Pelosi wants a Saturday vote for her ObamaCare bill
posted at 10:12 am on November 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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How long would it take you to read a 1990-page book? If it was an extended version of Stephen King’s The Stand, perhaps most of us could get it done in a couple of weeks, if we turned off the TV and ignored our families. It would be about the same as reading most of the last three Harry Potter novels in one stretch, to give a sense of proportion.
Now imagine that the 1990 pages consists of legalese, tax hikes, government mandates on states and health-care insurers and providers. Do you think you could get that read with any level of comprehension necessary to cast an educated vote in just eight days?
House Democratic leaders are pushing for a Saturday vote on their sweeping health-care bill, but they are struggling to win over shaky rank-and-file members who could hold up its passage.
Democrats tacked new provisions onto the legislation late Tuesday, clearing one of the final hurdles for bringing the bill to the floor. One of the additions would raise $24 billion for the bill by eliminating a biofuels tax break for pulp and paper companies. Another would place tighter restrictions on insurance companies to prevent them from increasing consumers’ premiums without cause.
But the changes didn’t resolve sharp differences among Democrats over how the bill handles funding for abortion, with some saying they won’t support the legislation until it addresses their concerns. Republican victories in two gubernatorial elections Tuesday night are also making some wavering members uneasy about voting for a $1.055 trillion bill.
As of Wednesday, House leaders didn’t appear to have secured the 218 votes they need to pass the bill. They were moving to quickly swear in two Democrats elected Tuesday, which would give the party 258 seats in the House and allow leaders to lose as many as 40 Democratic votes without losing their majority. No Republicans are expected to vote for the bill.
The big question for Pelosi will be the Blue Dog Democrats. Perhaps she thinks that pushing through a quick vote on her just-released version of ObamaCare will distract the moderates from learning the lesson of the elections this week. However, the rush is more likely to create greater skepticism, especially since Pelosi keeps changing the bill. How many of them want to suddenly back big spending and massive government control after watching Barack Obama lose New Jersey by five points — a state he won just a year ago by 15?
Pelosi, of course, sees the momentum slipping away — and it has because Democrats have been forced to slow down. Pelosi wanted to jam this down the House’s throat in July, but only a national outcry stopped the runaway statist train long enough for people to understand the stakes. She’s trying it again, but now Blue Dogs understand the stakes a little better.
We need another national outcry. We’ll be doing a Melt the Phones segment today on TEMS at 3 pm ET, where viewers call their Congressional offices on the air to tell their Representatives to oppose ObamaCare. Be sure to bring your Representative’s office number to the show, and we’ll make sure your voices are heard.
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Good question – with this type of ‘precedence’ what is there to restrain the growth of an all powerful government?
Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Outcome based healthcare.
Johan Klaus on November 5, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Medicare “dumps” patients at a higher percentage rate and volume, than health insurance companies.
If you are arguing about pre-existing conditions… health insurers have a right to decline to accept risk. If you want health plans decoupled from employment (which would eliminate the majority of pre-existing condition issues), then we should adopt the Conservative plan of opening up state borders to competition among plan providers, which would drop prices. We should encourage companies to pay “standard” stipends and allow individuals more freedom in purchasing their plans themselves. Since the plans would follow individuals, there wouldn’t be a forced “reset” during changes in employment.
dominigan on November 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Wrong. See tenth amendment.
Johan Klaus on November 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM
If each individual GOP member of Congress would take the floor and ask for individual detailed explanations of each individual segment of this bill Pelosi wants to ram down our throats, that alone could easily push a vote into the later part of this month. It would also cause the Dems to come up with a new and improved version, yet again, what is it now, the 16th version since last fall?
coldwarrior on November 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM
1) Buy your own insurance, rather than get it through an employer.
2) Every existing policy will cover existing conditions, providing there is no drop in coverage.
3) Every existing policy will cover existing conditions, even with a drop in coverage, after a waiting period.
As always, liberals push solutions in search of a problem.
MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM
The put up may be coming sooner than you think
flyoverboy on November 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM
And this is justification?
MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM
The Commerce Clause only gives Congress the power to regulate commerce standards between states. For example, one state cannot charge additional excise taxes on products to another state. Since this restricts the authority of Congress, an Act of Congress that expands beyond this restriction is un-Constitutional is worthless.
The Commerce Clause only provides for a leveling of the playing field between states in the area of commerce… not the outright control of it.
Also notice that the Constitution purposely includes that this Commerce authority is for the country, among the states… not the individual citizens!
Congress has no Constitutional authority to require people to purchase health insurance, or provide a Government plan option to sell.
Any Congressman who votes for such an un-Constitutional seizure of power in direct violation of their Oath of Office to uphold the Constitution, should be charged with High Crimes as a domestic enemy.
dominigan on November 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM
20. Most of us have jobs.
MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Of course not. So we’ll mandate perfect strangers to keep this from happening. By what right do you find this acceptable?
anuts on November 5, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Like she did with cap and tax?
MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM
If you are arguing about pre-existing conditions… health insurers have a right to decline to accept risk. If you want health plans decoupled from employment (which would eliminate the majority of pre-existing condition issues), then we should adopt the Conservative plan of opening up state borders to competition among plan providers, which would drop prices. We should encourage companies to pay “standard” stipends and allow individuals more freedom in purchasing their plans themselves. Since the plans would follow individuals, there wouldn’t be a forced “reset” during changes in employment.
dominigan on November 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM
–Most companies don’t want to have their employees buy insurance on the open market because companies are generally exempt from state requirements about what benefits must be offered. They figure their plans are cheaper to them than what is available on the market.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 11:56 AM
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–Then so be it. I get tired of hearing all these threats of seceeding (sic) or outright war.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I’ve always favored an ammendment to the constitution that says that if a bill is found unconstitutional, any Representative or Senator, who voted for the bill, will immediately be stripped of office and be declared ineligible to ever hold elective office again.
MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Pelosi wants….. I want Pelosi to resign from the House by Saturday. She’s an unqualified idiot…..
adamsmith on November 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Who gives a rat’s behind what Nancy wants! ABC News just announced on my radio streaming that AARP has endorsed Nancy’s House HealthCare Bill. That’s gonna hurt. PEOPLE! HELLO!?! Start calling your elected officials NOW!
Sultry Beauty on November 5, 2009 at 12:03 PM
“How long would it take you to read a 1990-page book?”
Not long at all when you order the
Evelyn Woodhead Sped Riddin Course.
mrt721 on November 5, 2009 at 12:03 PM
2010 can not come soon enough!
BigMike252 on November 5, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Government control or liberty; you cannot have both.
Johan Klaus on November 5, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Nancy wants civility, when it comes from anyone other than a dem. Well here goes.
Ms.Pelosi. Please with sincerity, and gratitude, take the 2,000 page bill you wrote, from the sacrifice of many trees, because we know how much you LOVE the environment, and wouldn’t dream of harming it to keep writing exhorbitant bills…and with a great, and blunt force, thrust them into your posterior region, and let’s not forget…good, or bad…keep up that smile Smile SMILE!!!
capejasmine on November 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Of course you do. You’re a Liberal who WANTS Universal HealtCare that’s UNconstitutional. I say though, we won’t have to worry about a war of seceding anything. YOU’RE the ONE who will be whining foul when SCOTUS comes in and tells you ALL to shove it!
Sultry Beauty on November 5, 2009 at 12:07 PM
No your not, your looking to have someone else pay for your insurance.
MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 12:08 PM
I got a phone bank call from the CDC on Monday for my family telling me that members of my family fit the description of people who NEED the Flu Shot. Me and my son already got H1N1 and there is an epidemic of it with the school kids in my town. I played the voicemail message of a robotic woman who told me the message was for the “My last name”’s Family. How creepy is that to get a call like that? I told my son, in my lifetime of almost 41 years I’ve NEVER heard of ANYONE getting a call like that.
Sultry Beauty on November 5, 2009 at 12:10 PM
A perfect example of government control skewing behavior and cost.
Johan Klaus on November 5, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Video: the magic of split screen: Pelosi announces government health care bill, citizens discuss misery of government H1N1 vaccination program — http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/11/simulcast-democrats-announce-government.html
Mervis Winter on November 5, 2009 at 12:13 PM
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–No, Im not. The debate is over how the risk pooling is done (i.e. community rating or a smaller group who has significant health problems). My understanding is that most other insurance that is issued (auto, disability) uses community ratings, but if I’m wrong, let me know.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Why not doing away with this half measure plan and begin anew with a national health service system – paid for and run by the government (through taxes) – with equal access for everyone so people can stop worrying about getting sick and start worrying about how to turn around the economy instead? I really don’t get this massive distrust for the government. Alot of people here at HA seem to have government anorexia instead of trying to make the government work better. How come? The government is not the enemy but our friend. If, as you say, our friend is sick, should we then not try to cure her rather than witholding her nutrition?
And how do you square the minimalist government with conservatism? That is liberal viewpoint – while conservatism is all about social responsibilities and community! I really can’t shake the feeling that all this outrage is just about that you don’t want to share the burden of curing the indigent and uninsured and rather save the money for a few more made in China electronics, thus feeding the communist party that you claim to hate. Hypocrites!
JC Silverberg on November 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM
–Sally, go back and read the Supreme Court decisions on the Commerce Clause/Tax and Spending Powers in the US Constitution and then reflect on the current Court members. I don’t see anyway you’ll get 5 of the current 8 to overturn the healthcare bill’s mandate and even less of a chance to overturn the excise tax requirement.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Its not insurance, its welfare. Its the difference between insuring (making a gamble) against future risk and paying for someone’s pre-existing condition which was not covered under a policy.
Pelosi/Obamacare is a welfare package, not an insurance package. Under Obamacare, an individual becomes entitled to having the cost of treatment covered, even though they were not part of the insured risk pool. Its akin to waiting to get into a car accident before purchasing car insurance. That policy cannot logically cover the previous accident–its a known quantity, not a future risk. Obamacare, however, forces the company (or the government) to pay for the treatment regardless. Thats welfare, not insurance.
Revenant on November 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM
–That would knock out almost all the current members.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM
–That’s the reason for the mandate–so this can’t happen.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM
No. First, a person may not purchase insurance and suffer the tax consequences. Second, those persons currently insured, with pre-existing conditions, will be able to purchase “coverage” for those pre-existing conditions without payment of the rational price.
A person who has a pre-existing cancer condition will not pay the true cost of insurance for future risk (which would logically exclude cancer treatment). Instead, they will pay the mandated Congressional amount, and recieve welfare payments for their conditions.
Revenant on November 5, 2009 at 12:23 PM
It totally sucks. My town is like this little thumb of the CA 45th Congressional District Represented by Mary Bono, a certified RINO surrounded by the CA 49th Congressional District. I mean, how does Darrell Issa get Perris, CA in his district but not me? They’re closer to those Liberal Palm Spring and Indian Wells folks than I am!
Sultry Beauty on November 5, 2009 at 12:25 PM
How many people are at the Capitol right now? Fox news is reporting 1000+. Is anyone listening to The People?
cibolo on November 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Isn’t it a little late for Trick and Treat?
The Wicked Witch of the Worst, Nan P., is in for a melting.
profitsbeard on November 5, 2009 at 12:33 PM
I reminded my NJ representatives staff that we just fired our governor for his tone deafness and there was plenty of room in the unemployment line for them as well, should they support this travesty.
bloviator on November 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM
She added an attachment for ‘management’ = 2790+ pages now…
Plus, she shut down cameras for today and Saturday’s vote will be “closed door”.
This was going to be the most “transparent” congress and adminstration in history.
Weasels go have a party. Pelosi/Reid represent you well.
Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM
You keep saying this – do you have a family of 8 people all with pre-existing conditions?
You live in or around Area 4 right? You are a dude – around your mid 50’s and you have some money so you would be willing to take a higher deductible (5k) – right? – Doesn’t that put insuring you at $510. a month? (Non-tobacco user – because you would give that up if you were)
And you can buy the rest of your family insurance either through your spouses employer or privately for less or about what your coverage costs… you can get on the private plan and if your pre-existing condition does not require any treatment for 12 months (maybe less) you will be added per HIPPA law
Jimbo it seems like you need to talk to an insurance professional or a social worker. That FAQ page on HIPPPA page should be helpful. If you had your pre-existing when you changed employers the lookback is only 6 months. Your COBRA should have been a continuation of your previous insurance.
batterup on November 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Hey with government run health insurance, homesexual sex practices can be banned (fined, taxed, etc.) since they create unnecessary health risks. The commerce clause says we can do anything!!! Yipppee!!!
WashJeff on November 5, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Lots of good information from the pros! Defend your healthcare
dmann on November 5, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Oooo. That was so perfect!
Sultry Beauty on November 5, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Say what?
Haven’t you been paying attention?
The massive distrust is primarily aimed at this government. And with good reason.
Also, we do not want the government involved in areas where it isn’t wanted or needed.
You haven’t noticed how Government Programs tend to become bloated bureaucratic money-wasting nightmares?
PaddyJ on November 5, 2009 at 12:42 PM
–Batterup, thanks for looking out for me. My wife and I would have pre-existing conditions (but we’re non-smokers). She doesn’t work (outside the house). At my age, it’s $919/month and $883/month for her. Then we have two kids. They would be $832/month. Right now, I do have insurance, but my company’s being sold, so this is a prospective issue. I am looking at the lowest deductible plan, so I could save some money by uping the deductible.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Guess what? If the Unicorn Plan is passed, and your cancer re-occurs, you’ll have a 6 month wait after you apply for Obamacare.
kingsjester on November 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Well on Mr. Napolitano, who served on the bench of the Superior Court of New Jersey between 1987 and 1995, is the senior judicial analyst at the Fox News Channel. His latest book is “Dred Scott’s Revenge: A Legal History of Race and Freedom in America” BLOG he thinks differently. I sorry but I defer to HIS EXPERTISE over someone who calls himself Jimbo. BTW- It’s Sultry NOT Sally. It’s a moniker, and not my real name, like I hope yours is as well.
Sultry Beauty on November 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Actually in a previous thread you said you do. You’re quite willing to force the rest of us to pay for your insurance. I suggest you move to a country that already does that, as I did before.
dogsoldier on November 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM
at my job at Blue Cross, we’re already talking about what we’re going to do WHEN one of this crap-a** bills passes. I’ll be out of a job so I’m going to start looking for a new one.
And judging on the amount of taxes they want to punish us with (considering our “profit” last year was 0.5%), I’d suspect most of the people here will be out of a job by the end of 2011.
mjk on November 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM
For anyone arguing with Jimbo3 right now, he feels that the government has the legal authority to do just about anything to you they want, provided they can get re-elected doing so.
He’s argued that the government can literally force you to buy specific toothpastes if they felt like it. He’s never really argued that’s a good thing, but he’s argued it’s legal.
BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Scary thing is, there are elected Congressional folks who HONESTLY believe the same as Jimbo. If we don’t argue with them, then what do we do? Who has called their elected officials and told them do this an you’re career is over. They have the bullypulpit with the media behind them. If we don’t speak up constantly and loudly then regular folks hear ABC News on the Radio say that AARP endorses this cr@p and we end up with a big, fat mess that won’t be cleaned up in my lifetime. MJK’s losing a job at Blue Cross will seem like small potatoes.
Sultry Beauty on November 5, 2009 at 1:01 PM
That’s why we need more engineers in government. Engineers provide THEIR solution to a problem. Lawyers provide someoneelses solution\reasoning.
WashJeff on November 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM
I just called Chris Carney & Arlen Spector’s offices. Spector’s phone guy said they have been getting a lot of calls on this. Keep the calls going in! I’m going to fax them now, too…
SouperConservative on November 5, 2009 at 1:03 PM
For anyone arguing with Jimbo3 right now, he feels that the government has the legal authority to do just about anything to you they want, provided they can get re-elected doing so.
He’s argued that the government can literally force you to buy specific toothpastes if they felt like it. He’s never really argued that’s a good thing, but he’s argued it’s legal.
BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 12:56 PM
From the GOP health-care reform cost thread:
Are you or are you not Supporting Pelosicare?
[Or Obamacare or the government takeover of healthcare or...]
Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM
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It’s really important to vote for SanFranNan’s C**P SANDWICH “health care” bill on Saturday. Without wasting time by reading and understanding the bill and it’s costs–we can’t waste critical time now.
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On a bill that will start taxing us in 2010 and won’t provide any benefits until after the 2012 elections. And that will break the bank in a few years.
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This sounds like buying a car in the old U.S.S.R. The poor Russian paid his money up front and was put on a waiting list. Years later he would get (maybe) one of two brands of cars–in black–no choices allowed.
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Would you buy a car this way from SanFranNan and her ilk? If you tried to sell a car this way you would be in jail for fraud.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on November 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM
I like Jimbo. He’s the only one of our lefties who routinely argues with facts and is rarely insulting or demeaning, even when others treat him that way.
However, I completely agree that lawyers like Jimbo, with the mindset that the government can realistically do whatever they feel like to us, are driving this country off a cliff. Doctors, Engineers, and veterans should be filling the ranks of Congress.
I also agree that it often feels like we have to spend our free time calling our representatives just to keep them from slowly taking our freedoms away. There’s something scary about that.
BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Your anxiety is understandable – you really should talk with an insurance professional – actually a social worker might really know the ins & outs of the COBRA/HIPPA system better, do you know anyone who works at one of these level 1 Trauma centers? They are DSH so they have social workers on staff who would be helpful. It’s just a suggestion but talking with someone in the field would be helpful.
When your company is sold – if you don’t go to the new owner you & your family would be covered under COBRA You might want to look into the COBRA laws to allay anxiety with the unfamiliar.
I don’t know what you & your wife’s pre-existing conditions are but if you have any control over them (like type 2 diabetes) you will pardon my bluntness but you might want to consider making some lifestyle changes now to enhance your insurability and lifespan.
batterup on November 5, 2009 at 1:12 PM
600-700 rally at Capitol against Obamacare
agmartin on November 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Where’s the Live Thread for the Tea Party “House Call” at the Capitol?
Great turnout! Mark Levin, John Voight aand all the GOP house members are taking turns blasting Pelosi, Obama and their monstrosity of a Bill. The place is rocking!
You can find it live on CSPAN3 – The rest of the MSM is blacking this out (even Fox is barely mentioning it).
sarahpalinfan99 on November 5, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Live streaming of the ‘House Call’ protest & speeches
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx
rayra on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM
That would be better than term limits!
belad on November 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM
It would also give the judiciary de facto control over the legislature–all SCOTUS has to do is declare a unanimous bill unconstitutional, and you’ve just kicked out every member of Congress.
Or the court could play poltiics, and declare a Republican or Democratic bill unconstitutional, just to kick out one party or the other. It would allow massive judicial power grabs.
Revenant on November 5, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Keep on going, Nancy and Harry.
Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 2:25 PM
–Batterup, no worries about being blunt. I appreciate your concerns. I am making some changes/taking a new prescription, but we’ve both had the best type of skin cancer and I’ve been told that will knock us out, even though it was “cured” three or four years ago.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM
–Why am I thinking about those Sprint commercials that describe what happens when roadies fly planes or when firemen run Congress?
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Nancy is delusional.
Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM
PaddyJ
It is not so that government agencies alone get “bloated”, that is the iron law of all organizations that all organizations tend to maximize themsleves – just take a quick look at the republican party – it seems to have a leadership that is both powerful and ineffective, ramming through an insane pick like Scozzafava. Look at major corporations that take government bailouts , still lose money and let their upper management spend the company’s money like there was no tomorrow. All organizations want bigger budgets, greater jurisdictions, more perks for management etc. It is inescapable and a part of the human condition.
What to do then? The answer is a cycle of construction-growth-stagnation-destruction: We can’t solve the problem once and for all but we can solve it for a generation or two and then the process has to begin again. Maybe this is a good thing too bc that gives every new generation the chance have its reformers. National health service could very well be the solution for our time. Maybe in the future there will be less poverty in america so we won’t need it, then it can go, or more likely alot of more poverty and it will be an integral part of keeping the social peace – in essence buying off the less fortunate so they don’t rebell and start taking their share by force. The alternative would be to use the solution of the past – to pay a portion of the poor to kill off another portion of the poor, and I can’t really call that better alternative. I want a society of peace and quiet and if it takes higher taxes to buy off the poor then that is a cheap price to pay for not getting my throat slit. Do you have a better solution?
JC Silverberg on November 5, 2009 at 3:19 PM
I guess you missed it when he called me and me a “yellow bellied coward” in another thread.
dogsoldier on November 5, 2009 at 3:52 PM
That is why you need to talk to a professional. Read the link I posted.
(Emphasis mine)
6 months – not 3 or 4 years. Someone is playing on your fears.
Jimbo – I think the solutions to your particular problem may already exist in our current system. You seem to be a reasonable man, please consider that this & the Baucus bill is not about insurance – it is about health care. Please take the time to read the bills and the changes the will bring about to compensation to providers of the poor, it is written to starve off the providers who care for the poor. If the charity and medicare/medicaid hospitals/clinics/providers and the DSH shut down the system will be overwhelmed. All the “free” health insurance in the world won’t matter if you can’t get the care.
batterup on November 5, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Try reading it for content next time, rather than for speed.
Well over 99.4% of the world’s entire population is killed early on in The Stand. The survivors were little more than a rounding error.
If you’re contending that more than that will be killed by this bill, you need your head examined, STAT.
VekTor on November 5, 2009 at 4:46 PM
So; Pelosi plans on raiding the U.S. Treasury on Saturday when there are not as many security guards around:
She must be watching action movies in her chamber with Barakie boy!
Cybergeezer on November 5, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Why am I thinking of that Alec Baldwin movie where he said something like, “Those patients are praying to me. I am god.”
Please save us Mr. Lawyer. It’s all just so complex.
Troll Feeder on November 5, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I kind of like the language from some Dem congressperson in Florida(paraphrasing from Beck show today) ’sure we’ll listen to you gripe, but its not going to change a damn vote’ these arrogant sob’s have got to go.
TheVer on November 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM
I work during the week, but I can easily Call Congress ALL DAY SATURDAY !!!!!!!!!!!
I can Vote too.
JayTee on November 5, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Two questions: Could ObamaCare be challenged in federal court on Constitutional grounds? If not, can a Republican/Conservative majority in 2011 reverse the damage which may come from this monstrocity?
If Michael Steele has any hope of redemption in his current position, he should be mobilizing the party to fight this fight to the bitter end, and if necessary, start raising money for ads to run from now to November 2010.
This is a no-brainer for lovers of freedom and liberty. If we don’t push this back now, the cost of doing so down the line will be much, much higher.
itzWicks on November 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM
I’m surprised The One sanctioned this vote in these
most trying of times.
Mr. Arrogant on November 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Pelosi is nuttier than a squirrel turd.
darwin-t on November 5, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Hey Bluedogs ask yourself one question it’s an instructive question for all men:
Is this the mountain you want to die upon?
To pass a Government ruination of the finest healthcare known to man, to raise fees and taxes and costs excessively on your constituents who entrusted you with their vote?
To put your name to a bill that effectively socializes and destroys medicine for the most vulnerable among us. Abill that puts Governemnt ahead of doctors and patients in the decision of who gets what treatment?
Is this the mountain you want to die upon for a miserable failure of a man who in nine months has aleinated our overseas friends, has sold out our troops, has tanked our economy, devalued our dollar, put a record number of Americans in the unemployment lines and is going to be a one term worst president ever in the history of the country?
If so vote for this bill secure in the knowledge you will be gone from your cushy job and will be a pariah in your communities forever!
dhunter on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Congress in Wonderland. The Queen of Hearts has just declared: Vote First, Read afterward!
If the analogy between making legislation and making sausage holds true, Congress is the 1906 meat-packing industry described by Upton Sinclair in “the Jungle”.
The current managers claim that their compassion for the poor and disadvantaged is so great that it doesn’t matter what kind of politicking got what provisions into the bill. The Constitution is a dead letter, and there is such an urgent need to get something, anything, out the door, that there’s no time for inspection.
Confutus on November 6, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like some tragedy happens that fills the news wires and air time when they’re doing a lot of this stuff?
Probably coincidence, but it seems like a plane always manages to crash or there’s some big scandal coming out of Hollywood or something…
Dr. ZhivBlago on November 6, 2009 at 4:50 AM
This needs to be defeated. Under these conditions its obvious people don’t want it and SHE knows it. DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS BILL!!!
johnnyU on November 6, 2009 at 8:02 AM
Tactically it is her best move. She will not be any stronger than she is now.
petertheslow on November 6, 2009 at 8:55 AM
News report mentioned that Pelosi just swore in 2 new members..both dems.???
What does that mean?
Itchee Dryback on November 6, 2009 at 9:58 AM
So now according to this butt-ugly b*tch, if you don’t buy the $15,000 insurance policy that her government is ramming down our throats… you go to prison for 5 years. Can someone please put Operation Valkyrie into effect while we still have time.
ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM
I wish malik hassan would visit congress.
huckelberry on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 PM
–Then so be it. I get tired of hearing all these threats of seceeding (sic) or outright war.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Jimmah, can you sing the obama tune and dance , at the end of a plow line at the same time? Soon very soon.
huckelberry on November 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM
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