Pelosi wants a Saturday vote for her ObamaCare bill

posted at 10:12 am on November 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

How long would it take you to read a 1990-page book?  If it was an extended version of Stephen King’s The Stand, perhaps most of us could get it done in a couple of weeks, if we turned off the TV and ignored our families.  It would be about the same as reading most of the last three Harry Potter novels in one stretch, to give a sense of proportion.

Now imagine that the 1990 pages consists of legalese, tax hikes, government mandates on states and health-care insurers and providers.  Do you think you could get that read with any level of comprehension necessary to cast an educated vote in just eight days?

House Democratic leaders are pushing for a Saturday vote on their sweeping health-care bill, but they are struggling to win over shaky rank-and-file members who could hold up its passage.

Democrats tacked new provisions onto the legislation late Tuesday, clearing one of the final hurdles for bringing the bill to the floor. One of the additions would raise $24 billion for the bill by eliminating a biofuels tax break for pulp and paper companies. Another would place tighter restrictions on insurance companies to prevent them from increasing consumers’ premiums without cause.

But the changes didn’t resolve sharp differences among Democrats over how the bill handles funding for abortion, with some saying they won’t support the legislation until it addresses their concerns. Republican victories in two gubernatorial elections Tuesday night are also making some wavering members uneasy about voting for a $1.055 trillion bill.

As of Wednesday, House leaders didn’t appear to have secured the 218 votes they need to pass the bill. They were moving to quickly swear in two Democrats elected Tuesday, which would give the party 258 seats in the House and allow leaders to lose as many as 40 Democratic votes without losing their majority. No Republicans are expected to vote for the bill.

The big question for Pelosi will be the Blue Dog Democrats.  Perhaps she thinks that pushing through a quick vote on her just-released version of ObamaCare will distract the moderates from learning the lesson of the elections this week.  However, the rush is more likely to create greater skepticism, especially since Pelosi keeps changing the bill.  How many of them want to suddenly back big spending and massive government control after watching Barack Obama lose New Jersey by five points — a state he won just a year ago by 15?

Pelosi, of course, sees the momentum slipping away — and it has because Democrats have been forced to slow down.  Pelosi wanted to jam this down the House’s throat in July, but only a national outcry stopped the runaway statist train long enough for people to understand the stakes.  She’s trying it again, but now Blue Dogs understand the stakes a little better.

We need another national outcry.  We’ll be doing a Melt the Phones segment today on TEMS at 3 pm ET, where viewers call their Congressional offices on the air to tell their Representatives to oppose ObamaCare.  Be sure to bring your Representative’s office number to the show, and we’ll make sure your voices are heard.

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uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM

That woman is pure evil.

Punditpawn on November 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM

The fact that anyone has to rush ANYTHING through a process designed on purpose to be slow should send warning flags flying everywhere……well, except for the sheeple.

search4truth on November 5, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Go for it, sweetie. See how that works out for ya’.

jennifernaz on November 5, 2009 at 10:16 AM

This from the same lunatic woman who was running around the landscape on Wednesday insisting that her party had won the elections on Tuesday!

Anyone else out there now sick and tired of Pelosi and her antics?

pilamaye on November 5, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Well, here’s hoping Saturday morning cartoons keep most Dems at home.

javamartini on November 5, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Obama to Pelosi and Reid: We got to shove this through quickly like the Stimulus. The Prolies are beginning to figure out what is going on!

kingsjester on November 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Good. Let’s make those bastids work on a Saturday, and STILL not get the thing passed.

UltimateBob on November 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Question. If she tries to get this rammed through on Saturday and it’s voted down, does that mean Obamacare is dead?

Doughboy on November 5, 2009 at 10:18 AM

“We have the votes”…said back in July I believe.

SouthernGent on November 5, 2009 at 10:19 AM

What she is hoping for is that most members will be watching their fav college team on their iPhone(assuming it has that app;)) and inadvertantly vote “Yes.” I would be willing to be the “present” button has been disabled or even cross-wired.lol

TQM38a on November 5, 2009 at 10:19 AM

They were moving to quickly swear in two Democrats elected Tuesday, which would give the party 258 seats in the House and allow leaders to lose as many as 40 Democratic votes without losing their majority.

Bill Owens is a conservative Democrat elected in a right-leaning district that couldn’t decide which (officially speaking) righty to give their votes to rather than the Democrat. He’s going to support PelosiCare?

amerpundit on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM

I will let out the biggest scream in the world if this goes down.

I’ll dance in the streets – I’ll kiss a random stranger :)

gophergirl on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Wonder what the Friday afternoon news dump will bring?

Rahm is going to have to create another crisis to divert attention from this travesty.

cntrlfrk on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM

How many of them want to suddenly back big spending and massive government control after watching Barack Obama lose New Jersey by five points — a state he won just a year ago by 15?

I fear that the majority of dems believe their own spin about the election results…. i fear they will vote aye..

max1 on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

I didn’t realize how sick I was of her until Dennis Miller said last night that she is the most powerful woman in the world.

What a disgrace. but indicative of the Age of Obama.

ORconservative on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

It will be interesting to see the effect of Michele Bachmann’s protest event this afternoon.

I’m hearing thousands will be in attendance and will be flooding the congressional offices.

Good luck to all who could attend, and thanks for being there.

TXUS on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

The CBO has scored the GOP’s healthcare bill:

No new taxes
Lower federal deficet
Lower premiums

Suck on that Nancy.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

The CBO has scored the GOP’s healthcare bill:

No new taxes
Lower federal deficet
Lower premiums

Suck on that Nancy.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Heh

gophergirl on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 AM

ObamaCare will never be dead while the man child is still in office.

Why not on Saturday when most of the Press isn’t watching? Besides it’s a good time to threaten members that you’ll spoil their whole weekend if they don’t jump on the speeding Pelosi train. Let’s just hope that train crashes before it reaches the station.

katablog.com on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 AM

I’ll dance in the streets – I’ll kiss a random stranger :)

gophergirl

Where do you live? I might be randomly walking about.

honsy on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 AM

I didn’t realize how sick I was of her until Dennis Miller said last night that she is the most powerful woman in the world.

ORconservative on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Is Miller married? I’m pretty sure Michelle Obama is the most powerful woman in the world. Pelosi might have the most powerful title, but the First Lady typically has the realistic role as most powerful.

amerpundit on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

They barely work on weekdays and she wants them to work on a Saturday?!
LOL

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

This wench is the most evil person in the world.

OmahaConservative on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Quick now! Let’s leave a legacy of socialized medicine before we’re all voted out of office.

MaiDee on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

I didn’t realize how sick I was of her until Dennis Miller said last night that she is the most powerful woman in the world.

ORconservative on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Is Miller married? I’m pretty sure Michelle Obama is the most powerful woman in the world. Pelosi might have the most powerful title, but the First Lady typically has the realistic role as most powerful.

amerpundit on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

OPRAH is the most powerful woman in the world.

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

It’s almost a bittersweet proposition.

Watch them ram it through…………..and watch a Dem bloodbath across the country in a year with glee.

Watch them send in down in flames………and revel in Pelosi humiliation.

Damn.

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

The Worst Speaker of the House in American History (it’s not even up for debate), strikes again.

What did the American people do to deserve this ignorant, corrupt and incompetent dingbat in charge of important legislation that will affect our lives?

How the hell did this happen?

It’s appalling that we’ve reached this point.

Anyone who cast a single vote for this jackass-ette, needs to hang their heads in shame today. She’s a natural disaster on wheels.

NoDonkey on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

The CBO has scored the GOP’s healthcare bill:

No new taxes
Lower federal deficet
Lower premiums

Suck on that Nancy.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

It doesn’t have a prayer of ever passing, but this provides the GOP with ammunition in the midterms(and 2012 for that matter). When the Dems and media(I know, I’m being redundant) inevitably revert to the “Party of ‘No’” smear, they can throw this right back in their faces.

Doughboy on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Take your vote Nancy.

Kiss your speakership goodbye.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Where do you live? I might be randomly walking about.

honsy on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Downtown Minneapolis. I’ll be looking for you ;)

gophergirl on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Is Miller married? I’m pretty sure Michelle Obama is the most powerful woman in the world. Pelosi might have the most powerful title, but the First Lady typically has the realistic role as most powerful.

amerpundit on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Pelosi actually has real power. Michelle…not so much.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

It doesn’t have a prayer of ever passing, but this provides the GOP with ammunition in the midterms(and 2012 for that matter). When the Dems and media(I know, I’m being redundant) inevitably revert to the “Party of ‘No’” smear, they can throw this right back in their faces.

Doughboy on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Dead on analysis.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 AM

I have to give one credit to Nancy. She’s definitely consistent. :)

AnninCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 AM

I will let out the biggest scream in the world if this goes down.
I’ll dance in the streets – I’ll kiss a random stranger :)

gophergirl on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM

XOXO

TXUS on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Another would place tighter restrictions on insurance companies to prevent them from increasing consumers’ premiums without cause.

these people have no clue how the system works. Every time there is a change in rates, they have to be approved in each state by the elected department of insurance. They can’t charge whatever they want to charge.

I’m going to laugh my a$$ off when she brings this to the floor and loses epically. If this vote fails, there will be no health care legislation. PLEASE bring it up for a vote. If you pass it, I look forward to hearing you explain away 500B in cuts to Medicare.

ThackerAgency on November 5, 2009 at 10:28 AM

The CBO has scored the GOP’s healthcare bill:

No new taxes
Lower federal deficet
Lower premiums

Suck on that Nancy.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

–The GOP bill also does nothing with respect to pre-existing conditions. You could be insured with your employer for thirty years, get laid off and be unable to get individual insurance after COBRA ends.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM

What time does the Washington Event start today? I wish I was up there to look them in their beady little eyes and tell them: “You work for us. We don’t work for you.”

kingsjester on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM

The concepts encompassed in this bill have been argued about for years. The specifics have been floated for months. Conservatives voting against it are no more likely to have read it that Democrats voting for it. And, at this moment, 10,000 wonks, activists and staffers are going over every sub-paragraph and semicolon with a magnifying glass and a fine-tooth comb. Requests fro delays are transparent attempts to kill the bill.

Time vote. The sooner the better.

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM

This process must be maddening to Congressional staff members. After all, they’re the ones really tasked with reading the bill, processing what it means to the best extent they can, and briefing their Congressman. To have 5 gargantuan bills circulating, being changed at a moment’s notice, with a rush to get a vote on the bill–good night.

And if the staff can’t comprehend it, there is little to no chance that the Congressman will.

Revenant on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM

can we find leaders who come up with solutions that don’t involve spending our money? Seriously, there have to be solutions that don’t cost anything and save money.

ThackerAgency on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Did anybody read on Drudge this morning that they are betting on billions of dollars in fines from people who refuse to pay for this.

Something is terribly wrong when you are counting on a revenue stream from fines from people who refuse to buy what you are selling.

She’s evil and dangerous.

gophergirl on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 AM

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

It won’t even see the floor.

PappaMac on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Hi spoint was well taken. Pelosi is an empty headed shell with a hell of alot of power.

MO is on Iron chef for goodness sake. Impossibly overplayed.

ORconservative on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Is Miller married? I’m pretty sure Michelle Obama is the most powerful woman shemale in the world. Pelosi might have the most powerful title, but the First Lady typically has the realistic role as most powerful.

amerpundit on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Exactly, but I fixed the typo for you.

inevitable on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Question. If she tries to get this rammed through on Saturday and it’s voted down, does that mean Obamacare is dead?

Doughboy on November 5, 2009 at 10:18 AM

No.

If they do actually vote on it, it’s because the have the votes. Otherwise, they’ll keep working on it and try again next year.

Asher on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 AM

For what it’s worth, I heard it’s 2,032 pages now.

Daggett on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Another would place tighter restrictions on insurance companies to prevent them from increasing consumers’ premiums without cause.

1) What gives govt the right to tell someone what they can charge for their product?
2) Anyone want to bet that the govt will decide that no “cause” is sufficient to justify raising prices?

MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Pelosi supposedly has the votes, at least to get this out of the House.

Where it goes from there is the real question.

AnninCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Democrats healthcare bill — deny granny medicine, she dies, save money, give money saved to Democrat community organizers, get elected for life, like Hugo did.

Tell me one thing that is good about government rationed healthcare, just one.

tarpon on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

She’s out of gas.

HondaV65 on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Take your vote Nancy.
Kiss your speakership goodbye.
fogw on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Ah from your fingertips to God’s ears!

katablog.com on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

This conniving liar is a menace and threat to EVERYTHING American.

marklmail on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Pelosi supposedly has the votes, at least to get this out of the House.

Where it goes from there is the real question.

AnninCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Maybe she did on Monday but I doubt she has them now.

gophergirl on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

One of the additions would raise $24 billion for the bill by eliminating a biofuels tax break for pulp and paper companies

.

In which universe does this apply to health care? No wonder it is a bill the size of Texas!

me_a_name on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

You hearts in the right place, but the only message politicians understand is the ballot box, phone calls won’t make a difference.

We should be donating and piling our money together, letting it earn interest so that it can be used to get rid of these crooks.

Trent1289 on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Tell me one thing that is good about government rationed healthcare, just one.

tarpon on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

I could only do that if Reid and Pelosi were both on it. Maybe we could pull their plugs early.

katablog.com on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Another would place tighter restrictions on insurance companies to prevent them from increasing consumers’ premiums without cause.
1) What gives govt the right to tell someone what they can charge for their product?
2) Anyone want to bet that the govt will decide that no “cause” is sufficient to justify raising prices?

MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

–State insurance regulators already do this.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

I’ll donate to the campaign of anyone running for Congress next year, who vows to establish a rule requiring a reading time calculation be applied to the minimum time needed before a bill can be voted on. Let’s say 50 pages a day. Maybe 100.

MadisonConservative on November 5, 2009 at 10:34 AM

My Rep in IL Debbie Hellverson sent an e-mail in the last 24 hours saying she is going to vote yes. Time to get serious about her defeat in 2010.

WashJeff on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Waterloo

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Or, BOTOXIN.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

–The GOP bill also does nothing with respect to pre-existing conditions. You could be insured with your employer for thirty years, get laid off and be unable to get individual insurance after COBRA ends.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM

And on the other hand the Democrat bill takes over 1/6th of the economy, soaks the middle class in raised taxes, and creates 111 new bureaucracies, and will result in either bankrupting our nation or impose massive health care rationing.

gwelf on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

We need another national outcry. We’ll be doing a Melt the Phones segment today on TEMS at 3 pm ET, where viewers call their Congressional offices on the air to tell their Representatives to oppose ObamaCare. Be sure to bring your Representative’s office number to the show, and we’ll make sure your voices are heard.

Also happening this afternoon is Michelle Bachman’s protest rally with the participants encouraged to storm the hill and tell their representatives personally what they think about healthcare reform. It could get ugly.

highhopes on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Now imagine that the 1990 pages consists of legalese, tax hikes, government mandates on states and health-care insurers and providers. Do you think you could get that read with any level of comprehension necessary to cast an educated vote in just eight days?

Isn’t that why they get a staff?

ernesto on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

does that mean Obamacare is dead?

Doughboy on November 5, 2009 at 10:18 AM

I think Obamacare is like the movie character Jason. No matter how many times you think it’s been killed off it just keeps getting back up.

Oldnuke on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Ya know the price of another insurance premium will surely go up if this crap passes; since it’s a sure bet Americans will die sooner – life insurance

katablog.com on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM

–State insurance regulators already do this.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

If you don’t own or drive a car then you aren’t required to get liability insurance. The Democrat bill forces you to buy health insurance if you breath. If you believe the government has the authority to force you to buy something simply for being alive then you believe in no limits on government.

gwelf on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 AM

I always thought that on large bills like this there was some strategic benefit to which house votes LAST. If Pelosi forces this vote and the Senate puts it off even longer, all those voted FOR this POS bill will have to bear the cross of it with the chance that it does not pass.

Pelosi may be the only person dumb enough to bring this to a vote so far ahead of the Senate.

iam7545 on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 AM

–The GOP bill also does nothing with respect to pre-existing conditions. You could be insured with your employer for thirty years, get laid off and be unable to get individual insurance after COBRA ends.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Yeah, your example is exactly why HSA’s are so popular. HSA’s are evil according to Pelosicare.

But the bottom line, is that you want the Gov’t to step in and take care of people who are too stupid or lazy to take care of themselves. If you can save to put your kids through college or buy a house, you can save for the day you get cancer or fall down the stairs.

$1.2 trillion dollars to insure 18 million people should be absurd, even to you, especially when the majority of those are young and healthy.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Have all the Senate and House members arranged to be out of town today? Or will they call in the National Guard if too big a group shows up? If there is a huge crowd today, it will hopefully give some of the Congresscritters pause before they vote on Saturday.

kingsjester on November 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM

My conresswoman, Michele Bachmann, is organizing an emergency House Call. I said here that I’m very proud of Michele. This country would be alot better off with more leadership like Michele’s.

LFRGary on November 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM

I have always thought the drum beat over reading the bill is beside the point.

Until someone can explain to the American voters in simple language what the bill is, how it would work, how it will affect them individually, and what the goals AND, even the downsides are…..it’s not a transparent process.

We’re stuck focusing on stupid stuff.

AnninCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Doughboy,
If it doesn’t pass this week, it still isn’t dead. The corruptocRATS have too much invested in passing something. They are like vampires, someone will have to drive a stake through their heart and wait until they dissolve into dust and the dust is scattered to the 4 winds. Obama has gambled much of his Presidency on this abomination. They will not give up.
Oh, and by the way, a Senate panel has approved a climate change proposal. The demoncRATS are hell bent on destroying America.

mountainmanbob on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

–The GOP bill also does nothing with respect to pre-existing conditions. You could be insured with your employer for thirty years, get laid off and be unable to get individual insurance after COBRA ends.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM
And on the other hand the Democrat bill takes over 1/6th of the economy, soaks the middle class in raised taxes, and creates 111 new bureaucracies, and will result in either bankrupting our nation or impose massive health care rationing.

gwelf on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

–Well, I’m in favor of ObamaCare, as many of you know. If the GOP can find a way to solve this problem, I’d support the GOP bills. But they haven’t done this. (And, by the way, the CBO also says that the GOP bill will only cover an additional 3 million uninsured, so it really does nothing substantial to help the uninsured. That’s probably why it costs so little.)

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

By Tory Newmyer
Roll Call Staff
July 22, 2009, 2:09 p.m.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that she has the votes to pass a health care overhaul in the House, even as the bill remains stalled in the Energy and Commerce Committee.

Heh.

SouthernGent on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

I’ll donate to the campaign of anyone running for Congress next year, who vows to establish a rule requiring a reading time calculation be applied to the minimum time needed before a bill can be voted on. Let’s say 50 pages a day. Maybe 100.

how about just a requirement for it to be read aloud on the floor, with relevant sections of any legislation to which it refers?

katablog.com on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Who here thinks Nancy will pull some kind of trick to keep people out of their reps offices today. The judge on Glen’s show yesterday says she has a law that allows her to do it. If she does, I think she will.

patriotparty1 on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

If you believe the government has the authority to force you to buy something simply for being alive then you believe in no limits on government.

gwelf on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 AM

I do think there’s a clear constitutional issue here. It will be challenged.

AnninCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Ha Ha Ha – and require the House or Senate to actually LISTEN while the legislation is read aloud!

katablog.com on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Go ahead Pelosi . . . you and your stinking band of fascists just cram this down the throats of the American people and let’s see how long you fools can hold your places and the public feeding trough. This has only begun.

rplat on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Something is terribly wrong when you are counting on a revenue stream from fines from people who refuse to buy what you are selling.

gophergirl on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 AM

I’d like to hear a few details on the enforcement process.

I’m betting the house the only people who come out ahead in this will be the lawyers.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I have to give one credit to Nancy. She’s definitely consistent. :)

AnninCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Laxatives produce a much cheaper outcome.

Rovin on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

–State insurance regulators already do this.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Yeah, because the 10th amendment give them the authority.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Now imagine that the 1990 pages consists of legalese, tax hikes, government mandates on states and health-care insurers and providers.

It’s even longer now, with more control.

But now Democrats have added a 42-page “manager’s amendment” to the bill.”

Rae on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Rush’s out until next Monday. Any doubt this entered Nancy’s calculation?

He owns space in their head.

Bless his heart.

Angry Dumbo on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

But the bottom line, is that you want the Gov’t to step in and take care of people who are too stupid or lazy to take care of themselves. If you can save to put your kids through college or buy a house, you can save for the day you get cancer or fall down the stairs.

$1.2 trillion dollars to insure 18 million people should be absurd, even to you, especially when the majority of those are young and healthy.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 AM

–So you want to explain how someone who gets cancer and then is dumped by her employer and can’t get individual health insurance is stupid or lazy? Cancer treatments can easily cost $1 million if the situation is serious.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Downtown Minneapolis. I’ll be looking for you ;)

Heck – I’m in Florida. :)

Maybe on your February break from the winter weather? :)

honsy on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM

–The GOP bill also does nothing with respect to pre-existing conditions. You could be insured with your employer for thirty years, get laid off and be unable to get individual insurance after COBRA ends.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM

And Medicaid will pick up after that, if you truly can’t afford private insurance, so what is your point?

Johnnyreb on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM

–State insurance regulators already do this.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Yeah, because the 10th amendment give them the authority.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

–The Commerce Clause gave them this authority, along with an act of Congress.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM

how about just a requirement for it to be read aloud on the floor, with relevant sections of any legislation to which it refers?

katablog.com on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

An even better idea, but utterly impossible to pass. Mine might be impossible, too. Who’s up for dissolving of Congress, with special elections to be held immediately, and incumbents disallowed from running?

MadisonConservative on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Behind the scenes the Pelosi machine is in complete meltdown.

They know the capital will be trampled today by angry “mobs” and Tuesday’s vote has the left side of the halls of congress ordering up cases of Advil and Depends.

It’s a bluff.

katy on November 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I think Obamacare is like the movie character Jason. No matter how many times you think it’s been killed off it just keeps getting back up.

Oldnuke on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Does that mean Pelosi is Mrs. Voorhees?

Doughboy on November 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

If she thought this was gonna pass, she wouldn’t do a vote on a Saturday.

lorien1973 on November 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

MadisonConservative on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Sounds like a good plan to me, Mad. Our Founders’ original idea was for public service to be a Temp job, not a Gold Mine.

kingsjester on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM

That woman is pure evil.

Punditpawn on November 5, 2009 at 10:15 AM

She’s definitely in the ninth ring of hell in Dante’s Inferno, reserved for traitors.

nyx on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM

The way around the constitutional issue will be in the implementation.

In other words, nobody is going to fine you if you’re just walking around uninsured.

HOWEVER, I presume the penalties will be assessed when you go to purchase insurance because of a need.

The Courts then can say, there’s no violation. You volunteered for the penalty to gain the benefit.

Or at least, that’s how I’m understanding this will work.

Nobody has explained it. That Kathleen S. everyone raved about is really inarticulate in my opinion.

She’s pretty much been a flop in communicating the basics.

AnninCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM

–The GOP bill also does nothing with respect to pre-existing conditions. You could be insured with your employer for thirty years, get laid off and be unable to get individual insurance after COBRA ends.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM
And Medicaid will pick up after that, if you truly can’t afford private insurance, so what is your point?

Johnnyreb on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM

–Medicare only covers you pre-65 if you are disabled under Social Security or have a particular condition. You’re thinking of state “safety net” plans, which generally require you to have no assets in order to qualifiy. I don’t want to have to effectively declare bankruptcy to get affordable insurance.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Isn’t that why they get a staff?

ernesto on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 AM

So you want to rely on staffers who are probably going to jump ship in a couple of years to get big bucks at a lobbying firm? You don’t see a long term conflict of interest there?

I personally prefer a smaller government that does less, which leads to less conflict of interest problems. Just say no to government control of our health.

rbj on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM

“One of the additions would raise $24 billion for the bill by eliminating a biofuels tax break for pulp and paper companies.”

WTF?

uknowmorethanme:

No new taxes
Lower federal deficet
Lower premiums

Alas, the CBO Assessment also includes plenty of talking point material for Democrats.

JM Hanes on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM

–Well, I’m in favor of ObamaCare, as many of you know. If the GOP can find a way to solve this problem, I’d support the GOP bills. But they haven’t done this. (And, by the way, the CBO also says that the GOP bill will only cover an additional 3 million uninsured, so it really does nothing substantial to help the uninsured. That’s probably why it costs so little.)

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

From the CBO:

CBO anticipates that the combination of provisions in the amendment would reduce average private health insurance premiums per enrollee in the United States, relative to what they would be under current law-by 7 percent to 10 percent in the small group market, by 5 percent to 8 percent for individually purchased insurance

How does a 7-10% decrease in price of a policy do nothing to help the uninsured? The uninsured will still have to pay a premium from the Public Consumer Competitive Option too.

Not to mention this entire thing started as a way to lower the costs of health care, not covering everyone. Everyone is covered now (which is an inconvenient truth) if they get hurt or sick, Hospitals have to treat you regardless. So your argument about people not being “covered” is crap.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM

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