Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.


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He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues
wow
runner on November 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM
If someone did that who was not a doctor, they would have fired them.
Blake on November 5, 2009 at 11:40 PM

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Our kids CANNOT say prayer in school, can’t hold CHRISTMAS programs anymore (they call them ‘Winter’ programs now) but this gov’t provides for the Muslims to have their prayer rugs and foot baths in airports and other public places. Christians ARE BEING PERSECUTED in our own country while giving Muslims MORE rights!

I worked with a Muslim – he got time off just like the rest of us and got paid for ALL OF OUR RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS (Christmas, Good Friday) and he ALSO was allowed to take off and get PAID for HIS holidays! Isn’t anyone paying attention or is the majority in this country athiests or already Muslims?

brendy on November 6, 2009 at 4:21 AM

If religious conviction could be distilled into mere opinion, perhaps we could develop a non emotional barometer of potential real-world conflict and eliminate people from positions of consequence based on that opinion.

Sound reasonable?

Not possible in our culture. While I agree that debate over worldview is essential, to do such a thing would be tantamount to thought-persecution or thoughtcrime. As it is, the argument rests on the fundamental freedom to worship as one wishes.

The left attempts to avoid all talk of actual, specific Islamic tenants which breed this type of sentiment and inspire violence. They are loathe to equate at least some of Islam to a death cult, while quick to implicate Christianity as the real culprit of worldwide aggression and suppression. These people should never be allowed to make the final distinction between religions if they cannot keep their (political) biases out of the mix. Unfortunately, they would be the very people making the call.

What needs to be said is that we have a real problem with Islam. Clearly. It might not be all of it, but it’s damn near close. We have to call it what it is. Just because scores of people might belong to Heaven’s Gate wouldn’t make it any more legit or any less a cult of coercion and death. The question remains: what can we do?

I don’t even know what else to say. There is no real solution…

just thinking out loud. Or, type. :) Total futility.

Diane on November 6, 2009 at 4:24 AM

… little babies with their limbs blown off by Americans…that’s what turns people into terrorists, sad to say. It’s those images.
The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 AM

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You mean like the AMERICAN babies or toddlers that might have been in the twin towers on THAT day? Seems to me the Muslims didn’t care WHO were in those bldgs on THAT day!

brendy on November 6, 2009 at 4:25 AM

*#*&#@&@^*%$!!!!! Did my post get censored by my own computer? MY GOSH.
Someone tell me if my above comment has a word bleeped our (***) or if I’m just seeing that on my computer.

Diane on November 6, 2009 at 4:27 AM

I know you’re quoting, so I am not aiming this at you: I refuse to include any perpetrator among the number of those who died. It is an insult to those whom he murdered. Let this worthless trash go uncounted.

DrMagnolias on November 6, 2009 at 4:14 AM

Agreed. After reading your post, I thought I misread the article. So I re-read the article I didn’t misread it.

The accused is alive and not counted among the dead or wounded.

The number killed and wounded kept changing through the evening, but then ended with 12 killed immediately, with 31 wounded. One of the wounded has since died, making 13 killed and 30 wounded. I have not yet read whether any more of the wounded are in critical condition and may yet die of their wounds. So, unfortunately, the number may change again. I pray that it doesn’t.

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 4:29 AM

… little babies with their limbs blown off by Americans…that’s what turns people into terrorists, sad to say. It’s those images.
The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 AM

Wrong. That would be internal worldview. The same which inspires someone going through a job layoff to kill his fellow employees while his neighbor in a similar situation goes to his church to pray. Individuals make choices. People groups can be influenced, but ultimately it is a set of beliefs within said people group that will respond one way or another. It’s the philosophy, stupid.

Diane on November 6, 2009 at 4:32 AM

DrMagnolias on November 6, 2009 at 4:14 AM

Addendum: There are different reports. Some current reports are of 12 dead and 31 wounded. Other current reports are of 13 and 30. None seem to include the accused. The confusion of the reports continues.

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 4:32 AM

LOX, tell me if my post on the last page (long one) has a word censored in it.

And, Hi! :)

Diane on November 6, 2009 at 4:33 AM

Grrr!
I am starting to see on various news sites that Hasan was “harassed for his Muslim faith after Sept. 11th”, as if that is a moral excuse for him murdering 12 people. How often are Christians attacked for their beliefs? Harassed for believing an unborn Child has rights, or because some student brought a Bible to read in class? Do you see any trained in Psychology, and wholly devout Christians killing people? I highly doubt it!

If this guy had shot himself everything would have been peachy, but no! In his wonderful religion suicide is “bad”, no virgins for you! So Hassan has to attempt to “jump on the grenade” by murder and attempted suicide by Cop/MP. That way when he gets to allah it wasn’t “suicide” but jumping on the grenade (yay virgins).

Stupid!

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 4:34 AM

I can truthfully say that I once got 2 out of 100 on a French exam. Does that result qualify me as a francophone?
Basil Fawlty on November 6, 2009 at 3:44 AM

The way I understand it, if you got a low score on purpose just to stick it to them then you’re officially a francophobe; if you said you were a francophone and then got no better than a 2, you’re a “francophone-y”; but other than that you’re totally cool :-).

Sorry Brother, that makes you a frog-hater. Report to the UN for counseling.
Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 3:48 AM

… Are UN counselling sessions expensive?
Basil Fawlty on November 6, 2009 at 3:56 AM

Not to you or me – whee, they’re free! To the United States of America… well, Uncle Sam is happy to pay twenty-ump percent of the cost. That’s more than a fair price for a world free of hate.

RD on November 6, 2009 at 4:37 AM

And if you are a frog, bienvenu!

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 4:16 AM

There is no “if” about it but in my ancestor’s eyes, even as near as my dead grandfather I suppose, I would be considered an ugly duckling in that I can’t speak or read French, other than a couple of words.

Basil Fawlty on November 6, 2009 at 4:40 AM

The private sector was brought in for no good reason, we must secure our own bases here and abroad with our almighty great soldiers. They are trained for that.
Not rely on private sector not knowing backgrounds and training.
damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM

This is either someone who claims to be a Marine who isn’t or the dumbest Marine who ever lived. Yep buddy, I’m questioning your creds.

First, I can’t count on a single hand the Soldiers, Sailors, Marines or Airmen I know who think that the military could take over base security. At Ft Bragg alone, we went from being a completely open base, (save for Simmons AAF and USASOC areas) to a completely closed base the size of a county in mere months after 9-11. It would have taken 1000s of soldiers to conduct the amount of responsibilities these great Americans are doing. BTW Slappy, most of these security personnel are former military themselves. If you were a real Marine, you’d know that. If you’re trying to purport there’s some dark element to having civilian security at our bases I’m not getting it.

The fact that you come here on a threat about US Soldiers being killed and post comments that make you sound like a shill for the democratic party also make you sound hokie. If you really are a Marine, then the Corps would be very ashamed of your behavior I’m sure. You’re a disgrace.

hawkdriver on November 6, 2009 at 4:40 AM

… little babies with their limbs blown off by Americans…that’s what turns people into terrorists, sad to say. It’s those images.
The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 AM

You should not be allowed to disparage our troops with your vile slanderous lies. I vote the ban hammer on you, and am alerting AP. If we can’t call Michelle-Belle a mamilian character, then you shouldn’t be allowed to spew your hatred. I’m sure Charles at LGF has a place for you over there, with a nice big jar of vasoline to go with it. I’m sure they would welcome another hater, especially one so obsessed as you.

lovingmyUSA on November 6, 2009 at 4:46 AM

Diane on November 6, 2009 at 4:27 AM

If the operative word was “damn,” it’s there, nothing looks missing or out of place.

As far as finding a solution to Islam, it’s not futile. It’s hard. We’re opposed by fools and cowards and those that think they’ll gain by letting the West fall. But we are talking about our future generations and whether they will live in freedom or chains, in fear or peace; and Islam figures most prominently in that equation. Marxism is a close second. We have to fight. And yes, I believe the day will come when we realize that the ideology of Islam is incompatible with Liberty and American civic life, and it should be banned. It’s not a religion, it’s a profoundly destructive and malevolent ideology that needs to be eliminated from the entire West.

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 4:57 AM

little babies with their limbs blown off by Americans…that’s what turns people into terrorists, sad to say. It’s those images.
The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 AM

I guess you never see the images of al qaeda flying in helicopters and rescue vehicles to ferry off to hospitals the people in the market that are still alive after their murderous assault

thats sarcasm c&%t

Sonosam on November 6, 2009 at 5:00 AM

little babies with their limbs blown off by Americans…that’s what turns people into terrorists, sad to say. It’s those images.
The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 AM
You should not be allowed to disparage our troops with your vile slanderous lies. I vote the ban hammer on you, and am alerting AP. If we can’t call Michelle-Belle a mamilian character, then you shouldn’t be allowed to spew your hatred. I’m sure Charles at LGF has a place for you over there, with a nice big jar of vasoline to go with it. I’m sure they would welcome another hater, especially one so obsessed as you.
lovingmyUSA on November 6, 2009 at 4:46 AM

I think the Joe Pesci ending in Casino would be much better

Sonosam on November 6, 2009 at 5:02 AM

Diane on November 6, 2009 at 4:33 AM

Sorry. Off somewhere else. I don’t see a ban word in it.

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 5:08 AM

There is no “if” about it but in my ancestor’s eyes, even as near as my dead grandfather I suppose, I would be considered an ugly duckling in that I can’t speak or read French, other than a couple of words.

Basil Fawlty on November 6, 2009 at 4:40 AM

I think it’s always a shame when ancestors’ languages are lost, but the keenness depends on the closeness of the relative. When I meet young folks born in their parent’s home country and still living at home with them here yet they know not a word of French or Lingala,,,it’s sad. I figure my kids will have three languages down solid, and a fourth to a fair degree. I hope.

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 5:09 AM

… little babies with their limbs blown off by Americans…that’s what turns people into terrorists, sad to say. It’s those images.
The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 AM

Oh please there are plenty of folk working for NGO’s who work with those victims and victims of suicide bombers who don;t go postal and kill their colleagues. This guy is a freak.. pure crazy… there is no excuse for crazy.

lexhamfox on November 6, 2009 at 5:09 AM

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 4:32 AM

Had wondered whether the total had dropped to 12 after a woman originally reported deceased was actually in surgery, and is expected to recover. The conflicting reports don’t help, and they are actually making it take longer for all of this to sink in. It still hasn’t fully hit me yet but tomorrow I’m guessing the news is going to tighten up, and we will start to know with some precision what we are facing.

RD on November 6, 2009 at 5:11 AM

I think it’s reasonable to dismiss all Muslim military personnel. There’s a clear conflict of interest in asking them to fight fellow Muslims. We can’t have that security risk in the military. Let ‘em go.
JeffB. on November 6, 2009 at 12:19 AM

BS… just because the Vatican had treaties with fascists we didn’t keep Catholics from fighting WW2. They want to serve so let them… we need them despite a few going nuts.

lexhamfox on November 6, 2009 at 5:16 AM

The private sector was brought in for no good reason…

At Ft Bragg alone, we went from being a completely open base, (save for Simmons AAF and USASOC areas) to a completely closed base the size of a county in mere months after 9-11. It would have taken 1000s of soldiers to conduct the amount of responsibilities these great Americans are doing.

hawkdriver on November 6, 2009 at 4:40 AM

Thanks. I didn’t know that and couldn’t refute that particular troll lie. We need experts in everything when it comes to refuting the trolls here. Drats!

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 5:18 AM

It still hasn’t fully hit me yet but tomorrow I’m guessing the news is going to tighten up, and we will start to know with some precision what we are facing.

RD on November 6, 2009 at 5:11 AM

Tomorrow is now today. And I read that today was planned to be Obamacare day in the House. So, how the MSM and the HA trolls deal with these two stories combined is going to be interesting to watch.

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 5:20 AM

Latest Associated Press: Army post shooting rampage leaves 13 dead, 30 hurt

Military officials were starting Friday to piece together what may have pushed an Army psychiatrist trained to help soldiers in distress to turn on his comrades in a shooting rampage that killed 13 people and wounded 30 in Texas.

The suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was on a ventilator and unconscious in a hospital after being shot four times during the shootings at the Army’s sprawling Fort Hood, post officials said. In the early chaos after the shootings, authorities believed they had killed him, only to discover later that he had survived.

In Washington, a senior U.S. official said authorities at Fort Hood initially thought one of the victims who had been shot and killed was the shooter. The mistake resulted in a delay of several hours in identifying Hasan as the alleged assailant.

Authorities have not ruled out that Hasan was acting on behalf of some unidentified radical group, the official said. He would not say whether any evidence had come to light to support that theory.

And this is potentially very painful:

Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of “friendly fire,” that in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 5:32 AM

If he was that upset and afraid of hurting Muslims, why not join a civil affairs unit and nation build. I know it doesn’t matter but Iraq may be dangerous but clearly it is a nation building operation.

rob verdi on November 6, 2009 at 5:33 AM

The conflicting reports don’t help, and they are actually making it take longer for all of this to sink in

RD on November 6, 2009 at 5:11 AM

Your words are very true and another example of that truth is the NY Daily News.com’s statement:
“Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was..a man of God who defended murder…” That NYDN.com statement bears the time stamp of
“Friday, November 6th 2009, 4:00 AM”

Basil Fawlty on November 6, 2009 at 5:34 AM

lexhamfox on November 6, 2009 at 5:16 AM

Very sage words and quite correct. But PC should never keep us from IDing any soldier whose attitudes or behavior signify they have leanings that might produce results like these.

While stationed in Kuwait on one deployment, we went from just supporting unit in Kuwait to flying mission into Iraq as far as Tikrit. We had a Muslim Convert soldier that began acting rather peculiar.

1. He changed his prayer habit from a place in private to right in the middle of a crowded fez tent we were all crammed into.

2. He displayed all of his private reading material for everyone to see as if he wanted us to know what his political leanings were. (Books like Stupid White Men by Moore and a Bill Press book that was very critical of Bush.)

3. He used any comment about his behavior or reading material as an excuse to decry the treatment of muslims.

4. He talked about how easy it would be to disable one of the WING helicopters we were assigned while he was doing avionic work on it.

The Major sent his ass home and told him not to even question her motives.

He just acted spookie. It was constantly like waiting for the other shoe to drop.

hawkdriver on November 6, 2009 at 5:36 AM

And this is potentially very painful:

Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of “friendly fire,” that in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 5:32 AM

Painful indeed. That would explain such a large number of casualties attributed to an obvious incompetent with no or extremely little combat training.

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 5:39 AM

Damian made this comment to me.

hawkdriver
Non Military? Im a marine you idiot. DOnt make statements that you do not understand. I served my time right through Iraq war and did two tours.
So dont be telling me that I do not know what I am talking about.
damian1967 on November 6, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Marines capitalize Marine.

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 5:18 AM

When someone on a thread says they’re a service member or vet, I hate to be suspect. I know most folks would take that claim very seriously and I know a lot of them are proud vets. And he may be. I just do not understand his arguments. If he honestly came here tonight as a concerned Conservative Vet, he had me fooled. His whole position about being outraged at civilian security I believe was to point blame for the massacre at the Bush Administration.

Then he picked a fight with evil, mean Cindy with this comment.

Cindy Munford
Why dont like people that think for themselves rather than pulling the towing line and not thinking for myself?
damian1967 on November 6, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Well, we think he might have been picking….okay no dammit, we have no clue WTF he was trying to say.

hawkdriver on November 6, 2009 at 6:27 AM

Painful indeed. That would explain such a large number of casualties attributed to an obvious incompetent with no or extremely little combat training.

Maquis on November 6, 2009 at 5:39 AM

Please pardon me if I’ve misunderstood your comment, but one doesn’t need to be terribly competent or have any combat training to kill many, many people. We’ve seen it again and again (school shootings, mass murder in workplaces, etc.)

DrMagnolias on November 6, 2009 at 6:28 AM

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 5:32 AM

Thank you for trying to keep up with these reports–it’s confusing with all the conflicting information. I hope we get a better sense of all of it today, although it’s hard to trust the media with even the simplest tasks, such as not including the murderous trash in the casualty count.

DrMagnolias on November 6, 2009 at 6:40 AM

God Bless the good folks at Fort Hood…

cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 6:53 AM

So, he’s alive. Here is one case where I would be anti-death penalty.

I’m sure this scumbag planned to be killed at some point.

Kepp his ass alive, in solitary, with a nice ham dinner every night. No contact with anyone, no Korans.

reaganaut on November 6, 2009 at 7:02 AM

This whole thing is kind of strange because of his occupation. A psychiatrist would be the last person to go and do a suicide by soldier, and to inflict that kind of damage to others. I hate to be a conspiracy nut, but maybe this guy was some kind of “Manchurian” who was trained to go off. Brainwashed over the internet? The perp being a psychiatrist doesn’t sit right with me. I guess we’ll learn more today and that he’s just one more moonbat liberal with a gun. Liberals shouldn’t be allowed to have guns. Oswald,John Wilkes Booth, and God only knows how many others. No wonder they want gun control, they can’t handle their nut jobs……

adamsmith on November 6, 2009 at 7:08 AM

This guy is a freak.. pure crazy… there is no excuse for crazy.

lexhamfox on November 6, 2009 at 5:09 AM

Not crazy. Evil.. Let’s not medicalize this.

OhioCoastie on November 6, 2009 at 7:09 AM

… little babies with their limbs blown off by Americans…that’s what turns people into terrorists, sad to say. It’s those images.
The Dean on November 6, 2009 at 1:52 AM

Yes, and what made that happen was 5,000 deaths, men, women and children of all nations in a pair of towers. Why is it always America’s fault?

When do people get to take responsibilities for their own actions? If this guy didn’t like what was happening, we was free to leave no? Don’t you guys have exit clauses for soldiers who conscientiously object?

Hope on November 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM

Actually the fact that he is a psychaiatrist makes sense to me. Believe me some of those guys are more messed up than their patients. The good ones are cool, but just like everywhere, there are bad ones, and when a psyc is bad, it’s really bad.

I cannot get over how the MSM is just covering up the facts. This was Jihad.. plain and simple. This is what we have been concerned about all along. There is almost no way to defend against these type of attacks, because they are individual, and not dependent on outside factors.

catlady on November 6, 2009 at 7:21 AM

He’s not crazy; that’s the pc way out. His religion is crazy.

dhimwit on November 6, 2009 at 7:31 AM

The Major sent his ass home and told him not to even question her motives.
He just acted spookie. It was constantly like waiting for the other shoe to drop.
hawkdriver on November 6, 2009 at 5:36 AM

One thing is clear through all of this blather and speculation. Hasan was unfit to serve in the military and had been for some time.

An Army Officer who, by family accounts, dreaded the thought of being deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan is derelict in his duty and should have tendered his resignation years ago. Of course in this case, Hasan waited until the government had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on his education before he suddenly decides that he can’t deploy. Hasan was already in the Army on 9/11/01 and has seen the optempo and deployment possibilities for years and he was okay with that so long as he was not going anywhere but the minute he gets into a position where he can deploy he “freaks out.”

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 7:32 AM

Catlady,
There is a way to defend against these attacks. However, no one has the political will to implement such a plan. As with all wars, one side has to inflict sufficient damage to the other to force capitulation and surrender. We in this PC era don’t even recognize the fact that some from the Muslim world are at war with us.

mountainmanbob on November 6, 2009 at 7:33 AM

Why would an obvious left talk about babies with their limbs blownm off. Lefties prefer killing them anyhow.

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 7:35 AM

Wow..my typing is poor..I need coffee

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 7:36 AM

Jihad by attrition. We’ll see if his mental problems are contagious (“I didn’t mean to kill all of those dhimmis — I was under a lot of stress!”)

The spin is really winding up: It wasn’t his fault, because the military puts people under great stress. It wasn’t his fault, because some people said insensitive things to him. It wasn’t his fault, it was Bush’s fault for sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan.

The surveillance photo of him in his Muslim garb says it all, to me. Jihad by attrition.

KyMouse on November 6, 2009 at 7:38 AM

News conf right now. 6:32amCST on Friday morning. I guess I should say ” Friday mourning”.

EVERYONE who was superior to this guy in rank should be investigated, fired from their job AND POSSIBLY PROSECUTED!

There were SO MANY warning flags about this guy. One of the first things I thought yesterday was” 40 and not married”? Then you read the updates above and see this guy was a typical muslim misogynist. ALL THE WARNING SIGNS WERE HERE….WHY DID THEY KEEP PROMOTING THIS GUY AND ALLOWING HIM TO REMAIN IN THE MILITARY SERVICE??????

We are going to “PC” this great country to its doom if we do not WAKE UP about muslims.

Until I see muslims in the streets and taking back their own religion instead of continually dismissing violence as “not islam”,I am unconvinced their loyalties lie in their religion. The evidence keeps piling up and we refuse to see it.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 7:38 AM

This was Jihad.. plain and simple. This is what we have been concerned about all along. There is almost no way to defend against these type of attacks, because they are individual, and not dependent on outside factors.
catlady on November 6, 2009 at 7:21 AM

You remember the “Army of One” recruiting campaign?
At the very least, Hasan was a “Jihad of One.”

The really sad part is that I don’t have any faith in the DHS and the whore that leads the Department to tell the truth in this case. It is inconvenient for the filthy lying coward in the White House to have a terrorist act committed on his watch so this will be covered up and glosssed over to make this into something other than what it was. The FBI already started by coming out immediately and stating that it was not terrorism even before the first victim had been taken away! If that isn’t lying for the rat bastard traitor, I don’t know what is. I remember when the FBI used to do some investigation instead of just acting as an on-scene conduit for Robert Gibbs’ propaganda.

In the meantime the filthy lying coward is capitalizing on the story by showing up at Walter Reed for more photo-ops with service members that deserve a far better CINC than the bastard that is killing them off while he dithers. Shameful the way that bastard only sees the camera opportunity in any tragedy.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Until I see muslims in the streets and taking back their own religion instead of continually dismissing violence as “not islam”,I am unconvinced their loyalties lie in their religion. The evidence keeps piling up and we refuse to see it.
labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 7:38 AM

I want those “not Islam” apologists to go the next step. Explain why the so-called religion of peace is so filled with people who want to kill in the name of Allah. You don’t see fundamental Christians out there mowing down Muslims in the name of Jesus. Why should we be tolerant of a religion that is nothing more than a front for terrorists?

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM

NY TIMES second paragraph on the story:

But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., began having second thoughts about a military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.

Awwww poor little baby. He was harrased. Well, then that makes it OK. I think we owe HIM an apology for making him do it. Mother effers, the MSM.

angryed on November 6, 2009 at 7:50 AM

Why should we be tolerant of a religion that is nothing more than a front for terrorists?
highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM

Seems to be the case doesnt it? 8 years after 9/11 and we still wont call it what it is. I used to try and “understand” and believe that it was just a few bad apples giving this “peaceful religion” a bad name. I dont believe that anymore..quite the opposite.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 7:50 AM

The base commander at Ft. Hood has stated that eye witnesses heard Hasan shouting “Allahu Akbar!” before the shootings.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 7:52 AM

Great interview on Fox with a wouded soldier’s dad.

Asked if the shooter was an “Armyguy”, the soldier said” he was in uniform”. Shooter came through the front door and shot 15 rounds. His son dropped to the floor (was behind a desk). Son peeked over the desk and shooter was 4 ft away and shot him point blank then turned to shoot others.

18yr old saw ppl he knew shot but he was able to get out the door and get away..called his Dad from the back of an ambulance…

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 7:53 AM

With this guy’s attitude I am very glad it was a woman who shot him. I hope he saw her as he pulled the trigger.

I am glad I am not a Dr having to treat this animal. I would be substituting water for his morphine drip or something.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Wow, redneck rage!

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 7:56 AM

Since he is a major, I doubt other troops would have been harassing him. He received a poor job performance eval and probably took that as harassment. Don’t want him to be able to use this as a defense or his faith either.

Kissmygrits on November 6, 2009 at 7:58 AM

OK Simpleton… make the Nascar link to this story for us, you worthless piece of $#!+. Then go jump back in bed with your mother… you little pr*ck.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 7:58 AM

I’m not sorry, and I am going to say it. I feel towards islam what my grandparents who lived (and fought, and had brothers fight in) World War II about the nazi party and the nazis. I hate it.

Islam is fundamentally incompatible with US citizenship. You cannot both be a devout muslim (which this guy is) and uphold both the oath of military service and the civil contract with your fellow citizens to respect THEIR Constitutional rights.

This needs to be said. This piece of trash should never have been a soldier, and he should never have been allowed the opportunity to do what he did, especially after his jihad sympathies were KNOWN about months ago.

Political correctness has as much blood on it’s hands as Hassan and islam do.

wildcat84 on November 6, 2009 at 7:59 AM

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 7:56 AM

THIS is typical of the mindset that allowed this character to stay in the Army and get PROMOTED.

If he had been seen for what he was: a fundamentalist Islamist, he SHOULD have been removed and possibly JAILED esp after his internet postings and rantings about justifiable terrorism surfaced.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 7:59 AM

It’s pretty simple….he was against the war against Muslims. He obviously didn’t want to kill his people. Americans on the other hand, he didn’t mind killing.

deidre on November 6, 2009 at 7:59 AM

Awwww poor little baby. He was harrased. Well, then that makes it OK. I think we owe HIM an apology for making him do it. Mother effers, the MSM.
angryed on November 6, 2009 at 7:50 AM

I have zero tolerance for an almost 40-year-old medical professional and Army officer who can’t do a better job dealing with life. I also think that there are those in the Army that need to be relieved of duty for not dealing with this bastard in a more productive way than shipping him off to Texas to be somebody else’s problem.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:00 AM

This was Jihad.. plain and simple. This is what we have been concerned about all along. There is almost no way to defend against these type of attacks, because they are individual, and not dependent on outside factors.
catlady on November 6, 2009 at 7:21 AM

You remember the “Army of One” recruiting campaign?
At the very least, Hasan was a “Jihad of One.”

The really sad part is that I don’t have any faith in the DHS and the whore that leads the Department to tell the truth in this case. It is inconvenient for the filthy lying coward in the White House to have a terrorist act committed on his watch so this will be covered up and glosssed over to make this into something other than what it was. The FBI already started by coming out immediately and stating that it was not terrorism even before the first victim had been taken away! If that isn’t lying for the rat bastard traitor, I don’t know what is. I remember when the FBI used to do some investigation instead of just acting as an on-scene conduit for Robert Gibbs’ propaganda.

In the meantime the filthy lying coward is capitalizing on the story by showing up at Walter Reed for more photo-ops with service members that deserve a far better CINC than the bastard that is killing them off while </strong>he dithers. Shameful the way that bastard only sees the camera opportunity in any tragedy.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Highhopes, I’m getting real tired of you covering for Obama and sugar coating what that filthy loathsome coward rat bastard Commie pinko does. LOL

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 8:01 AM

he was against the war against Muslims

Seems you are confused. THEY are at war with US. geeez..did I log on to dailykos instead of Hot Air?

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:01 AM

OK Simpleton… make the Nascar link to this story for us, you worthless piece of $#!+. Then go jump back in bed with your mother… you little pr*ck.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 7:58 AM

Settle down, race fan. It’s hardly nice to refer to the head of the DHS as a ‘whore’ and my president as a “filty cowardly liar”. Your kind needs to learn some respect.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:01 AM

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Wow, redneck rage!

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 7:56 AM

Better than muslim rage.

the_nile on November 6, 2009 at 8:02 AM

I have zero tolerance for an almost 40-year-old medical professional and Army officer who can’t do a better job dealing with life. I also think that there are those in the Army that need to be relieved of duty for not dealing with this bastard in a more productive way than shipping him off to Texas to be somebody else’s problem.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:00 AM

AMEN!

Jeff from WI on November 6, 2009 at 8:02 AM

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 7:56 AM

What a surprise! The mindless trolls are out there defending the killer of 12 innocent soldiers. Par for the course with a filthy lying coward radical who loathes the military.

He bastard- those were people killed yesterday. Why are you defending the killer?

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:03 AM

Settle down, race fan. It’s hardly nice to refer to the head of the DHS as a ‘whore’ and my president as a “filty cowardly liar”. Your kind needs to learn some respect.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Truth is not nice in these cases.

the_nile on November 6, 2009 at 8:03 AM

Settle down, race fan. It’s hardly nice to refer to the head of the DHS as a ‘whore’ and my president as a “filty cowardly liar”. Your kind needs to learn some respect.
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:01 AM

While I dont agree with the namecalling, I do agree with the sentiments expressed about the DHS and current president. But I find YOUR comments MORE offensive.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:04 AM

“The base commander at Ft. Hood has stated that eye witnesses heard Hasan shouting “Allahu Akbar!” before the shootings.”

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 7:52

Somebody have a link for that?

If found to be true would that make his rampage an undebatable “terrorist attack”?

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Does SimpleMoron really not remember the 8 years of name calling against Bush? I know he’s a liberal, which means he’s mentally diseased. But does he really have amnesia too?

angryed on November 6, 2009 at 8:05 AM

CONFIRMED: The killer got into arguments with other soldiers and shouted “ALLAH AKBAR” as he was shooting.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:06 AM

simplesimon

You really serve no purpose on this planet little boy. And “Redneck” is term that was originally used to describe Left Wing Union Members… dumba$$.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 8:07 AM

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Molly Line just reported that on Fox and Friends..I am sure it is on foxnews.com

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:07 AM

From Audacity of Hope: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Wonder if Obama will stand up with the Muslims today.

deidre on November 6, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Why are you defending the killer?

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:03 AM

Why are you insulting your president on an issue like this? You play into the hands of those who hate us. YOU weaken America.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:08 AM

“ALLAH AKBAR” link

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 8:09 AM

simplesimon is obviously a troll or someone intentionally posting to stir up emotions. At this point I say ignore it.

When news was breaking here yesterday there were a couple of idiots..best to just simply ignore. I am going to take my own advice and not engage which only encourages them to post more.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

Gee I despise Geraldo.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

It’s hardly nice to refer to the head of the DHS as a ‘whore’ and my president as a “filty cowardly liar”. Your kind needs to learn some respect.
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:01 AM

As opposed to “your kind” who celebrates when one of your own mows down 12 soldiers?

The DHS Secretary is a whore who targeted returning vets as possible right-wing extremists but somehow never even considered the possibility of a terrorist attack by a Muslim serving in uniform. Anybody who shows such loathing for the military that she sees nothing but extremists in returning vets but hides the motives of a Muslim who hasn’t even deployed is a whore no matter how much you defend her.

The President is a filthy lying coward who is allowing troops in Afghanistan to be killed while he dithers over strategy. His golf game is improving but the troops deserve better than the traitor they’ve got for a CINC.

But what do you care about all that. You are gleeful Hasan killed 12, regret it was not more, and hate America. You are truly a loathesome creature.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Molly Line just reported that on Fox and Friends..I am sure it is on foxnews.com

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Thanks!

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

My family’s prayers go up for the wounded and murdered’s families.
 
What’s the over/under on how long it takes the president to say something substantial (without shout-outs) about the Muslim aspect? I’m thinking at least three days after the news reporting slows significantly so that his polling data can tell him what his speechwriters need to load into the prompter.

And I bet he somehow still manages to take both sides of this travesty.

rogerb on November 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

Ok… that link didn’t work. I found it on AP Breaking News.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FORT_HOOD_SHOOTING?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 8:12 AM

Hey,

Did I miss an HA open registration recently? The troll to poster ratio has gone way up.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:13 AM

Wow, redneck rage!

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 7:56 AM

It’s a good thing for you that there’s no requirement at this site that a commenter has to add something substantive to the discussion or be banned.

venividivici on November 6, 2009 at 8:13 AM

rogerb on November 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

The current occupant of the White House made a statement yesterday. If you missed it, I would encourage you to view it on Youtube. Pay special attention to the cheerleading when he takes the stage, his demeanor and the “shout out” before he gets to his statement about this. It is absolutely disgraceful.

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:14 AM

Why are you insulting your president on an issue like this? You play into the hands of those who hate us. YOU weaken America.
simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:08 AM

Not my President. Not now or ever. He is merely the filthy lying coward infesting the White House and controlling the government.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM

He’s not crazy; that’s the pc way out. His religion is crazy.

dhimwit on November 6, 2009 at 7:31 AM

Couldn’t agree more. How many people of other faiths, especially Christians, do you see running around slaughtering innocents? Of course, those so-called “Christians” in congress apparently don’t mind having us pay to kill unborn babies.
In this case, it’s his “religion”, plain and simple.

chai on November 6, 2009 at 8:16 AM

I am starting to see on various news sites that Hasan was “harassed for his Muslim faith after Sept. 11th”, as if that is a moral excuse for him murdering 12 people.

What bullshit. I was asked if I eat rats or numerous other crap because of my ethnic heritage but that did not make me shoot 30 people in a military base. I feel like punching that cousin of his who was like “he’s a good american”. BULLSHIT. I am so mad right now about the Traitor in Chief and everything else. Another tired excse “he did not want to participate in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq” so he happily shot 40 soldiers on the site. So absolutely nonviolent, hes almost like a Tibetan Buddhist. What sick vermin. Death would be too light for him.

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 8:16 AM

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

While I fully agree that simplesimon is simply scum, its comments illustrate the fact that even with Leftists currently holding institutional control over the military, they remain estranged from it culturally. When civil war comes to America again, and it very well could, and institutions which we take for granted in times of civil peace fail, this will prove to be their downfall.

venividivici on November 6, 2009 at 8:18 AM

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 7:38 AM

Amen!

cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:10 AM

Amen to everything you said.

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Not my President. Not now or ever. He is merely the filthy lying coward infesting the White House and controlling the government.

highhopes on November 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

From Michelle Malkin’s main site, more information:

From AP:

His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.

Nothing to see here..move along…….

labwrs on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

Call me ,thick between the ears or something,but how could these red flags not alert people? Are we so politically correct that we look the other way when all these signs are right there? I blame the wh for this totally,his lack of leadership,his dithering,and his TOTAL WEAKNESS .Where is our J/Bauer to clean house when we need him,kick butt and not worry about the consequences.

ohiobabe on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

From those whose esteem arises only from mockery, not achievement. From those who’ve never worn the uniform, only the current fashion. From those for whom no cause is worthy of an inglorious death preceded by a humble life, only the life of self.

Doorgunner on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

ditto

cmsinaz on November 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

Bizarre that LGF is running an ad for Muslim singles dating service inches away from their sanitized version of yesterday’s event quoting CBS of all sources.

Hening on November 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Why is Allah not banning simplesimon? He is the worst of trolls. He just throws out ad hominem attacks and does not even have good talking points. He never adds anything to any discussion. Puzzling.

nyx on November 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM

So Hasan was trying to justify before allah his murders, and (attempted) “suicide by Cop” by “jumping on the grenade”.

This guy is sick. Luckily for him his death is merely a matter of time, and unfortunately taxpayer money.

It would be cool if Obama took Nasal out on the White House lawn and shot him, Jefferson Style! Just need to pay for secure transport, buy a “How to Execute a Traitor: For Pacifist Idiots” book, borrow a Gun, and Bang!

Precedent set!

wuesteblitz on November 6, 2009 at 8:22 AM

Like I said, you rednecks weaken America. Time to take your guns away before you hurt someone.

simplesimon on November 6, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Ya… we heard you the first time p*ssy. Come and get it REDNECK.

ronnyraygun on November 6, 2009 at 8:22 AM

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