they actualy bother to follow the writing of their holy book, their beliefs do become incompatble with Western ideas of Freedom…
Heck… Islam itself means SUBMISSION… which is totaly the opposite of the Western Ideal… which is “decide” (IMO).
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Fact: Hasan is a muslim.
Fact: Hasan is a terrorist.
Fact: Hasan is a Jihadist.
Fact: Hasan is a murderer.
Fact: Hasan was sane when he committed the murders.
Fact: Hasan is no different than a suicide bomber
Fact: Hasan is going to be tried and convicted in a military court and sentenced to death.
Sanmon on November 6, 2009 at 11:11 PM
There is probably more to this. From what I’ve read authorities are not ruling out the possibility that he acted on behalf of some group.
maybe, however, from Pew:
Relatively few Muslim Americans believe the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to reduce terrorism, and many doubt that Arabs were responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.
hello
runner on November 6, 2009 at 11:11 PM
I wisht he media and the Military would jsut come out and entertain the idea that this IS a domestic terrorist attack. I forgot his name (Stephen Hayes maybe?) but the reporter from the Weekly Standard said on the panel on Special Report that if it is true that the FBI ruled out asking questions about terrorism only hours after the attack then the head of the FBI NEEDS to be Fired.
I am sick of this PC BS because it is feeding into the spin that somehow our soldiers are overstressed and could crack at any moment. I have heard of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder but I never heard of PRE Traumatic Stress Disorder!
The evidence is mounting up more and more that this was a Domestic terror attack by an American Islamic Fundamentalist yet the media is ignoring. Even O’Reilly hides under his desk when it comes to this.
I can picture a cartoon where the wounded Hasan is lying there in a pool of blood mumbling: “Death to America”, “I am a Palestinian first”, “Allahu Akbar”, “American Aggressors”, “My Muslim Brothers”; and a reporter is right there in front of a camera saying, “yep, all signs pointing to a nervous breakdown brought on by the stress.”
Thank you Lt. Col. Peters for saying what we have all been thinking.
Daemonocracy on November 6, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Pre-Post traumatic syndrome.
proudteadrinker on November 6, 2009 at 11:14 PM
I wish I could bring myself to think that highly of them.
justltl on November 6, 2009 at 11:14 PM
OT: Everyone needs to go to Jim Treacher’s blog. He has a hillarious post on Megan McCain. Excellent work Mr Treacher.
Dire Straits on November 6, 2009 at 11:16 PM
I’m waiting for Whoopi to tell us if he was a Muslim Muslim.
countrybumpkin on November 6, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Any pictures?
Lanceman on November 6, 2009 at 11:16 PM
You’re baaaaad
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Yessir Buddy. Allah will freak out when he gets an eyeful of these.
Dire Straits on November 6, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Yeah, but you need a wide-screen monitor to view them.
/Sorry
Spirit of 1776 on November 6, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Why are none of our concern trolls emphatically defending the rights of our 13 dead American brothers and sisters & their distraught families w/the same zeal & determination they defend the ISLAMIC FREAKS who worship a pedophile?
The families are all going through hell right now grieving; where is the lefty concern for them? Can they now kill any islamic freak douchebag they come across and blame “grief stress” caused their actions? Will you defend that??
Ris4victory on November 6, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Hehe
Saw them the other day.
Treacher nails it!
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:20 PM
There is a similar incident,Egyption Flight 990,where over
the ocean,pilot Gamilee Elbatootee(spelling close enough)
was a normal person by all who knew him!
On the flight over the ocean,recorded on the flight data
recorder,the plane nose-dives with Gamilee repeating God
is Great,and drives the airliner into the ocean,killing
everybody!!
And his family and friends can’t believe it,one theory is
suicide!!!!
AirCrash Investigation/Egypt Air Flight 990/Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN8Xlqc3590
canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Damn! I want that!
Lanceman on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Allah, you should also post the O’Reilly segment with Bernie Goldberg… they destroy the mainstream media.
RightWinged on November 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Sorry to be OT- Barney Frank with partner when partner arrested at home in Maine- for growing pot. On Fox scroll now.
Monica on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Monica:
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Our_Gang_Bang.jpg
canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Yeah, if only those things made ya smart… she’d be a genius!
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Poor Hasan. The thought of George Bush liberating 28 million Muslims drove him crazy. No wonder the leftard MSM identifies with him.
Basilsbest on November 6, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Soooooooooooo if I hear enough stories about “giving birth to a child”, vicariously I have “giving birth to a child” even though its physically impossible for a man to give birth to a child?
Or is this a bunch of Goo Goo mush head nonsense?
DSchoen on November 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM
FIFM.
AZ_Redneck on November 6, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Ah, but the root syntax of Islam means to “surrender or submit”… thus giving them Freedom is anti Islamic…
Romeo13 on November 6, 2009 at 11:30 PM
No comment…
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:30 PM
There are millions of non-devout
MuslimsJews livingpeacefullyliberally in America.David2.0 on November 6, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Lanceman on November 6, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Green Room material..Well maybe Underground Green Room material.
Dire Straits on November 6, 2009 at 11:35 PM
The spin on this tragedy by the press is incredibly ignorant.
Baxter Greene on November 6, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Baxter Greene: The Jihadys have a message that the Liberals,
and State Runned Media, fail to understand!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rw5MosKRm4&feature=related
canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Help me out, here, Meathead. Has HA been running screwy and slow for the last few days, or is it my computer?
Lanceman on November 6, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Dunno… but I have had it time out a few times…
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Let’s carry this forward.
If true, a therapist will need to give therapy to the original therapists, then another therapist will need to give therapy to those therapists, then another therapist……
Infinite loop and all the therapists implode.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM
You always forget the third and most likely possibility. You are running screwy.
Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Me Too. It was acting freaky this morning.
Dire Straits on November 6, 2009 at 11:39 PM
There needs to be some follow-through!
ncborn on November 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Most definitely all day today, prior to that somewhat.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/06/barney-frank-present-partner-arrested-pot/?test=latestnews
Monica on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Monica: His partner in crimes has an interesting name,
a male stripper perhaps,
James READY,willing and able!!!!!!!haha:)
canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:41 PM
I call bs on this. There is no stress that is nearly as harrowing, as being in the combat zone. It is surreal until someone gets hit. Then there is an immediate reality check.
My grandson was hit in the back in Afghanistan and he still has bad dreams. I have got to give the young’un credit, because after his recovery in Germany he went back to Afghanistan and finished his tour.
Johan Klaus on November 6, 2009 at 11:42 PM
The difference is Christ did away with teaching us to destroy our enemies he told us to love them instead.
The Koran was written long after Christ. It teaches to kill Christians and Jews and only seek peace for a small period of time to become strong enough to kill them. There is no tolerance of Christians, Jews or Gentiles in the Koran and it is considered the ultimate authority. Even in 100% Muslim countries the Muslims fight each other. Peaceful Muslim is an oxymoron.
By the way there are many 100% Muslim countries but no 100% Christian or 100% Jewish Nations. Why is that if they are peaceful? If they are peaceful why did they kick out all the Christians and Jews?
Steveangell on November 6, 2009 at 11:42 PM
What Col. Peters said.
baldilocks on November 6, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Help me out, here, Meathead. Has HA been running screwy and slow for the last few days, or is it my computer?
Lanceman on November 6, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Dunno… but I have had it time out a few times…
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Most definitely all day today, prior to that somewhat.
rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM
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For about a week,its been a tad slow,but I’ve had to hit refresh alot,sumpin has been screwery so to speak!!:)
canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Did everyone see all the peaceful Muslims fill the streets today to protest the actions of Hasan the Jihadist?
Me neither.
Geochelone on November 6, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Probably the influx of trolls for Ft Hood and Election
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:46 PM
But as soon as we severe ties with Israel, that will all change…
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:47 PM
+100
Geochelone on November 6, 2009 at 11:47 PM
You always forget the third and most likely possibility. You are running screwy.
Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Loxodonta: I’ve had a strange suspicision,it might be me!:)
-hehe.
canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Probably the influx of trolls for Ft Hood and Election
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:46 PM
MeatHeadinCA: Could be,I wouldn’t be surprised if trolls
tried to virus this site,but then again,that
might sound like crazy talk!!:)
canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Pretty much says it all.
Hawkins1701 on November 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM
When they are that BIG I wonder if it isn’t artificial intelligence. Silicone or Silicon I can’t tell.
Geochelone on November 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Is that you, Glenn Beck?
Naw… just the Budweiser…
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:52 PM
If they will support and defend the Constitution and leave me alone to serve my God … I can abide peacefully with them and they with me.
On a side note … I haven’t observed any reports of the Jews strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up others … shooting up US military bases … shooting military recruiters …
There are some folks keeping count of Muslim exploits …
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/. I think we are up to something like 14,000 for the year.
As more Muslims become devout and understand the book of evil to which they devote themselves … we will have more incidents like this and much worse.
If the Jews in America become devout … we won’t have to be so concerned with the liberals.
AZ_Redneck on November 6, 2009 at 11:53 PM
I have pre and post politically correct syndrome (PCS). It renders me completely unable to feel even a modicum of sympathy for murdering Muslims.
anXdem on November 6, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Lets not forget a bit of history that most Americans don’t know. Most of these countries – Israeli, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, etc. were part of the British Empire less than a century ago. They still have a lot of deep seeded anger at English speaking nations like the USA and Great Britain.
ny59giants on November 6, 2009 at 11:55 PM
You would hit it sober, right?
Geochelone on November 6, 2009 at 11:55 PM
No, but Lanceman is the leader of the fan club…
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Did everyone see all the peaceful Muslims fill the streets today to protest the actions of Hasan the Jihadist?
Me neither.
Geochelone on November 6, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Geochelone:This is form Atlas Shrugs site!!
Martyrdom!
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM
If that were the case, Chaplains would be running around doing much worse. (course, I’d rather talk to my Chaplain than a freaking shrink any day of the week. Made up mental science by people who invented what they discovered)
hawkdriver on November 6, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Now we know where Grows gets the one liners…
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:59 PM
You Lie, Boy!
Well, not really.
Lanceman on November 7, 2009 at 12:00 AM
There is plenty for everyone. Take a number.
Geochelone on November 7, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Don’t forget Allahpundit.
Dire Straits on November 7, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Just as we will no longer allow the “racism” charge to stand, we must no longer allow the phony charge of “Islamophobia” to stand. We must call the propaganda when it is obvious.
Connie on November 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Just don’t take a 2 digit number… some people can’t count that high.
MeatHeadinCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Did everyone see all the peaceful Muslims fill the streets today to protest the actions of Hasan the Jihadist?
Me neither.
Geochelone on November 6, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Geochelone: Crap,just scroll down till you hit Pamela’s
Shot of the Day picture!!!!!:)
canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Uh, then why are not the rest of them blowing up the French and Italians… not to mention the Turks… or heck, go back far enough the Romans and Greeks…
Sometimes history is used as an excuse to be mad… instead of being the real reason to be mad.
Romeo13 on November 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM
And before that is was part of the Ottoman (an Islamic) Empire for 400 years. What’s your point?
They want to kill us because we are infidels (not Muslim). They understand the beliefs of our founding fathers better than the typical American adult.
AZ_Redneck on November 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM
No lyin’ from me…
MeatHeadinCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Jose Padilla was the name of his landlord?
Jose Padilla?
What are the odds?
notropis on November 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Call it what you want. What you call bs was a question. An F-15 combat veteran answered the question.
cozmo on November 7, 2009 at 12:02 AM
After he gets suffocated from it rolling on him… we will forget…
MeatHeadinCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Allah wants her for her brains.
Lanceman on November 7, 2009 at 12:03 AM
It does seem a little strange, but then again, how many Joses are in this country illegally while we do nothing about it??? What are the odds that everyone is this stupid?
MeatHeadinCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Halloween has passed.
MeatHeadinCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:04 AM
O u sick perv. I didn’t mean on the same night. :)
Geochelone on November 7, 2009 at 12:04 AM
By the way, for lack of anything else to watch, I watched BOR tonight for the first in 2 years. With the exception of the Geraldo segment, I thought “Wow! He actually did a good show.” Until the MPAC as patriots statement and then I was right back to where I was 2 years ago. BOR gets most of it, but the part he gets wrong is so egregious. He does not have a clue about propaganda.
Connie on November 7, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Exactly what I thought.
JohnJ on November 7, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Both of them?
Geochelone on November 7, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Although what you inferred crossed my mind… I was simply pointing out that numbers higher than 5 probably can’t be processed. ;)
MeatHeadinCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:07 AM
You know what scares the p!ss out of me?
Back in the 90′s, Clinton kept blowing off and explaining away attack after attck. Which only meant the jihadis had to get more shocking and more deadly.
Culminating in 9-11. If you ignore jihadis, they don’t go away, they plot something worse.
Sekhmet on November 7, 2009 at 12:07 AM
There’s good evidence that therapists can be vicariously traumatised by hearing these terrible stories and develop some of the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.
If that were the case, Chaplains would be running around doing much worse. (course, I’d rather talk to my Chaplain than a freaking shrink any day of the week. Made up mental science by people who invented what they discovered)
hawkdriver on November 6, 2009 at 11:59 PM
hawkdriver: Good evening or good morning!!
I don’t buy the line that under the stress of combat in close quarter fighting,or by air with the threat of an
ground to air missisle strike,or ground fire is the same
as this Doctor listening to the stories abd acting stressed
as the same!!!!!!!!!!!
Hawkdriver,hope your doing fine,under the circmstances
Stateside,and in the theatre of Operations!!:)
canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Are you referring to her top or her bottom? :)
Dire Straits on November 7, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Well, I’ve got to go get beer. And besides, with The Meathead here, Annin is sure to show up. Then she’ll hog all the posting space and it’ll really get messy.
Allah! Lox is pickin’ on me again!
Lanceman on November 7, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Lt. Col. Peters is the only one I’ve heard tell the truth!!!
I am sick of hearing about his trauma! It was premeditated murder. It was treason!!!!!!!!
Do we just allow treason now? Do mass murders get off because they were traumitzed in their life? I imagine every murderer out there had trauma!!!
We do need to know more about the victims. The pain this deranged idiot has caused.
petunia on November 7, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Two things…
The idea that pychiatrists are traumatized from listening to their patients is not new. But if they are any good at their profession they realize what is happening and seek counseling from another therapist. Others simply take time off or even go into another field. Hasan did none of those things, instead he attempted to convert his patients, totally against any ethical interpretation of his profession. And the pathetic excuse that he didn’t want to go to Afghanistan won’t wash either. So why didn’t he just shoot himself? No, he wanted to kill those people because he believed they were the enemy.
Second, the idea being promoted by the media that he “snapped.” This is solidly disproven by his history of radical posts on the internet, his purchase of the weapons, his giving away his belongings, and his revealing his plans to at least move, etc. The fact that he calmly entered the room, sat a a desk, and then stood up and shouted “God is great” showed he was in control. This was premeditated terrorism.
Deanna on November 7, 2009 at 12:08 AM
What other country in the world gives the rank of Major to an enemy?
d1carter on November 7, 2009 at 12:09 AM
This thread has gone into the gutter. I blame Lox. :)
Geochelone on November 7, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Ann is too busy at her son’s Frat parties to talk to poor widdle me on a Friday night…
MeatHeadinCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:09 AM
I AM READY TO PUKE TOO!
ON THE MSM AND HUSSEIN OBAMA
reliapundit on November 7, 2009 at 12:12 AM
WOW! They really are reaching aren’t they? Based on this ‘THEORY’ the most Evil TV Show’s forensic psychiatrist Dr. Michael Stone who examines various killers’ and created a scale that supposedly decodes a killer’s motive, method and mind should start committing serial rape and murder any day now. FAIL! Let’s not call a spade a spade or a Muslim extremist a Muslim extremist!
Sultry Beauty on November 7, 2009 at 12:12 AM
But enough about the Republican party!
crr6 on November 7, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Now I’m really outta here. Cur6 is here. Freakin’ mongrel.
Lanceman on November 7, 2009 at 12:14 AM
If you seriously follow the example of Mohammad, Hasans result.
Islam despises freedom of thought, equality of the sexes, religious liberty, secular government, and an honest analysis of historical texts. [See: The Yemeni Korans.]
Making it incompatable with our world.
And the Conflict between Theocratic Tyranny and Human Liberty is only going to grow bloodier the more P.C. is used by our delusional “leaders” to handle it.
Every political, media, military, academic, entertainment world, ~and all the other talking head type figures need to be asked one fundamental question:
“Have you read the Koran?”
If they answer anything but “Of course!” they need to be laughed off the world stage.
For how many more years after 9/11 can such a fatal derelection of duty be tolerated?
profitsbeard on November 7, 2009 at 12:15 AM
See ya around on the better side of teh nets
MeatHeadinCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:15 AM
If a psychiatrist can be so traumatized by doing his job of listening to people to bad stories, then the press should be held liable for torture and the infliction of emotional distress on the whole population as they push these same stories onto the population day after day, just to serve their twisted leftist agenda.
if the lame stream media took itself seriously, they would do away with themselves for inflicting such trauma on the population. They have declared themselves to be torturers of the worst kind, using their own rules on them, and showing how they think that such trauma by story is so strong.
progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 12:16 AM
MeatHeadinCA: Could be,I wouldn’t be surprised if trolls
tried to virus this site,but then again,that
might sound like crazy talk!!:)
canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Is that you, Glenn Beck?
MeatHeadinCA on November 6, 2009 at 11:52 PM
MeatHeadinCA: Thats is,your off to camp!!
http://diversitylane.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/diversitylane_campers_for-blog.jpg
canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Should be thats it,not is!!
canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Yeah, Obama might come off as professorial, but he still strikes me as a push-through…
MeatHeadinCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:19 AM
And the second one. This was the first one.
baldilocks on November 7, 2009 at 12:19 AM
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