Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.


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CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Here is a man who actually is interested in facts.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:51 PM

I was touched when a reporter asked the Lt.General if soldiers were armed. He said something to the effect that they have security but these folks were at home and done walk around armed. This really has been an assault on so many levels.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Well as far as I’m concerned the dead giveaway was when the guy on Hannity’s show relayed the comment from Hasan, made in reference to deploying to Afghanistan or Iraq, that “a Muslim does not fight/take up arms/[I forget] against another Muslim.”

Bingo. Gotcha.

That is tantamount to a declaration that his loyalty to the worldwide Muslim umma supersedes his ostensible loyalty to the United States of America and its people.

RD on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

It’s also a reason to give props to all of those Muslim American Servicemen who do take up arms against fellow Muslims to defend our country. They must be about as popular with some of their neighbors as Zo would be at a Democratic convention.

29Victor on November 5, 2009 at 10:51 PM

I am very angry that this man was apparently a known threat for several months and appropriate measures were not taken to stop him. The victims and their loved ones deserve justice. And we all deserve far better protection from our government than this. Those government officials found responsible for failing to make good decisions in this case should be fired.

My thoughts continue to return to the loved ones of those killed today. These are the people who need our support.

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Desertion or dereliction of duty can result in a quick execution. Shouldn’t THIS?

Star20 on November 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Cody1991 on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

I liked the point you made about having the woman be the one who shot that dirt bag. Once gay marriage is legalized followed soon after by polygamy (bestiality, marrying pets, marrying buildings, marrying sandwiches, etc.) she is definitely going to be high on my list to pursue.

(wink, wink… nudge, nudge… say no more)

Mormon Doc on November 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM

What is worse for a Muslim extremist – eating pork or being shot by a woman?

Just curious.

Woody

woodcdi on November 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Maybe time to chance policy, so every soldier on base carries a sidearm?

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Did anyone else think that cousin of his was entirely too smooth?

Told Shep how his brother was “just like us”, a regular Joe Six-pack. I’m not buying it for a second.

RD on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

This happened at Ft. Hood.
crr6 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Yes, and military personnel regularly carry guns at domestic bases and facilities. It’s scary even visiting an Army recruiting office, the guys are crouched behind sandbags, hands twitching on the handles of an M-2.

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

That is the view of Robert Spencer (a Jesuit) and few friends. Also of the Egyptian Brotherhood (and other radical groups – most founded in the 20th century). The oldest of these are the Wahabbis, dating back to the late 18th century, iirc.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM

It was also the view of… mohammad the perfect infallible prophet of islam, go figure.

Rebar on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Probably being shot by a woman with a pork bullet

bannedbyhuffpo on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

suggest that you go back to pages 7-10 or so, where the posters first started speculating about the shooter’s motivation when they heard he had an Arabic name. They automatically assumed that he was Muslim and was a jihadist, both explicitly and implicitly. That’s the most basic form of racism.

And yes, I do get angry when bigots masquerading as conservatives give us all a bad name. It offends my basic sense of decency. It should offend yours as well.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM

1. muslim IS NOT a race, moron. or you think farrakhan and bin laden are the SAME RACE?
2. it indeed is muslims that are blowing up/shooting up/’honor killing’ their way across america. what’s so hard to get?

battleoflepanto1571 on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

battleoflepanto1571

You are wrong. YOU ARE WRONG.

GW_SS-Delta on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

They must be about as popular with some of their neighbors as Zo would be at a Democratic convention.

29Victor on November 5, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Depends on the neighbourhood.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

idiotarian drooled: “Spewing hate on a public forum is not a valid means of venting, and I’ll call it out whenever I see it.

Well, then you certainly won’t want to miss this.

Hating hate isn’t hate.

Don’t be an Islamo-fascism apologist your whole life.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM

So all Muslims are terrorists…

GW_SS-Delta on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Only those who follow the Koran.

MB4 on November 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Spewing hate on a public forum is not a valid means of venting, and I’ll call it out whenever I see it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Not everyone reaches the same level of understanding as others do. They sometimes need to vent in ways that make them realize later how poorly they behaved. They are not acting on those words of anger.

Being as you are someone who claims a greater understanding of goodness, you should realize that and act accordingly.

But perhaps you are behaving in a way today that will help you realize how poorly you are acting and you will rectify that in yourself and show some compassion next time?

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Probably being shot by a woman with a pork bullet

bannedbyhuffpo on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Ah, yes. I should have guessed.

Woody

woodcdi on November 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM

I recall there was a number of individuals, about 8 years ago who wanted to learn how to fly a plane, but were not interested in landing it…but no one wanted to make any silly assumptions or anything…

runner on November 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM

They better mop up the rest of his cell. They are posing as shop keepers and families all over the country.

Isn’t that the gawd-dammed truth.

I don’t believe this guy is a one-off…..there are others in similar situations he was communicating with.

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM

It was also the view of… mohammad the perfect infallible prophet of islam, go figure.

Rebar on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Have you asked him? Do you know what the Hadiths are?

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM

For each time neutercizer posts some lame trollish idiocy and is rude to fellow posters I’m going place a big greasy booger in a copy of the koran at a local bookstore. Try me neutercizer… I’ve got a lot of boogers.

chicagojedi on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

You cover yourself in glory.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM

GW_SS-Delta on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

So all Muslims are terrorists…

No. Just Muslims who have studied the doctrine and accept all of the teachings.

Mormon Doc on November 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

I think the PTSD thing will fade. Greta had on a guest, a reporter in Killeen or Temple I think, who was saying this guy was “picked on” by others for his religion. That will be the new meme: he was driven to commit mass murder by the hayseed, bigoted soldiers in the military.

Erich66 on November 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM

This happened at Ft. Hood.

crr6 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Troll dufus proves he’s completely ignorant of the military. Only the MPs would be armed. Every other soldier would be completely defenseless. We don’t walk around with our weapons like the movies you stupid f*ck.

Geez, google before you post about the military.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM

+ 1000
That was awesome hawkdriver!! You get the “Flame of the Troll” Post of the night!!

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM

“a Muslim does not fight/take up arms/[I forget] against another Muslim.”

Except in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. So much for all the ‘nice’ things said about Islam.

They kill their own, in droves. How do the libs really defend that, among all those other things about Islam American libs ignore?

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

I think that everyone is missing the point of his (Major Hassan\’s) scrib post that was linked earlier. He was simply saying that a “suicide bomber” is not actually a “suicide bomber” in the sense that he (or she) is not committing suicide no more than a soldier who dives on a grenade for his buddies is committing suicide.Both are making a conscious choice to give their lives for whatever reason- NOT solely to TAKE THEIR OWN LIVES but to TAKE OTHER LIVES IN THE ENDING OF THEIR OWN.

It was in response to this article authored by Salafi Manhaj in 2007 that roundly condemns the practice of suicide bombing.

All that Major Hasan was stating was that he felt their description as suicide bombers was incorrect just as one would (rightly) not call the Kamikazees of the Pacific Theater of World War II “suicide flyers” and explaining (IMO) how certain misguided scholars have used this image (of a self-sacrificing soldier dying for his nation) to convince young Muslims to detonate themselves against civilians.

I am in no way defending what he did today and hope to God he faces a military firing squad in short order, simply that the context of the writing is just as important as the language itself.For all those wondering about punishment in the legal sense, the UCMJ takes precedence here as he was (and still is) a Commissioned Officer in the U.S. Army.

SgtSVJones on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Dignified soldiers, like Nathan Hale, deserve firing squads. Hanging befits traitors and other criminals.

[Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:50 PM]

Thank you. I can appreciate that. Hanging it should be, then.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

“If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around?

Military PC? I don’t know. Guessing too it is hard to recruit psychiatrists needed to assist soldiers returning from deployment.
In any case he should have been 86′ed. No place for political correctness in our military.

FireBlogger on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

What is worse for a Muslim extremist – eating pork or being shot by a woman?

Just curious.

Woody

woodcdi on November 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Being shot by Miss Piggy

chicagojedi on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

remember when Israel justifiably leveled gaza because of the multitudes of rockets that were lobbed into their country?

obongo set aside a few million so palistinean scum could take up space in our colleges free of charge.

maybe I should blow up a temple and get a scholarship.

Its BS that craven animals are given things that we have to pay for much less reenforcing that commiting atrocities buys favors in the US.

fuck these animaqls they deserve to be put down until they prove they can stand on their own and drive the rabid from their midst

Sonosam on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

CRR you were PWND

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

The “trolls” really seem to be into mental masturbation on this thread. Even more than usually.

MB4 on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Did anyone else think that cousin of his was entirely too smooth?
RD on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Wasn’t even really rattled by the massacre itself, to hear him talk. Seemed to kind of take it all in stride.

RD on November 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM

I would not be surprised if the guy demands to be held as a POW, and in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.

Really Right on November 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

This is what Hasan posted on the internet. They tracked his posts for 6 months, his peers heard him oppose fighting his brethren in Iraq, and today this travesty. Who will be held accountable for all this?

Disgusting world. PC will kill us all, so shortly after 9/11/01. The last few years are like a twilight zone in America.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM

My heart aches for the families and loved ones of the people he killed and wounded. I hope he is alive so he can truly suffer for his crimes.

starboardhelm on November 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM

It’s frightening to think some of these soldiers had survived their previous tours only to be shot down by an Army Officer in what one would consider a safe haven.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

It certainly is.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 10:58 PM

I recall there was a number of individuals, about 8 years ago who wanted to learn how to fly a plane, but were not interested in landing it…but no one wanted to make any silly assumptions or anything…
runner on November 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM

“Paging Jamie Gorelick. Paging Jamie Gorelick.”

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:58 PM

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 9:55 PM

++1000

lovingmyUSA on November 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM

idiotarian drooled: “Spewing hate on a public forum is not a valid means of venting, and I’ll call it out whenever I see it.

Oh wait, there goes another one.

Hating hate isn’t hate.

Don’t be an Islamo-fascism apologist your whole life.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM

You cover yourself in glory.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Actually, you did that by proclaiming yourself a holder of moral superiority. You projecting again?

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM

they still havent executed the islamoscum who murdered his commander before the Iraq war started , why?

Sure is good being islamic, the more you kill and destroy, the more you get.

how bout that for positive reenforcment

Sonosam on November 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM

If the terrorist is to be held in a civilian prison there is hope that a patriot in the general population will be able to kill him quickly.

Ted Torgerson on November 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Good, he’s alive.

Let’s kill him. Slowly.

MadisonConservative on November 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM

BHO will insist that he be read his Miranda rights.

ACLU will insist that he be given a “fair” trial at taxpayer expense, with a particular emphasis on his “self esteem” which must have suffered since he was so “picked-on” by his military peers.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM

This is what Hasan posted on the internet. They tracked his posts for 6 months, his peers heard him oppose fighting his brethren in Iraq, and today this travesty. Who will be held accountable for all this?

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Nobody of coarse. Not even the terrorist whom the Corrupt media Establishment is already making excuses for. Unfortunately, this is what we’ve allowed America to become.

TheBigOldDog on November 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM

I find it mind boggling that as much as Obama seeks to be at all times and places visible he did not come out tonight and make a statement to the country about this tragedy. His only public comment coming almost as an afterthought to a pre-planned speech to an Indian (Native American) group. Really? Really? Aren’t these his troops? Isn’t he CinC? Speaks volumes.

Willie on November 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM

My heart aches for the families and loved ones of the people he killed and wounded. I hope he is alive so he can truly suffer for his crimes.

starboardhelm on November 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM

So they can get him out of a military tribunal, have him tried and defended by the ACLU, pro bono, make a mockery of all who died, and their families. Spit!!!

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Disgusting world. PC will kill us all, so shortly after 9/11/01. The last few years are like a twilight zone in America.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Exactly right. Obama is a much bigger danger to the US than the islamists. They kill more muslims than infidels.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM

You are wrong. YOU ARE WRONG.

GW_SS-Delta on November 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Wait, so most terrorists are NOT Muslim?????

Do tell!

Do tell!

Please list the active ‘terrorists’ by Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Christians (catholic/protestant/orthodox), Shinto, Animist, etc…

not “oh they are mean” – the klan is horribly racist and bigoteed but they dont, to my knowledge, KILL/BOMB/SHOOT UP innocent victims anymore, and they certainly dont do it “because jesus said so”

Im waiting for your refutation.

Nearly all terrorists are muslim. of COURSE not all muslims are terroritst

but nearly terrorists ARE muslim in 2009.

battleoflepanto1571 on November 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Substitute bigotry if one must but in recent history his use of the term is in line.

2) the state of belonging to such a population

Haysoos Marimba, you really parsed that definition.

So if a white Christian insults a White Muslim, that’s racism?

Whew.

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Do any of the leftists here believe that there are moderate Muslims? Has any of the local Muslims condemned this act? I was just wondering and the only anger I see is where people are just about had it with the Muslim religion and how unpeaceful it is. I don’t believe there are any moderates but only those who actually support their murderous thugs. How is that the moral highground NEMO?

garydt on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Now I understand his true motive: It has been reported that the Muslim killer was single and had no luck with the matchmaking service at his local mosque. So naturally, he had to kill a bunch of infidels so he could go to paradise and get his share of the 72 virgins. Now it all makes sense.

But wait, no virgins for him yet – he was not killed and has not gone over to paradise at this time.

guest77 on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Lox,

Good point about how people already knew about this guy and his questionable behavior. Hopefully, people will not hesitate to report this kind of stuff and raise the red flags. We have to assume there are others like this guy in the service.

Christien on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Media is full on dhimmi. It’s good intended pavement.

the_nile on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

[Erich66 on November 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM]

Sure would like to know how people knew what his religion was. Maybe because he constantly broadcast his devout Muslim sentiments about killing infidels as that Colonel Lee noticed?

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

This happened at Ft. Hood.

crr6 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Yeah…because everybody on a military base walks around packing heat 24/7, right?[/sarc

Next time you have a thought, do the rest of us a favor and forget it.

As to the legitimate question that was asked, how could a guy with two handguns shoot that many people:

1. Crowded and confined space with multiple point blank targets.

2. Lots of ammo.

3. Lots of planning and preparation.

Emphasis on number three, because this was clearly planned ahead of time and an act of terrorism, plain and simple.

SuperCool on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

This happened at Ft. Hood.

crr6 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Troll dufus proves he’s completely ignorant of the military. Only the MPs would be armed. Every other soldier would be completely defenseless. We don’t walk around with our weapons like the movies you stupid f*ck.

Geez, google before you post about the military.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM

ROFL…have you been pontificating out of ignorance again, crr6? Just give up already.

ddrintn on November 5, 2009 at 11:02 PM

starboardhelm on November 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Or, so he can plead insane.

No worries, my venom is not directed at you.

Wake up America!

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 11:02 PM

I am in no way defending what he did today and hope to God he faces a military firing squad in short order…

SgtSVJones on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

No, Sarge. If he’s found guilty by proper court martial and duly sentenced to death, he should hang.

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 11:03 PM

People who call for punishment without due process of law, no matter how hateful and evil the crime, are morally equivalent to the accused.

Anything else is barbarism.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM

STFU. No one is fooled by you, phony. And for you to equate words with the mass murder of 12 and over 30 injured and some very seriously, tells me you have a major screw loose. Seek help, whackjob.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 11:03 PM

but what if it turns out that amoung the dead, his victims included proud American Soldiers, that in fact were also Muslim?

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

In that case, I feel certain that there are a few posters around here who would consider that a mitigating circumstance.

JohnGalt23 on November 5, 2009 at 11:03 PM

The Husband says that there are 9 mm with clips that will hold 21.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

I have many magazines for a 9mm Glock that hold 33 rounds. They make 9mm magazines for Beretta that hold 25 rounds.

infidel on November 5, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Do any of the leftists here believe that there are moderate Muslims?
garydt on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

I’m not a leftist but I know moderate muslims.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:04 PM

You cover yourself in glory.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:55 PM

I don’t want to think about the @@@@ you cover yourself in. I revel in my spite. How many of my countrymen have been killed by these subhuman muslim terrorists? America has been attacked by muslims since Jefferson. Western civilization has been attacked by muslims ever since Allah told Mohammed to start killing nonbelievers. Islam is the enemy. They tell us this every day. And they show it to us like today in Ft. Hood. It’s us or them and we all know which side you’ve chosen. As I’ve said before: I will not kneel. I will not be enslaved. I will not convert. I will not submit. And we will have victory over them.

chicagojedi on November 5, 2009 at 11:04 PM

remember when Israel justifiably leveled gaza because of the multitudes of rockets that were lobbed into their country?

Sonosam on November 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM

No, I don’t. Because it never happened. Israel was always very careful in picking out military targets. They did not go in and level anything.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 11:05 PM

I find it mind boggling that as much as Obama seeks to be at all times and places visible he did not come out tonight and make a statement to the country about this tragedy. His only public comment coming almost as an afterthought to a pre-planned speech to an Indian (Native American) group. Really? Really? Aren’t these his troops? Isn’t he CinC? Speaks volumes.

Willie on November 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM

You are right about this. But you can be sure to count on Der Leader being there for a photo op at the funerals.

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 11:05 PM

So all Muslims are terrorists…

GW_SS-Delta on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

No, some are terrorists and the rest of the Muslims support them spiritually and financially.

BL@KBIRD on November 5, 2009 at 11:05 PM

idiotarian whined: “Spewing hate on a public forum is not a valid means of venting, and I’ll call it out whenever I see it.

Call it out… do you hate Salvador Dalí? Gustave Dore’? Bologna’s Church of San Petronio?

Hating hate isn’t hate.

Don’t be an Islamo-fascism hugger your whole life.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 11:05 PM

So naturally, he had to kill a bunch of infidels so he could go to paradise and get his share of the 72 virgins.

guest77 on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

If he gets that, I hope they’re all Jewish and look like Rosie O’Donnell.

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 11:05 PM

This is what Hasan posted on the internet. They tracked his posts for 6 months, his peers heard him oppose fighting his brethren in Iraq, and today this travesty. Who will be held accountable for all this?

Disgusting world. PC will kill us all, so shortly after 9/11/01. The last few years are like a twilight zone in America.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM

funny how he doesnt feel for the millions of Iraqis who suffer from these types of filth and fight on their side.

No, he supports the tyrannical regime which makes him much like a lib.

the type that is afraid of self rule and prefers despotism.

again the only muslims I support are the millions that fought with us but since that was Georges side they must be dispensed with

fuck liberals, supporters of despotism worldwide

lacking of ideas they prefer rule of the sword

Sonosam on November 5, 2009 at 11:05 PM

I’m not a leftist but I know moderate muslims.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:04 PM

How do you know they are REALLY moderate?

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 11:05 PM

I’m not a leftist but I know moderate muslims.
gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:04 PM

As do I, son of a cousin’s in-law. I drank a few beers with the kid after a day of water skiing.

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. There are muslim terrorists and there are apostates.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

If this isn’t treason, the charge doesn’t exist. And treason is a capital crime.

theCork on November 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

infidel on November 5, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Holy Cow! I guess that explains how he could be the lone gunman. I am feeling a Congressional Hearing coming on. I believe it is going to be about high capacity mags and assult handguns. Just a prediction.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Don’t be an Islamo-fascism hugger your whole life.

For some, being called a racist is worse than being a murderer. It all started in California……

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM

There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. There are muslim terrorists and there are apostates.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

That is the islamist view. So you’re one of them?

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM

GH,, have the moderate muslims spoken out against this crime? I am not holding my breath on this one. I know if there are moderates they probably do fear to speak out against these terrorists. When I was a kid I don’t even remember much about muslims until they got sassy and tried to eliminate Israel. from then on they have been nothing but trouble.

garydt on November 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months?

If so they have a lot to answer for.

MB4 on November 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Sure would like to know how people knew what his religion was. Maybe because he constantly broadcast his devout Muslim sentiments about killing infidels as that Colonel Lee noticed?

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Oh I agree. I’m sure there’s much more to the story than some poor guy being harrassed.

Erich66 on November 5, 2009 at 11:08 PM

but what if it turns out that amoung the dead, his victims included proud American Soldiers, that in fact were also Muslim?

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

If that’s the case, I have no problem with their families petitioning for an alternative method in carrying out the death sentence.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Most likely to start shooting HotAir commenters: nemecizer

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 11:08 PM

crr6 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Troll dufus proves he’s completely ignorant of the military. Only the MPs would be armed. Every other soldier would be completely defenseless. We don’t walk around with our weapons like the movies you stupid f*ck.
Geez, google before you post about the military.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM

These are the same idiots who believe that soldiers actually enjoy killing, and brandishing guns. When you’re on base at home, you enjoy not having to lug around the steel.

TXUS on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

How do you know they are REALLY moderate?

You don’t…..until they strap a bomb to themselves and run into a mall foodcourt screaming “Allah” all the way…..

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Thanks Democrats for electing Barack Hussein Obama as our president, who was raised as a Muslim in his formative years, who has to have a Christian cross covered up when he speaks, and who bows to the King of Saudi Arabia. Nothing to worry about.

scrubjay on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Not everyone reaches the same level of understanding as others do. They sometimes need to vent in ways that make them realize later how poorly they behaved. They are not acting on those words of anger.

Being as you are someone who claims a greater understanding of goodness, you should realize that and act accordingly.

But perhaps you are behaving in a way today that will help you realize how poorly you are acting and you will rectify that in yourself and show some compassion next time?

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM

You do not show a child compassion when you let them behave badly, even if they are emotional. You do them a disservice.

But more than that, the vile spewing racism that some have displayed on this forum reflects on all conservatives. Therefore, it reflects badly on *me*. It gives ammunition to our adversaries across the aisle, who have no compunction to use it against us.

I am sorry that you think I am behaving badly. Perhaps you will one day come to realize that to let hatred fester, even when there are understandable reasons for the anger, is never acceptable.

Holding the moral high ground is not a popularity contest. It’s hard to do the right thing. But in the end taking the high road is the only sustainable path to truly hold dear to our principles. Anything else is a betrayal of what we claim, as conservatives, to believe.

I leave it to our dishonest adversaries on the left to look for relativistic morals. There are probably some truly hateful people on DU or DailyKos right now posting that the military deserved what MAJ Hasan did because of Bush, the neo-Cons, the Jews, or any other bugbear of the left. I suspect a number of them truly delight in what just happened, as do some of their left wing counterparts in Europe, and certainly in the countries where I used to live in the Middle East. We as conservatives must be better than that, and I know that we are better than that. To let hate fester in our mist gives the left their most potent weapon: to basically say that we are no different than them. We are different, and we must act differently.

I used to come to Hot Air because of the reasoned viewpoints of the bloggers. I still think AP, Ed and the others are generally reasoned. But the posters in the forums are awful and getting worse. To look at some of the absolutely despicable nonsense that is written here is truly disappointing. In the end, the childish need to vent hatred against an entire class of people and their religion, no matter how bad the crazies in that religion are, just demeans us all.

Read what I say very carefully, and take it to heart. You may not like the messenger, but if you truly want to call yourself conservative, then you really can’t object to the message.

We are better because we as conservatives stick to our principles even when it is hard. In fact, when it is hardest to do so is when we must cling to them the tightest. Anything else is to become what we despair: morally bankrupt, intellectually dishonest, unprincipled, ethically ambiguous creatures of our lesser emotions.

Shit, if we become like that we might as well all just become hippies. And I don’t look good in tie dies.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Haysoos Marimba, you really parsed that definition.

So if a white Christian insults a White Muslim, that’s racism?

Whew.

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM

You know it is interesting. I treated you with respect and you come back with that silliness. Bad day at work?

A white muslim could be racist against a black muslim.
The reality is that if you read enough you will find that many in the US and Europe do see bigotry against groups like Jews and Muslims as racism and it likely is due to the definition I noted. You don’t have to like and you can mock me and it but it does not change facts. I used to feel the same as you but when I was given crap I decided to research the idea.

If it is easier though, again substitute bigotry for racism. It seems many rather than address the issue of bigotry use the fact that one chose to use the term racism to sidetrack the argument.

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

If this isn’t treason, the charge doesn’t exist. And treason is a capital crime.

theCork on November 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

I don’t think it is treason. There are other capital crimes in the military. Someone here probably knows the name for this one.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Sorry. I was having a self-deprecating humor attack that boomeranged on you.

Loxodonta

Loxodonta: See,lox was kidding!:)

canopfor
My apologies, its been a long horrible day.

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

beachgirlusa: I`ve mis-read Lox before,my fault,but I knew
he was kidding,I`m just glad it got patched up
quick!!

Have a great day,beachgirlusa,and your posts
are great too!!!!!!!!!:)

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

My apologies, its been a long horrible day.

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

This has been a very tragic, confusing and anger inducing story to read and discuss. Some of us have gotten a little testy with others. I have as well. We’ll all just have to be patient with one another.

Except for the trolls.

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. There are muslim terrorists and there are apostates.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

That is the islamist view. So you’re one of them?

gh on November 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM

No but that is what it says in their books.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

muslims do not deserve to profligate on our dime.

if they choose to have multiple kids they shouldnt impoverish christians who know how to live in a reasonable manner.

arafat the pig fucker said they would destroy Israel from the womb

of course they look at their offspring as nothing more than amunition unlike christians and jews and enjoy the liberal mantra that deprives wealth from the spiritually sound so the spiritually may breed them out of existence.

Sonosam on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

You are right about this. But you can be sure to count on Der Leader being there for a photo op at the funerals.

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 11:05 PM

And if that does occur I will be induced to vomit.
I really hate to go there, but I do know GW would have made a statement of condolence and let the investigation play out, but he would have addressed it, not gone hone to calculate the politics of it all

Willie on November 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM

If this isn’t treason, the charge doesn’t exist. And treason is a capital crime.

theCork on November 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

It isn’t treason. However, multiple murder and murder on federal property are capital crimes.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 11:10 PM

We have no need of a conscience

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Then you are fundamentally un-American and don’t deserve to call yourself one.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Ok, that’s it! I’ve been reading your sanctimonius crap, and I want to know who the hell you think you are??? Get the frick home, Charles has got a nice hot bath for you, and some vasiline sitting by the tub.

lovingmyUSA on November 5, 2009 at 11:10 PM

This happened at Ft. Hood.

crr6 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Yeah…because everybody on a military base walks around packing heat 24/7, right?[/sarc

Next time you have a thought, do the rest of us a favor and forget it.

SuperCool on November 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Well, to lots of moonbats, Army base = lots of icky rednecks walking around with lots of icky guns.

ddrintn on November 5, 2009 at 11:10 PM

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