Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.


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This could easily be some soldiers who lost it.
Many at Fort Hood have seen multiple duty in theater.

Worth waiting before speculating about the perps.

rickyricardo on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Then why didn’t you?

I’m on anti-depressents due to anger issues. If it wasn’t for drugs and therapy I’d be locked up.

I have no regrets about mny service, however car bombs and the 24/7 stress worried about car bombs take their toll.

rickyricardo on November 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM

red winger on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

I hate to be crass here, but I’m pretty sure the ‘left’ that you speak of don’t give one rat’s bottom about the lives of our men and women who serve in our military.
This I come at by the gnashing and wailing that I heard directed at GWBush that silenced when Obama walked into the Oval office. I could be wrong, but I won’t hold my breath on the ‘left’ waking up to anything.

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Obama better and pray that this is not a terrorist attack.

thmcbb on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Shouldn’t we all?

YYZ on November 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM

I would agree if there was 1 shooter. There is an ideology involved.

Itchee Dryback on November 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Or a couple or three nutbars … I’m sure some real information will be available soon.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM

“in a Major’s uniform”

That doesn’t sound right to me….

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM

BreakingNews: President Obama informed about mass shooting at Fort Hood.

Tread…very…carefully.

We are watching, and your record on these things sucks.

MadisonConservative on November 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

M-16 used…

right2bright on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

source?

pseudonominus on November 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

SHEP SMITH, YOU ROTTEN FILTH. SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Most M-16s have been phased out of the Army. They are still around but most soldiers use M-4s.

davenp35 on November 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Ft. Benning was also the same way. And they attracted alot more heat from protestors because of the ongoing SOA controversy

JVelez on November 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Thank you to everyone who’s providing updates in the comments.

To everyone who’s simply speculating on sh!t, please give it a rest.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

IF anyone thinks that the ARMY policy of no allowing their soldiers to be armed on an ARMY BASE is a good idea raise their hands

It is a good idea.

Train a better security force, if needed, but there is no reason for guys to wander base around with live ammo.

reaganaut on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Not gun free but the weapons are kept locked up to prevent loss or theft and so are tough to get out rapidly.
.
When people thought up the rules they never thought we might need to respond in 30 seconds to an attack on a military base.

LincolntheHun on November 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Yeah because the Ft DIX planned attack was a bunch of amtuers and could never have occured and Bush’s admin overplayed the danger to prey on our fears or at least that is what the media told us at the time.

And the rules are stupid and designed by liberals who are more afriad of armed soldiers on an ARMY base than miss understood terrorists/nut jobs.

the rules need to be changed. But that would require common sense and that has been outlawed by the liberals over the last 3 generations.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Most M-16s have been phased out of the Army

Well most reporters think an AR is an M-16 so who knows what they mean by that?

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Dear Lord…
my prayers are with the troops…
I hope everything ends ok.

nyx on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

source?

pseudonominus on November 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Live report from a general talking to Fox.

RagTag on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Thank you to everyone who’s providing updates in the comments.

To everyone who’s simply speculating on sh!t, please give it a rest.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Some people just don’t understand.

upinak on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Disgruntled military, I guess? None of the possible motivations here are palatable, obviously.

changer1701 on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I have no regrets about mny service, however car bombs and the 24/7 stress worried about car bombs take their toll.
rickyricardo on November 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Thank you for your service, and I hope you have a rapid recovery.

Outlander on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Screw it with the nonspeculation meme! These aren’t rogue Baptists wandering on base shooting people. They’re islamists.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

SHEP SMITH, YOU ROTTEN FILTH. SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

What`s Shep doing now?

ThePrez on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Totally orchestrated. Shootings on opposite sides of the compound.

andy85719 on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

It will be very interesting to see how the President reacts to a situation such as this one, where it’s so difficult to make it all about himself.

fusionaddict on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Is Obama in attendance at the briefings?

Key West Reader on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I would not put alot of faith in reports about the weapons used. They are usually wrong.

mad saint jack on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

source?

pseudonominus on November 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

How about look up and scroll up.

upinak on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Let’s cue the hysterical leftwing accusations and conspiracy theories…

joeindc44 on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

SHEP SMITH, YOU ROTTEN FILTH. SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 4:14 PM

What’d Poindexter say now?

I’m watching an NBC feed here

Ugly on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Why do you think they are not even giving a description? There are reasons for that.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

STFU for a bit, please.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Def orchestrated, but we dont know the shooters…..

JVelez on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Just speculating, but IF these were soldiers who flipped, I think there would have been enough witnesses who would have recognized them and the authorities would have their identities by now. That we don’t know their identity or status yet makes me suspect these were not our guys.

karlant on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

I hate to be crass here, but I’m pretty sure the ‘left’ that you speak of don’t give one rat’s bottom about the lives of our men and women who serve in our military.

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM
——-
Question for the moron (you)
Who exactly makes up the military?

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Is there a report of any action being taken at other military bases? Would a base in NW TX or LA go on lockdown if it’s suspected that it is a rouge soldier?

dish on November 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM

You can buy Military Uniforms easily on internet.

jp on November 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Just speculating, but IF these were soldiers who flipped, I think there would have been enough witnesses who would have recognized them and the authorities would have their identities by now. That we don’t know their identity or status yet makes me suspect these were not our guys.

karlant on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

How about STFU and stop speculating.

Thank you for your cooperation!

upinak on November 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM

You can buy Military Uniforms easily on internet

That’s precisely my point…..

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Thank you for your service, and I hope you have a rapid recovery.
Outlander on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Notion seconded

blatantblue on November 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Just speculating, but IF these were soldiers who flipped, I think there would have been enough witnesses who would have recognized them and the authorities would have their identities by now. That we don’t know their identity or status yet makes me suspect these were not our guys.

karlant on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

That base is as large as a medium-sized city. You aren’t going to know everyone. Especially when they all dress alike.

CDeb on November 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Obama better and pray that this is not a terrorist attack.

thmcbb on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

The attack already happened. would it be better if soldiers went wild on a base?

Phoenician on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Oh my God…

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

For one bloody day can you refrain from name calling?

rukiddingme on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Not gun free but the weapons are kept locked up to prevent loss or theft and so are tough to get out rapidly.
.
When people thought up the rules they never thought we might need to respond in 30 seconds to an attack on a military base.

LincolntheHun on November 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Yeah because the Ft DIX planned attack was a bunch of amtuers and could never have occured and Bush’s admin overplayed the danger to prey on our fears or at least that is what the media told us at the time.

And the rules are stupid and designed by liberals who are more afriad of armed soldiers on an ARMY base than miss understood terrorists/nut jobs.

the rules need to be changed. But that would require common sense and that has been outlawed by the liberals over the last 3 generations.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM
——-
Have you written your letter to bush jr and sr about your outrage that they didn’t “change the rules” when they held the conch for 16 years?

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Dressed in fatigues means nothing. My buddy bought real fatigues off the internet for a Halloween costume.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

I’m watching the Texas Channel. Best place for updates.

newton on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Now 30 wounded.

andy85719 on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

How many attacks on military bases and enlistment offices by islmamist nuts does there have to be before we can state the obvious?

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

first of all:

Nah, it’s the Mormons.

lonestar1 on November 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

equals total douchetacular.
and secondly, may the righteous wrath of the us army come down hard on anyone and everyone involved with the perps.

TruthBeTold2 on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

what the hell are the police doing on an ARMY BASE should not the ARMY I don’t know patrol and defend THEIR BASE. I am living in an insane world where common sense no longer survives.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

The military has their own police on base, known simply as: Military Police.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Question for the moron (you)
Who exactly makes up the military?

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

If you don’t know, that makes you the moron.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Just speculating, but IF these were soldiers who flipped, I think there would have been enough witnesses who would have recognized them and the authorities would have their identities by now. That we don’t know their identity or status yet makes me suspect these were not our guys.

karlant on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Possibly, but there are about 100,000 people at Hood when units aren’t deployed. I work in a buiding of a couple hundred here in WI and don’t know a quarter of the people.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

16 Hour rule.

Key West Reader on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

For one bloody day can you refrain from name calling?

rukiddingme on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM
—–
Not when idiot Americans say outrageously idiotic things about their fellow Americans.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Obama better and pray that this is not a terrorist attack.

thmcbb on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM
“Terrorist” is no longer used in this administration. Did you not get that memo?

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

No kidding. Waiting for Obama’s people to declare this another man made catastrophe.

Prayers to all troops, their families, and all who work at Fort Hood! God Bless!!!

capejasmine on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Have you written your letter to bush jr and sr about your outrage that they didn’t “change the rules” when they held the conch for 16 years?

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

12 years, Mr. Math Major

CDeb on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

May these people be caught and no more bloodshed.

gophergirl on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

I’ve got the CBS feed up someone posted above. They’ve been talking to a mother whose husband is in Iraq and is going crazy trying to find out about his kids.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

What’d Poindexter say now?

I’m watching an NBC feed here

Ugly on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Shep is already trying to label this as disgruntled soldiers without knowing one damned fact.

I demand Shep step down.

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Not when idiot Americans say outrageously idiotic things about their fellow Americans.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Please, take this the wrong way: F**K OFF.

MadisonConservative on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Have you written your letter to bush jr and sr about your outrage that they didn’t “change the rules” when they held the conch for 16 years?

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

This is not about Bush, moron.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Anyone know if the FBI being on route is SOP?

Rational Thought on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Question for the moron (you)
Who exactly makes up the military?

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

If you don’t know, that makes you the moron.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM
——
You didn’t understand the question. That’s okay.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Now 30 wounded.

andy85719 on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Oh no

gophergirl on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

It is a good idea.

Train a better security force, if needed, but there is no reason for guys to wander base around with live ammo.

reaganaut on November 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

ROFL….No reason for soldiers on an ARMY base to be armed. what happens in a surprise attack? what happens if sappers get into an ARMY base. We just surrender? I suppose therer is no reason for citizens to be armed on the streets either. Juast train a better police force.

an ARMY,AIR FORCE, NAVY base should be the most secured, most armed place in the world. It should not be a daycare, school, shopping center. An ARMY BASE’S function is toobase the army our rapid defense forces that protect the country. We have become too soft if people can not understand what an ARMY base is and sis suppose to do. Every soldier should be armed.

the only reason you would keep live ammo out of the hands of your soldiers is if you do not trust your soldiers or you are worried about a coup. The liberals have villified our soldiers over the last 40 years to the point where they think of them as the enemy.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

I don’t normally say these sorts of things, but you need to shut the fuck up. Right now.

fusionaddict on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:17 PM

First, the comment’s not that far off from reality. Second, for this one thread, on this one day, please don’t be an a$$.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

One thing said by Cavuto: They are deploying the FBI which is unusual. Please let this turn out to be okay. What weapons are stored at Fort Hood? Were our sons and daughters shot while trying to defend?

Key West Reader on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Have you written your letter to bush jr and sr about your outrage that they didn’t “change the rules” when they held the conch for 16 years?

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

This is not about Bush, moron.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM
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Again, you didn’t understand the question. That’s okay.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Get lost.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Shep is already trying to label this as disgruntled soldiers without knowing one damned fact.

I demand Shep step down.

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

I would demand the same, but that’s the kind of bullshit that’s become standard-issue MSM protocol. Fox News sucks as much as the rest, save for Beck and Red Eye.

MadisonConservative on November 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Lotta speculation here. Haven’t we all been through enough breaking news scenarios to know information is shaky in the beginning?

LevStrauss on November 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM

What`s Shep doing now?

ThePrez on November 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Pleasuring himself to the sounds of Obooboo’s books on tape.

Laura in Maryland on November 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Not when idiot Americans say outrageously idiotic things about their fellow Americans.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

I guess you think that because you’re Canadian, you’re excused when you say outrageously idiotic things about Americans.

You’re not.

Go away.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM

So how tempted is the Nanster to get everyone together and vote on healthcare right now?

LibTired on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

The military has their own police on base, known simply as: Military Police.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Yes. I know that that. the quote said the police not the military police.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

How many attacks on military bases and enlistment offices by islmamist nuts does there have to be before we can state the obvious?

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Have they reported with specifics on the shooters? I haven’t found anything yet.

conservative pilgrim on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

You didn’t understand the question. That’s okay.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Nice retort.

Oh wait, no retort. Moron.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

I don’t normally say these sorts of things, but you need to shut the fuck up. Right now.

fusionaddict on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I second that.

newton on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Disgruntled soldiers would go awol, not stick around and face the death penalty.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Have you written your letter to bush jr and sr about your outrage that they didn’t “change the rules” when they held the conch for 16 years?

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

What’s up with the “conch” thing?
Is that some sort of Hawaiian thing you got from Aloha Barack?

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Not when idiot Americans say outrageously idiotic things about their fellow Americans.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

So you calling another American a moron, isn’t idiotic?

capejasmine on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

12 years, Mr. Math Major

CDeb on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Yeah, he’s not very good a math. He had issues with the fact that a 9% approval rating for a Democrat controlled Congress was lower than a 18% approval rating for President Bush.

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jp on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Can you ignore the idiot and maybe he will be stupid enough to step on his junk and get BANNED. Please!

upinak on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

I never thought I’d ever say this, but time to switch from Fox and go to msnbc.com…

JVelez on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Why? What is there to fear from speculation?

RagTag on November 5, 2009 at 3:56 PM

You’ll sound like the dopes from the Daily Kos and the Huffington Post. That’s why.

mizflame98 on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Catherine Herridge is being told it’s “not terrorism.”

Oh f*ck.

fusionaddict on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Please let it go. Everyone is on edge.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

What’s up with the “conch” thing?
Is that some sort of Hawaiian thing you got from Aloha Barack?

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

It’s a Lord of the Flies reference.

CDeb on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Not when idiot Americans say outrageously idiotic things about their fellow Americans.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM

I’m sorry that reality offends you so severly that your only response is to start throwing insults.

MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Have you written your letter to bush jr and sr about your outrage that they didn’t “change the rules” when they held the conch for 16 years?

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM

1 As I have friends who are based there tread lightly.
2 Conch? What the hell the Pres is the one who holds the Conch? So would that make Pres Clinton Piggy?

LincolntheHun on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Again, you didn’t understand the question. That’s okay.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM
//

You really have sold your soul haven’t you? Pathetic to bring your Booooooosh bullshit to this thread.

People are dead. Show some respect to the people who protect your right to be an asshole.

uknowmorethanme on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Now being reported as not terrorist related.

RagTag on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Man, is this thing much more than I thought when I first heard the report on the radio……

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

PLEASE STOP ARGUING!
I feel like I did on the morning of 9/11 right now. I am praying for everyone on that base which is something we should all be doing.
On FOX: ” No Terrorism nexis”? 2-3 shooters on an Army base and it isnt terrorism?

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Disgruntled soldiers would go awol, not stick around and face the death penalty.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Has happened , but never a group.

the_nile on November 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM

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