Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.


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nemecizer,

Your fifteen minutes are up.

Star20 on November 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Good news. He was handing out Koran’s in his neighborhood this morning. What a thoughtful neighbor.

/ewwww

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

OK… handing out Korans and giving away furniture… Nope… no warning signs…

MeatHeadinCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Who let Sissy Matthews in?

[Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM]

I knew it. I just knew it. My leg has been tingling.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

I did sort of defend Defended you both, right?
Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

As I told BadgerHawk, I was not offended. To the contrary.
Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

That was more for Ann anyways..

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Malik Nadal Hasan is a putrefied, ratshit bag of scum.

jaime on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Appears so

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

According to islam, every syllable of the koran came directly from allah as revelation to mohammad. If someone doesn’t believe that, then they’re not muslem. In fact, in many islamic countries, if a non-believer even touches a koran, they should be killed for defiling the direct word of allah.

Rebar on November 5, 2009 at 10:17 PM

That is the view of Robert Spencer (a Jesuit) and few friends. Also of the Egyptian Brotherhood (and other radical groups – most founded in the 20th century). The oldest of these are the Wahabbis, dating back to the late 18th century, iirc.

Try reading some of Queen Rania of Jordan’s writings. Or Bernard Lewis. Ayatollah Sistani in Iraq.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Sanitizing Hasan

MB4 on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM

So he was handing out Korans and giving away furniture… Uh… no warning signs, huh?

MeatHeadinCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM

I think it would best that the terrorist be killed quickly, within the next several weeks.

Ted Torgerson on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM

He gave his furniture away this morning and was handing out the Koran.

Greta interview

nor on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Sounds like you guys need to get a room…

lovingmyUSA on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

lovingmyUSA: Agreed,the DEMOCRAT DYNAMIC TAG TEAM DUO!!:)

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM

I think it would best that the terrorist be killed quickly, within the next several weeks.

Ted Torgerson on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Not gonna happen.

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM

So… JAG, getting the military to pay for your law school?

malclave on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Don’t smear all JAGs by associating us with this POS!

jwp1964 on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Assuming, however, that simply because he has an Arabic name that he is a Muslim fanatic is not. That’s just racism.

[nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM]

No it’s not.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM

They are being detained against their will. They are subjected to periods of extreme heat, cold, and having their lights on 24/7. They are forced to listen to the same music repeatedly, often Barry Manilow. They have not been charged with a crime, many of them, yet are still imprisoned. They are given only military lawyers and not lawyers of their choosing. They are not allowed contact with their families.

Pick one of the above and you will find such organizations as Human Rights Watch and the American Red Cross defining it as torture.

Those core principles you hold so dear are being broken on a daily basis at Gitmo, why aren’t you advocating on behalf of the human beings imprisoned at that facility?

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM

I really don’t care what the Red Cross or Human Rights Watch call as torture. Frankly, they thought that common sense good safety measures, such as hooding the detainees in transport and shackling their feet was torture.

As for your other claims, such as being subjected to extremes of heat and cold, and Barry Manilow, please cite evidence.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM

So the pr*ck’s alive? They still kill ‘em in Texas right?

Daemonocracy on November 5, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Damn straight we do. When my friends and I are together and it happens to be execution night we buy a round for everyone in the bar or honkytonk.

Problem here, this crime will probably fall under military jurisdiction and who knows what Obama will decide to do with this vermin.

TXUS on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Let me clarify. We don’t need you as our conscience.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

You beat me to that point. Thanks…(sort of…~teasing wink~)

But I second you, as usual.

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM

WaPo reports;

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

Charming “devout” fellow but somehow that whole clitoral castration with a broken bottle always scared them off.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

nemecizer
You’re a voice of reason in a dark sea of hatred and ignorance. If all conservatives were like you the world would be a great place.
Grow Fins on November 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Gosh Grown Fins. You made me see the light. As a conservative I will no longer routinely set puppies on fire because of your brilliance and clean, clean heart. / s

I really, really don’t need to take advice on how to behave by people who believe it’s ok to kill babies in their mothers’ wombs…

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

OK… handing out Korans and giving away furniture… Nope… no warning signs…

Ditto. Nothing raising any red flags there…no sir.

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Polital correctness will be the death of us all.

OhioCoastie on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

I did sort of defend Defended you both, right?
Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Geez that sounds even worse, and it’s not even that late yet..

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Assuming, however, that simply because he has an Arabic name that he is a Muslim fanatic is not. That’s just racism.
nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Thank you, I “saw” him. I am a lucky person and now actually have his email so I don’t have to stalk him to talk to him. I will officially ignore all future posts by new annoying person.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

how did a lone gunman kill this many people with a handgun

jp on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

I think that has been changed in news to two guns with one of them being a semi automatic. Not sure .. can anyone verify?

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

You must be a tenured member of academia. There is no way you productively function as a member of society in any kind of non-’intellectual’ capacity.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Probably too annoying to get tenure.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Indeed, I am known far and wide for my hateful heart. Stop pretending you know anyone here.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

I can testify from personal experience just how hateful a heart you have.

Let’s all take look at that hate in your heart.

Now where did I put my electron microscope?

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM

So that’s a pretty safe assumption. Assuming, however, that simply because he has an Arabic name that he is a Muslim fanatic is not. That’s just racism.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Based on that, you must think being called muslim is a slur. Why do you hate muslims?

Ronnie on November 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Abortion: I believe that abortion should be legal, with common sense restrictions.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Uh-oh….

The dignified morality I possess is adherence to the fundamental principles of the United States…

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

anuts on November 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM

“He gave his furniture away this morning and was handing out the Koran.”

So it’s premeditated murder. Can they get him for treason, too?

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

nemecizer,

Your fifteen minutes are up.

Star20 on November 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Unfortunately it won’t be until people stop constantly feeding him. Remarkable how it works.

TheBigOldDog on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

My prayers to the souls and families of those killed or wounded by Major Tool, and I don’t mean to make light of this…

… but what if it turns out that amoung the dead, his victims included proud American Soldiers, that in fact were also Muslim?

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM

My God man, 12 soldiers are dead. Just go away!

Save your torture debate for another day.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Alive and soon to be passed around H-Block at Leavenworth like a joint at a Grateful Dead show…

SuperCool on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

When one sees the damage a muslim can inflict from inside Ft. Hood, one can just imagine what a Communist, Muslim, Racist,Commander in chief can inflict upon the whole United States from within the white house!!

Marco on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Sorry. I was having a self-deprecating humor attack that boomeranged on you.

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Loxodonta: See,lox was kidding!:)

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Then you are fundamentally un-American and don’t deserve to call yourself one.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

You are fundamentally a horse’s ass with delusions of grandeur.

MB4 on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Did Hasan not see Teh Won’s speech in Cairo?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

The Husband says that there are 9 mm with clips that will hold 21.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Indeed, I am known far and wide for my hateful heart. Stop pretending you know anyone here.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Damn straight “Evil” Cindy. And you can stop sending those hateful care packages to me and my detachment post haste.

Damn you’re mean.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

how did a lone gunman kill this many people with a handgun

jp on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

It’s easy when no one else is armed.

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Well as far as I’m concerned the dead giveaway was when the guy on Hannity’s show relayed the comment from Hasan, made in reference to deploying to Afghanistan or Iraq, that “a Muslim does not fight/take up arms/[I forget] against another Muslim.”

Bingo. Gotcha.

That is tantamount to a declaration that his loyalty to the worldwide Muslim umma supersedes his ostensible loyalty to the United States of America and its people.

So, he is behaving as al-Azhar University claims is a tenet of the Muslim faith. Thus in at least this respect, al-Azhar University would not consider him a lapsed Muslim.

The second giveaway was his cousin’s smooth, smooth chat with Shep, delivering those silky lines of taqiyya (read: bullsh-t specifically designed to throw gullible infidels off the scent). What came up was every reason under the sun other than, “my cousin as a Muslim could never fight against another Muslim.”

On a personal note: This guy comes off as the type, some of you know the type, who blend in with the Westerners as long as everything’s casual, fun & games and such, but who begin to seize up, flip out and go ‘rogue’ in odd and disturbing ways when things turn the least bit serious. In a peaceful world he could have coasted his entire career in the military. Imagine his surprise when 9/11 hit, and now he’d actually have to follow through with those pieties he professed in order to get in the door. He can talk his way into a situation but not talk his way out.

This guy appeared to me to pass through several stages of progressive mental meltdown, confronted with his inability to hold two opposing identities (and, to some degree, self-images?) simultaneously. The inevitable end result was, jettisoning of one of those identities. The preventable result was the way he went about it, by going out in a blaze of ‘Allahu ackbar’-style glory.

He should have just been a man about it and said, I’m through being compelled to show allegiance to America over the umma (which includes radical terrorists, lest we forget), I can’t take it anymore — and quit his post, even if it meant some degree of punishment.

So did he premeditate his attack, plan for a long time, or was it more reminiscent of “Sudden Jihad Syndrome“? (What’s the under-over, anyone have an opinion?)

RD on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Good news. He was handing out Koran’s in his neighborhood this morning.

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Darn, I wish I was there to get a copy. I just ran out of toilet paper.

UltimateBob on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

My Ruger holds about 17, maybe a couple more.

Star20 on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 PM

I would think that the level of confusion would be a direct measure of the exquisite Islamic background of the tale. This will disappear ASAP.

Isn’t there a primary somewhere?

BL@KBIRD on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 PM

ppose you want American Muslims sent to camps too. Seriously.. there are Muslims in the military and many of them do good work. I know a few who work very hard for their country. Vigilance is prudent but a witch hunt won’t further our national goals. This is terrible. Another guy in the same area killed more people years back… wasn’t a Muslim. It means nothing. Crazy is just plain crazy, guns, religion, race, whatever, it still comes down to crazy.

I really feel for the families who have enough stress as it is.

lexhamfox on November 5, 2009 at 8:17 PM

Seems to me I remember you saying you were a Brit? Enjoy your dhimmihood in jolly old pookistan west. I hope the muzz treat you better than the crown treated them, but if not , who cares?

huckelberry on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Did Hasan not see Teh Won’s speech in Cairo?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 5, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Obama was racist to give that speech in Cairo. He was just assuming there were muslims there.

Ronnie on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 PM

In calling out people who make deplorable comments about an entire religion, ascribing to an entire people the actions of a fanatical few, I hold the very definition of high moral ground, not to mention just common decency.

I mean, there are people on this forum who are actually calling for the US government to torture MAJ Hasan. That is absolutely despicable.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 9:43 PM

The fanatical few you speak of number at about 100 + million people. Lets just hope the other billion+ never take the koran or the hadith litterally.

dave264 on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Then your next step is to find some compassion and allow people to vent their grief without venting your own on them by deriding them.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Showing respect and tolerance for one of the worst murderers ever in America trumps the First Amendment. You didn’t get the memo?

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 PM

They are being detained against their will. They are subjected to periods of extreme heat, cold, and having their lights on 24/7. They are forced to listen to the same music repeatedly, often Barry Manilow. They have not been charged with a crime, many of them, yet are still imprisoned. They are given only military lawyers and not lawyers of their choosing. They are not allowed contact with their families.

Pick one of the above and you will find such organizations as Human Rights Watch and the American Red Cross defining it as torture.

Those core principles you hold so dear are being broken on a daily basis at Gitmo, why aren’t you advocating on behalf of the human beings imprisoned at that facility?

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM

you are a POS

bill30097 on November 5, 2009 at 10:43 PM

hey bleeds,
You DO know that cair IS the propaganda wing of the muslim brotherhood…right?

jerrytbg on November 5, 2009 at 10:43 PM

People keep saying hanging. Stop it! It’s firing squad or bust, dammit.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Did you read “Starship Troopers”?

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM

This is truly a shockingly awful event we are discussing here. It’s unbelievable. Your comments, as usual, are on the money.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:43 PM

It’s easy when no one else is armed.

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

This happened at Ft. Hood.

crr6 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Does anyone here beside nemecizer doubt that Jones-Smith would have been thrown in jail months ago?

Basilsbest on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Exactly what charges would Jones-Smith be jailed on?

JohnGalt23 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Try reading some of Queen Rania of Jordan’s writings. Or Bernard Lewis. Ayatollah Sistani in Iraq.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Oh! Have they written a new Qur’an?

BL@KBIRD on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

how did a lone gunman kill this many people with a handgun

jp on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM
It’s easy when no one else is armed.

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

A SRC would be jam-packed with soldiers and officers armed with nothing except their deployment paperwork. It’s frightening to think some of these soldiers had survived their previous tours only to be shot down by an Army Officer in what one would consider a safe haven.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Assuming, however, that simply because he has an Arabic name that he is a Muslim fanatic is not. That’s just racism.

[nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM]

No it’s not.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Dusty, that horse was beaten to death. Turned out it wasn’t a horse after all, just an ass with a big ego.

29Victor on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

islam is no religion. It is a satanic death cult.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

You are correct about renouncing ones citizenship, so that was a bad example on my part.

You still are being very heartless by not allowing people to grieve in their own way after the horrific events of the day.

So spare us the moral high ground speech. Your concerns are more for the criminal than Americans who feel victimized by this. Have some class and give it a rest for a few days.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

And yes, I have and continue to serve my country. I believe in putting my money where my mouth is.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:17 PM

I was thinking about making some comment about how working for ACORN doesn’t count, but decided against it.

So… JAG, getting the military to pay for your law school?

malclave on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Frankly, in your wildest dreams you would never guess what I do for a living.

But I am not a lawyer. Just someone who, having a good understanding of the Constitution, and having lived in very lousy parts of the world, really appreciates the rule of law.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Hopw about a new military policy here, a la the TX concealed-carry allowance: On base, even in the Continental US, every soldier is to have a sidearm?

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Did you read “Starship Troopers”?

[gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:43 PM]

No, why?

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

I think that has been changed in news to two guns with one of them being a semi automatic. Not sure .. can anyone verify?

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM

I haven’t heard the reports, but I’d expect both handguns to be semiautos. The Army doesn’t use revolvers any more, do they?

UltimateBob on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Did anyone else hear on Gretta that this tool went to Med School plus all on our dime…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

In one of the updates above, an Airforce officer, also a doctor said…when you recieve your medical license in the military, you are obligated to fulfill a certain amount of years of service to the military, in exchange for the gift of a medical license. Guess this dude wanted out yesterday!

capejasmine on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM

BTW, just so Hasan’s family knows for the future… Good Americans don’t shoot up our men and women in uniform…

MeatHeadinCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

…”very devout“.

Well, he certainly proved that today, didn’t he? He performed the ultimate Islamic sacrament– killing dirty kuffir.

“Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.” Koran 2:191

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Oh! Have they written a new Qur’an?

BL@KBIRD on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

They had to. The first one had pictures.

29Victor on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM

You say Hasan is nuts/crazy/loony? Don’t dignify this piece of filth. He’s evil.

OhioCoastie on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM

You are correct about renouncing ones citizenship, so that was a bad example on my part.

You still are being very heartless by not allowing people to grieve in their own way after the horrific events of the day.

So spare us the moral high ground speech. Your concerns are more for the criminal than Americans who feel victimized by this. Have some class and give it a rest for a few days.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

If we cannot be our best when things are at their worst, then what value do our beliefs really have?

Spewing hate on a public forum is not a valid means of venting, and I’ll call it out whenever I see it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM

I think we should use an approach I’ve seen used in this thread to our advantage. Anyone who is critical of Republicans is just straight up racist.

That’s right racist. Republicans are as much of a race is Muslims. Also, anyone who is critical of people who use Macs is also racist.

It is the perfect protect. It has no logic so it is completely unassailable.

Mormon Doc on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM

The guy was a “sleeper”.

Really Right on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM

People keep saying hanging. Stop it! It’s firing squad or bust, dammit.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

AND… only a ham sandwich as a last meal…force fed…;)

jerrytbg on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Don’t forget un-American. At least according to Jiminy Cricket. Hope you are doing well, all things considered.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

So, according to the most recent report it was a civilian first responder, woman who shot the bastard?

Excellent. It only seems fit that a woman should be the first to tag the islamist creep. Better aim next time, but good job. She is apparently injured as well, and I wish her my heartfelt prayers for a speedy recovery. Well done, sister.

Cody1991 on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Sorry. I was having a self-deprecating humor attack that boomeranged on you.

Loxodonta

Loxodonta: See,lox was kidding!:)

canopfor

My apologies, its been a long horrible day.

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Darn, I wish I was there to get a copy. I just ran out of toilet paper.

UltimateBob on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

I soooooooooo hope that’s sorta what neighbors are using “the free book from a neighbor” for tonight!
________________

sorta, sorta, sorta O/T

I wonder what Geert Wilders has to say about this massacre?

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

My God man, 12 soldiers are dead. Just go away!
Save your torture debate for another day.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:39 PM

And for them and their families, we pray tonight.

And also we pray for those wounded, that they will have a good and speedy recovery.

God bless them all tonight.

TXUS on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda?

I say we pin it on that anti-military rhetoric from Kos and other assorted moonbats.

ddrintn on November 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM

The Major was a devout muslim.

MB4 on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

The Husband says that there are 9 mm with clips that will hold 21.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Sounds right. Thanks Cindy :)

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Instead of couching, how about telling us what you do and how you do it? You bragged about being so moral, so how about telling us how you serve our country? And protect us?

You claim to being shit-hot. How about a detail or two? Or is that so classified you have to kill yourself or something?

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

I really don’t care what the Red Cross or Human Rights Watch call as torture. Frankly, they thought that common sense good safety measures, such as hooding the detainees in transport and shackling their feet was torture.
As for your other claims, such as being subjected to extremes of heat and cold, and Barry Manilow, please cite evidence.
nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Well you better start caring, because the last time I checked it wasn’t you who got to decide what the accepted definition of torture would be. I happen to believe that hooding a prisoner is torture so it better stop, why, because that is what I believe and I will now condemn your utter lack of morals for believing otherwise.

As for the music, here is one source of many, feel free to expand on it as needed using any popular search engine (I recommend BING). Pay careful attention to the official government PDF file:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/113479?comments=view&cID=1087720&pID=1084715

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Ronnie on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Obama was racist to give that speech in Cairo. He was just assuming there were muslims there.

Now that was clever and funny. Well done!

Mormon Doc on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

So all Muslims are terrorists…

GW_SS-Delta on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

For each time neutercizer posts some lame trollish idiocy and is rude to fellow posters I’m going place a big greasy booger in a copy of the koran at a local bookstore. Try me neutercizer… I’ve got a lot of boogers.

chicagojedi on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Bishop….

Actually much of the world does consider the targeting of groups of people that are not necessarily a member of a race as in caucasians or asian. The Jews are not a race in the traditional sense but they are the targets too of racism.

Substitute bigotry if one must but in recent history his use of the term is in line.

—-

See also the definition of race:

race (rās)

noun

1. any of the different varieties or populations of human beings distinguished by a) physical traits such as hair, eyes, skin color, body shape, etc.: traditionally, the three primary divisions are Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid, although many subdivisions of these are also called racesb) blood types c) genetic code patterns d) all their inherited characteristics which are unique to their isolated breeding population
2.
1. the state of belonging to such a population
2. the qualities, traits, etc. belonging, or
supposedly belonging, to such a population
3. loosely
1. any geographical population
2. any population sharing the same activities, habits, ideas, etc.
4. any group of people having the same ancestry; family; clan; lineage
5. Biol.
1. a subspecies, or variety
2. breed ()
6. Rare distinctive flavor, taste, etc., as of wine

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

This happened at Ft. Hood.

crr6 on November 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Troll dufus proves he’s completely ignorant of the military. Only the MPs would be armed. Every other soldier would be completely defenseless. We don’t walk around with our weapons like the movies you stupid f*ck.

Geez, google before you post about the military.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Hey Nemonazi, or whatever you are, have you noticed that the moderate muslims have yet to condemn this atrocity against our gallant military? I am so sick of people and some in my own family who will defend every murderous scum that comes along. I am not a barbarian and I believe in the law but when our military can’t weed out vermin like this because they will be accused of being anti-muslim, then its a time for a major change in who gets to serve in the military. Nemonanci please consider the families today who lost loved ones.

garydt on November 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Well, he certainly proved that today, didn’t he? He performed the ultimate Islamic sacrament– killing dirty kuffir.

[Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 10:46 PM]

What else was he supposed to do? He had no kids to run over with his car for being too Westernized.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM

They better mop up the rest of his cell. They are posing as shop keepers and families all over the country.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM

So all Muslims are terrorists…

GW_SS-Delta on November 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

No.

But almost all terrorists ARE muslims.

surely you agreee

battleoflepanto1571 on November 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009

I’ve got your name (yes it’s as “hawkdriver” :) on our prayer bulletin board at my church. The preschoolers read out the names once a week and pray for everyone on that list. Stay safe!

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:50 PM

No, why?

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM

precis:

One of the recruits went AWOL. Killed a child. Was caught and returned to training camp for trial. Hung. Bullet was too good for him.

One of Heinlein’s best bits.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Tonight I’m fixin to marinate my ammo in pig blood and relish the thought of sending these insane psychopath zealots to an eternity burning in hell without their 72 skanks.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 5, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Gave his furniture away? So he was going for martyrdom and the big Moop whorehouse in the sky.

BL@KBIRD on November 5, 2009 at 10:50 PM

People keep saying hanging. Stop it! It’s firing squad or bust, dammit.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Dignified soldiers, like Nathan Hale, deserve firing squads. Hanging befits traitors and other criminals.

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:50 PM

suggest that you go back to pages 7-10 or so, where the posters first started speculating about the shooter’s motivation when they heard he had an Arabic name. They automatically assumed that he was Muslim and was a jihadist, both explicitly and implicitly. That’s the most basic form of racism.

And yes, I do get angry when bigots masquerading as conservatives give us all a bad name. It offends my basic sense of decency. It should offend yours as well.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM

As it turns out he was ,who knew? Go back to cair and tell them you fail .. Maybe they won’t cut your head off.

huckelberry on November 5, 2009 at 10:51 PM

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:42 PM

I suspect nemecizer has an inferiority complex of sorts. That is the only way I can explain his heartlessness on one of the most horrific days in American history. And not just for Americans. This is a bad day for Muslims who do not subscribe to the exercising of the horror of the Muslim faith. I am speaking of those persons who suffer indignities and even death at the hands of their families for daring to reject the religion of their forefathers.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 10:51 PM

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