Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.


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Does anyone need a reminder about who is behind peace and tolerance?

BL@KBIRD on November 5, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Thank you for your answers about the soldiers being armed.

Maybe that will all CHANGE now.

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Not in any large numbers. The entrances are gurded by rent-a-cops with sidearms only.

thomasaur on November 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM

They stated that MP and medics are armed, and seldom anyone else.

right2bright on November 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM

I’ve never been stationed at Fort Hood, but I’ve been there. The thing that struck me was how *cowded* it was for an Army base. Best place for terrorists looking to stack up a body count of Soldiers.

Muswell Hillbilly on November 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Shepard Smith should be removed from the air.
Our troops are already suffering too much.

lonestar1 on November 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Don’t mess with Texas.

RobCon on November 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM

*crowded*

Muswell Hillbilly on November 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM

GWB, please come back.

Key West Reader on November 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Hope the attackers are all stopped without further injury to and loss of innocent lives. Simply horrific.

Christien on November 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM

You reckon wrong…

right2bright on November 5, 2009 at 3:56 PM

wouldn’t be the first time, right?

max1 on November 5, 2009 at 3:59 PM

oops, i meant that for JP’s “muslim soldiers?”
but it actually works for r2r’s reposte as well…

max1 on November 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

FBI on the way, Pres. notified. Per OFX

Weight of Glory on November 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

If it turns out they are muslim I’m sure that will be a just a coincidence.

Joe Caps on November 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Why would one attack a military base? I would think if Islamic attack they’d hit the civilians being the cowards they are.
Bruce Hendrix on November 5, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Many military bases are easy to get on (if one is determined) and you can bet everyone deployed from Ft Hood is watching this and is worried about their families and friends.
And there is a reason no descriptions have been released to the public for the one being searched for.

LincolntheHun on November 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Soon there will be dancing in the streets of Arab cities.

pseudonominus on November 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

From the comments section of the Huffington Post. Great people over there.

i realize all the facts aren’t in, but what do we expect when we take our kids out of the mall, teach them to kill, send them to a foreign country where they observe atrocities, only to come home, sometimes mentally damaged?

not all men/women (mostly young adults) are equipped to deal with the stress of this ‘job’.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/fort-hood-shootings-7-dea_n_347366.html&cp

taney71 on November 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Shepard Smith should be removed from the air.
Our troops are already suffering too much.

lonestar1 on November 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM

+100

Pray for our troops, their families. And if this happened outside a PX? OMG.

Key West Reader on November 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

The soldiers are armed but probably don’t have live ammunition. The MPs and as someone up above said, the guards have live ammo. I’m sure they can get them live ammo pretty quickly, but until they know what the heck is going on, the less live ammo the better, I say.

God bless the families.

Sue on November 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

I self-impose the 24 hour rule. You won’t know anything authoritative until tomorrow.

Jaibones on November 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM

I know everyone here hates MSNBC, but they’re simulcasting the local Texas affiliate. Worth watching.

YYZ on November 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM

guys,

can we for one second, chill with the sarc?

JVelez on November 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM

CNN reporting Obama Admin is aware, and are in situation room regarding this attack.

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

November 5, 2009….the day the Obama administration reached its inflexion point.

pseudonominus on November 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

No, well soliders may have their weapons frequently, but live ammo is very carefully controlled. Unless you’re going to a range or some sort of live fire exercise, you don’t have ammo (unless you’re an MP, and then you’d have a 9mm pistol, anything else is locked up and requires a series of steps to get at it).

reaganaut on November 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM

which is a effect of the gun control movement in this country in 70′s I believe. To aviod these terrorist attacks in the future the army needs to arm their soldiers and allow them to be armed on base. An army base should be a forticication that the terrorist should aviod like the plauge. Liberal idiot gun controlers are the reason these things happen…

yeah I went there

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Anyone wanna bet it’s some of them Southern Baptists?

MikeA on November 5, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Nah, it’s the Mormons.

lonestar1 on November 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Scratch the ‘kill’em comments.

I want these fu<kers alive.

There are questions to be asked, and answered.

CPT. Charles on November 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Why? What is there to fear from speculation?

RagTag on November 5, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Nothing to fear, but it does display a bit of ridiculousness at a time when it’s unwarranted.

Better to wait and find out what it really was than to go full nutter spekyoolating that it was mooslims, j00s, baptists, accountants, pizza delivery guys in berets, genetically mutated iguana, pretty people from flying saucers, etc.

Yeah, it could very well be one of those things, but really – you’re not better than Shep speculating that the military is shooting its own. *shrug*

Midas on November 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM

At least seven people are dead and 12 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood in Texas, the base’s public affairs office told NBC News on Thursday.
… One gunman was reportedly in custody and another was on the loose, NBC News said. A third shooter may be involved, according to NBC News affiliate KCEN, which said the person had opened fire on the SWAT team at the base.

KCEN reported that a policeman was among those shot.

Greg Schannep, an aide to U.S. Rep. John Carter, told the Austin American-Statesman that he was on the Army post to attend a graduation service. He said that as he neared the entrance of a building where the service was being held, a soldier with blood on his uniform ran past him and said a man was shooting.

Schannep told the newspaper that the shootings appeared to have occurred in a complex near a theater where the service was scheduled. He was with the injured soldier, who he said appeared to have been struck in the shoulder but did not have life-threatening injuries.

According to unconfirmed reports, one of the shooters was being surrounded by police in the 42006 building on Fort Hood. That source told KCEN the shooter has a high-powered rifle.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801

Tantor on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Ft. Hood is the largest Army post in the U.S., is it not?

Weight of Glory on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Every story has “stress” angles going already. Way to jump the gun guys.

Rocks on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Why? What is there to fear from speculation?

RagTag on November 5, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Hurt feelings. (I agree with you.)

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

My friend just e-mailed that her son is on that base.

Prayers, prayers, prayers!

BlueStateBilly on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Sad to hear but the conspiracy theorist in me smells a Rat distraction from the Health Care debate.

glennbo on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

If they’re found to be terrorists my suggestion would be to hang them naked by their feet at the front gates with a swine blood drip stuck up their azzes until their rotting corpses smell to bad to maintain. Then send ‘em home so the arabs can gag on them. That would end this bullchit immediately. Any humane form of punishment will just bring admiration from their kind. You can either get tough on this crap or face the fact that it will start up in schools, churches, athletic events and every other form of American gathering. This is just the beginning. End it now.

Griz on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

guys,

can we for one second, chill with the sarc?

JVelez on November 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM

agreed.

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Any definitive word on who the gunmen are?

I don’t want to jump to any conclusions. Either way, there was some discussion back during the Ft. Dix stuff about just how easy it would be to target a large number of service members. This, to me, always seemed like a more dangerous terrorist threat than blowing something up.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Actually, the base is probably a softer target than any local mall or diner. The military compound is worked as a secure area, but there is not a lot of live ammo walking around. Outside there the bad guys would be in By-God-Texas, and wouldn’t last 5 minutes before some good ol boys put a stop to this nonsense.

MikeA on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Obama better and pray that this is not a terrorist attack.

thmcbb on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Horrible.

changer1701 on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Ft. Hood is the largest Army post in the U.S., is it not?

The world.

YYZ on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

I self-impose the 24 hour rule. You won’t know anything authoritative until tomorrow.

Jaibones on November 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM

screw that. I invoke the common sense rule. 3 shooters attack an ARMY BASE and kill numerous people on an ARMY BASE. IF anyone thinks that the ARMY policy of no allowing their soldiers to be armed on an ARMY BASE is a good idea raise their hands. the liberal bed wetters are more afriad of our troops then the enemy.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

guys,

can we for one second, chill with the sarc?

JVelez on November 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM

I agree. And chill the speculation as well.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

In 2003 we were tabbed to play at a coffeehouse on the base at Ft. Bragg. We came from two different directions and ended up at two different entrances. The other guys had a full car and body search… I was stopped by a guy with an assault rifle in body armor… He gave me the third degree (names, addresses, etc.) and as he started to go to the back of my car to search it (you could see my gear through the windows) he noticed an Israel bumper sticker on my car… he waved me through.

mankai on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Ft. Hood is the largest Army post in the U.S., is it not?

Weight of Glory on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Yes.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Yesterday, I saw a picture of GWB with the caption, “miss me yet”? Yes, we sure do.
A week before Veterans Day. Disgusting.

lonestar1 on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Ft. Hood is the largest Army post in the U.S., is it not?

Believe so, yes…..

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Our men and women need to BE ARMED.

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Islamic terrorists maybe?..seriously…who the hell else? Maybe not, but why would I not be surprised? I’m pissed.

I wonder what we did to make them do it?

Itchee Dryback on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Weight of Glory on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Yes, it is pretty freakin huge.

JVelez on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Any definitive word on who the gunmen are?

I don’t want to jump to any conclusions. Either way, there was some discussion back during the Ft. Dix stuff about just how easy it would be to target a large number of service members. This, to me, always seemed like a more dangerous terrorist threat than blowing something up.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

no on the gunmen.

FBI is flying in…

upinak on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Sad to hear but the conspiracy theorist in me smells a Rat distraction from the Health Care debate.

glennbo on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Dude.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Sue on November 5, 2009 at 4:01 PM

MP’s are armed (if the are on patrol) but they are just like cops you have to wait for them to respond.
Regular Joes do not walk around with weapons, their weapons are kept very securly in an arms room (think bank vault) in non-combat zones.

LincolntheHun on November 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Actually, the base is probably a softer target than any local mall or diner. The military compound is worked as a secure area, but there is not a lot of live ammo walking around. Outside there the bad guys would be in By-God-Texas, and wouldn’t last 5 minutes before some good ol boys put a stop to this nonsense.

MikeA on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

WHO would have thought that an ARMY BASE would be a gun free zone.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Civilians in Texas can legally arm themselves for protection, unlike soldiers on post. Of course, many civilian workplaces require people to disarm themselves too.

I know I shouldn’t be talking politics now. It’s really too early to know anything yet.

juliesa on November 5, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Columbine or Cole?

RobCon on November 5, 2009 at 4:07 PM

I’ll take “personal struggle” for $1000, Alex.

LibTired on November 5, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Oh my God

Ugly on November 5, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Did the balloon boy episode teach us NOTHING about speculation?

BlueStateBilly on November 5, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Islamists

pabarge on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Griz on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

This is in Texas. I’d say the best thing to do with the bastards would be to take ‘em over to the local VFW of Friday night and turn them loose, making sure there were no media or politicians around.

MikeA on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

If this is a Fort Dix type of plot materializing, Obama has had a true Waterloo of a week politically.

jp on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Obama better and pray that this is not a terrorist attack.

thmcbb on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

“Terrorist” is no longer used in this administration. Did you not get that memo?

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

This could easily be some soldiers who lost it.
Many at Fort Hood have seen multiple duty in theater.

Worth waiting before speculating about the perps.

rickyricardo on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

from http://www.centraltexasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=11451571

Police surrounded the 42006 building, said to be used for traumatic brain injuries, on Fort Hood and fired shots at a male suspect in an Army uniform with a Major rank. The suspect was injured, but has now run in to another building.

starfleet_dude on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Ft. Hood is the largest Army post in the U.S., is it not?

It’s the largest US military facility in the world.

juliesa on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Did the balloon boy episode teach us NOTHING about speculation?

BlueStateBilly on November 5, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Apples and oranges.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

I don’t want to jump to any conclusions. Either way, there was some discussion back during the Ft. Dix stuff about just how easy it would be to target a large number of service members. This, to me, always seemed like a more dangerous terrorist threat than blowing something up.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

And yet no steps where taken even with the warning of the Ft DIX six by the army to I don’t know ARM their SOLDIERS> Give them conceal carry on BASE? And this is the same government that wants to take over healthcare? We are sooo screwed.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Strange how this comes right on the heels of the report of those insane anti-nuke seniors cutting a couple of fences at the Bangor Naval base. This is why they should throw the book at those a$$wipes and lock them up for the rest of their lives.

progressoverpeace on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

It’s not a base, it’s a post.

Yes, there is a difference.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

The Army says seven people were killed and 20 wounded in a pair of shootings at the Fort Hood Army base in Killeen, according to the Associated Press.

An Army spokesman at the Pentagon says the shootings began about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at a personnel and medical processing center at Fort Hood, the AP said.

The spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Nathan Banks, says two shooters were apparently involved. There is no word yet on who they were, nor on identities of the dead, according to the AP.

Banks says the second incident took place at a theater on the sprawling base, the AP said.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2009/11/05/seven_dead_12_injured_in_fort.html

Tantor on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

This could easily be some soldiers who lost it.
Many at Fort Hood have seen multiple duty in theater.

Worth waiting before speculating about the perps.

rickyricardo on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Then why didn’t you?

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Most bases have a company with civilians watching the gates. Chenega, Nana and Doyon are the main companies for this.

If they suspect something, they wave them over to the MP’s/SP’s to look through the vehicle.

Information on who watches the gates if you didn’t know.

upinak on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

There are 50,000 ppl on that base including 9 schools(per Kay Bailey Hutchinson on FOX. This could be anyone..why would the FBI be involved if the shooters are not civilian?? Anyone know?

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

I agree. And chill the speculation as well.

gh on November 5, 2009 at 4:05 PM

I would agree if there was 1 shooter. There is an ideology involved.

Itchee Dryback on November 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM

WHO would have thought that an ARMY BASE would be a gun free zone.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Not gun free but the weapons are kept locked up to prevent loss or theft and so are tough to get out rapidly.
.
When people thought up the rules they never thought we might need to respond in 30 seconds to an attack on a military base.

LincolntheHun on November 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM

nor on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

thanks

gh on November 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM

If the captured terrorist won’t talk, are EITs allowed, Dems?

Christien on November 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM

This could easily be some soldiers who lost it.

rickyricardo on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Working as a unit? Highly, highly doubtful.

progressoverpeace on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Police surrounded the 42006 building, said to be used for traumatic brain injuries, on Fort Hood and fired shots at a male suspect in an Army uniform with a Major rank. The suspect was injured, but has now run in to another building.
starfleet_dude on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

what the hell are the police doing on an ARMY BASE should not the ARMY I don’t know patrol and defend THEIR BASE. I am living in an insane world where common sense no longer survives.

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Key West Reader wrote:

You’re from Chooston area?

No, but I have family and friends there.

noblejones on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

2 suspects caught. Only 2

JVelez on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC.

Don’t want to speculate so soon that this has a similar style terrorist motivation, but I seem to remember the Left/MSM downplaying that Fort Dix plot — that it was just a couple bad actors who would never have accomplished their goals.

Maybe today the Left will comprehend the very real dangers still lurking out there? But I won’t hold my breath.

Prayers for those who have had their lives stolen today, and for the families they leave behind.

Prayers for those injured, or have otherwise had their lives irrevocably altered today.

red winger on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

There are 50,000 ppl on that base including 9 schools(per Kay Bailey Hutchinson on FOX. This could be anyone..why would the FBI be involved if the shooters are not civilian?? Anyone know?

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Shooting took place on government property.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Ft. Hood is the largest Army post in the U.S., is it not?

Weight of Glory on November 5, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Yes, upwards of 100,000 people, however, only about 35,000 now.

right2bright on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

There are 50,000 ppl on that base including 9 schools(per Kay Bailey Hutchinson on FOX. This could be anyone..why would the FBI be involved if the shooters are not civilian?? Anyone know?

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Why would the FBI NOT be involved?

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

M-16 used…

right2bright on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

If the captured terrorist won’t talk, are EITs allowed, Dems?

Christien on November 5, 2009 at 4:10 PMNO that would be common sense….see above….common sense has been outlawed by the liberals

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

THey caught the other guy. Its only 2 shooters.

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 4:11 PM

If these savages are captured alive, they will be prioritized for the H1N1 vaccine.

lonestar1 on November 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM

A General on Fox said anyone can get on Ft. Hood, you just need a driver’s license. And once on the post, you can go anywhere.

Security would also be even less restrict due to graduation.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM

There are 50,000 ppl on that base including 9 schools(per Kay Bailey Hutchinson on FOX. This could be anyone..why would the FBI be involved if the shooters are not civilian?? Anyone know?

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

You are right I think. Outside threat or they escaped off post.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM

The General on Fox just said it might be a terrorist attack.

andy85719 on November 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM

reaganaut on November 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Not sure what it’s like now, but in my day, there an secured ammo card in the Supply Room with a token amount of ammo in it.

If it was warranted, select HQ people could be armed up. But by and large only MP’s and select personnel go about consistently armed. And yeah, ammo is very tightly controlled.

Everybody else might as well be naked.

CPT. Charles on November 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM

unseen on November 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Yeah, we get it. You think our guys should be armed on base. Give it a f*cking rest for a while, please.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM

THey caught the other guy. Its only 2 shooters..

portlandon on November 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM

CNN already trying and hoping it is from someone within the base. I believe these are outside attackers who came in the processing building and pulled out there weapon and started firing. Whoever did this was plot and planned; When a soldier gets processed in and out they do not carry a weapon, nor do they carry weapons in the PX. This is I believe an act of terror.

jaboba on November 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I would be stunned if members of the “religion of peace” were not involved in this atrocity.

Hera on November 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM

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