Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.


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And if you ascribe to the hate that is prevalent in some of the posts on this thread, then you are morally quite close to the ideology you say inspired MAJ Hasan.

And yes, I have and continue to serve my country. I believe in putting my money where my mouth is.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:17 PM

If your tender wittle sensibilities are so threatened then leave the thread.

alwaysright43 on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

I can’t take it.
First Shep Smith, now this nemecizer fool.

I’m out.

Prayers of peace to the families of the fallen. Bless them all.

And, psst, nemecizer..I hope they’ve got the shooter in a hospital bed and are not giving him any pain meds…and they are all poking him with sharp instruments..and tickling him…constantly.
ahh, that felt good. I hope YOU lose sleep over my DEPRAVITY.

sheesh

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Look for Mainstream Media hacks to have another “Balloon Boy” story for tomorrow morning.

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

So you would advocate releasing all the detainees currently held at Gitmo?

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Absolutely not. But they are subject to a different jurisdiction than MAJ Hasan, who is a US citizen and who committed a crime in the US. He is not an enemy combatant captured on the battlefield.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

People who call for punishment without due process of law, no matter how hateful and evil the crime, are morally equivalent to the accused.

Anything else is barbarism.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009
And people like you, and the lawyers like you who have infested our legal system and turned it from JUSTICE system into only a LEGAL system would smile at the scenario and say yep, that’s how civilized folks work.

So, here’s the scenario:

A man, in front of a standing jury of 12, a sitting judge, and a couple lawyers…as well as rolling cameras, goes forward pulls out a gun, and blows the brains out of an innocent person watching court procedings.

Bleeding hearts who care nothing about JUSTICE, just LAW, would object to calling him the killer, you can only call him the alleged gunman, and would insist he get a date set for a trial, and a tax payer paid defense attorney.

Rational thinking people who believe in Justice would take him out to the nearest tree and hang him. He just had all the time he deserves before a jury of 12 and a sitting judge, and there’s nothing alleged at all about what he did, it’s a fact.

I’m sick of the legal system, lets see some justice again.

flyfishingdad on November 5, 2009 at 10:11 PM

–The West had its own type of frontier justice in the 1800s. After a time, the survivors didn’t like it because the only thing that mattered was who had the quicker, more accurate hand and gun.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Jimbo3, timestamp this because for once we agree! Well said.

rukiddingme on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

I sure hope this doesn’t reflect poorly on all of the f*****g muslims. Profiling is soooo wrong.

Star20 on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, please stop feeding the troll. If he gets too fat he won’t be able to get his free healthcare.

boomer on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

nemecizer

OT
What are your thoughts on:
Gun control
Welfare
Abortion
Taxation
McCain Feingold-Campaign Finance Reform
The Borders
CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Great questions!

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Trust me, when it comes to Hasan’s trial it will be with a CAIR financed defense lawyer and all sorts of Imams on the airwaves blaming the US military for this bastard’s rampage. The Muslims in America will not speak out for justice when it matters.

highhopes on November 5, 2009 at 10:09 PM

It should be a military trial with military-appointed lawyer, shoudn’t it? (Fantasy based on Heinlein again). Gallows outside the courtroom door ?

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

MOTHER OF ALL THREADS!!

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

We have no need of a conscience

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Then you are fundamentally un-American and don’t deserve to call yourself one.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

I can’t take it.
First Shep Smith, now this nemecizer fool.

I’m out.

Prayers of peace to the families of the fallen. Bless them all.

And, psst, nemecizer..I hope they’ve got the shooter in a hospital bed and are not giving him any pain meds…and they are all poking him with sharp instruments..and tickling him…constantly.
ahh, that felt good. I hope YOU lose sleep over my DEPRAVITY.

sheesh

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

If nothing else a little pig plasma in the veins would be nice.

Amadeus on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

I hold the very definition of high moral ground, not to mention just common decency.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 9:43 PM
You have got to be kidding. You’re the worst troll ever.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Yes, but a Troll on a Hill.

29Victor on November 5, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Ladies and Gents….. We have a winner!

phineas on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

And I will add this and I am done:
After 2 min.,180 words about himself later, Obama finally said (paraphrasing) “I wanted to talk more, but some of you might have heard…”

JellyToast on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Please stop feeding it. It’s disrupting this thread in a manner that’s disrespectful to our dead.

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM

BL@KBIRD on November 5, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Roger that!

Mormon Doc on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM

I’m starting to have trouble with comments now.

boomer on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:16 PM

I like you and Ann, but as resident lefties you just have to put up with some ridicule from time to time.

I’m extremely stressed from today’s events and need to vent. No hard feelings about describing the devil spawn you and she would produce in your unholy consummation as the ‘supertroll’.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM

You have absolutely no idea where my concerns lie beyond what I have written.
nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:11 PM

The words you wrote define you, and I used them. If you feel there’s more to clarify, go for it.

But you haven’t said a thing against my claim you hold more care for Hasan than for the families of his victims.

People here are blowing off steam; we’re outraged! And we have right to be. Our feeling are valid and you, as a self-declared compassionate conservative should know that feelings are okay, always. Actions are the telling factor.

Ever hate your girlfriend if for even a minute? Ever want to just spank your kid’s butt? They’re feelings, fully legitimate. To demand people NOT even feelings is to be like Thought Police–it’s ‘evil’ to not have an emotional reaction.

But you draw a parallel between emotion and action. Well, no one from here is trying to assassinate Hasan. But Hasan assassinated a bunch of people–people who had hopes, dreams, loves, and people in their lives who loved them. Now that’s all gone, thanks to Hasan.

How about condemning Hasan for juuuust one post, rather than people here who are simply speaking they’re fully-legitimate feelings.

Or does that fly in the face your liberal self-professed moral high ground?

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM

nemecizer

OT
What are your thoughts on:
Gun control
Welfare
Abortion
Taxation
McCain Feingold-Campaign Finance Reform
The Borders
CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Great questions!

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

nemecizer … seriously where do you stand on these issues

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

This just proves what a super-duper idea it would be to have KSM in a civilian prison. I think something near Dearborn, MI would be great, y’know what I mean?
/s

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Absolutely not. But they are subject to a different jurisdiction than MAJ Hasan, who is a US citizen and who committed a crime in the US. He is not an enemy combatant captured on the battlefield.
nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

So that…uh…dignified morality you claimed to possess, it stops at the U.S. border? You realize that the terrorists, er I mean detainees being kept at Gitmo are being tortured, yes?

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

AGAIN, for our LGF/Kos arsetard troll:

If Hasan had a bad breakup, were the local drug thug, or had bats in his belfry, we would have heard about it hours ago—if nothing else, to kill the “OMG is this a terrorist attack?” meme.

That we know nothing of the sort yet speaks volumes.

Sekhmet on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Trust me, when it comes to Hasan’s trial it will be with a CAIR financed defense lawyer and all sorts of Imams on the airwaves blaming the US military for this bastard’s rampage.

CAIR Statement:”We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that
the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No political or
religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate
violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the
all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our
fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere
condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

MAJ is a term of respect. You keep referring to this killer as Major, while simultaneously smearing a military spouse for being saddened and outraged that service members now have to worry about being murdered on base here at home in addition to their deployments.

Enjoy that moral high ground.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM

MAJ is a rank. I respect the rank until the Army, by due process of the UCMJ, tells me that the individual no longer holds that rank. It is independent of the individual who holds the rank. In the same manner I respect the office of the Presidency irrespective of my feelings towards the current holder of that office.

As for the military spouse I “smeared”, I merely pointed out that she wrote something incredibly despicable. She “smeared” herself.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Then you are fundamentally un-American and don’t deserve to call yourself one.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Ok , we wont call our self un-American. Deal , promise.

the_nile on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

You were never going to vote for her anyways. So why did you lie?)

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:16 PM

There was always the chance that she could do something awesome (*snort*) and/or Rick Perry would do something idiotic between the primary and now.
But Kay Bailout put paid to that today–I’ve never seen such pathetic pandering to PC sensibilities.
She is complete toast after the Ft. Hood massacre.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Jimbo3, timestamp this because for once we agree! Well said.

rukiddingme on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

–Good night all. Get some sleep.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Please pray for the families tonight.

publiuspen on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Basil Fawlty on November 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Clearly not a jihadi/islamist. Very devout is five times a day.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

It brings up a good question. He’s military and it happened on a military base, which is federal property. I would think the military will try and punish him. Does Texas law have anything to do with it?

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM

I’m not sure, I suspect that it is a federal crime since it occurred on federal property and is probably under their jurisdiction. All I can say is Uncle Sam is pretty crappy at doling out justice properly.

Turn him over to us Sam. We will take care of business.

conservnut on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Frankly, you don’t know what his ideology is. So you are simply guessing.

he was rather free expressing what his ideology is – I really don’t think he left a lot of room for imagination. suicide bomber are “heroes”. now what what religion promotes that, I wonder?

runner on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Gallows outside the courtroom door ?

[gh on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM]

People keep saying hanging. Stop it! It’s firing squad or bust, dammit.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

And I will add this and I am done:
After 2 min.,180 words about himself later, Obama finally said (paraphrasing) “I wanted to talk more, but some of you might have heard…”

JellyToast on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM

The man is a complete disgrace. He is not fit to be CiC. He cares more about giving a “shout out” to the medicine man than tending to the soldiers and nation under his care.

TheBigOldDog on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Hey hey hey hey hey…don’t talk as though we’re not here!
I surely deserve whatever calumny you can fling my way, but Anne deserves to be respected as a lady until circumstances (and not politics) prove otherwise.
Besides, last time I had a love child I had to marry the girl. Not a bad 20 years and counting, but I’m more careful now.
Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:16 PM

I did sort of defend you both, right?

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

I dislike reading hateful comments so I am going to stick around, hitting refresh, and reading them all. Then Post nonsense and how I am better than everyone else.
Love, Douchebag Troll/s

kahall on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Of course they are going to release a statement like that. They don’t want anyone with torches and pitchforks showing up at their doors.

boomer on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

HotAir again shows why it’s the best blog in the business. I’ve been coming here for updates all day.

nickj116 on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Here’s my prediction:

If an investigation is done into why this guy was promoted and not tossed out on his ass it will be discovered that it’s because his superiors (or whomever was responsible) were worried that they would be smeared with the career-ending charge of “bigot” or “Islamophobe.”

29Victor on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

I’m so sad for our troops and their families. I hear morale is very low, this is going to be very hard for them.

If there are any troops on this thread: I THANK YOU for your service!! THANK YOU for keeping my family safe and for all the freedom I enjoy. Thank you & hugs to you and your families. God Bless.

Love,

TN Mom

TN Mom on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

POLITICALLY CORRECT MORONISN ON DISPLAY

A story you won’t read anytime soon…

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected shooter (the pastor of The First Methodist Church) had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings robbing banks and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Minister Jones-Smith, who was killed during the robbery that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened….

Does anyone here beside nemecizer doubt that Jones-Smith would have been thrown in jail months ago?

Basilsbest on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

STILL ALIVE!?!?!?

LYNCH THIS CONTEMPTABLE PIECE OF EXCREMENT AND HANG HIM WITH PIG ENTRAILS.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

So that…uh…dignified morality you claimed to possess, it stops at the U.S. border? You realize that the terrorists, er I mean detainees being kept at Gitmo are being tortured, yes?

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

The dignified morality I possess is adherence to the fundamental principles of the United States and our system of justice as the embody the core principles that make this country great.

And the detainees are not being tortured. That is a serious accusation and I would hope that you have the evidence to back it up.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:16 PM
I like you and Ann, but as resident lefties you just have to put up with some ridicule from time to time.

I’m extremely stressed from today’s events and need to vent. No hard feelings about describing the devil spawn you and she would produce in your unholy consummation as the ’supertroll’.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 10:22 PM

I took it in the spirit in which it was given. I get pissed soemtimes like everybody else, but I try to roll with it. As I said, I was inly trying to defend a lady’s virtue because I have none of my own to defend.

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Did anyone else hear on Gretta that this tool went to Med School plus all on our dime…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

If he did it on tape and I saw it I’d have no problem calling him the murderer. However, I did not see what MAJ Hasan is alleged to have done, and therefore, as an American, cannot in good conscience call him guilty. I can say I *think* he is guilty as hell (and in fact I do), but to make a simple declarative statement that he is, in fact, guilty and there worthy of summary punishment is simply un-American.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:14 PM

You must be a tenured member of academia. There is no way you productively function as a member of society in any kind of non-’intellectual’ capacity.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

CAIR is practicing takiyyyah!

honsy on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Then you are fundamentally un-American and don’t deserve to call yourself one.
nMEMECZARizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Who let Sissy Matthews in?

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

I hope they HANG him!

GarandFan on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

29Victor on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

+

I could definitely see that as a possibility

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

And yes, I have and continue to serve my country. I believe in putting my money where my mouth is.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:17 PM

I was thinking about making some comment about how working for ACORN doesn’t count, but decided against it.

So… JAG, getting the military to pay for your law school?

malclave on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Well, you just lost all my respect.

As I’ve never asked for it and don’t require it that’s irrelevant. Doesn’t change the fact I appreciate someone who always strives for reasonable discussion and doesn’t stoop to the level of the trolls.

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

MOTHER OF ALL THREADS!!

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Yeah, and it was 99% shite.

I was on it earlier, and 99% of what was being passed on was bullshite.

pseudonominus on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Did anyone else hear on Gretta that this tool went to Med School plus all on our dime…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Seven Percent Solution: The Enemy Within!!

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

CAIR Statement:”We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that
the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No political or
religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate
violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the
all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our
fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere
condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

Smart of CAIR to come out so hard against the guy. They aren’t equivocating the way the media and our own military is. They know something like this could lead to a backlash against Muslim Americans, hell look at some of the comments in this thread. This monster slipped through the cracks while he slipped up the chain of command, the blood is on the PC policies of todays military and the monster himself.

Daemonocracy on November 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM

beachgirlusa

Allahpundit on twitter:

Yes, am aware of glitch in our Fort Hood post. At the mercy of our tech guys
18 minutes ago from Seesmic

So they’re working on it. Kind of a bad time for it to go down. Sheesh.

jimmy the notable

Thx Jimmy.

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM

And the detainees are not being tortured. That is a serious accusation and I would hope that you have the evidence to back it up.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Dick Durbin said they were. If you can’t believe a Senator from Illinois, who can you believe?

malclave on November 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM

You must be a tenured member of academia. There is no way you productively function as a member of society in any kind of non-’intellectual’ capacity.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

I disagree on MEMECZAR’s employment. He could very well could work for AARP or be running for mayor of Atlanta… ;P

Branch Rickey on November 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Absolutely not. But they are subject to a different jurisdiction than MAJ Hasan, who is a US citizen and who committed a crime in the US. He is not an enemy combatant captured on the battlefield.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

That’s right – He’s a military officer guilty of treason and murder. Death should be swift.

chicagojedi on November 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM

And others of us generalize because we don’t know which Muslims to trust.

splink on November 5, 2009 at 8:07 PM

It’s difficult, I admit. Being cautious seems prudent. But going out of one’s way to throw insults at every member of the group seems more likely to promote hostilities and attacks, rather than reduce them.

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 8:14 PM

I don’t think the muzzies need any prompting to be hostile or murderous.

huckelberry on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

By the way, this will probably be lost in the clutter, but good job tonight AP. This is why HA is the best site in the business.

conservnut on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

CAIR Statement:”We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that
the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No political or
religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate
violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the
all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our
fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere
condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Damn CAIR is just now apologizing for 9/11!! Boy that only took 8 years.

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

As I’ve never asked for it and don’t require it that’s irrelevant. Doesn’t change the fact I appreciate someone who always strives for reasonable discussion and doesn’t stoop to the level of the trolls.

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

beachgirlusa: I think Lox was joking:)

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Let me clarify. We don’t need you as our conscience.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Greta is POed about the “stress” theory.

MeatHeadinCA on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Good for her – but she’s on FoxNews and will widely ignored by the ‘white-house approved’ media.

But — if you think about it — if your religion asked you to kill people, people who have done nothing to you, just because they were not part of your religion, wouldn’t you be a little stressed out? I know I would be.

Not that I want to give his attorneys any defense ideas…

I’m glad that the police officer who shot the Major is going to be okay, but I wish she had used a larger gun.

Timothy S. Carlson on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

nemecizer

OT
What are your thoughts on:
Gun control
Welfare
Abortion
Taxation
McCain Feingold-Campaign Finance Reform
The Borders
CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Great questions!

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

nemecizer … seriously where do you stand on these issues

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Gun control: I believe that the 2nd Amendment gives every American a personal right to self-defense. I am a gun owner.

Welfare: I believe that a moderate social safety net is a reasonable role of the government, but that it should be used as a last resort and there is never an excuse not to work

Abortion: I believe that abortion should be legal, with common sense restrictions.

Taxation: I am in favor of a flat tax of no more than 15% on an income, no matter how derived.

Finance reform: I believe it is a violation of Constitutional free speech.

The borders: I believe that people in this country illegally should be deported.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Test (sorry)

RD on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

People who call for punishment without due process of law, no matter how hateful and evil the crime, are morally equivalent to the accused.

Anything else is barbarism.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM

The Court of Law is entirely different than the Court of Public Opinion. The only justification for your countless hours of name calling and hypocrisy is that you are too dense and/or stupid to apply the difference.

But to make you happy…

IF Major Hasan pulled the trigger today, he deserves to die for his crimes. Period.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

conservnut at 10:24
I spent some time in the courtrooms at Ft. Hood in 1970-71, and I have spent a lot of time in other courtrooms around our great country in all the years since 1971.
The best justice I have seen was dished out at Ft. Hood, sometimes in favor of the defendant.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Advertiser to HA:

“Can you tell me why you raised your advertising rates?”

Allah:

“Nov 5, 2009 3:44 PM by Allahpundit
3310 Comments » | 31 Trackbacks”

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

I did sort of defend you both, right?

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:24 PM

As I told BadgerHawk, I was not offended. To the contrary.

Of course they are going to release a statement like that. They don’t want anyone with torches and pitchforks showing up at their doors.

boomer on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

I think it’s a pretty strong statement and I’d not that an advocay organization like CAIR’s stock in trade is words, and so they weigh them carefully.

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

I hope they HANG him!

GarandFan on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

GarandFan: And to make sure,bring in the firing squad!:)

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

how did a lone gunman kill this many people with a handgun

jp on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Did anyone else hear on Gretta that this tool went to Med School plus all on our dime…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Seven Percent Solution: The Enemy Within!!

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Yes, according to NYTimes (ok, but maybe they’re accurate this time), he wanted out of the military, but they would have asked for reimbursement. In his case, they told him he had to fulfill his commitment regardless. Probably shortage of doctors.

Wethal on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

He is not an enemy combatant captured on the battlefield.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Do you have proof of that? He could have renounced his citizenship earlier in the day.

See, you like the assumptions you make but want to deny others their own.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Did anyone else hear on Gretta that this MAJOR tool went to Med School plus all on our dime…?
Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

That’s: MAJOR tool went to Med School plus all on our dime.
[Stepping in here for ya 'nemecizer ', you can thank me later]

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

I’ll be stunned if this guy’s lawyer doesn’t have ties to CAIR.

Ronnie on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Let me clarify. We don’t need you as our conscience.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

You may not want it, and it’s clear that I am not the right messenger to reach your hateful heart, but you definitely need it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Yeah, and it was 99% shite.
I was on it earlier, and 99% of what was being passed on was bullshite.
pseudonominus on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

And yet you’re still here.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Who pays you to be here, nemecizer?

RightWinged on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

He’s still alive? Excellent. Where do I volunteer to personally press the button on the lethal injection machine? That scumbag deserves much worse, but I’ll take what I can get.

KSgop on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

As for the military spouse I “smeared”, I merely pointed out that she wrote something incredibly despicable. She “smeared” herself.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

She spoke her feelings and that’s perfectly okay. Do deny that right is to be like Thought Police.

Liam on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Malik Nadal Hasan is a putrefied, ratshit bag of scum.

jaime on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Sorry. I was having a self-deprecating humor attack that boomeranged on you.

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

BURY THIS SLIME ALIVE IN A PIT FILLED WITH ROTTING PIG ENTRAILS.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

nemecizer I WILL BOUNCE YOURSONIFASHIT HEAD OFF THE FLOOR!!

abobo on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM

The dignified morality I possess is adherence to the fundamental principles of the United States and our system of justice as the embody the core principles that make this country great.
And the detainees are not being tortured. That is a serious accusation and I would hope that you have the evidence to back it up.
nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:25 PM

They are being detained against their will. They are subjected to periods of extreme heat, cold, and having their lights on 24/7. They are forced to listen to the same music repeatedly, often Barry Manilow. They have not been charged with a crime, many of them, yet are still imprisoned. They are given only military lawyers and not lawyers of their choosing. They are not allowed contact with their families.

Pick one of the above and you will find such organizations as Human Rights Watch and the American Red Cross defining it as torture.

Those core principles you hold so dear are being broken on a daily basis at Gitmo, why aren’t you advocating on behalf of the human beings imprisoned at that facility?

Bishop on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Since downtown Silver Spring was redeveloped with the Discovery Channel HQ, American Film Institute, lots of shops and restaurants, it’s common to see wounded vets and their families come from Walter Reed to spend an afternoon out. To think this guy was working around these brave men and women is absolutely sickening.

Christien on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM

the “Stress Theory” is the wet dream of the left, sadly enough

jp on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Damn CAIR is just now apologizing for 9/11!! Boy that only took 8 years.

Dire Straits on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Maybe they were watching the GOP sweep Tuesday night too!

JellyToast on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Did anyone else hear on Gretta that this tool went to Med School plus all on our dime…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

That wouldn’t surprise me. We’re screwing ourselves like the Brits have…. open your society, spend your taxpayers’ money (against their will), Phuck your country and everything it stands for. INOW, commit suicide.

Congratulations, America. You are now as pathetic as the Brits. It’s an expensive form of self-flagellation that guarantees your death as a country. Well done.

Cody1991 on November 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Gee,,you think maybe he will get nailed for a “hate crime” since that was added to the defense appropriations bill or maybe because he was of the Islam persuasion[the religion of peace] he cannot be guilty of hate. Makes me sick. We are infected by this PC crap and it is getting people killed.

retiredeagle on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Oh good statement. Straight from Geobbels. Until Abe Hooper starts his TV tour decrying the racist environment in the US and the military that caused this butcher to go on his rampage. (He’s done it before)

CAIR would rather defend PC than the Constitution.

hawkdriver on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

You crazed liberal!

/

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Then your next step is to find some compassion and allow people to vent their grief without venting your own on them by deriding them.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Do you have proof of that? He could have renounced his citizenship earlier in the day.

See, you like the assumptions you make but want to deny others their own.

csdeven on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

In order to renounce his citizenship he would have to make such a declaration in front of a duly sworn officer of the US government and sign a declaration to that extent. If he did so I doubt he would be in an area processing deployments overseas.

So that’s a pretty safe assumption. Assuming, however, that simply because he has an Arabic name that he is a Muslim fanatic is not. That’s just racism.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

nemecizer
You’re a voice of reason in a dark sea of hatred and ignorance. If all conservatives were like you the world would be a great place.

Grow Fins on November 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Sounds like you guys need to get a room…

lovingmyUSA on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Indeed, I am known far and wide for my hateful heart. Stop pretending you know anyone here.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Let me clarify. We don’t need you as our conscience.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Cindy Munford: Forget this idoit troll,hes a Liberal
mascot,a,

JACK*SS!!!!!!!!:)

Btw,HawkDriver is on this thread!:)

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM

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