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Conservatives love the Constitution, and specifically the Bill of Rights. While liberals may take an expansive view of the Constitution’s terms, or subscribe to the idea of a “living Constitution,” conservatives …

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Despite the asinine inclusion of tort reform, there are some great ideas in the GOP bill.
Absent from the republican proposal are key features of the democrats’ own legislation, such as mandates for…

Maybe the GOP plan will help pay for the party blinders y’all are wearing as you blow the horn for this joke of a plan.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

I don’t need either plan. Sorry you are too weak and lazy to support your own needs.

The Rockefeller CFR/Trilateral New World Elitists are essentially staging a coup de ta while the American people are basically in shock.Everyday another unconstitutional law is rammed down our throats with little or no debate. They have nationalized our banks, stolen private Corporations,stole over 900 billion dollars and now they are trying to nationalize our Health Care System.

For the life of me where is the rule of law? Just like Michele Bachmann said in a recent speech; “we are being ruled by thugs and gangsters”.The One World Order Elitists are using Barry Soetoro to implement their plan to create a One World Government as outlined on the Council on Foreign Relations website.

David Rockefeller, gazillionaire head of the Council on Foreign Relations, has said in his autobiography ‘Memoirs’, “Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global, political and economic structure–one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

I am sorry but debating bills that are illegal seems a little silly.We should be all trying to impeach these gangsters from office starting with Barry Hussein Soetoro.

Frankly, I am now starting to understand how Hitler was able to take over Germany.

Spending a trillion dollars to address a nearly nonexistent problem makes it clear that it’s a screen for another agenda completely.

Bingo!

ARE YOU ALL ON DRUGS???!!

Teh One has SPOKEN!!!

The opponents want to do NOTHING!!!

There IS no other plan. They HAVE nothing to offer.

WHY DON’T YOU STOP MAKING SHIT UP???!!!!!

/full barking moonbat mode OFF

That is the relevant comaprison. Whether it costs the taxpayers money by increasing their taxes, or by increasing net expenditures, is utterly irrelevant. What matters is the total cost

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

How anyone considering themselves to be a capitalist can support this arrangement is beyond me.”

Charlie Gasparino from RealClearMarkets. His book is called The Sellout.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/171549-charlie-gasparino-another-crash-has-to-happen-again?source=yahoo

–I’m usually a libertarian (okay, an inconsistent one because of this particular bill, but otherwise a pretty consistent one). I like less government over more government in almost every aspect of things, because governments usually f**k things up and cost more than the private sector.
Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Clearly you support the takeover of our healthcare system.

But you realize that is in contradiction to what you have also stated.
In summary, you support the takeover of our healthcare system, even though:

“governments usually f**k things up and cost more than the private sector. “

Now, why are you contradiction yourself?

And why are you supporting that bill?

Shouldn’t a big-ass Lawyer be able to answer simple questions like that?

It sounds like a massive crowd, chanting…KILL THE BILL!!!

But that’s different from saying this is unconstitutional. It’s not the way I read the cases and the current Supreme Court.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Perhaps you should read the Constitution first before deferring to un-Constitutional cases and rulings. Just because a ruling goes a certain direction doesn’t mean its correct. Your later example with “medicinal plants” bear that out. Many of the 20th century cases are simply WRONG in regards to the Commerce Clause. The Commerce Clause is a summary clause that is defined in following clauses in that section.

Let’s review the original Commerce Clause…

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

I don’t see any mention of providing for the general welfare of individuals.

From a strict conservative/libertarian position, Congress has no authority to create a business selling insurance to individuals, nor force them to buy insurance.

From a “feel-good/squishy progressive/liberal position, how does generating trillions of dollars in debt, undermining our financial stability and taking control of 1/6 of the economy… provide for the general welfare of the United States????

Seems to me, the progressive version of universal healthcare fails all flavors of reading the Constitution! This bill will NOT provide for the general welfare of the United States. In fact, it will greatly ENDANGER the general welfare of the United States.