Quotes of the day

posted at 10:00 pm on November 6, 2009 by Allahpundit

“Doing this work you have to make sure that you have good supervision and good support from your colleagues. There’s good evidence that therapists can be vicariously traumatised by hearing these terrible stories and develop some of the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. They may have distressing thoughts about the trauma they have been exposed to; although they have not been through the original traumatic event themselves they are suffering nevertheless. That’s a well-recognised phenomenon.”

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“Jose Padilla, the owner of Hasan’s apartment complex, said Hasan gave him notice two weeks ago that he was moving out this week.

“Earlier this week, Hasan asked Padilla his native language. When Padilla said it was Spanish, Hasan immediately went up to his apartment to get him a Spanish-language Quran. Padilla said Hasan also refused to reclaim his deposit and last month’s rent, surrendering $400 that the major said should go to someone who needed it.”

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There is a similar incident,Egyption Flight 990,where over
the ocean,pilot Gamilee Elbatootee(spelling close enough)
was a normal person by all who knew him!

On the flight over the ocean,recorded on the flight data
recorder,the plane nose-dives with Gamilee repeating God
is Great,and drives the airliner into the ocean,killing
everybody!!

And his family and friends can’t believe it,one theory is
suicide!!!!

AirCrash Investigation/Egypt Air Flight 990/Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN8Xlqc3590

canopfor on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 PM

What year was that? I always wondered why that was so hush hush. It’s like we sort of got the details and then it was just not discussed anymore!

petunia on November 7, 2009 at 12:19 AM

A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.

MB4 on November 6, 2009 at 11:07 PM

But enough about the Republican party!

crr6 on November 7, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Liberal priorities in a nutshell.

A discussion about a guy murdering 13 soldiers…

Nah. Let’s talk about what our evil opposition is up to.

….Reminds me of a bumper sticker I like.

“It’s a shame liberals don’t hate abortion and terrorism as much as they hate George Bush.”

Obama’s leadership style is no different. He condemns his political opponents in far starker terms than he ever addresses America’s enemies.

Hawkins1701 on November 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM

What Col. Peters said.

baldilocks on November 6, 2009 at 11:44 PM

One of the things O’Reilly said about the MSM biased “reporting” of this incident also got to me. How many Americans are ever going to find out about the facts of this case?

I’m quite willing to be restrained in my judgments until I get all the evidence. But so many of the “reporters” in the MSM ahve not restrained their judgment. They are offering up excuse after excuse for the perpetrator, while doing little reporting on the real victims and heroes in this case.

Similarly, President Obama’s behavior toward this incident does not seem geared to avoid leaping to wrong conclusions, but rather toward minimizing the importance of these events. And in so doing, he also is diminishing the value of the real victims and heroes in this case.

This is not all about Hasan. It’s also about real Americans who have lost their lives, their partners, their parents, their health due to the premeditated actions of a mass murderer. Why is our president and so many in the MSM making that judgment?

Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM

What year was that? I always wondered why that was so hush hush. It’s like we sort of got the details and then it was just not discussed anymore!

petunia on November 7, 2009 at 12:19 AM

No westerners were killed…. and American Idol was on…

Romeo13 on November 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Heres todays,Diversity Lane,on Liberals view of the shooting!

http://diversitylane.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/diversitylane_shooter_for-blog2.jpg

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Allah! Lox is pickin’ on me again!

Lanceman on November 7, 2009 at 12:08 AM

You can stop my teasing very easily.

I only tease people I like.

Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 12:23 AM

One of the reasons that the Army kept Major Hasan was that he owed the Army 13-17 years of active duty to pay back for his medical school and psychiatry training.

However, as comments on other threads have pointed out, he was not the only doctor who owed the military for their medical training and tried to get out this debt.

*******************

Ralph Peters is correct. Hasan did not have to get orders from Osama bin Laden or anyone else to be a terrorist.

Hasan has been planning this for months. If the internet postings were his, he was killing Soldiers at Fort Hood to protect the Islamists in Iraq and Afghanistan. How long ago did he buy the pistols? He gave his landlord notice 2 weeks ago even though he did not have a deployment date. He was giving away his possessions for several days. Since he did not have a deployment date, that was a sign that he was planning to commit suicide by being shot after he kiled as many Soldiers as he could. He went to Fort Hood that morning on a suicide mission.

slp on November 7, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Allah wants her for her brains.
Lanceman on November 7, 2009 at 12:03 AM

And the Twinkie stash…

joejm65 on November 7, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Bill is wrong, Ralph Peters is correct. Hasan may have “snapped” but that goes hand in hand with Islam. After all, to believe in Islam, one must be a mentally ill goat fornicator. Now that ain’t PC, so sue me.

scullymj on November 7, 2009 at 12:27 AM

Lt. Col. Ralph Peters schooled that idiot O’Reilly. I can’t watch Bill anymore. And Fox News is supposed to be so one-sided. Give me a break. Peters is right, the Army is so politically correct now that it put it’s own soldiers and civilians in danger. They know this and this is why they need to change the focus to PTSD vs Islamofascism. I loved it when Peters says he’s gonna puke because the media is focused on poor, troubled, harassed Major Hasan. I already puked over that.

Liberals change their chant “Free Mumia Abu Jamal” to “Free Nidal Malik Hasan” in 5..4..3..2..

Sultry Beauty on November 7, 2009 at 12:27 AM

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Excellent point, as usual.

Geochelone on November 7, 2009 at 12:27 AM

Did everyone see all the peaceful Muslims fill the streets today to protest the actions of Hasan the Jihadist?

Me neither.

Geochelone on November 6, 2009 at 11:46 PM

They can’t. To speak out against the killing of infidels would be to speak out against Allah.

July 10 on November 7, 2009 at 12:27 AM

I think what really traumatized Hasan was getting a poor service report. His career was over. He couldn’t find a wife. He wanted to commit suicide by police. He’s not the first.

Of course he was crazy what mass murderer is sane?

The Muslim stuff is the way suicide by police manifests itself in Muslims.

If he was a Christian he probably would have done something similar. Like that guy in Orlando today. Or that kid at Virginia Tech. (I understand Hasan graduated from the same) Copy Cat?

At any rate the media is showing way too much sympathy to him. He is a mass murder. He commit treason.

The death penalty is called for. Let him go and tell God he was too traumatized to tell it was wrong to kill people. That should get him nothing.

petunia on November 7, 2009 at 12:28 AM

Sorry to be OT- Barney Frank with partner when partner arrested at home in Maine- for growing pot. On Fox scroll now.

Monica on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Boo Monica! I posted that in the Barney Frank thread a few hours ago, rip me off why don’t ya! :) jk

SoxNation on November 7, 2009 at 12:28 AM

But enough about the Republican party!

crr6 on November 7, 2009 at 12:13 AM

You have NO decency.

Lt. Col. Ralph Peters is a great American! He is also absolutely right. PC will kill us all.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2009 at 12:29 AM

The facts are indisputable. This muslim is a terrorist.

It’s like saying being kinky with a feather when using the whole chicken.

If anyone wasn’t listening to what Col. Peters said is living in the land of the Cookie Carnival

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 12:29 AM

And the second one. This was the first one.

baldilocks on November 7, 2009 at 12:19 AM

baldilocks: Interesting fact that he was another convert
similar to Hasan!!

Thats some sick initiation rights for a convert
to kill Americans!

Baldilocks,I hope this evening is finding you
well!!:)

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:30 AM

What year was that? I always wondered why that was so hush hush. It’s like we sort of got the details and then it was just not discussed anymore!

petunia on November 7, 2009 at 12:19 AM

petunia: Personally,I believe this was a dry-run to see how
easy it was to drive an airliner into the ocean!!

Oct 1 1999!:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:35 AM

You too, Canada!

baldilocks on November 7, 2009 at 12:36 AM

If anyone wasn’t listening to what Col. Peters said is living in the land of the Cookie Carnival

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Kini: Its a torture video!! haha!:)(I’m kidding tho).

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:38 AM

You too, Canada!

baldilocks on November 7, 2009 at 12:36 AM

baldilocks,-:)

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:39 AM

cozmo on November 7, 2009 at 12:02 AM

Been there done that, although long ago.

Johan Klaus on November 7, 2009 at 12:40 AM

This article was mentioned by Katy earlier, it a interesting read

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Its a torture video!! haha!:)(I’m kidding tho).

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:38 AM

Depends on how you feel about Walt Disney

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Sadly, I fear our Government-Media Complex more than the Jihadists. I do not mean to trivialize what happened at Fort Hood.

The Fed and the MSM, working together, can ALTER REALITY.

Just look what they are doing. Its a house of warped mirrors or the puppet shadows on Plato’s cave. The internet and blogs are our only salvation, the only path to truth. Journalism is dead.

Geochelone on November 7, 2009 at 12:44 AM

Its a torture video!! haha!:)(I’m kidding tho).

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Depends on how you feel about Walt Disney

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Kini: Tee-Hee,hey,our family,every sunday at 6 o’clock
faithfully watched the Walt Disney hour,back when!!:)

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Ignore that “Kind mit einem winzigen Gehirn”.

Johan Klaus on November 7, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Well,I’m off to walk my sons dog to zee store,
and am calling it a night!

Nite,everyone,HawkDriver,May the Winds of Hot Air
rise along with your rotors and keep you safe!!:)

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Tee-Hee,hey,our family,every sunday at 6 o’clock
faithfully watched the Walt Disney hour,back when!!:)

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:45 AM

We’re watching Fox and the Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad :)

Politically Incorrect

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Needs To Be Repeated: Victor Davis Hanson sums up our new PC way we are dealing with the “Religion of Peace”:

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November 6, 2009
Fort Hood
A now familiar horror story.
by Victor Davis Hanson
Pajamas Media

News accounts are spotty; emotions run high; reliable information is rare; rumor abounds. Nevertheless, what are we to make of Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan’s horrific rampage at Ft. Hood, Texas, where in cold-blooded fashion he murdered 12, and wounded at least 31?

I think, on the one hand, we will see the familiar therapeutic exegesis, in which we hear of traumatic stress syndrome, justified and principled opposition to the Iraq and Afghan wars, generic mental illness, anger at being deployed overseas, or maltreatment from fellow soldiers due to his Muslim faith and various other efforts to “contextualize” the violence. (I am watching Major Hasan’s cousin on the news right now [I think], on spec, explain that the otherwise normal killer was a victim of bias and was ill at ease with firearms (after shooting over 40 victims and surviving the carnage). I cannot imagine the trauma of family members of the dead hearing such sentiments aired, or knowing that the killer apparently had voiced prior extremist sympathies.

On the other hand, one could instead see Hasan in a long line of killers and would-be murderers of the last decade that in some loose way express an Islamic anger at either American culture or the United States government or both, as a way of elevating their own sense of failure into some sort of legitimate cosmic jihad.

Prior to 2009, there have been at least 20 terrorist plots broken up after September 11, 2001 — aimed at subways, malls, military bases, airports, bridges, and synagogues. Those foiled cabals are in addition to more common scattered murdering by freelancing angry killers, who in some very general way either evoked radical Islam, their own faith, the Palestinian cause, al-Qaedistic Islamism, or solidarity with worldwide Islam (from the Beltway sniper to the UNC and the San Francisco car murderers), and a number of lethal attacks on Jewish centers and temples resulting in numerous deaths (from the LAX attacks to the San Francisco and Seattle shootings).

In 2002, long ago, I wrote an article in which I called this al Qaedism and updated it with more recent examples in 2007.

In this year alone, aside from the recent mass murdering at Ft. Hood, there have been four more terrorist plots uncovered. Colorado resident Najibullah Zazi was recently indicted for conspiring to use explosives in the U.S., apparently as part of a plot to let off a bomb in New York on the anniversary of 9/11. In addition, North Carolina residents Daniel Patrick Boyd and Hysen Sherifi were arrested and charged with conspiring to murder U.S. military personnel at Quantico, Virginia. In Texas, Hosam Maher Husein Smadi — a 19-year-old Jordanian citizen who was in the U.S. illegally — was arrested and charged after he placed a would-be bomb near Fountain Place, a 60-story office tower in downtown Dallas.

Most recently in Boston, a Massachusetts man was arrested in connection with terrorist plots that included attacks on U.S. shopping malls and on two White House officials. Tarek Mehanna, 27, of Sudbury, Mass, was charged with plotting with other terrorists from 2001 to May 2008 to carry out overseas and domestic terrorist attacks — including killing shoppers and first responders at malls.

While there is sometimes talk of backlash and anti-Muslim hysteria since 9/11, I don’t think the number of Muslims attacked or killed is comparable to the number of non-Muslims killed by Muslims who evoked Islam in some way as a catalyst for their angers. Nor do we see comparable serial Christian, Hindu, or Jewish-inspired attacks either against mosques and Muslims or the policies of the United States government, either by single actors or more active and organized plotters. I do not quite then understand our official government statements that “the attacks of September 11th, 2001 and the continued efforts of these extremists to engage in violence against civilians has (sic) led some in my country to view Islam as inevitably hostile not only to America and Western countries, but also to human rights. This has bred more fear and mistrust.” In theory, this sounds magnanimous and serious. In fact, I would like to see examples of “some” and serial incidents where very many Americans out of unwarranted furor have helped breed “fear and mistrust.”

Perhaps worrying about such violence or trying to explain it constitutes “fear” and “mistrust”. Here is an example of what I wrote in 2002 after the sniping and random acts of Islamic violence:

When, as an individual or collectively, he constructs someone or something culpable for his own — or his people’s — sense of failure, then a primordial urge to lash out follows. His mind returns to the seventh-century never-never land of scimitars and sharia law mixed in with rote chanting of “Allah Akbar!” while his body and material appetites are stranded in our cosmos of Baywatch reruns and professors on the BBC and CNN whining on about the dangers of Islamaphobia. What, then, are the catalysts for the al Qaedist that turn him from hothouse anti-Americanism to deadly violence?

After the 2007 Fort Dix plot, I wrote nearly three years ago the following chilling prognosis:

So, in the end, what are we to make of Fort Dix — yet another post-9/11 straw on an increasingly tired camel’s back?

We know that CAIR will neither seriously admonish Muslims charged with terrorist crimes nor introspectively examine the larger Islamic culture that seems to so incite the jihadist.

Such organizations will not do so as long as they can far more easily play on the self-doubt and guilt of the affluent and leisured citizen, who is supposed to believe that the dangers of radical Islam, both at the state and individual level, are mostly fictions inspired by our own prejudices. The sermonizing here in the United States by an Ayatollah Khatami, readily received by complaint listeners, and the satellite-beamed sophistry of Tariq Ramadan prove that well enough.

Most Americans will not remember Fort Dix in a week — just as they have forgotten Salt Lake City, San Francisco, Seattle, Lodi, Portland, and all the rest; just as they want out of Fallujah now and probably Kandahar tomorrow.

Yet, at some point, the jihadists will go too far. Many of us, erroneously as it turned out, thought that, after twenty years of serial provocations, radical Islam had done precisely that on 9/11.

Apparently not. But such forbearance, even at this late hour in the post-West, is still not limitless.

The more a Palestinian imam promises us our death, the more the Iranian president promises a world without America, the more these al Qaedists, like the most recent keystone clowns at Fort Dix, do their small part in trying to reify such mad rhetoric, and the more the sophisticated apologists assure us that we, not they, are the real threat, the more likely the sofa-sitting, channel-surfing American will some day very soon blow up, rather than be blown up.

And I added this tonight on NRO’s corner:

We know little so far of the terrible carnage at Fort Hood, though the news media have been airing all sorts of explanations and much of their information has already proven erroneous.

Yet I think it is fair to say that the Fort Hood mass murder could be seen in two larger contexts:

1) a disturbing pattern of attacking American soldiers on bases or offices inside the United States (e.g., the 2005 plot to shoot down military aircraft leaving the National Guard base in Newburgh, New York; the 2007 mass murder plot at Fort Dix; the shooting at the Little Rock, Arkansas recruiting station, etc.),

2) what I once in two NRO essays called al Qaedism, or the spontaneous rage of disaffected Muslims, who connect their own failures in some sense to generic radical Islamist sentiments, and act out that anger by running over the innocent (San Francisco or North Carolina), shooting Jews (the LAX or Seattle attacks), or shooting up malls or sniping. These are, of course, different from but in addition to the 24 organized plots that have been broken up since 9/11, four of them this year alone.

In reaction officials and news people often opt for therapeutic exegeses — stress, often of the postraumatic sort, ill-feeling and bias shown Muslims, family problems, or brain-washing by nefarious outside actors — to explain the cold-blooded nature of the murdering…

Far more rarely, do they ever suggest that the Islamist notion abroad that America is to blame for mostly self-induced pathologies in the Islamic world mostly goes unquestioned here at home — and as a result filters down to the lone angry and violent here that there is some sort of cosmic justification that can amplify their own outrage at a sense of personal failure or setback.

If it is shown that the present killer openly in the past expressed sympathies for or tolerance of Islamist violence abroad, one would have expected, in the current climate of fear of being seen as illiberal or judgmental, little repercussions or formal preemptory action to preclude the possibility of future violence.

In other words, the narrative after 9/11 largely remains that Americans have given into illegitimate “fear and mistrust” of Muslims in general, rather than there is a small minority of Muslims who channels generic Islamist fantasies, so that we can assume that either formal terrorist plots or individual acts of murder will more or less occur here every 3-6 months.

At some point, if both these organized plots (see the most recent in Boston) and isolated acts of lone gunmen and homicidal drivers continue, and if the prevailing theme continues to be fears of American intolerance and unfairness to Muslims after 9/11, I think the public will resent the disconnect between what they are told to think and what they believe, on the basis of some evidence.

©2009 Victor Davis Hanson

Dire Straits on November 7, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Journalism is dead.

Geochelone on November 7, 2009 at 12:44 AM

Yoda: No, there is another….

FOX News

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 12:50 AM

We’re watching Fox and the Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad :)

Politically Incorrect

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Kini: Love those shows,hehe!:)

Goodnight Kini!:)

canopfor on November 7, 2009 at 12:51 AM

Aloha canopfor

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 12:56 AM

The simpsons lost me when they rammed a gas tanker into the GOP convention. That was the final straw.

Family guy over all the vicious and hateful insults launched at Republicans. The head guy is a tim robbins type leftist.

Hard Right on November 7, 2009 at 1:41 AM

Palin/Peters 2012!

margategop517 on November 7, 2009 at 2:16 AM

There’s good evidence that therapists can be vicariously traumatised by hearing these terrible stories and develop some of the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.

I just can’t get past this; I’m absolutely furious over it. I simply cannot believe that any rational person is going to buy into the idea that some schmoe sitting in an air conditioned office simply listening to someone else’s trauma can claim they themselves are traumatized. How freaking oversensitive can you get?! Invest in fabric softener, you liberal pantywaists – and if you can’t take the heat, get out of the psychology kitchen.

We pay good money to watch Saw movies in this country, for pity’s sake. Vicarious post traumatic stress disorder is an obscene joke to those of us who have dealt with the real thing.

Laura on November 7, 2009 at 2:31 AM

Palin/Peters Cheney 2012!

margategop517 on November 7, 2009 at 2:16 AM

Kini on November 7, 2009 at 3:01 AM

Laura on November 7, 2009 at 2:31 AM

I’ve worked with people in various capacities in which people have told me things they would rarely tell others. Some have told me about experiences that have caused my skin to crawl, a few were so bad that they gave me nightmares, and a couple of people told me things that so frightened me about them, I’ve never had contact with them again. This is not Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

But this is:

A. The person has been exposed to a traumatic event in which both of the following were present:

Diagnostic criteria for 309.81 Posttraumatic Stress Disorder

(1) the person experienced, witnessed, or was confronted with an event or events that involved actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of self or others

(2) the person’s response involved intense fear, helplessness, or horror. Note: In children, this may be expressed instead by disorganized or agitated behavior

How does a person achieve both of these conditions while “sitting in an air conditioned office,” as you well put it, while listening to someone talk? Or, as you also said, how does one achieve these conditions in a theater or one’s living room while watching a horror film?

One can’t.

While I know this is not true for everyone, of all the people I have personally known with PTSD, they all had direct personal experience of being trapped, unable to escape and being horrifyingly physically and/or sexually abused to the point of being near death, and not just briefly and once, but most often repeatedly over many hours, days, weeks or even months. Such events can cause deep psychological scars that can be difficult to heal.

Why some come through such events and heal rapidly, while others experience severe PTSD for the rest of their lives, I don’t know. But I do know that this story being floated about Hasan is a lie and an incredible injustice to those who have suffered extreme and horrific violence and have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 3:29 AM

This is not Terror, because there is no such thing anymore. It’s a man made disaster, on same moral plane as someone who accidental sets fire to a forest. Problem solved! Its something we need to live with die for.
If Terrorist isn’t PC, then how about Horrorist? It must have been a horror for those solders.
Major Insane getting inside our guys heads? We will never know what was said during sessions with our Solders coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan. The Horror stores of dead women and children. Dealing with Solders who feel guilty of killing; maybe he fantasized about beheading them.
His hatred of fellow solders is evident. His function seems to include getting inside the heads of why Muslims act out in terror. Seems he got too much inside the head of a terrorist and became one.

Ed Laskie on November 7, 2009 at 4:14 AM

He was renting to the Shoe Bomber? There’s your connection to terrorism right there, for crying out loud!

misterpeasea on November 7, 2009 at 4:14 AM

All sorts of people have horrific experiences. I mean come on, the entire planet survived two world wars in the space of a half century not to mention a pandemic. And somehow we are supposed to believe that a psychiatrist goes loopy and kills a bunch of people because he heard bad things?

My Dad was at Nagasaki within days of the bomb dropping. He was not yet 20 years old. I would be willing to bet money that he was a lot more traumatized than Hasan and somehow he did not have the impulse to kill his fellow servicemen.

Terrye on November 7, 2009 at 5:37 AM

I just can’t get past this; I’m absolutely furious over it. I simply cannot believe that any rational person is going to buy into the idea that some schmoe sitting in an air conditioned office simply listening to someone else’s trauma can claim they themselves are traumatized. How freaking oversensitive can you get?! Invest in fabric softener, you liberal pantywaists – and if you can’t take the heat, get out of the psychology kitchen.

We pay good money to watch Saw movies in this country, for pity’s sake. Vicarious post traumatic stress disorder is an obscene joke to those of us who have dealt with the real thing.

Laura on November 7, 2009 at 2:31 AM

Not only that, imagine the people who council the dying, or for that matter they have to watch those people die themselves. The health care agency I work for just got a new client, a 13 year old boy with terminal cancer. The whole family is suffering stress to say the least. They are all seeing things they will never forget. That is life.

Terrye on November 7, 2009 at 5:44 AM

So let’s shout-out this: muslims/turds…one and the same!

jgdp on November 6, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Not so. One is essential to life.

OldEnglish on November 7, 2009 at 6:55 AM

One of the things O’Reilly said about the MSM biased “reporting” of this incident also got to me. How many Americans are ever going to find out about the facts of this case?

I’m quite willing to be restrained in my judgments until I get all the evidence. But so many of the “reporters” in the MSM ahve not restrained their judgment. They are offering up excuse after excuse for the perpetrator, while doing little reporting on the real victims and heroes in this case.

Similarly, President Obama’s behavior toward this incident does not seem geared to avoid leaping to wrong conclusions, but rather toward minimizing the importance of these events. And in so doing, he also is diminishing the value of the real victims and heroes in this case.

This is not all about Hasan. It’s also about real Americans who have lost their lives, their partners, their parents, their health due to the premeditated actions of a mass murderer. Why is our president and so many in the MSM making that judgment?

Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Well said.

nyx on November 7, 2009 at 7:34 AM

The Colonel is on target, as usual. By the way, his novel THE WAR AFTER ARMAGEDDON is excellent. Read it.

RandyChandler on November 7, 2009 at 7:44 AM

Kudos to Lt. Col.Ralph Peters, he is right on the money.

djn on November 7, 2009 at 7:47 AM

Terrye on November 7, 2009 at 5:44 AM

I have never put much stock in the whole post traumatic stress disorder thing either. Spent years in fire and EMS and we were always warned about it. The only folks that I ever knew that claimed it were people of pretty weak character anyway. Just another one of the lefts excuses for bad behavior IMHO.

conservnut on November 7, 2009 at 7:50 AM

Dude. His landlord’s name was Jose Padilla? What a creepy coincidence.

Tanya on November 7, 2009 at 7:57 AM

Vicarious trauma, Dr. Jon Bisson

They may have distressing thoughts about the trauma they have been exposed to; although they have not been through the original traumatic event themselves they are suffering nevertheless. That’s a well-recognised phenomenon.

Awe. Boohoohoo. “Distressing thoughts” get a shrink down? Doctor, heal thyself. Rx ‘n pop the pill that you prescribe to your patients to submerge/erase unpleasant memories/thoughts.

Are shrinks realizing that when they quack people see through them?

maverick muse on November 7, 2009 at 8:02 AM

It is time to realize that PC is code for “progressive conscience”, that means it’s ok for the left to do anything but it’s wrong for the right to think. End PC now, expose it to the light of truth.

tim c on November 7, 2009 at 8:02 AM

conservnut on November 7, 2009 at 7:50 AM

PTSD is real, however, it is inappropriately “diagnosed” by many lousy psychiatrists, psychologists, and medical doctors who don’t know what their talking about (e.g., diagnosing it in people who have not experienced trauma). My husband is a military psychologist with expertise in trauma, and PTSD is entirely avoidable if correct trauma debriefing is done. Unfortunately, often those involved in traumatic events, and those who are supposed to help them, handle the the problem incorrectly; however, despite this, PTSD is curable with proper treatment.

DrMagnolias on November 7, 2009 at 8:06 AM

Lt. Col. Ralph Peters, AMEN!

Eliminate PC!

maverick muse on November 7, 2009 at 8:08 AM

He did a pretty good job of sorting out the “terrorist” label issue to me. Of course, the guy was a loon, who then obsessed and then acted.

Having never been in the military, I don’t know if the PC stuff is a legitimate criticism. I tend to think they were watching him but couldn’t get past the idea that he was educated and a doctor and couldn’t be that big of a threat. I did absolutely agree, however, that if he was counselled for arguing with patients about the war, that should have been the end of his military career.

That’s not about PC stuff, however. That’s about allowing incompetence to thrive.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 8:09 AM

ABC last night had a special on the Ft Hood incident. There were constant referals to Hasan having “snapped.” The liberal media clearly demonstrates that it is also a deadly mortal enemy and must be addressed as the brave police female Sgt addressed the evil that “snapped” in front of her. Unfortunately the media is snapping all the time and everywhere.

wepeople on November 7, 2009 at 8:13 AM

There were constant referals to Hasan having “snapped.”

All mass murderers “snap.” There is a trigger of some sort in all cases.

That doesn’t negate the obsession that preceded it, which this guy clearly was cultivating.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Hasan mentally tortured our wounded soldiers, tormenting them with Islamic messages to “heal” them.

If PC is to be legally banned from the USA, the victims of PC must ban together and sue the ACLU and even Congress for legislating PC. Take it to your Congressmen and Senators. Take it to the Supreme Court. Tell the usurper in the Oval Office.

Chris Matthews denied that religion had anything to do with Hasan’s massacre at Ft. Hood.

ALLAHU AKBAR
PC IS DEATH

maverick muse on November 7, 2009 at 8:15 AM

I thought O’Reilly’s issue about how terrorism requires lengthy planning was nearly funny. Yes, if the plan requires a conspiracy. No, if it’s just a matter of sneaking in guns.

What an odd way to define it.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Did anyone else hear the former Ft. Hood commander’s interview with Michael Savage last night? [The Col. is running for Congress from FLA.]

Blame PC for the political and legal pressure asserted upon our culture, our intelligence and judicial departments, and specifically upon our military to refuse to treat Muslims as equals being responsible for their own actions under the rule of law; instead stroking Muslims as “special” being granted lenience at all times, for Muslim wrongs to be purposely overlooked.

And as Obama is not “jumping” to any conclusions, 1. “don’t blame me.” 2. state of denial, refusing to reach cognitive analysis, here’s the obvious:
WE DO KNOW that Islamic Jihadists have infiltrated our military.
WE DON’T KNOW if Hasan acted alone, or if he belongs to a cell.

At American Thinker, Andie Brownlow makes clear how organization has percolated down to permeate all, each individual being his own cell.

From the medical officer at the Silver Spring Maryland Muslim mosque, “Everybody knows this is not a place for fanatics,” said Qadri [making sure to mention Hasan's "evident" mental disorder]. “We don’t encourage that sort of thing.” [Mosques have medical officers?]

If they “don’t encourage”, they don’t discourage, either. Qadri made a point of stating that Hasan expressed no views one way or the other at the mosque. That’s a well scripted denial, disseminated to all mosques, memorized for smooth delivery into the PC ear.

As if anyone believes that Hasan never discussed anything except getting married at his mosque. Yet he preached to convert peers and patients to follow him into the Muslim faith, and to rescind allegiance to America. Can you imagine one of our soldiers suffering from post traumatic stress, being brainwashed by his shrink to accept the Muslim faith in order to heal?

Hasan did not “snap”, he blasted. He not only meant to go out with a bang to his false prophet’s hotel paradise, but absolutely meant to provide the example for other “faithful Muslims” in the military to follow. Parasitically infiltrate and take out as many infidel Americans as possible within the US Military. His parents were against his enlistment; he joined for the education and training he received, and for the opportunity to become a jihadist star.

NO PC

If you want the American Constitution to survive, then we are all equal under the law; e pluribus unum. No one is more special than another under our Constitutional rule of law. Only Constitutional saboteurs pontificate, officiate, legislate, prosecute, adjudicate and execute prejudicial bias preferential to special interests.

From prejudice against to prejudice for, two wrongs don’t make a right. Neither do three or four. PC is destruction. We lose what is good to the degree that PC is legally assimiliated.

maverick muse on November 7, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Hasan mentally tortured our wounded soldiers, tormenting them with Islamic messages to “heal” them.

maverick muse on November 7, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Hear Hear. He abused his power as a psychiatrist by foisting propoganda on wounded veterans. And He is the victim according to our brain dead media.

nyx on November 7, 2009 at 8:24 AM

FWIW, Ralph Peters is an absolutely wonderful writer. I picked up his “Looking for Trouble” last year, instantly forgot why I had, and didn’t expect much from it — it turned out to be one of the finest memoirs I’ve read. He’s an outstanding literary craftsman whom I highly recommend.

Chuckles3 on November 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM

The Col. Was ON FIRE! RIGHT as RIGHT can be!

Lisa on November 7, 2009 at 8:48 AM

His parents were against his enlistment; he joined for the education and training he received, and for the opportunity to become a jihadist star.

I haven’t seen any evidence of that, actually. There is an outstanding article, btw, but it’s on Huffington. If you can stomach that, I recommend it. It’s from another Muslim who was in the army and knew him.

What was fascinating was that his Muslim friends saw this coming, too. He joined a mosque that is known for taking very hard-line views. They tried to discuss things with him, and he became increasingly angry at any suggestion that he was misinterpreting the Koran.

I suppose there’s a bit of truth, too, that he was completely unsuited for his profession, couldn’t handle listening to people and that was a contributing factor.

I would agree with you that he was a ticking timebomb all along.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 8:51 AM

One thing for sure. Fight on a battlefield for your cause, killing the unarmed is the cowards way.

Jeff from WI on November 7, 2009 at 9:13 AM

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 8:51 AM

On the Chris Matthews thread you argued that Hassan was nothing but a murderer and that this incident was not about religion. You said the left denies the religous aspect because they want to be able to say Obama kept them safe and the right is using Hassan’s religion to argue the opposite about Obama.

I think it is quite clear that this is all about Hassan being a committed muslim and that this preventable tragedy occurred because of political correctness that has gotten way out of control in this country. As I said in another thread, it is honorable to not want to offend, but not at the expense of the truth.

KickandSwimMom on November 7, 2009 at 9:17 AM

On the Chris Matthews thread you argued that Hassan was nothing but a murderer and that this incident was not about religion.

Labeling someone a mass murderer is not exactly whitewashing this guy’s actions.

It obviously has to do with religion. I don’t think there’s any doubt that there is a version of Islam that promotes violence, and he joined that group.

The rest is chicken/egg arguments, and it’s irrelevant to me.

As for taking these warning signs more seriously in the military? I agree with most here that would seem to be obvious after this event.

The people in the military deserve no less than that.

As for some here who argue that the entire religion is dangerous, that’s going against our own principles of freedom of religion in this country and is, definitely, overreaction.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM

One thing for sure. Fight on a battlefield for your cause, killing the unarmed is the cowards way.

Jeff from WI on November 7, 2009 at 9:13 AM

No kidding. It’s the final act of a contemptible life.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 9:30 AM

As for some here who argue that the entire religion is dangerous, that’s going against our own principles of freedom of religion in this country and is, definitely, overreaction.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM

In general I agree with you here. However, it is also true that we are allowing schools in this country that teach Islamic fundamentalism. I would say that is very dangerous and although it goes against “our principles of freedom of religion” they should not be allowed here.

KickandSwimMom on November 7, 2009 at 9:34 AM

So along with reading terrorists their rights, not shooting back unless there is a clear line of site, making sure each one gets a trial in the USA, and having to get their beds to face the correct direction, we now need to hear the tear jerking stories of why these animals just killed innocent people?

I guess putting an end to all of this is not in the interest of the elite?

Oh yeah, and they are all Muslims.

Hening on November 7, 2009 at 9:54 AM

As for some here who argue that the entire religion is dangerous, that’s going against our own principles of freedom of religion in this country and is, definitely, overreaction.

That is going against our principles. Unfortunately, while our principles are noble, noble ideals do not always address reality. Islam, by its virtue, creates a subset of believers who become highly political and very angry, and prone to violence, whether it be against their own children, or against the larger society. Even when such a member of this subset was discovered, the military did nothing about him for to do so would be to violate our noble ideals. It would behoove even the military to think that a muslim, with no prior criminal record, was a threat by virtue of his strong religious convictions. Ironic as it is, for it is the military that is charged with protecting us.

Thus, our noble ideals of non-discrimination, diversity, and respect for religion are not ideals suitable for the world we find ourselves in.

This is why George Bush’s excuse for going into Iraq was sophistry. We have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here, he said. Well, the reality is that they are already here. And not only that, but they are in our military. And they can choose to massacre us whenever they wish and there is nothing our military can, nor would, do even if they could do something about it. The threat to America is not organized terrorists in far off exotic locals. The threat to America is islam itself and none of the liberal, or liberal-conservative, jingoism will address that reality. Hundeds of billions of dollars have been spent in Iraq, ostensibly to keep America safe from terrorists, yet the terrorists who are ready to kill us on our homeland, are already here, and what’s worse, our own establishments won’t touch them because it is not politically correct because to do so would violate our cherish ideals. How many billions of dollars would it have taken to fire Hasan? The military has lawyers who work cheap.

Exit question: How many US airline pilots are muslims with strong political feelings? How many airliners that fly overhead each day are piloted by someone like Hasan? Out of the thousands of airliners that fly across America each day, probably dozens have Hasans at the controls. And the most disturbing question: If the airline knew that such a pilot had strong islamic politics, as the military knew of Hasan, would they fire him? We all know they wouldn’t. Our most cherish ideals don’t allow for such a preemptive action.

keep the change on November 7, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Let’s pause to reflect and to pray for those men, women, and families impacted by the attack at Fort Hood.

Even though this has hit us very hard here in Central Texas, the pain will reverberate throughout the US.

Proud Texan on November 7, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Just a point of clarification:

Laura on November 7, 2009 at 2:31 AM

NOT ME! Not even close. I would NEVER disparage LOX. EVAH!

EVAH!

Laura in Maryland on November 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Thus, our noble ideals of non-discrimination, diversity, and respect for religion are not ideals suitable for the world we find ourselves in.

Then, frankly. What does it matter? You’re advocating a completely radical shift.

There would be no founding principles to defend in that case.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 11:15 AM

They have gone through great amounts of vicarious combat stress and then they have the every day chores and confrontations each of us has.

cozmo on November 6, 2009 at 10:32 PM

I would contend that Predator pilots’ battle experience isn’t vicarious at all, as they are living and experiencing the battle in real time. Their battle experiences are no more vicarious than if they were a fighter or bomber pilot sitting in the plane itself.

Any PTSD they might suffer is anything but second hand.

Second-hand PTSD would seem to be a crock, as it would totally affect every fan of horror/war/vivisectionist/hyper-violent/etc films, would it not?

Wouldn’t the films be much more likely to cause the syndrome because the viewer is immersed in an experience explicitly designed and crafted to be as emotionally visceral as possible? A psychiatrist sits and listens to the verbal stories of their patients without the special effects, music, shot placement and composition, etc.

It’s an politically correct excuse to avoid facing the truth that fundamentalist islam, like shintoism, is a death cult and having to wrestle with exactly what to do about that.

techno_barbarian on November 7, 2009 at 11:18 AM

As for some here who argue that the entire religion is dangerous, that’s going against our own principles of freedom of religion in this country and is, definitely, overreaction.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Islam is not a religion. It is a political ideology with an attendant mythology. We treat islam no differently than we treat other dangerous political ideologies that are oriented in opposition to America and our Constitution and have the eradication of our way of life as a deep and important part of their structure.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Second hand PTSD is such a crock that it boggles the mind. I have PTSD. The idea that telling somebody of my experience would traumatize them is laughable, on its face.

Star20 on November 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Islam is not a religion. It is a political ideology with an attendant mythology. We treat islam no differently than we treat other dangerous political ideologies that are oriented in opposition to America and our Constitution and have the eradication of our way of life as a deep and important part of their structure.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM

That’s a very radical position to adopt, too.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM

What was fascinating was that his Muslim friends saw this coming, too. He joined a mosque that is known for taking very hard-line views. They tried to discuss things with him, and he became increasingly angry at any suggestion that he was misinterpreting the Koran.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 8:51 AM

See? That’s the tragic irony. Hasan wasn’t misinterpreting the koran. Islam is not moderate and cannot ever be so. There will never be a reformation of islam. I honestly wish it were possible, but it simply is not. Read the koran and the hadiths for yourself. Especially the suras.

There are Muslims that do not follow the letter of their religion, just as there are members of other religions who do not completely adhere to the fundamental tenants of their religions and they are not violent. They are in denial about what islam really is. But muslims who actually do what their religion commands and encourages them to do, embrace jihad and the hate and violence it commands.

That’s the problem. At its core islam is an ideology of intolerance and hate, the exhortation and encouragement to commit violence, and the eternal battle of dar al-islam (world of islam) against dar al-harb (that would be everybody except islam, only sometimes it includes other sects of islam too).

The koran, when taken literally as jihadists do, is the ultimate gangster’s handbook, right down to the encouraging of lying when at a disadvantageous position until you’re strong enough to once again attack your adversary. It is incompatible with anything that is not islam. Its goal is to totally eradicate everything that is not islam. It is a religion of total submission, not a religion of peace.

That’s not my opinion. Listen to the translations on MEMRI of what muslim imam’s preach and say, of what devout muslims actually say. They say there is no such thing as moderate islam. They mean what they say.

techno_barbarian on November 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM

That’s a very radical position to adopt, too.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM

No, it isn’t. It’s absolutely true. Only those who don’t understand islam don’t understand this. Ataturk, who was a devout muslim who loved islam, understood that islam was a political ideology above all, all too well, which is why Turkey was structured with the secular military as the supreme power, in order to keep islam at bay in its constant and relentless attempt to grab the power of state.

Islam was nothing but the formalization of desert arab culture, built as the foundation for the rule of a growing land empire. Mohammed wanted to steal some religious legitimacy, so he plagiarized parts of the Old and New Testament (which he took the license to pervert and change to be more in line with arab cultural sensitivities) then calling Jews and Christians liars because Mo’s stories were in contradiction to the ones he stole. But, aside from that theft of an meta-physics from others that was only to serve and establish the state rule as “divine”, islam is all about state power and the constant accumulation of it. That is what islam has always been and what it claims for itself in its canonical documents.

People accept the idea that islam is a religion only because America never really had to deal with islam (other than having to go to war with the savages from the very beginning of our nation) and there was no cost to letting islam claim the mantle of a religion. But, these same people also call islam “an Abrahamic religion” when the idea that Mohammed could trace his lineage back thousands of years to the Biblical line is absurd in the extreme. Sh!t, Egyptians today can’t even get the history of the Yom Kippur war straight, and that was less than 40 years ago, but Mohammed was supposed to be able to claim lineage to Abraham? That is a joke that anyone with a brain would laugh at.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Laura in Maryland on November 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I was agreeing with the other Laura.

And it just hit me, what are people who have real PTSD being told by this sham PTSD excuse?

Don’t seek help for your PTSD, because if you tell a therapist about your traumas, they’ll go kill people.

What a great message to send out to traumatized veterans and crime victims. Thanks, MSM!

Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 12:22 PM

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM

I would add a little hypothetical:

By the same reasoning that people accept islam as an Abrahamic religion, if some guy in India, today, decided to create a political theory that portrayed George Washington as a divine prophet and Washington D.C. as a holy site, that “religion” would have to be accepted and those followers would have to be allowed access to Washington D.C. as it is their main holy site. Of course, no one would accept that, as ridiculous as it clearly is, even though we might be flattered that someone chose to raise Washington – the man and city – to a level of meta-physical importance. If this hypothetical Indian guy went further to call Americans “liars” and “pigs” for ‘intentionally distorting history’ and desecrating the perverted interpretation that this guy created for Washington, and claimed Washington D.C. as belonging to him and his followers, then this would go well beyond the merely ridiculous to an act of war against our nation. All who followed this new ideology would be at war with our nation, and no one in their right mind would call this a religion.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Second hand PTSD is such a crock that it boggles the mind. I have PTSD. The idea that telling somebody of my experience would traumatize them is laughable, on its face.

Star20 on November 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Ditto. Though mine is many years in the past and I’m fine now, it really makes me mad to have people trivialize it – akin to feminazis saying ludicrous things like “All men are rapists.” That’s a slap in the face to rape victims, and the whole secondary PTSD concept is a slap in the face to people who have the real thing.

Laura on November 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM

And it just hit me, what are people who have real PTSD being told by this sham PTSD excuse?

Don’t seek help for your PTSD, because if you tell a therapist about your traumas, they’ll go kill people.

Heh. Good point.

Laura on November 7, 2009 at 12:27 PM

All who followed this new ideology would be at war with our nation, and no one in their right mind would call this a religion.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM

You surely aren’t comparing Islam to your example, are you?

I guess you are.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:45 PM

You surely aren’t comparing Islam to your example, are you?

I guess you are.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 12:45 PM

If you don’t like the comaprison, then be explicit about why you think it inappropriate. You will be unable, of course, to find any qualitative problems, because that is exactly how islam grew. There is not even any mention of Jerusalem in the koran, only a moronic story of Mohammed being whisked away on a winged horse to “the far mosque” to ascend to heaven on a beam of light (through the rock that the Dome of the Rock is built on, is the how the story developed later – rocks are big in islam; they love praying to rocks as one would expect from desert peoples) whereupon Mo and allah met to discuss how many times a day muslims would have to kiss the ground and demonstrate their meaningless stature in the face of the great Oz … er, allah. Allah initially demanded 35 times a day, but Mo bargained him down to five.

But, explicitly tell me how my hypothetical Indian and his political ideology with Washington as a divine prophet is any different from islam, other than my Indian friend having even more of a basis for argument than islam.

Also, you don’t seem to have addressed my point about Turkey and the more general fact that islam seeks the power of state everywhere it is found – which, by itself, makes it more of a political ideology than anything.

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 12:57 PM

If you don’t like the comaprison, then be explicit about why you think it inappropriate.

Islam is one of the world’s largest and oldest religions.

Just that simple.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Do you not understand what the word, “explicit” means? Is that the problem?

And, as I have been trying to explain to you, islam is not a religion. It is a political ideology with an attendant mythology. But, you can keep screaming, “No!!!” without any rational defense. If you have convinced yourself, I guess that’s all that matters … to you. Turkey and its structure say that you are wrong. The history of every nation that has been afflicted with muslim populations says that you are wrong. But, don’t bother trying to defend your view. Just keep screaming, “No!!!!” and answering questions with, “Just because.”

progressoverpeace on November 7, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Laura on November 7, 2009 at 2:31 AM

My apologies to “the other Laura”. I’m very protective of my favorite elephant, and I jumped to conclusions while jumping to his defense.

Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Amen.

Laura in Maryland on November 7, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Laura in Maryland on November 7, 2009 at 2:08 PM

No worries. :-)

Laura on November 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Why is our president and so many in the MSM making that judgment?

Loxodonta on November 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Because they can’t have muslim “terror” happening under Obama’s watch. For a lot of reasons.

Think of all what you’re seeing as 9/11 Truth without the white planes and dopey scientific theory.

LibTired on November 7, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Islam is one of the world’s largest and oldest religions.

Just that simple.

AnninCA on November 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM

It is the youngest main stream religion – a johnny come lately.

OldEnglish on November 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Ted Kennedy was one of America’s largest and oldest Senators but that didn’t entitle him to respect.

Just sayin’.

Laura on November 7, 2009 at 6:58 PM

O’Reilly hides under his desk when a topic comes up that would require him to unequivocally condemn Islamist or condemn Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. The guy is total phoney and coward.

georgealbert on November 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM

The fact is that there are millions of Islamist terrorist that want nothing more than to murder and/or sujugate non-muslims or even muslims that don’t meet their Jihadist standards. Therefore any discussion of the theology of Islam is pretty much irrelevant; We have millions of folks that say they are muslims and that they want to, a indeed there, killing and murdering at will

georgealbert on November 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM

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