Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.


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The only question I have is, why is this SOB still alive?
GFW on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Though Hasan is a murderer, Ft. Hood does not condone murder.

A better question is what our military will do to better adapt against sabotage.

That raises the fear factor, that results “meant” to target foreign-interested American saboteurs (Islamic, specifically) will be used by the Feds to primarily target conservative citizenry. Look hard at the DHS and its record to date.

maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 9:27 AM

No Detroit, with unemployment over 25%, is more akin to an area where tribal warfare has replaced the rule of law.
highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM

You are right. I was thinking Dearbornistan so I got the first two letters right..sheesh!

Someone else corrected it to Dearbornistan..at this point we are getting very close to UnitedStatesisstan..

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 9:27 AM

As an active duty Major, the murderer is subject to the UCMJ. Does anybody know which article applies to murdering unarmed soldiers and a civilian police officer?

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Come and take them.

MadisonConservative on November 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

And here’s our flag!

Really. I want you to do it. Double dare ya!

newton on November 6, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Prosecute his ass in Texas, NOT the Military! The Military hasn’t executed anyone in thirty years. This keeping him alive is not an option. The family’s of these fallen soldiers having to listen to this murdering bastard talk about this muslims b/s for the next forty frickin years is total bull-shit!! Drapes him in his Pig Skin funeral shroud and send his towel-headed ass to Pig Skin Heaven. No virgins, instead the SOB dies with the hated Pigs of the Devil.
I try not to hate, and I’d like to think I’ve tried to be civil and logical about this problem the muslims have with this country. But from here on out “I’m Done’, I’m out for your muslims ass. I know big-brother is listening so I’ll just leave it at that. But I will say this, “Never trust a man who owns a pig farm.” ……..we Have lot of pig farms in Texas!

try again later on November 6, 2009 at 9:32 AM

That’s some klassy talk. I can see why the baby dady decided to rent, not buy.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Can you also explain to us why your baby daddy didn’t demand you be aborted?

venividivici on November 6, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Texas kills more people per cap then any other state. They even beat Virginia.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:34 AM

try again later on November 6, 2009 at 9:32 AM

That’s what the Judge was saying on Fox and Friends this morning…the military hasn’t executed anyone in over 30 years and Texas does it pretty much weekly…

ladyingray on November 6, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Prosecute his ass in Texas, NOT the Military

Gov Perry was on Fox this morning talking about the maximum penalty (saying everything but death) is on the books with the Military, Federal AND (his words) “the Sovereign State of Texas”. GOD BLESS TEXAS!

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM

It is not either or. He can be prosecuted by both Texas and the UCMJ.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:36 AM

“mental stress matters” being discussed on Fox..this was NOT DUE TO MENTAL STRESS! This guy had NEVER BEEN DEPLOYED BUT HE WAS A FANATICAL MUSLIM…

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 9:37 AM

try again later on November 6, 2009 at 9:32 AM

I still say he should be let go in the name of tolerance and all. Just take him over the the local VFW on Friday night and drop him off. I’m sure the guys there will be very nice to him and help him see the error of his ways.

MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Ed or Allah could you put this up somewhere:

The Central Texas-Fort Hood Chapter of the Association of the U.S. Army has set up a fund to help the families of those killed or wounded.

Attn: Community Response to 11/5

PO Box 10700

Killeen, TX 76547-0700

E-mail: leadership(at)forthoodausa.org

Online: http://www.forthoodausa.org

batterup on November 6, 2009 at 9:38 AM

I still say he should be let go in the name of tolerance and all. Just take him over the the local VFW on Friday night and drop him off. I’m sure the guys there will be very nice to him and help him see the error of his ways.
MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Just let him walk out of the hospital ALONE and be SURE to publisize it in advance.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I still say he should be let go in the name of tolerance and all. Just take him over the the local VFW on Friday night and drop him off. I’m sure the guys there will be very nice to him and help him see the error of his ways.
MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Just let him walk out of the hospital ALONE and be SURE to publisize it in advance.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Let me know if you need some help

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM

I just heard Obama is going to make some more comments in about an hour. Any bets that his focus will be on stress in the military?

Vera on November 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM

He got PTSD from watching the Military Channel.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

No Detroit, with unemployment over 25%, is more akin to an area where tribal warfare has replaced the rule of law.
highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Tribal? You’re one angry neck! Better fortify the trailer for the revolution. It’s a-comin, you know!

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

No Detroit, with unemployment over 25%, is more akin to an area where tribal warfare has replaced the rule of law.
highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Tribal? You’re one angry neck! Better fortify the trailer for the revolution. It’s a-comin, you know!

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

That is RACIST!!!

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

simpleton on November 6, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Have you finally read that memo from the National Socialist Democrat Party about not talking about gun registration and the inevitable Confiscations?
Remember that quote from the Obobaa administration’s favorite philosopher (and murderer of 70 million people) Mao:

Every Communist must grasp the truth that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
-Mao Zedong

Cleary you people in the National Socialist Democrat Party will want to take away our “political power” before too long, right?

Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

I just heard Obama is going to make some more comments in about an hour. Any bets that his focus will be on stress in the military?
Vera on November 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Any bets he will even mention the words “Muslim” or Islam”?

MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 9:55 AM

That is RACIST!!!
Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Ain’t it all?

MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 9:56 AM

feudin with them Jooos over yonder.

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Heh. You said feud. Heh.

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM

You heard of those famous feuds:
*Hatfield-McCoy
*Lincoln County War
*Clanton/McLaury–Earp feud
*Pleasant Valley War
*Weinstein-Hassan feud.
The problem is the Weinsteins didn’t know they were in a feud.

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Simple,,,,,,,,,,,,why are you belittling people who live in trailers????? Usually poor folks live in trailers and I thought the Demo party was a party for the poor people. You demos should not make fun of the poor who live in trailers. By the way are you one of those who hate Christians and love Muslims? I know you won’t answer this, demos have a hard time with difficult questions.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 9:57 AM

fortify the trailer

Don’t need to, scorched earth isn’t just a history lesson, it’s an active perimeter reaction force scenario.

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 9:58 AM

blah blah blah blah moronic banter blah blah blah
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM

STFU blithering idiot…

MechEng5by5 on November 6, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Wow, redneck rage!
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 7:56 AM

Yes, I see it makes you pee your pants. You haven’t even BEGUN to see redneck rage! Go back to your sewing machine and finish making that dress. Or since we all know that typing the words “redneck rage” is such a turn-on for you,go get your inflatable doll…

lovingmyUSA on November 6, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Hey, simpleton do you work directly for the National Socialist Democrat Party or are you a free-lance moron?

Did they train you or are you a natural born A$$hole?

Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Yes, I see it makes you pee your pants. You haven’t even BEGUN to see redneck rage! lovingmyUSA on November 6, 2009 at 9:59 AM

No? I can’t wait then. Will it be on in HD?

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM

For those who like the Dean here I have another question. When the USA occupies these muslim nations and infuriates muslims then why are the muslims upset in the Phillipines??? We don’t have bases there anymore and I just don’t understand why the Muslims are upset when they are so far from Israel and other occupied nations.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Texas kills more people per cap then any other state. They even beat Virginia.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:34 AM

I have to say that I’m one of the few conservatives that is against the death penalty because I think that Only God has the right to judge. This guy, OTOH; makes it real hard for me to stay true to my belief. These are the type of guys that makes me pine for the days of the chain gangs and other forms of hard labor. Let him live, but let him suffer every damn day he’s alive!

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Did they train you or are you a natural born A$$hole?

Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Some people are born A$$holes, some people have A$$holes thrust upon them, however the simple pie man is a self made man.

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Simple,,,,,,,,,,,,why are you belittling people who live in trailers????? Usually poor folks live in trailers and I thought the Demo party was a party for the poor people. You demos should not make fun of the poor who live in trailers. By the way are you one of those who hate Christians and love Muslims? I know you won’t answer this, demos have a hard time with difficult questions.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Dems only care about poor people of color. Problem is that poor white people STILL take care of themselves without sucking on the Gov’t teat. Dems can’t approve of that kind of behavior.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM

have to say that I’m one of the few conservatives that is against the death penalty because I think that Only God has the right to judge. This guy, OTOH; makes it real hard for me to stay true to my belief. These are the type of guys that makes me pine for the days of the chain gangs and other forms of hard labor. Let him live, but let him suffer every damn day he’s alive!

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM
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He will be killed in prison unless he is locked up in solitary confinement for his whole life. Either way, I’d be satisfied.

I’m thinking being locked up in a small room for 23 hours a day for the next 30-40 years having only yourself to talk to is possibly worse than death

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Simple about the poor people living in trailers??? waiting for your answer.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Doorgunner on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

Thankyou, that was well-said!

lovingmyUSA on November 6, 2009 at 10:08 AM

That’s some klassy talk. I can see why the baby dady decided to rent, not buy.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Don’t get mad because you haven’t gotten laid yet and your biological clock is ticking, crusty ass heifer.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

How is the whitewash coming along?

BL@KBIRD on November 6, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Don’t get mad because you haven’t gotten laid yet and your biological clock is ticking, crusty ass heifer.
RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:10 AM

I’m not mad. You’re the one who should be mad (at the babydaddy).

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Simple about the poor people living in trailers??? waiting for your answer.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 10:07 AM
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You will be ignored for speaking truth to power fools.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I worked with a Muslim – he got time off just like the rest of us and got paid for ALL OF OUR RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS (Christmas, Good Friday) and he ALSO was allowed to take off and get PAID for HIS holidays! Isn’t anyone paying attention or is the majority in this country athiests or already Muslims?

brendy on November 6, 2009 at 4:21 AM

There are paid Christian holidays in the US, i.e., Christmas, for everybody regardless of religion. People of other religions, i.e., Jewish or Muslim, are allowed to take off their holidays and get paid with their own vacation or personal days they have accumulated. There is nothing wrong with how they choose to use their paid time off.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:14 AM

I’m not mad. You’re the one who should be mad (at the babydaddy).

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Your baby daddy talk is all you have for me? What a complete and utter loser. You get no Klass from me, cruddy skank.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Did they train you or are you a natural born A$$hole?
Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Some people are born A$$holes, some people have A$$holes thrust upon them, however the simple pie man is a self made man.
Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Yes, I would have to agree – being an A$$hole is it’s one and only talent.

Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Your baby daddy talk is all you have for me? What a complete and utter loser. You get no Klass from me, cruddy skank.
RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Is that all? Well, considering that you have terms like ‘skank’ and ‘heifer’ and i have actual evidence of your trashy lifeystyle, I’d say that is enough. Kisses to the ‘hubby’!

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Simple,Simple you are as bad as John Kerry, he couldn’t answer his what would he do in Iraq either. What is it with lefties, they can’t answer but only make personal attacks. By the way Simple I know lots of minorities who live in trailers, the Demos better not make fun of them.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM

I have to say that I’m one of the few conservatives that is against the death penalty because I think that Only God has the right to judge. This guy, OTOH; makes it real hard for me to stay true to my belief. These are the type of guys that makes me pine for the days of the chain gangs and other forms of hard labor. Let him live, but let him suffer every damn day he’s alive!

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

This is the kind of big tent I like. I can respect your position, and agree to disagree.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM

John Kerry took his boat to the middle of the river and hid.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM

What evidence do you have? The voices in your head? That’s not evidence–that’s an urgent need for free psychiatric services at your local ghetto clinic. Get hoppin’.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM

What evidence do you have? The voices in your head? That’s not evidence–that’s an urgent need for free psychiatric services at your local ghetto clinic. Get hoppin’.
RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:23 AM

I don’t blame you for lying. I would be ashamed too.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:24 AM

I don’t blame you for lying. I would be ashamed too.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:24 AM

And I don’t blame a bitter heifer for being in denial of her slovenly, empty existence.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM

And I don’t blame a bitter heifer for being in denial of her slovenly, empty existence.
RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Yes, yes. I understand your anger too. There must be a lot of resentment.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:27 AM

The troll is flaming on multiple threads.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 10:27 AM

He is flaming but unable to answer, so he is worthless as a debator.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Yes, yes. I understand your anger too. There must be a lot of resentment.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Let’s talk resentment. Who’s the one on the forum stalking threads to no end, trying to be cute, snarky and insulting strangers? The bitter heifer. It’s apparent you have mental issues with people who disagree with you. That’s definitively pathological. I pity you.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Wait a second…simplesimon is female?

Emily M. on November 6, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Gotta go Simple and another day can be answered without any answer from a demo. Keep your personal attacks, thats about all you can do.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Let’s talk resentment. Who’s the one on the forum stalking threads to no end, trying to be cute, snarky and insulting strangers? The bitter heifer. It’s apparent you have mental issues with people who disagree with you. That’s definitively pathological. I pity you.
RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM

I merely pointed out that you really shouldn’t be throwing stones given your lifestyle choice. That’s all. I don’t call people nasty names like ‘skank’ and ‘heifer’ and use obscenities.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM

simplesimon is a woman.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I merely pointed out that you really shouldn’t be throwing stones given your lifestyle choice. That’s all. I don’t call people nasty names like ’skank’ and ‘heifer’ and use obscenities.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Let’s not talk lifestyle, please…stalking heifer. If you truly had a life of substance, would you be here in the first place dry-humping race fans day in and out? I thinks not. Me thinks it’s time you put a personals ad in your local paper. Or maybe you can meet a friend at that free psychiatric clinic.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Wow…that somehow makes it all the more pathetic.

Emily M. on November 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM

simplesimon is a woman.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:34 AM

A barely discernible one at that under all those folds of flesh and crud.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM

HA longtime users…lets email Ed,Allah,and MM asking that this douchebag troll simplesimon be banned and all privileges revoked so we can get back to real debate and discussion.

ed@hotair.com
allah@hotair.com
michelle@hotair.com

MechEng5by5 on November 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

I’m thinking being locked up in a small room for 23 hours a day for the next 30-40 years having only yourself to talk to is possibly worse than death

+1. No books, no TV, no windows. A bed and a bucket. The only thing to read are the crime reports on your actions and letters from family members of those killed or wounded. A vegetarian no-salt diet and forced exercise for 45 minutes a day to keep him healthy well into his 80s.

rogerb on November 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I’m thinking being locked up in a small room for 23 hours a day for the next 30-40 years having only yourself to talk to is possibly worse than death

+1. No books, no TV, no windows. A bed and a bucket. The only thing to read are the crime reports on your actions and letters from family members of those killed or wounded. A vegetarian no-salt diet and forced exercise for 45 minutes a day to keep him healthy well into his 80s.

rogerb on November 6, 2009 at 10:40 AM

That doesn’t happen. It will never happen. Even at Florence ADX, time and behavior earns them privileges and eventually a transfer out to a less restrictive, i.e., medium security prison.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:44 AM

HA longtime users…lets email Ed,Allah,and MM asking that this douchebag troll simplesimon be banned and all privileges revoked so we can get back to real debate and discussion.

ed@hotair.com
allah@hotair.com
michelle@hotair.com

MechEng5by5 on November 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

I’m not into banning people just because I don’t agree with them. This isn’t littlegreenfootballs. If she crosses the line, then give her the boot, but until then ignore her.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM

That doesn’t happen. It will never happen

Agreed, and we’re worse for it. As the psychiatrist would know, a lifetime of boredom and retrospection is worse than a controlled nap-time death sentence.

rogerb on November 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM

HA longtime users…lets email Ed,Allah,and MM asking that this douchebag troll simplesimon be banned and all privileges revoked so we can get back to real debate and discussion.

ed@hotair.com
allah@hotair.com
michelle@hotair.com

MechEng5by5 on November 6, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Normally I’d agree as I can’t stand him. But I hate getting anyone tossed. The absolute great thing about this site is that you can actually speak on a “more adult level” and not have the speech police busting in and tossing you for a purposely misspelled word that might get you tossed somewhere else. Also, weren’t people in here complaining/commenting about another site where the owner supposedly has gone off the deep end and tosses people for their views. Wouldn’t we be doing the same thing? I’d just hope that one could get the technology that AOL had in the chat rooms years ago, where you could censor the person, individually, if you wished.

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM

simplesimon is a woman.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Have they caught you spying in the HA troll restroom again, Blake?

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM

I don’t call people nasty names like ’skank’ and ‘heifer’ and use obscenities.
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:31

You may not use those specific terms, but you have no problem throwing around insults. The morality card you are trying to play is repugnant.

Name calling is what children do. Come to the table with rational thoughts and debate like an adult. If not, go tend to your flock.

rukiddingme on November 6, 2009 at 10:50 AM

I merely pointed out that you really shouldn’t be throwing stones given your lifestyle choice. That’s all. I don’t call people nasty names like ’skank’ and ‘heifer’ and use obscenities.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM

no, precious, just “redneck” and “race fan”, and “teabagger” and you meant it all in a nice way

runner on November 6, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Heifer? Ohhh, heifer! You done playing with me or did you stomp outta the house in a rage over to the nearby Wawa’s to to buy up the Entenmann’s display?

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 10:50 AM

That doesn’t happen. It will never happen. Even at Florence ADX, time and behavior earns them privileges and eventually a transfer out to a less restrictive, i.e., medium security prison.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Leavenworth is a bit different.

Jason Coleman on November 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM

What’s the matter, did your inflatable doll develope a leak, or did you? Don’t blame us for your “malfunction” “dysfunction”. We can’t help it if you can’t get it up while typing the words “redneck rage”.

lovingmyUSA on November 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Agreed, and we’re worse for it. As the psychiatrist would know, a lifetime of boredom and retrospection is worse than a controlled nap-time death sentence.

rogerb on November 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Nope. Very few prisoners waive their right to appeal and accept a death sentence. They fight tooth and nail to live. People adapt quite well in prison. And since they all have a chance at being transferred to less restrictive surroundings where they can exercise, watch television, have visits, read books, and have a job – their lives are not more boring than the average person. Execution is the ultimate punishment.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

I am with the defenders of Free Speech. Even crappy stupid speech. Looking at you simplesimon.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Don’t be mean. It must be hell being an enormous woman who even the farm animals want nothing to do with.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM

This is the kind of big tent I like. I can respect your position, and agree to disagree.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Thank you. But there is a method to my madness. These are the shovel ready jobs I can agree with. Instead of paying excessive amounts to house inmate, put them to work to earn their room and board.

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Texas should handle the prosecution.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 10:54 AM

I don’t think we can. It happened on Federal land to federal employees so it would probably be strictly a federal case.

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Texas should handle the prosecution.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 10:54 AM

UCMJ can be strict, and a military prison isn’t like a regular prison. I have been inside one, and no it wasn’t like that. It’s close to what mizflame98 suggested.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM

One exception–”The Dean”–he called our soldiers babykillers and rapists. He should get his a$$ banned! If people were banned for calling Michelle O a bad name–Dean should be also!
I TAKE EXCEPTION WHEN OUR SOLDIERS ARE CALLED NAMES!!!

lovingmyUSA on November 6, 2009 at 10:59 AM

I have to say that I’m one of the few conservatives that is against the death penalty because I think that Only God has the right to judge. This guy, OTOH; makes it real hard for me to stay true to my belief. These are the type of guys that makes me pine for the days of the chain gangs and other forms of hard labor. Let him live, but let him suffer every damn day he’s alive!

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM

I am a conservative that is for the death penalty because I think God as already judged murder and reveals in the Bible that murder deserves the death penalty administered by the governing authorities. On the particular issue of the death penalty on which we differ I endorse DFCtomm’s comment to you about the comment I quoted from you:

This is the kind of big tent I like. I can respect your position, and agree to disagree.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Basil Fawlty on November 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM

I don’t think we can. It happened on Federal land to federal employees so it would probably be strictly a federal case.

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM

I think there’s a option for both the military and Texas to get a crack at him. He did murder military personnel on a military base and he’s military himself.

He also murdered a civilian police officer and attempted to murder at least one other.

Let the military court martial him and sentence him to Leavenworth, then hand him over to Texas for a civilian prosecution.

Jason Coleman on November 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I heard they had an infinite supply of M & M’s.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 10:47 AM

One exception–”The Dean”–he called our soldiers babykillers and rapists. He should get his a$$ banned! If people were banned for calling Michelle O a bad name–Dean should be also!
I TAKE EXCEPTION WHEN OUR SOLDIERS ARE CALLED NAMES!!!

lovingmyUSA on November 6, 2009 at 10:59 AM

I didn’t know that!! We’ll I agree 100% Get him out of here!

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

One exception–”The Dean”–he called our soldiers babykillers and rapists. He should get his a$$ banned! If people were banned for calling Michelle O a bad name–Dean should be also!
I TAKE EXCEPTION WHEN OUR SOLDIERS ARE CALLED NAMES!!!

lovingmyUSA on November 6, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Yes some of the stuff “the dean” posted last night might warrant a ban.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

That is true. He can be prosecuted by both. I know of an armed robber who was prosecuted by civilian and Military authorities.

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I didn’t know that!! We’ll I agree 100% Get him out of here!

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM

He was commenting right before we flipped over 4k. Around page 39 or so.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 11:05 AM

…It was pre-traumatic stress, I tell you.
Southpaw on November 6, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Perspicacious of you, Southpaw, and I mean that sincerely.

marybel on November 6, 2009 at 11:05 AM

That doesn’t happen. It will never happen. Even at Florence ADX, time and behavior earns them privileges and eventually a transfer out to a less restrictive, i.e., medium security prison.

Blake on November 6, 2009 at 10:44 AM
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My point is that if he is NOT in solitary, he will be killed by inmates.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 11:08 AM

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