Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.


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How many christians believe the bible is literally true ?

Have you read John-Paul IIs catechism (I’m not catholic but I’ve looked at it) ?

You need to get out more and read a little more widely.

Aren’t 200M islamists enough for you?

Call me liar again and I shall ignore you … and fart in your general direction.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:40 PM

For a muslem to say the koran isn’t the direct revelation of allah, is like a Christian saying Jesus wasn’t the son of God.

What percentage would you put on that?

Rebar on November 5, 2009 at 11:45 PM

chicagojedi on November 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM

I was being kind…’)

jerrytbg on November 5, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Jason Coleman

Wrong again, many of the military jobs were put off on the private sector by Bush Cheney, I am not blaming them for this incident, I am only bringing up that this ass should not of been able to get on base with a gun let alone two.

Security obviously is not working in a after 9/11 america, and that needs to be looked at.

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Lets leave out the religions whose leaders teach that murdering others is a sin. You know, Catholics, etc.

As far as I know, all that is left are…Muslims.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Ronnie on November 5, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Scientific racism did not stop at colour. Read Stephen J. Gould (who, admittedly, was a marxist but not a rewriter of history).

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Cindy Munford

So what you are saying is they should feel safe, so security on the base should be good in order for them to feel safe I would think.

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:47 PM

That’s It! I’m calling the USAF in the morrow to volunteer my services.
I ain’t much, but what I got is 1000%. I promise to fix you up to go at em, again and again and again. Hell, I’ll even see ya got grunts. My kids and your’s depend on it.

OkieDoc on November 5, 2009 at 11:47 PM

What percentage would you put on that?

Rebar on November 5, 2009 at 11:45 PM

less than 1%…? ;)

jerrytbg on November 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM

I know it seems odd that this man oddities seem to have been ignored but we have hamstrung our law enforcement. Don’t forget that at least seven of our CIA operative were convicted of kidnapping in abstenia in Italy yesterday.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Thanks Rickey!

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Crap, new page jump.. I really want to know if the whacko is still around

AP said:

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

and I said…

Doesn’t even matter. Even if he wasn’t a psychiatrist who could recognize the signs, why would you seek out dozens of soldiers to kill? Why would he kill himself? Why wouldn’t he develop a substance abuse problem? Why wouldn’t he go AWOL? What, outside of Islamic terrorism, would possess him to open fire on dozens of innocent soldiers?

It’s quite clear he thought he was doing Allah’s work by fighting the people who viewed as Islam’s enemies.

By the way, is that turd nemecizer still here trying to lecture people who have been right this entire time? And one more reminder for our challenged friend – Islam isn’t a “race” so calling people’s comments on this “racism” is even more dumb than everything else you’ve said.

RightWinged on November 5, 2009 at 11:44 PM

RightWinged on November 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM

I am becoming less and less thrilled about being a conservative.

I am blaming Bush

No thoughts for the victims, no condolences for the families. But straight to the blame Bush.

Just another Blame Bush conservative.

Ah ha.

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Agreed. The definition seems to have changed over time (showing my age).

jerrytbg on November 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Bishop’s point still applies.

This from the character who thinks there’s white on white racism.

Ronnie on November 5, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Are you saying there is not?

rukiddingme on November 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM

But it is also disturning on why a doctor was allowed and or able to bring two firearms onto the base.

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Not all vehicles are searched when entering a post. We assume that voluntarily wearing the uniform assumes you are not a likely threat.

Someone needs to educate the Army on how Islam teaches it is okay to carry on lies and subterfuge with no fear of sinning against Allah. But that only leaves them profiling as a way to eliminate these kinds of attacks.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

The MSM is trying that?

For F*cks sake! Nobody get PTSD by listening to war stories. If that were the case, we’d all be on meds for watching Westerns or war movies.

Id the MSM really trying that nonsense?

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM

For a muslem to say the koran isn’t the direct revelation of allah, is like a Christian saying Jesus wasn’t the son of God.
Rebar on November 5, 2009 at 11:45 PM

The Koran is self-contradictory. As is the bible. For the Catholic Church the Vatican specifies what parts are doctrine. For muslims, it is the local Imam. There are many schools but four major Sunni ones and the Shias plus many minor sects.

The Wahabbis are not one of the four major schools but are close to the Saud family, who rule Saudi Arabia (but only since the early 20th century, iirc).

Anyhow, I’m done.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Loxodonta

I have more thoughts for the injured and dead than you can imagine, this is very close to me, my cousing John Chipura died in the world trade center, I am closer to this than you think.

Look up John Chipura beruit memorial

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM

CNN has video shot early this morning of Hasan wearing traditional Muslim garb.

flyfisher on November 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM

battleoflepanto1571 on November 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM

And both Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer have debunked the 15% number in the past. The % of Muslims supporting the legal and moral basis of terrorism — including the supremacy under the law of Muslims over unbelievers, and the obligation to wage war to eventually bring non-Muslim lands under Islamic law, is well over 1/2 (and much higher than 15%).

The debate is largely over tactics. Does one group think that bombs and airplanes are the best way, or is it better to infiltrate host societies and gradually undermine them without them realizing it (a.k.a. “demographic jihad”)? Opinions vary.

RD on November 5, 2009 at 11:52 PM

I blame blush. Mary Kay Cosmetics are killing whales.

Ugly on November 5, 2009 at 11:52 PM

This from the character who thinks there’s white on white racism.

Ronnie on November 5, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Sorry, it has been a long day. I see your point.

rukiddingme on November 5, 2009 at 11:53 PM

For F*cks sake! Nobody get PTSD by listening to war stories. If that were the case, we’d all be on meds for watching Westerns or war movies.

Id the MSM really trying that nonsense?

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM

I get a hard on listening to my sons war stories. But I’m a NAZI teaparty extremist.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:53 PM

islam is no religion. It is a satanic death cult.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

+1

Islam Delenda Est

bill30097 on November 5, 2009 at 11:53 PM

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:47 PM

I have a problem with broad assumptions being made on a little information. Like your assertion that because some folks have reacted heatedly to this tragedy that the whole thread is awful. Because you don’t like the security set up doesn’t make it wrong and since I doubt you know when it was implemented that it had anything to do with Mr. Bush. But that’s what blogs are for, expressing ourselves.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 11:54 PM

Cindy Munford

I researched this today after I heard about the security on the base from a general that stated after 9/11 private security was hired.

I tend to believe a general about this, and even the news casters were amazed by this.

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM

Sonosam on November 5, 2009 at 11:31 PM
If you are into gay sex you’ll have to talk to necromanzer or whatever he calls himself. You and he are just opposite sides of a whackjob coin.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 11:38 PM

gay sex?

why, because I dont like how we take our hard earned wealth to foster radicals?

because I dont like how we dont hear a whisper from muslims despite all we have sacrificed for them?

that despite our efforts and sacrifices we are still considered the bad egg?

Funny to how we could be completely self-sufficient while the muslims without our help would boil and implode because they arent self-sufficient?

Despite massive oil wealth, muslim areas are on the lowest end of the poverty scale ?

we have to make bird baths in schools for muslim sensibilities while where they came from they live amongst rocks?

despite being able to pursue a nuclear arsenal, iran has oil shortages and cant fly their commercial aircraft because they are falling apart much less make an automobile?

We take our wealth and human capital and waste it on the biggest welfare recipients of all time and what do we get?

To save ten dollars for my daughters schooling at this point I dont care what happens to these dependants.

we ship these animals over here and spend our wealth where as if we dare step foot on their wonderful soil we are marked for death

where christians and jews and other nonmuslims are glossed over as they are driven from there homes because they supposedly dont belong.

Africa, as bad as it is is threatened by radical islamics which can only exponentially worsen the problem

yeah, I dont like how things are

Sonosam on November 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM

I am on disability for PTSD; the MSM seems to think it’s a simple mindset, like an aversion to garlic.

This guy could not operate as a Major if he suffered from PTSD.

Ugly on November 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM

This Tuesday coming up there was/is (don’t know what’s happening now) a big toy drive scheduled for the children of the soldiers of Fort Hood. Link for information.

In the coming days there should be information about what we can do to help the families & the victims of this horrific event. Right now this is all I could find on helping the Fort Hood Community.

batterup on November 5, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Speaking of hard on’s…I’d bet money that Allah is fapping big time to a 4000 post thread in these economic times. lol

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:56 PM

I am blaming Bush, the private sector has no buiness securing our bases. Sorry but our armed forces are much more capable.

The private sector was brought in for no good reason, we must secure our own bases here and abroad with our almighty great soldiers. They are trained for that.

Not rely on private sector not knowing backgrounds and training.

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM

I think a large number of MPs are being utilized in Iraq, and not patrolling domestic posts.

DFCtomm on November 5, 2009 at 11:56 PM

I get a hard on listening to my sons war stories. But I’m a NAZI teaparty extremist.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:53 PM

I get a chubby watching the old TV series Combat. Then I dress in my old GI Joe fatigues, break out the dolls, and go twitch in a corner waiting for police to arrive.

Yeah–I get PTSD watching old TV shows.

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Speaking of hard on’s…I’d bet money that Allah is fapping big time to a 4000 post thread in these economic times. lol

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:56 PM

Indeed.

MadisonConservative on November 5, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Speaking of hard on’s…I’d bet money that Allah is fapping big time to a 4000 post thread in these economic times. lol

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:56 PM

When I saw it I was shocked by the event, as well as the post count. Needless to say, I have been out this evening.

DFCtomm on November 5, 2009 at 11:57 PM

I am on disability for PTSD; the MSM seems to think it’s a simple mindset, like an aversion to garlic.

This guy could not operate as a Major if he suffered from PTSD.

Ugly on November 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM

God bless you. I pray that you will find the peace that we all know you deserve for your selfless service on our behalf.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Pray for internal peace for these families who have been stricken—-they will need it more than the moral arguments we struggle with tonight.

Rovin

Well said.

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 11:57 PM

rukiddingme on November 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM

I have no argument with that…

jerrytbg on November 5, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Now at the end of the day, reading through the original report and all of the updates here at HotAir, it’s astounding and also informative how much of the information was incorrect. This isn’t a criticism of HotAir. It’s simply an observation–in these days of instant information and analysis, how easy it is to get things wrong.

labwriter on November 5, 2009 at 11:58 PM

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:32 PM

So are you saying non-Army security forces are incompetent?

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:35 PM

No, damian is saying it’s Bush’s fault.

WTH is with that? I had no idea, but I do know that Bush / Cheney did this. And this is wrong, the military should be defending our bases, not private contractors!

chewydog on November 5, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Troubling portrait emerges of Fort Hood suspect jihadist

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

ONLY A NUT WOULD EQUATE THE TWO

Geochelone on November 5, 2009 at 11:59 PM

So does Ibn Warraq, who writes (roughly): “Though there are moderate Muslims, there is no such thing as moderate Islam.”

And it depends on your definition of “moderate”.

RD on November 5, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Yes, I’ve read that quote from Warraq. Spencer likes it.

Among western scholars of Islam, Spencer represents one extreme. The leftist professoriate represent the other. In between are Bernard Lewis, Daniel Pipes, several others.

The idea of “moderate” muslims is confused. Most muslims are quite conservative. That does not mean they are necessarily radical.

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM

When I saw it I was shocked by the event, as well as the post count. Needless to say, I have been out this evening.

DFCtomm on November 5, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Honestly. I cried.

csdeven on November 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Perry.

“The state of Texas has had a significant loss today”

No, America has had a significant loss today dumb ass

damian1967 on November 6, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Wrong again, many of the military jobs were put off on the private sector by Bush Cheney, I am not blaming them for this incident, I am only bringing up that this ass should not of been able to get on base with a gun let alone two.

Once again, YOU don’t KNOW that. You are assuming that because it was the first time (under Bush) that people made a big deal about it. The reality is that private sourcing of military needs ramped up BIG TIME under Clinton who rolled back the military expansion of Reagan. You want to rail on Bush/Cheney/Haliburton so bad that you’ll ignore the fact that many aspects of base security were turned over to private contractors in the 90′s. We turned over the front gates to friggin’ strategic air command bases (Shreveport) in the 90′s.

Some bureaucrat decided that it was cheaper to pay 10-15 an hour for a private guard to look at base vehicle stickers and process visitor forms. For two decades now, these services have been provided by private citizens (contractors) on many U.S. bases.

Yes, Bush turned over SOME roles to private contractors. SO WHAT! Bush didn’t start turning over security roles at all and to claim that he did is a flat our lie, we’d been doing it long before Bush/Cheney.

And guess what. Had Hasan arrived in his car that day, gun on his hip, and if it’d have been army personnel guarding the gate, he still would have gotten in. He was a Major in the Army, had proper I.D. and had every authority to be on that base.

Even if the entire 10th Mountain and 101st Airborne and heck, let’s throw in the entire Marine Corps and every Navy SEAL team to boot, if they all were guarding the base that day, Hasan still could have walked onto that base in uniform with a sidearm on his hip.

In all actuality, the likelihood of a private contractor questioning Hasan the Major is greater than a private or corporal. Hasan wouldn’t have rank on the contractor.

Jason Coleman on November 6, 2009 at 12:02 AM

I have a problem with broad assumptions being made on a little information…
Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 11:54 PM

I expect bloggers and commenters to cast broad assumptions. I do not however think that JOURNALISTS should be so reckless. What happened to the layer upon layer of fact checking filters? The MSM has gotten this thing wrong from the beginning.

edgehead on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Honestly. I cried.

csdeven on November 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM

I have been afraid this was going to happen since the Ft. Dix attempt. The lefties think that a military post is bristling with weapons, and they are, but the ammo is safely locked away.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

The idea of “moderate” muslims is confused. Most muslims are quite conservative. That does not mean they are necessarily radical.

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Very conservative. They only blow up one of their kids to please Allah.

chicagojedi on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

ok troll I’ve seen the filth you’ve thrown at these folks here who are grieving. Several have asked you, politely I may say, to please leave. But yet you persist. You are one hate filled person, that’s for sure. And since you have no compassion for anyone except for the monster who murdered 12 people today, you’ve shown yourself to be nothing but a monster too. You make me sick, you disgusting piece of cow pie.

Annietxgrl on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

My mother belongs to a liberal church that doesn’t believe that Jesus is the only way to Heaven so there are some that don’t even believe Jesus is the God of this universe. They some how think people of other faiths get to heaven with out Jesus and there is no hell. So far lately none of the Christians have blown anything up or done any mass terrorist act in the name of Jesus that I know of.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM

Do we know if this man lived on base? He was a soldier after all, why would it be hard for him to get on the base with or without guns. Vehicles with base stickers are not searched. Despite your dislike of contractor security, it is a lead pipe cinch that they don’t make the procedures that are followed. The argument is not logical.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

That does not mean they are necessarily radical.

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Not to pick a fight but…and maybe this is rhetorical…
Why haven’t they put an end to the carnage…?

jerrytbg on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Very conservative. They only blow up one of their kids to please Allah.

chicagojedi on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

You are sick.

And wrong.

The mother of the year in Gaza blew up at least 3.

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM

There is going to be a hard push by the Dems to bury today’s events, you know. The MSM will work hard to back that.

May be now is a good time to remind Obama is basically a Muslim, but so it softly in a careful way. And remind, too, the Dems have tried their level best to make sure we don’t dare question Moslems about anything.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Scientific racism did not stop at colour. Read Stephen J. Gould (who, admittedly, was a marxist but not a rewriter of history).

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Did it include religious affiliation? If so, then Steven Jay Gould is a moron.

(And your interlocutor’s point stands regardless of whether or not Mr. Gould tried to redefine selected parts of the English language.)

RD on November 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM

good night all, stay strong, thanks HD for all you’ve done to keep our nation safe.

God bless America.

Annietxgrl on November 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM

I am on disability for PTSD; the MSM seems to think it’s a simple mindset, like an aversion to garlic.

This guy could not operate as a Major if he suffered from PTSD.

Ugly on November 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM

+1

warbaby on November 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM

I researched this today after I heard about the security on the base from a general that stated after 9/11 private security was hired.

I tend to believe a general about this, and even the news casters were amazed by this.

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM

Name and quote said general, I dare you.

Jason Coleman on November 6, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Jason Coleman on November 6, 2009 at 12:02 AM

+1000. Excellent points.

chicagojedi on November 6, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Jason Coleman

Do a little more research, Clinton did not ramp back the military, fact is that the ramp down was under Bush Sr. Plan and Clinton got the blame for it. I am a republican but I do the research and I know what happend and why.

It was easy to blame Clinton, though he was a scum, he was not the one who ramped dorn the military.

“During Bush’s presidency, he and Congress agreed to a sharp drop in military personnel. Active-duty military declined from 2.2-million to 1.8-million. Total defense forces also shrank, from 3.3-million to 2.9-million.

damian1967 on November 6, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Cindy Munford

He did not live on base.

damian1967 on November 6, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Why haven’t they put an end to the carnage…?

jerrytbg on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Because they have totalitarian leftist (nazi) governments, perhaps?

Islam by itself is toothless. Pakistan’s nuclear technology was not invented by a muslim and their scientists were educated in England. Iran is not much different. The Saudis buy all their arms from the US and the French (mostly).

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Geochelone on November 5, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Thanks for the link:

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

One of the officials said late Thursday that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of Hasan’s computer.

Six months and no formal investigation or search warrant? WOW!

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 12:07 AM

I fail to see what private gate security has to do with a Major driving in with a couple guns in his car. Would MPs have strip searched him and gone through his car for a couple hours?

Ronnie on November 6, 2009 at 12:07 AM

I have been afraid this was going to happen since the Ft. Dix attempt. The lefties think that a military post is bristling with weapons, and they are, but the ammo is safely locked away.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Until my son joined, I thought the Army just poo pooed ammo. I thought he could scrounge me some 7.62 surplus for my M1a. No dice. He said it’s hard to get brass off the range.

csdeven on November 6, 2009 at 12:08 AM

If a nutcase blows up an abortion clinic, will the MSM say he suffered from PTSD and give him a pass?

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:08 AM

edgehead on November 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM

When things first happen, I tend not to get to excited about the coverage because there is so much confusion. But as the evening has worn on, they appear to have developed talking points that have no basis in the truth but the story line they like. And they wonder why they are dieing. I am trying really hard to be charitable when they show the President’s remarks today, telling myself that they cut out the two minutes of mindless babble before addressing the tragedy due to time constraints.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 12:09 AM

Annietxgrl

Good night and be safe.

beachgirlusa on November 6, 2009 at 12:09 AM

The Koran is self-contradictory.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM

You’re exposing your ignorance of the koran.

The “principle of abrogation”:

None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
-Surah 2:106:

When mohammad contradicted himself, which was understandable since he was making it up as he went, the latest verse simply “erases” the earlier and allahkazam! No more contradiction. How convenient.

In fact, the bloodthirsty “verse of the sword”, calling for the jihad and killing of unbelievers, was the last verse written, and abrogates over a hundred earlier verses that taught “peace and tolerance” toward infidels.

Seriously – if you didn’t know such a basic tenet of islamic study as abrogation is, you have no business trying to defend it.

Rebar on November 6, 2009 at 12:10 AM

RD on November 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Definitions are a marxist tool. You obviously listened well to your professors.

I don’t have time to find the book by Gould but the English darwinists of the late 19th and early 20th century “defined” races in ascending order starting at apes and ending with Germans, French and then English at the top. The French and Germans had a slightly different ordering ;-)

There are sources besides Gould.

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:10 AM

The mother of the year in Gaza blew up at least 3.

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:04 AM

And next years mother of the year will have her kids blowing up the infidels.

csdeven on November 6, 2009 at 12:10 AM

I fail to see what private gate security has to do with a Major driving in with a couple guns in his car. Would MPs have strip searched him and gone through his car for a couple hours?

Ronnie on November 6, 2009 at 12:07 AM

You can have all the laws and procedures you wish, but what ultimately counts are the citizens. When that structure breaks down no amount of procedures will save you.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Jason Coleman

Watch CNN between 4-5pm est Wolf Blitzer, that is where it was said.

damian1967 on November 6, 2009 at 12:10 AM

damian1967 on November 6, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Good job ignoring the rest of my points. Why would security stop the vehicle of an Army officer?

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 12:10 AM

I think everyone should take a deep breathe [sic] and wait for real details, a lot of conclusions have been drawn all day, and most have been wrong thus far.

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:32 PM

As opposed to the hootin’ and hollerin’ going on inside 57 nation-states + Palestinian territories + expat communities worldwide, in celebration over this attack?

RD on November 6, 2009 at 12:11 AM

May God Bless these brave souls that have perished and watch over all of our military where ever they are serving. God Bless America!

Dire Straits on November 6, 2009 at 12:11 AM

gh, My point is if there are so few radicals then why don’t the so called moderates put an end to it…

jerrytbg on November 6, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Seriously – if you didn’t know such a basic tenet of islamic study as abrogation is, you have no business trying to defend it.

Rebar on November 6, 2009 at 12:10 AM

What madrassah did you study at?

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Cindy Munford

Because as I understand what was said today, unless you are security you are not allowed to be armed on base. This is what I have heard today but to be honest have not done much as far as research on this.

I do know that today showed that it is easy to get on base with guns. Good for the real terrorist I assume.

damian1967 on November 6, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Until my son joined, I thought the Army just poo pooed ammo. I thought he could scrounge me some 7.62 surplus for my M1a. No dice. He said it’s hard to get brass off the range.

csdeven on November 6, 2009 at 12:08 AM

Getting brass off the range is dangerous to you’re ability to move about freely.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 12:12 AM

gh, My point is if there are so few radicals then why don’t the so called moderates put an end to it…

jerrytbg on November 6, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Why didn’t the Germans stop Hitler ?

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Where have all these commenters that I have never heard of come from? Amazing.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

they appear to have developed talking points that have no basis in the truth but the story line they like.

Cindy Munford

And not just on this story either. Look at the coverage of the Tea Parties and the elections this past Tuesday, etc. etc. Sickening.

beachgirlusa on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

RD

I dont know about you, but I reall dont care what other nations are saying about this. My only concern is the safety or our soldiers and armed forces where they live when on American soil.

And right now, we failed on that, and this needs to be resolved.

damian1967 on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Getting brass off the range is dangerous to you’re ability to move about freely.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 12:12 AM

He didn’t mention any punishment. I said I wanted a .50 case. He said go to the local Army surplus.

csdeven on November 6, 2009 at 12:14 AM

RD on November 6, 2009 at 12:11 AM

You don’t have to go to a single site coming out of the ME…to KNOW…that is exactly what is happening…

jerrytbg on November 6, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Where have all these commenters that I have never heard of come from? Amazing.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

From Hell.

Liam on November 6, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Hmm..Political reasons for violence….Killing innocent people in large quantities…Why is this not being called terrorism?

tx2654 on November 6, 2009 at 12:15 AM

I think this is it for tonight.

Great work today, Allahpundit.

CDeb on November 6, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Where have all these commenters that I have never heard of come from? Amazing.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

A reporter kicked a rock over rushing to Texas.

MadisonConservative on November 6, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Why didn’t the Germans stop Hitler ?

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Because his true nature was revealed only after it was too late. He had the infrastructure to quash any uprising. See Valkyrie.

csdeven on November 6, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Six months and no formal investigation or search warrant? WOW!

Loxodonta on November 6, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Rest easy Mr. Lox, the Gubmint will protect us proles. /s

Geochelone on November 6, 2009 at 12:16 AM

You mean like our NATO allies in Turkey?
JohnGalt23 on November 5, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Allies no longer, or not much longer anyway. (Pray that changes, but don’t have my hopes up.)

Didn’t you hear the news in the last 24 hours? If I heard correctly, Turkey has disinvited Israel from some training exercise(s) on their soil and is making noises like they are rethinking their role in NATO.

Speaking of which, we need a story about it on HotAir. The worldwide media is not reporting the story as they should so it may be difficult to get the scoop.

RD on November 6, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Why didn’t the Germans stop Hitler ?

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Many of them tried but failed because it turned out there weren’t just a “few” nazis.

Ronnie on November 6, 2009 at 12:16 AM

What madrassah did you study at?

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Jihadwatch from the sound of it. Come to think of it that is probably where the real action is tonight, although 4000 comments is the most I will probably ever see at HA.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2009 at 12:17 AM

I tend to believe a general about this, and even the news casters were amazed by this.

damian1967 on November 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM

Please. You non-military types try not to make deep comments about things you don’t know about. After 9-11, there was no choice whatsoever except to hire civilians for post security. For bases as large as Hood or Bragg of Campbell, our soldiers would be on guard duty 24/7 and have time for nothing else.

So really, drop the indignation because it won’t change and we don’t want it to.

BTW, even if it were a soldier on the checkpoint, he could have either lied about having his weapons with him or lied about what he was transporting them for.

When I go to McKellars to shoot (which is on Ft. Bragg) I just declare to the security guard that I’m transporting my weapons and where I’m going. He (the civilian) would probably be more objective to an Army Officer like me and ask the right questions, than some SPC who might be intimidated by my rank.

hawkdriver on November 6, 2009 at 12:17 AM

May God Bless these brave souls that have perished and watch over all of our military where ever they are serving. God Bless America!

Dire Straits on November 6, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Amen.

skydaddy on November 6, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Yes, Jerry if there are so many peaceful moderate Muslims,,, why don’t they stop or at least condemn this madness. I know the answer but the leftists won’t admit it.

garydt on November 6, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.

Nice work Allah. Have a smoke and get some rest.
lol

csdeven on November 6, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Why didn’t the Germans stop Hitler ?

gh on November 6, 2009 at 12:13 AM

and don’t you mean moderate nazis?

Ronnie on November 6, 2009 at 12:17 AM

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