Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.

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CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Dude, you are the CAIR Astroturfing troll on this thread.
That’s my story & I’m sticking with it until you can disprove it!

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

SoulGlo on November 5, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Liam’s a patriot. You’re obviously a troll.

Get the f*ck outta here.

TXUS on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

This guy was a MAJOR. That means the only people “bullying” him were Lt. Col. and above, because anyone below that would get a brutal smackdown. Who the hell believes a bunch of Army Colonels and Generals were “bullying” this guy? The media is so godda*n STUPID when it comes to the military. This is TOTAL BS!

Rational Thought on November 5, 2009 at 7:39 PM

FBI better be knocking on the cousins door soon

jp on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

What the F*CK is a committed muslim doing in our military??? Hello!

infidel4life on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Maquis on November 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Yours is better.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

You’re offered evidence of another Sudden Jihad Syndrome fragging American soldiers… and you call them insane?

Sheppard Smith called… he wants to interview you.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Yes because several stories about Muslims doing horrific things mean they all are ready to.

/

LGF trolls are the worst.

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

He didn’t “give out to his peeps.” He — clearly affected by the events — walked through a brief acknowledgment of the issues important to the group to which he planned to speak and acknowledged a decorated veteran.

George Bush, as I recall, put a goat first.

Your obsession with the minutiae of Obama’s reaction suggests that you’re more concerned with scoring political points than with the servicemen whose lives were lost.

Bleeds Blue on November 5, 2009 at 5:45 PM

President Bush had a roomful of children and their parents on 911. To equate the story of the “goat” with what Odoucebag said is the height of dullusionment. Bush was our steady Captain, Obambi is not…
Obambi should have immediately gone to talking about the shooting, then commenced with the rest of his speech.
Your slobbering love affair with your president is disgusting, as are most of your fellow minnions. You, and your president, are only worthy of cleaning latrines–at least you would be close to the sh*t you come up with…

lovingmyUSA on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 7:46 PM

+1000; :)

chemman on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Islam isn’t a race. It’s barely a religion.

Ronnie on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

You are confused. You never asked me for stats.

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Hilarious

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:41 PM

You asked JENFIDEL for stats champ. I was responding to the first part of your question. Do you even keep track of who you are even talking to?

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

I am astounded at the racism on this forum. This guy was a murderer and he may even have been a religious fanatic, but that is nocause to generalize about all Arab Americans or Muslims. Many of you need to grow up and stop it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

will you give me an example of one racist quote on this forum please ?

runner on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Shep is a despicable apologist.

the_nile on November 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Yeah but just look at those eyelashes. He’s gorgeous!

Sharke on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Maybe we should be referring to all of the other cases where Muslims were murderous religious fanatics to buttress our outrage?

blankminde on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

I am astounded at the racism on this forum.
nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Remind us again… what race is Islam?

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

I am astounded at the racism on this forum. This guy was a murderer and he may even have been a religious fanatic, but that is nocause to generalize about all Arab Americans or Muslims. Many of you need to grow up and stop it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Since when did islam become a race , it’s an ideology.

the_nile on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Dude, you are the CAIR Astroturfing troll on this thread.
That’s my story & I’m sticking with it until you can disprove it!

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Wow your debating skills are right out of Saul Alinsky’s playbook . Heck Fins, CRR, and the whole slew of lefty trolls are getting all hot and bothered seeing you play those cards. Stay proud.

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM

I am astounded at the racism on this forum. This guy was a murderer and he may even have been a religious fanatic, but that is nocause to generalize about all Arab Americans or Muslims. Many of you need to grow up and stop it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Recognizing jihad for what it is isn’t “racism.”
Being a Muslim isn’t a “race.”

We can generalize about the homicidal bent of Muslims: they are commanded by the Koran to kill non-Muslims.
Do some research and see if you don’t find that it’s true…

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM

I think the “cousin” is a fake. THe way he said “I got to go” as soon as he was asked about the family. Very fishy.

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM

puffing-ho shows 1199 comments on this terrorist rampage story and 14,000 for the DC tea party today. priorities of the left. shameful. sad. I gotta go for a walk…..

Ris4victory on November 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I am astounded at the racism on this forum.
nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Remind us again… what race is Islam?

Islam is not a race it is a satanic pagan sexist and racist death cult.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Dude, you are the CAIR Astroturfing troll on this thread.
That’s my story & I’m sticking with it until you can disprove it!

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Too right. He’s/she’s a creepy little Moby, trying to scare us with accusations of racism. Giving in to, or at least getting worked up about, LGF trolling was a serious mistake, Ed.

Fortunata on November 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Wow your debating skills are right out of Saul Alinsky’s playbook . Heck Fins, CRR, and the whole slew of lefty trolls are getting all hot and bothered seeing you play those cards. Stay proud.

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM

You are a Lefty troll and you are hot and bothered. (Good!)

Communism and Islam are on the same side.
Nice try at diversion there, buddy.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I am astounded at the racism on this forum. This guy was a murderer and he may even have been a religious fanatic, but that is nocause to generalize about all Arab Americans or Muslims. Many of you need to grow up and stop it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

nemecizer: You need to stop snorting KOOL-AID CRYSTALS!!

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I think the “cousin” is a fake. THe way he said “I got to go” as soon as he was asked about the family. Very fishy.

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM

After shep refuses to report anything for fear of being wrong. that would be justice!

Amadeus on November 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Anyone got any idea what all these have in common?
unseen on November 5, 2009 at 7:39 PM

They all eat white rice?

Nyssan on November 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

It’s the Jihad, stupid.

infidel4life on November 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM

$10 says they’re LGF plants stirring up content for another one of CJ’s holier-than-thou hate-posts about HA.

p0s3r on November 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM

You asked JENFIDEL for stats champ. I was responding to the first part of your question. Do you even keep track of who you are even talking to?

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Hmmm Einstein you post my question about stats and post the story of a Muslim killing our soldiers. But spin….I don’t care you and I both know you are insane.

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

This guy was a murderer and he may even have been a religious fanatic, but that is nocause to generalize about all Arab Americans or Muslims. Many of you need to grow up and stop it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

When I first heard about this atrocity, there are reasons I didn’t speculate on whether or not this was another Quaker gone wild with firearms. There is a reason why young Muslim males and not little old grandmothers are profiled for possible terrorist links…..

It’s because at the heart of virtually every terrorist attempt or foiled plot one finds Middle Eastern Muslims and Islamic converts. Islam is not a religion of peace. Islam is not a tolerant religion. I include in this the DC Sniper and the punk who threw a grenade in the mess hall overseas.

The people who do these things should be condemned by the American Muslims. CAIR is always quick to get out a statement but never seems to follow through by meaning it. But here’s the bitter truth nemecizer, Muslims bring on this kind of suspicion so long as these atrocities have a single common thread- your so-called religion of peace.

highhopes on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

At least serial killers don’t put on a uniform and take an oath (which they fake) to serve and protect our country and his fellow soldiers and then gun them down in cold blood when they’re unarmed…

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 7:23 PM

How many Muslims wear the uniform and how many have taken shots at their fellow soldiers? Seriously I would like to know the stats.

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:26 PM

You are confused. You never asked me for stats.

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Hilarious

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Dealing with CWforFreedom is like talking to a schizophrenic.

Which one of you am I talking to now champ?

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

I am astounded at the racism on this forum.
nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Remind us again… what race is Islam?

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Aren’t Arabs and Jews technically the same race?

Count to 10 on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

If there are trolls causing problems, send them to Hotair’s tip email and AP will take care of them.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Yes because several stories about Muslims doing horrific things mean they all are ready to.
CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

That’s right, it’s just a tiny minority of extremist– notwithstanding the evidence.

DiscoverTheNetwork

Don’t be a Sudden Jihad Syndrome apologist your whole life.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Communism and Islam are on the same side.
Nice try at diversion there, buddy.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Well to be fair there was the Soviet war against Afghanistan, so that’s not really true.

HeroesforGhosts on November 5, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Man if that guy really said some of the things that retired colonel say he said, he should have been reported. Seriously. Very disappointed in that Col.

XWing5 on November 5, 2009 at 7:37 PM

He did report him and he was investigated, but said he never heard anything more about it. They just turned him loose and he went to another base. This is insane!

silvernana on November 5, 2009 at 7:56 PM

I am astounded at the racism on this forum. This guy was a murderer and he may even have been a religious fanatic, but that is nocause to generalize about all Arab Americans or Muslims. Many of you need to grow up and stop it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

I don’t think most of the people posting on this thread are racists. I do think people are tired of hearing that Islam is the “religion of peace”. The proof is in the pudding. Does that mean that all Muslims are wannabe jihadists? No, but an alarming percentage of them do not have a problem with terrorist attacks and believe these attacks to be justified. We can’t just ignore these grim realities and that doesn’t make us racists.

alwaysright43 on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Now I have to sit through O’Reilly….

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t have sympathy for the the Muslim Terrorist. He has envy.

chicagojedi on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

p0s3r on November 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM

He’ll have to scrub his own comments first if he wants to pretend islam isn’t an issue.

Ronnie on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 7:46 PM
+1000; :)

chemman on November 5, 2009 at 7:50 PM

chemman:)

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

geez- the squabbles
the point is how this will evolve AS USUAL- it’s all our fault(Americans, capitalists, conservatives, Christians)
same old, same old-
no one is personally responsible for their personal actions!
only government completely in charge can prevent(punish) such things from happening ever again- there are probably in knots to find out the alleged bully names and charge them w/hate crimes
Everyone a victim
that’s a fact jack- I’m in a victim group- white living in Houston city limits- I’m a minority- I can’t get anyone to listen to me and gerrymander my voting districts to help out the white people- what’s up w/that? other minorities treated much better

classof73 on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

16 months 6 months, tic toc, tic toc.

MikeA on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

After shep refuses to report anything for fear of being wrong. that would be justice!

Amadeus on November 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Shep shutting up would be justice. He’s run out of material and, like the empty suit he is, has nothing to add. It’s down to showing “fun facts” about the size of Fort Hood that I’m sure was called up straight from the Fort’s website.

highhopes on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Repost…

VIDEO: Of Obama’s lengthy “shout out” before mentioning the massacre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAPIQ16eypI

RightWinged on November 5, 2009 at 7:12 PM

RightWinged on November 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Aren’t Arabs and Jews technically the same race?

Count to 10 on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Essentially – yes.

HondaV65 on November 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM

But spin….I don’t care you and I both know you are insane the only one of us coherent.

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

You really should up your meds, or do we need to worry about you walking on any US Army bases in the near future?

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM

It was just a matter of time before we were attacked from within again. The doctor was a convert to Islam. It will continue.

Nalea on November 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Sounds like a Kos-hack or DUmmy.

Lou Budvis on November 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Now I have to sit through O’Reilly….

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Take heart in knowing that I am going to have to suffer through BO right along with you. The pain is shared.

milwife88 on November 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Insanity confirmed

So you posted my question in order to not answer it …gotcha.
– You and I both know……

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Greg Gutfeld would be 100x better than Shep.

Lou Budvis on November 5, 2009 at 7:59 PM

From Sarah Palin’s Facebook:

On the Tragic Shooting Today at Ft. Hood
Today at 4:05pm
Todd and I would like to offer our condolences to the families of the victims of the tragic shooting today at Ft. Hood. Our thoughts and prayers will be with them.

- Sarah Palin

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Lockdown has been lifted.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Fire Shep Smith

jp on November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Aren’t Arabs and Jews technically the same race?

Count to 10 on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Actually, we’re all related. This whole mess goes back to two brothers getting pissed at each other about a bazillion years ago.

Rod on November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Aren’t Arabs and Jews technically the same race?

Count to 10 on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Depends on which one of them you ask.

splink on November 5, 2009 at 7:56 PM

I remember seeing some video to the effect that the Palestinians are decedents Jews who converted to Islam and never left the area.

Count to 10 on November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM

My sympathies. You are a nut. Where did I say I was sympathetic to terrorists? There are millions of muslims here and even if they got only 10000 to wage war from the inside we would really have trouble on our hands. So please quit with the BS.

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:09 PM

So I guess with you it would make 10,001? They would only raise hell for a week or two before there were no more muzzies left . Plus one dhimmie…

huckelberry on November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM

What the F*CK is a committed muslim doing in our military??? Hello!

infidel4life on November 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM

I think it has something to do with don’t ask don’t tell. No wait…

MikeA on November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM

The Major was no convert. He openly worshiped the child molester mohamed his whole life.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Shep is off the air… thank the mighty trunk of merciful Ganesha.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM

So, 11 dead and 30 wounded – that’s a lot of damage from only 2 handguns.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

oops
libs tying selves in knots figuring out how to get bully names
and I mean the majority skin colors in Houston are being treated better than my minority group

classof73 on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Who the hell is happy to be deployed. It sucks when they’re gone. He should of gotten out of the Army or never joined in the first place. The military is not a job where you get to dictate what you want. I know many people that didn’t want to deploy and they didn’t go shooting people.

Brat4life on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

My prayers are for the family and friends of those most involved, and the entire military community. This is a teachable moment.

BHO’s governance, diplomacy, and esp. his condolence speech tonight lack effectiveness.

A better Presidential response would be to change the ROE in Afghanistan to the ROE existing when you took office. Task the DHS to go after real treats. Treat the terrorists in Gitmo IAW settled international law. Even the Geneva Convention allows the execution of non-state terrorists.

Lack of a coherent defense is abrogation of President Barack Hussein Obama’s sworn responsibilities.

NaCly dog on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Who allowed this mand to become and officer?

Where was the background check?

patch on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

I don’t think most of the people posting on this thread are racists. I do think people are tired of hearing that Islam is the “religion of peace”. The proof is in the pudding. Does that mean that all Muslims are wannabe jihadists? No, but an alarming percentage of them do not have a problem with terrorist attacks and believe these attacks to be justified. We can’t just ignore these grim realities and that doesn’t make us racists.

alwaysright43

Well said.

beachgirlusa on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

He did report him and he was investigated, but said he never heard anything more about it. They just turned him loose and he went to another base. This is insane!

silvernana on November 5, 2009 at 7:56 PM

I want the reasons for poor performance and subsequent transfer investigated and people fired.

That being said, it is odd that the media got the poor fitness report so quickly. It was released anonymously. I almost think that somebody out there suspected that there was reason to keep a ready copy.

highhopes on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Not only O’Reilly but Al Sharpton too. Cheese and Rice, heading to garage for beer.

milwife88 on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Wow … what a bunch of bigots many of you are. I love the attempt at justifying your hatred by pedantic technical arguments over the definition of “racism”.

As a true conservative I am ashamed that you call yourselves that. If you had even an inkling of self awareness you’d be ashamed yourselves. You’re no different that Democratic Underground.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

If there are trolls causing problems, send them to Hotair’s tip email and AP will take care of them.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Enoxo:Internet thread Combat Air Patrol(CAP),with a sudden
thud,of a BanHammer Airstrike!(Snark).:)

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

highhopes on November 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Spot effin’ on, Bro!

TXUS on November 5, 2009 at 8:02 PM

I still want to know about these other two soldiers that were reportedly arrested. Are they conspirators with this Hassan guy?

HondaV65 on November 5, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Apparently, he was happy to take money from the Army – as long as he didn’t have to go to the middle east and help our soldiers over there. No one asked him to take a gun and shoot any of his muslim buddies there, just help out our men and women. Did the army pay for his schooling? How much were they paying him. No one drafted him! He joined on his own!
I’m furious that the “o” couldn’t talk about it for 2 or 3 minutes. He makes me sick. I can’t even stand to see him or hear him. I’m so glad that he won’t come on Fox because I don’t want to turn it off.

Bambi on November 5, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Incidents like these are why all wartime Presidents–Lincoln, Wilson and FDR–all set up some pretty strict conditions on the homefront to prevent sabotage and spying.
(I think even President Bush was way too soft in this respect.)
We really shouldn’t let practicing Muslims into our military.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Why don’t you just get rid of all the hogwash & report what is actually known.

kg598301 on November 5, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Well to be fair there was the Soviet war against Afghanistan, so that’s not really true.

[HeroesforGhosts on November 5, 2009 at 7:56 PM]

Actually that was a war to put in place and keep propped up a puppet client government and had little to do with the Soviet’s fighting Islam.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 8:02 PM

So you posted my question in order to not answer it …gotcha.
– You and I both know……

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 7:59 PM

You deflect like the best trolls of yore. Tell us, did you learn in Stuttgart or Toronto? You didn’t learn this idiocy at the US Universities, they are amateur.

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM

He should of gotten out of the Army or never joined in the first place.

Makes no sense. He could have easily resigned, and with his degree, found nice, easy work in the civilian world.

Another motive at work….

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM

You’re no different that Democratic Underground.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

nemecizer: Now why would you say that!!

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM

islam is not a race it is a mental disorder.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Who allowed this mand to become and officer?

Where was the background check?

patch on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

He was perfectly fine so long as he was merely a Doctor. It was only when he was expected to be a soldier that he lost it.

highhopes on November 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Does that mean that all Muslims are wannabe jihadists?
alwaysright43 on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

if they are true to the teachings of Islam, yes.
…is the phrase ‘Turning japanese’ related to too much white rice?..

Nyssan on November 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Now I have to sit through O’Reilly….

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Take heart in knowing that I am going to have to suffer through BO right along with you. The pain is shared.

milwife88 on November 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Go HERE and listen to Mark Levin instead.

IrishEi on November 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM

I love the attempt at justifying your hatred by pedantic technical arguments over the definition of “racism”.

As a true conservative I am ashamed that you call yourselves that. If you had even an inkling of self awareness you’d be ashamed yourselves. You’re no different that Democratic Underground.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

It’s not racism.
Islam isn’t a race, it’s a “religion” and a political system.

And America and the rest of the West and the world is at war with radical Islam.
Deny it at your own peril.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM

What the hell was this Hasan character doing in the U.S. Army?

The more I am hearing, the more it sounds like this guy was yet another Islamic radical that has managed to infiltrate our military or convert once he got in, and has now killed other American soldiers.

How many more time are these camel-washers in our military going to blow up or shoot our soldiers before the idiot politicians and desk-driving military brass in Washington finally figure out that allowing them in our military may just not be a good idea?

What will it take? Sobotaging a submarime? Blowing up a carrier and sending it to the bottom? What?

Why don’t we just go ahead and process those clowns at GITMO into the U.S. military.

Might as well.

Dave R. on November 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Isn’t that what you criticize the MSM for, reporting when they don’t know squat?

kg598301 on November 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM

I remember seeing some video to the effect that the Palestinians are decedents Jews who converted to Islam and never left the area.

Count to 10 on November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM

don’t go there. there is a clear distinction between arabs and jews, and this sound like some bs that muslims put out to claim their stake in the holy land.

runner on November 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Actually, we’re all related. This whole mess goes back to two brothers getting pissed at each other about a bazillion years ago.

Rod on November 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Okay, that goes to the definition of race (and did you just go biblical on me?). More to the point, the Jewish-Arabic split genetically only goes back a few thousand years, which generally would have them classified as the same “racial” stock, for nation-like definitions of race.
At the other end of the scale, of course, is the “the only race is the human race” definition of race, which is not particularly meaningful in this context.

Count to 10 on November 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM

I am astounded at the racism on this forum. This guy was a murderer and he may even have been a religious fanatic, but that is nocause to generalize about all Arab Americans or Muslims. Many of you need to grow up and stop it.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Not all Arabs are Muslim. Not all Muslims are terrorists.

Some of us over generalize because we get angry that there are some fanatic Muslims and Muslim groups that have made explicit threats against America and Americans and have carried out those threats and killed a lot of our fellow citizens.

Sorry.

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM

don’t go there. there is a clear distinction between arabs and jews, and this sound like some bs that muslims put out to claim their stake in the holy land.

runner on November 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM

It was actually pacifist Israelis that made the video, and they apparently had the genetic tests to prove it.

Count to 10 on November 5, 2009 at 8:06 PM

You all suck (except for CW..the only sane one among you). Go kill some Muslims if you hate them all this much. At least have the godd*mn balls to put your popguns where your fat donut holes are….are you all still too busy french kissing Glen ‘Father Coughlin” Beck.

assh*les.

Grow Fins on November 5, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Communism and Islam are on the same side.
Nice try at diversion there, buddy.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Tell that to the Uighurs.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 8:06 PM

olbermann is starting with the story about the march on washington today. he just wants to belittle regular americans instead of talking about this tragedy.

ousoonerfan15 on November 5, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Wow … what a bunch of bigots many of you are. I love the attempt at justifying your hatred by pedantic technical arguments over the definition of “racism”.

That a violent religious doctrine is not the same thing as a race is hardly a pedantic, technical argument over the definition of “racism”.

aengus on November 5, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Wow … what a bunch of bigots many of you are. I love the attempt at justifying your hatred by pedantic technical arguments over the definition of “racism”.

nemecizer on November 5, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Are you an idiot? Islam is NOT a race doofus. It’s a religion. There are plenty of Arabs that are Christian – or atheist, or even Jewish that no one seems to have problems with.

It’s in the religion.

And you need to grow up. If Christianity can be insulted – then so can Islam.

Double Standard much?

HondaV65 on November 5, 2009 at 8:06 PM

The Shep hate here is kinda strange. Is he a liberal? I don’t know as his reporting is ususally without any discernable bias. I know I wasn’t crazy about his coverage during Katrina(seemed to be blaming Bush, he should have blamed the mayor and Governor first)but generally he does a pretty good job. In his reporting, I find him to be pretty professional. If he is a liberal, I’m for it as it’s nice for Fox to have more balance rather than become a joke like MSNBC is. To relieve some of the Shep hate, just tune over to GE/Obama network(MSNBC) and listen to that drooling leg tingle Shep has to compete with. I’m sure Shep will start looking better in no time.

adamsmith on November 5, 2009 at 8:06 PM

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