Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.


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Are we so politically correct that we look the other way when all these signs are right there?
ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

afraid so…we are going to PC the US to oblivion if we don’t watch it…

cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:22 AM

From Michelle Malkin’s main site, more information:

From AP:

His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.

Nothing to see here..move along…….

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

Remember, this guy was part of the medical staff at a VA hospital, the next time some lefty fool in here tells you the VA care is great and not to worry about government run care.

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 8:24 AM

I encourage anyone who hasnt read Michelle’s report this morning to go there NOW and read it. It is really frightening but we are bringing this on ourselves by turning blind eyes to the pattern. They are telling us very clearly about their intentions and we are choosing to dismiss it. As our death toll mounts.

In case you dont know:

michellemalkin.com

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Political correctness got these soldiers killed.

alwaysright43 on November 6, 2009 at 8:25 AM

From those whose esteem arises only from mockery, not achievement. From those who’ve never worn the uniform, only the current fashion. From those for whom no cause is worthy of an inglorious death preceded by a humble life, only the life of self.

Doorgunner on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

Easy there, Walt Whitman.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:26 AM

afraid so…we are going to PC the US to oblivion if we don’t watch it…
cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:22 AM
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When I first heard about it,my first thought was,okay what’s his name and what’s his religion? No,now idiots like s/pretty boy,smith sounding like he wants to give the guy GROUP HUGS!

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 8:27 AM

Michelle’s post also has the current occupant of the White House’s remarks yesterday. I encourage everyone to view it.

Then read all her posting. We are doomed unless we WAKE UP.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Not my President. Not now or ever. He is merely the filthy lying coward infesting the White House and controlling the government.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Simplesimon,

You realize that the only time a redneck is dangerous IS when you try to take their guns away from them?!

For the most part they are chill, and oftentimes helpful people. Like whey you get your VW Golf stuck in a field and a friendly group of rednecks come along and help dig, and pull you out.

or

When you want to make some great BBQ, the best recipes come from rednecks! Yes, its hard to understand what they are saying, but with an official redneck translator everything becomes much clearer!

You just have to open your mind to understand their culture!

:)

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:28 AM

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 8:27 AM

*shudder*

cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:29 AM

Why did the military not dismiss this guy? There were red flags all over him. He would not get a security clearance anywhere working in DC. Then how was he able to remain a Major?

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Chris Wallace on FOX right now speaking some truths!

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:33 AM

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Please, don’t try to be nice or reasonable with this diseased mind and bigoted miserable POS.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 8:34 AM

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:26 AM

In half a years time, I’ll be at Ft. Hood; and from there to Iraq. I couldn’t be taking it any easier; for I know the man who campaigned on withdrawal has got my back.

No, really, it’s no big deal. I thrive on it.

And you need to reread the first line of my post.

Doorgunner on November 6, 2009 at 8:34 AM

hmmmmmmm his parents were immigrants from “Palestine”?

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM

So sick and tired of the pussyfooting going on by the officials and those in the media.

The dude shouted out Allahu Akbar before he started.

He is a terrorist.

This was a terrorist attack inside one of our Military Installations by an enemy of the United States.

James on November 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

From those whose esteem arises only from mockery, not achievement. From those who’ve never worn the uniform, only the current fashion. From those for whom no cause is worthy of an inglorious death preceded by a humble life, only the life of self.
Doorgunner on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

simpleton on November 6, 2009 at 8:26 AM

Clearly, simpleton is the face of the National Socialist Democrat Party, an ignorant fool that doesn’t even have the good sense to even read something before making a comment on it.

Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

http://www.revolutionmuslim.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519:an-officer-a-a-gentleman&catid=1:yousefalkhattab&Itemid=4

This website glorifies the murders & the murderer and says the dead soldiers are all in hell right now. What can I do to report this as a hate site? Anyone have a link or phone number????

Ris4victory on November 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

CIA complained after Clinton’s administration their loss of human intelligence in the Middle East. Evidently during the Bush administration, everyone was told to bend over backwards to promote Muslims within the Intelligence and Military community.

The Obama Administration consistently granted Muslims and Islam favored religion [state] status.

Mr. Obama is the radical Left, ACORN, UNION, ACLU, CAIR and global governance Potus. This blood is on their hands. Pres.Obama is responsible.

IMPEACH OBAMA

maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

You use redneck like some sort of insult.

True rednecks are hard-working Americans who do what they need to do to raise a family and stay off government entitlement programs. I’m not a redneck but I don’t see why you think this is some sort of stinging remark.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Doorgunner on November 6, 2009 at 8:34 AM

WE have your back! Thank you for my Freedom and your service. God Bless you and keep you safe!

AND, we WILL take back control of this country in 2010. We will NOT allow the current occupant of the White House to abandon our military. There ARE people in DC who will FIGHT for YOU too.
And next year there will be MORE.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Come and take them.

Sorry if we haven’t accepted our elected officials as overlords. You enjoy being a sheep and a slave, unable to assert your independence and freedom.

MadisonConservative on November 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Who’s going to do the taking? You?

It’s funny that you think you can insult people so much that they will submit to your agenda just by the power of the fact that you call them “rednecks”. Can you show me a place in history where that strategy has worked instead of backfiring and hardening opposition?

It’s gonna take more than words, punk. Make your move.

venividivici on November 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

afraid so…we are going to PC the US to oblivion if we don’t watch it…
cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:22 AM

Great Britain…here we come!

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Why did the military not dismiss this guy? There were red flags all over him. He would not get a security clearance anywhere working in DC. Then how was he able to remain a Major?

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Why was he under FBI investigation for six months due to his internet postings, but no formal investigation was opened and no search warrant was issued for his computer? And how far up the ladder did this information go? And if not to the top, why not? Who in the FBI made those decisions, or didn’t make any decisions?

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Don’t let your blatant racism distort reality. Is it even possible for someone to be more racist than your run-of-the-mill leftist?

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

hmmmmmmm his parents were immigrants from “Palestine”?

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM

I think it was Jordan.

But that does not make them automatically muslim. There are Catholics, and Christians in Jordan as well. I know several who came to the states so they could enjoy religious freedom, and actually have dogs without their neighbors killing them.

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

Why did the military not dismiss this guy? There were red flags all over him. He would not get a security clearance anywhere working in DC. Then how was he able to remain a Major?
nyx on November 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Political Correctness. Welcome to England.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

Come and take them.

MadisonConservative on November 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

lol…great imagery. A hard rifle butt to the jaw should set this POS straight. Probably knock the neurosis right outta the brain.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM

Hey Simplesimon,

Please, I invite you to come take my guns away.

mountainmanbob on November 6, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

You sir have an appropriate blog name. A true Sean Penn lover for sure.

flyoverboy on November 6, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Not even Hitler waterboarded his enemies, though I believe the Japanese did, and the Nazis did many regrettable things in their own right.

But I’m all about Thomas Jefferson and liberty, freedom, and peace. This isn’t about Germany.

The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 2:28 AM

Yeah, Hitler opted for Zyklon B instead of a little water. Japanese water boarding was what the name says. They would force people to drink copious amounts of water until they bellies are distended and then smack said distended bellies with boards.
What we did was a frat initiation stunt that couldn’t be that bad if protesters use the same techniques to demonstrate so-called torture. Would a person protest the torture style of Al-Qaeda by demonstrating the methods found in their book? Of course not. No one would torture their own associate just to prove a point.
Listen folks, this site needs a better class of troll. Obviously ol’ Dino here is not all that bright and knows little about history and the atrocities of despots. Instead of letting him get you all upset, just ignore him or slowly explain the truth to someone as educationally challenged as he. The things he says is not worth the ire he stirs in you.

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:42 AM

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM

I should have clarified my thought there. I was thinking of his “cousin”‘s interview with Shep Smith yesterday. The “cousin” kept saying he had always been a muslim (there were reports early he was a convert) and his family was muslim. I got the Palestine info from Michelle’s column on her main site.Lots of information in it.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Hey,

Did I miss an HA open registration recently? The troll to poster ratio has gone way up.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:13 AM

Dunno. But I am pretty sure that a culling of some stomach-turning soulless vermin is long past due and sorely neglected by our esteemed hosts.

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Hey Simplesimon,

Please, I invite you to come take my guns away.

mountainmanbob on November 6, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Simplepinata couldn’t take a box of cookies away from a girl scout.

Aviator on November 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Sorry if we haven’t accepted our elected officials as overlords. You enjoy being a sheep and a slave, unable to assert your independence and freedom.

MadisonConservative on November 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Freedom and Liberty are incompatible to the Leftist agenda. So they seek to take it away. Fortunately for us, liberals are weak-kneed fools who would run away screaming come judgement day. They’d piss they’re pants staring down the barrel of a gun. They’ve never seen a real gun and have been brainwashed into thinking only right-wing whackadoos use them.

Black people, Latino people, Muslims, none of them ever use a gun and the only reason they do is because of the rich white man.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:38 AM

what’s the US equivalent to Londonistan?

cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM

what’s the US equivalent to Londonistan?

Detroitistan

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Who in the FBI made those decisions, or didn’t make any decisions?

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM

The DHS is overlord to the FBI. Napolitano and “Justice” Dept. Attorney General are all involved in assessing what is to be done with information the FBI and CIA gather, what to dismiss. This all falls on Pres.Obama.

maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Why was he under FBI investigation for six months due to his internet postings, but no formal investigation was opened and no search warrant was issued for his computer? And how far up the ladder did this information go? And if not to the top, why not? Who in the FBI made those decisions, or didn’t make any decisions?
Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM
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I’d love to see heads roll starting AT THE TOP on this one!

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Report from Ft Hood live on Fox right now.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Detroitistan

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM
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You aint lying. I want thinking LosAngelestan

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

thanks!

cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Black people, Latino people, Muslims, none of them ever use a gun and the only reason they do is because of the rich white man.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Our soldiers are by no means wealthy.

maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

what’s the US equivalent to Londonistan?

cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Hamtramckstan

Aviator on November 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Are we so politically correct that we look the other way when all these signs are right there?
ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

Well, yes, we are. Now ask yourself this question. What do you think the big story would be today if the shooter had been in any way associated with some right wing Christian group? How about if he had been identified as a devout Jew? Do you think the narrative would still be that his motive is just impossible to figure out?

Yeah, me neither.

MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Usually more specific: Dearbornistan.

( i don’t know how to spell it )

gh on November 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

That’s a very funny statement since we have Maj.Malik Nadal Hasan commit mass murder on a millitary base. BTW, what kind of redneck name is Malik Nadal Hasan anyway?

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Our soldiers are by no means wealthy.

maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM
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My bad, I sit corrected.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

gh on November 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM

good point

cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

simplesimon, capitulus, Deb Frisch, Debbie Schlussel, Skippy, simpleton, or whoever or whatever the He@@ you are –
This is not the time for your crap. Our best and brightest have been murdered by another follower of “the religion of peace”. Calling us all race fans and rednecks may make you feel better about your miserable little life, but it accomplishes nothing. You and your Dear Leader have a lot in common. You are both insufferable narcissists who bloviate incessantly. Either add something worthwhile to the thread of go away.

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Black people, Latino people, Muslims, none of them ever use a gun and the only reason they do is because of the rich white man.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Uh, you can’t have it both ways. Either they never use guns or they do use guns. Which is it?

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.
simpleton on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Didn’t you get the memo?

The National Socialist Democrat Party wants to keep mum any talks of confiscating guns until the Right Moment, or ‘Crisis’ as they say.

Most assuredly you National Socialist’s can’t deal with people being able defend themselves from those that are trying to level the playing field on their own instead of letting the National Socialist Democrat Party do that for them – otherwise known as Criminals.

We all know that you National Socialist’s will take advantage of every crisis and chip away at our god-given right, but just keep quiet like most in your party until it’s time to spring it at the right time.

Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM

That’s a very funny statement since we have Maj.Malik Nadal Hasan commit mass murder on a millitary base. BTW, what kind of redneck name is Malik Nadal Hasan anyway?

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM
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You don’t get it. It’s ok for a minority to shoot up dozens of people, you have to cater to him and make sure he is well cared for and we must be respectful for his thoughts and feelings since his elevated-stress factor obviously made him do something completely out of his control and character.

Us white people must be put to death simply for our thoughts.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Do you think the narrative would still be that his motive is just impossible to figure out?
Yeah, me neither.
MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM
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You know,funny thing,I knew that wasn’t the case.I thought about the muslim soldier who shot fellow soldiers in Iraq I believe a few years ago.I hope people like Malkin keep on singing baby.

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

or = or
too mad to type

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Uh, you can’t have it both ways. Either they never use guns or they do use guns. Which is it?

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM
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Exactly my point, you get it. Either that, or you’re just being a nitpicky dumbass.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:53 AM

I’d like to take a minute to actually compliment one of our regular irritants. starfleet dude was very good about posting links for updates during the early part of the thread which was very helpful for folks who didn’t have the capability. And even weirder he reassured us that for the most part the people at DKos were supportive in their comments about this tragedy. It is comforting to know that when there are bad times that most of us really can come together.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Political correctness has as much blood on it’s hands as Hassan and islam do.

wildcat84

All too true, unfortunately.

beachgirlusa on November 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Completely agree. Glad you said it because I’m not directing any more posts to that POS directly. Not gonna be a source of cheap thrills for the embittered spinster.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM

http://www.revolutionmuslim.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519:an-officer-a-a-gentleman&catid=1:yousefalkhattab&Itemid=4
This website glorifies the murders & the murderer and says the dead soldiers are all in hell right now. What can I do to report this as a hate site? Anyone have a link or phone number????
Ris4victory on November 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Please don’t click on that link unless you have your cookies disabled and a malware program running.

batterup on November 6, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM

It’s call the healhcare bill. Gun ownership, if it isn’t already; will be considered a health issue and eventually deemed as a health crisis.

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

What is really unbelievable is that here we have people who are highly trained and disciplined and are relied upon to defend the nation with all manner of weaponry -

And we don’t even allow them to carrying a sidearm to defend themselves here like a fair number of civilians with CCW permits.

Un-freakin-believable.

Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Uh, you can’t have it both ways. Either they never use guns or they do use guns. Which is it?

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM
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Exactly my point, you get it. Either that, or you’re just being a nitpicky dumbass.

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:53 AM

DUH!

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:59 AM

what’s the US equivalent to Londonistan?
Detroitistan
labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM

No Detroit, with unemployment over 25%, is more akin to an area where tribal warfare has replaced the rule of law.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:00 AM

uknowmorethanme on November 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

We witness again that cowardly lone wolf saboteurs never have the guts to actually target a “rich” white man. 9/11 was an organized effort directed by al Qaeda. Regardless of wealth, we see radical Islamics attack women, children and unarmed men. Hasan idealized the HOMICIDE bomber. The medical doctor’s oath is FIRST, DO NO HARM. Hasan is a murderer of the very men and women (unarmed victims) that he was assigned to heal emotionally and psychologically.

Goes to show AGAIN, “suicide” bomber promotes sympathy for the murderer.

This ALL rests on President Obama. And Obama’s response will be to pull out of the Middle East, according to the murdering Hasan saboteur demand.

Impeach Obama. His administration sabotages America. He permitted Hasan to perform this atrocity at Ft. Hood.

maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Redneck-is generally believed to derive from individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime.

I’m a redneck with a farmers tan. I am proud of the things I’ve grown and built.

I’m proud of the things I’ve done to help those not as fortunate as me.

I’m proud of the time I’ve donated to local organizations.

I’m proud of my country and my heritage.

I’m proud of my Nebraska roots and Texas upbringing.

I’ll put my accomplishments for the future of my country up against yours any time and invite you to come take my guns away.

cozmo on November 6, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Please don’t click on that link unless you have your cookies disabled and a malware program running.
batterup on November 6, 2009 at 8:57 AM

I for one wouldn’t click on that site anyway. Do you really want these people to have your information?

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 9:01 AM

That’s a very funny statement since we have Maj.Malik Nadal Hasan commit mass murder on a millitary base. BTW, what kind of redneck name is Malik Nadal Hasan anyway?

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

I think the Southern hASSans is very common to kinfolk living south of the triple-mosque-built-on-top-temples-after-you-capture-and-exterminate-all-the-jooos line.

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 9:02 AM

You use redneck like some sort of insult.

+1. If actively avoiding being so specialized and metrosexualized to the point of having to rely on everyone else do everything for you other than your single worker-bee job is redneck, then insult away. Most rednecks can wire their shop for lights after they’ve already re-shingled their house and replaced the radiator out in their truck instead of wasting resources and buying a new one. Not to mention all of the growing, canning, and cleaning of their own food. Or knowing and holding firearms close at hand to deter nonsense like this travesty. We need more rednecks. Many more.

rogerb on November 6, 2009 at 9:04 AM

You realize that the only time a redneck is dangerous IS when you try to take their guns away from them?!

You just have to open your mind to understand their culture!

:)

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Hey, you’re not s’pos’d ta be givin’ out th’ sekrets.

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 9:05 AM

You know,funny thing,I knew that wasn’t the case.I thought about the muslim soldier who shot fellow soldiers in Iraq I believe a few years ago.I hope people like Malkin keep on singing baby.
ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Yup. And I’d guess when it was learned late last night the he was still alive, there were some very nervous Imams and other’s with who he shared his faith. Wonder if any of them have left the country yet.

MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 9:05 AM

SimpleDOLTsimon is more than welcome to come for my guns….no problem. You just have to get by Ruger and Ranger, my 2 Belgian Malinois : )

EagleClaw on November 6, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Do they yell Allahu Akbar before shootin’ at squirrel and possum?

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM

kingsjester on November 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM

You are too kind.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Exactly.

Avoid providing a wild fire with oxygen. Smother the flame.

maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM

The media and you know who they are are in part responsible
for the deaths and wounded in this case.

lilium on November 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM

http://www.revolutionmuslim.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519:an-officer-a-a-gentleman&catid=1:yousefalkhattab&Itemid=4

This website glorifies the murders & the murderer and says the dead soldiers are all in hell right now. What can I do to report this as a hate site? Anyone have a link or phone number????

Ris4victory on November 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Good news, they’re in Washington. http://whois.org/whois/revolutionmuslim.com

selias on November 6, 2009 at 9:08 AM

It’s call the healthcare bill. Gun ownership, if it isn’t already; will be considered a health issue and eventually deemed as a health crisis.
mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM

I have no doubt about that – that’s why healthcare is the holly grail to the National Socialist’s, they control that, they pretty much control everything.

My guess is that if simpleton can’t read a posting before making a fool of itself, it can’t read a memo from the National Socialist party about keeping quiet about gun confiscations.

Maybe we all should send in a complaint to the NSDP about their atrocious lack of Troll intelligence.

Insert witty screen name here on November 6, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Yup. And I’d guess when it was learned late last night the he was still alive, there were some very nervous Imams and other’s with who he shared his faith. Wonder if any of them have left the country yet.

MikeA on November 6, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Ooo! That is an excellent thought!!

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 9:08 AM

what’s the US equivalent to Londonistan?
cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Google Dearbornistan… it’s Malkin approved. It’s the home of would-be jihadist (currently dirt-napping), Luqman Ameen Abdullah.

The local campus is U-Michigan, home of noxious Islamo-fascism apologist, Juan Cole. They have a lively MSA. The campus newspaper’s resident taqiyalope is Imran Syed, who suffers Mo-cartoon-ophobia.

JihadWatch has lots more.

Terp Mole on November 6, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Do they yell Allahu Akbar before shootin’ at squirrel and possum?

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Yell? What fur? You wanna spook the critter or sumpin?

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM

The only question I have is, why is this SOB still alive?

GFW on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM

SimpleDOLTsimon is more than welcome to come for my guns….no problem.

EagleClaw on November 6, 2009 at 9:06 AM

You don’t understand. She doesn’t want what’s in your gun cabinet. She wants what’s in your pants, but unfortunately, the last time she tried to pick up a redneck at the bar, he wound up tying a rope around her neck and hauling her 300 pound ass to his heifer pen.

RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Allahu Akbar


Aloha, Barack

Go tell it on the mountain, Obama let Hasan kill us.

Let the kiddies sing that one.

Islamic home grown terrorism required prosecution stateside sooner than later, Mr. President.

maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Let the kiddies sing that one.
maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM

mmm, mmm, mmm…. Malik Nadal Hasan

Terp Mole on November 6, 2009 at 9:14 AM

“A person behind counter stood up, and he said, ‘Allah Akbar!’ And just opened up on everybody”

Jerricho68 on November 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Terp Mole on November 6, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Since the murderer survived, Obama will invite him to the White House for a much publicized beer in the garden, if not overnight in the Lincoln bedroom.

maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM

You don’t understand. She doesn’t want what’s in your gun cabinet. She wants what’s in your pants, but unfortunately, the last time she tried to pick up a redneck at the bar, he wound up tying a rope around her neck and hauling her 300 pound ass to his heifer pen.
RepubChica

SWEET!

EagleClaw on November 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Obama Sighed, Troops Died.

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM

More from the “Religion of Peace”.
Maybe one day we’ll learn.
What’s the idiot Rosie’s stance?
Didn’t she say we Christians were going to be doing this type of thing?
If I were a parent of one of the victims I think I’d be packing my things and heading for Pakistan to go hunt a few Bin Laden disciples.

MechEng5by5 on November 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Yell? What fur? You wanna spook the critter or sumpin?

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Well, maybe they do that strange tongue leeleeleeleelee thing after they shoot a critter or when they’re feudin with them Jooos over yonder.

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.

simple – 143 on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

“Can I get me a hunting license here?” -NRA member Jeanne-Claude Kerri, 2004 Democrat “candidate” for President.

BTW, Race Fan, you seem to be afraid to talk to me about far-Leftist Paul Newman and his racing team. What’s the matter, still waiting for your talking points to get back from the cleaners?

http://www.newman-haas.com/

Del Dolemonte on November 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

The only question I have is, why is this SOB still alive?
GFW on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM

So Barry Soetoro can reassure Leftists and their Islamo-fascist allies that our military won’t torture or otherwise moisten him.

Terp Mole on November 6, 2009 at 9:20 AM

You don’t understand. She doesn’t want what’s in your gun cabinet. She wants what’s in your pants, but unfortunately, the last time she tried to pick up a redneck at the bar, he wound up tying a rope around her neck and hauling her 300 pound ass to his heifer pen.
RepubChica on November 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM

That’s some klassy talk. I can see why the baby dady decided to rent, not buy.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Awesome posting AllahP. Thank you so much for the updates.

bridgetown on November 6, 2009 at 9:24 AM

This is truly a tragedy. Do you see what political correctness, affirmative action and quotas gets us? Hindsight is obviously 20/20 but it is pretty plain to see that a radical fundamentalist muslim that was prone to poor behavior, bad OERs and conflict SHOULD be profiled, SHOULD be watched, and likely SHOULD have been separated.

The tolerance of this officer in his position after a very poor track record is unacceptable. The writing was on the wall and I’m sure that there was some astute rater or senior rater that saw that writing on the wall and penned it in his OER somewhere to CYA for an event like this. If it was clearly known that this individual had a radical past and suggested violence on fellow soldiers either in statements or web postings, then that is clear support for profiling and separation preemptively. However, we gambled and lost on this one–the burden of mental health right now is crushing and it appears as if we compromised the health and lives of soldiers to, well, help the health of soldiers.

I pray for those families of the soldiers and civilian who were brutally murdered yesterday. This is truly a national tragedy and we lost some dear, dear treasure yesterday that we should not have lost.

ted c on November 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM

feudin with them Jooos over yonder.

mizflame98 on November 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Heh. You said feud. Heh.

Blacksmith8 on November 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Since the murderer survived, Obama will invite him to the White House for a much publicized beer in the garden
maverick muse on November 6, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Good call. Barry hasn’t booked Ken Gladney, so you know there’s no line.

Terp Mole on November 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM

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