Breaking: Massacre at Fort Hood; Update: Feds tracked Hasan’s posts online for six months? Update: Surveillance video added

posted at 3:44 pm on November 5, 2009 by Allahpundit

No word yet on motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene.

Stand by for updates.

Update: New details from CNN: One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. The shooting happened at the “sports dome,” a.k.a. the soldier readiness station.

Update: Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater.

Update: M-16s involved:

At least seven people have been killed and at least 12 more wounded in a mass shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, that apparently began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin at a base sports complex, Pentagon officials said.

Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. It was not immediately clear who the ceremony was honoring.

Update: Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues.

Update: Hearing reports on Twitter that there have been shootings in the parking lot of some store in Killeen, the town adjacent in Fort Hood. Grain of salt, though: I haven’t seen anything like that on the wires.

Update: One of the shooters is alive and in custody. We should have a motive soon.

Update: MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now.

Update: CNN now says the death toll is nine.

Update: MSNBC’s story has been updated to say that four SWAT members were wounded in the shootout with the gunmen.

Update: Am hearing via Twitter that Fort Hood’s public affairs office says the earlier reports of a third shooter were wrong and were based on a second eyewitness report of the second shooter. Which means everyone’s in custody now.

Update: Heavy suspicions of a fragging grow heavier still. From Chuck Todd’s Twitter account: “More from NBC’s Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.”

Update: Good lord — there’s a report from BNO News on Twitter that new shooting is being heard on the base. Nothing on the wires yet. Big grain of salt.

Update: Press conference being held now. 12 dead, 31 wounded. No idea of motive yet but it sounds like both shooters are military. Or rather, were: One of the shooters is dead.

Update: Okay, wait, I misunderstood: According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people?

Update: From the local Fox affiliate, how it all went down. Evidently McClatchy’s report of M-16s was wrong:

According to officials, a soldier carrying two handguns opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the Soldier Readiness Center at the post in Killeen, Texas.

“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Killeen City Manager Connie Green said.

Officials said the gunman was shot and killed after quick response from security officers.

At least two other soldiers were taken into custody.

Update: Hmmmm: “A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.”

Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack “a terrible tragedy, stunning.” He said the community was “absolutely devastated.”

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

Update: In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters.

Update: CBS reports that Hasan was a licensed psychiatrist in Maryland, of all things. Meanwhile, Kay Bailey Hutchison apparently has info that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq. Which, without further specifics as to why, doesn’t tell us much given the possible motives in play.

Update: This story deserves its own post but an update here will have to do: Remember that census worker who was found hanged, allegedly with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest, which was of course instantly the fault of bloodthirsty wingnuts everywhere? The AP reports today that investigators increasingly doubt he was murdered and are looking now at suicide. Just something to bear in mind when the tut-tutting over making assumptions about Hasan begins tomorrow.

Update: Per the last update, here’s another reminder of why it’s always a bad idea to speculate too much: Contra Brian Ross, the AP says it’s unclear what Hasan’s religion was or whether he was a convert.

Update: And yet another reminder: Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? If so, how’d those four SWAT members end up wounded? Surely he didn’t surprise them all after they arrived on the scene.

Update: Something else worth flagging re: the tut-tutting about motives and speculation: The media had no problem today, even in its earliest reports on the shooting, noting how many soldiers have suffered from combat stress. In fact, apparently, it was one of the ways Charlie Gibson framed his report on tonight’s ABC News.

Update: If Hasan was a lone gunman, how could the general at his presser earlier say there were eyewitness accounts of more than one gunman? And if neither of the two suspects in custody are that other gunman, then where is he?

Update: Of the 11 killed (beside Hasan), 10 were soldiers and one was a cop.

Update: For what it’s worth, an eyewitness report of Arabic being shouted during the attack:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”

Update: No mention of shouting in this eyewitness report, though:

George Stratton’s son George Stratton III was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.

“He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting,” Stratton told FoxNews.com.

He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.

“He peaked up over the desk and that’s when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot,” Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital.

Update: Hasan’s performance evaluation while at Walter Reed was, perhaps not surprisingly, a poor one.

Update: Lots of buzz on Twitter about Shep Smith’s interview with a colleague of Hasan’s who claims he was known to say things about standing up to the American aggressors in the Middle East. I can’t find a clip or print account, though. If you see one, please e-mail it to our tips account; I don’t have time to follow the comments below.

Update: Local news is reporting that one of the wounded has died. 12 now besides Hasan.

Update: Apparently, one of Hasan’s cousins just told Shep that he’s always been Muslim, not a recent convert.

Update: So much for the “combat stress” theory: ABC News reports that his upcoming deployment to Iraq would have been Hasan’s first.

Update: Here’s the Shep interview with Ret. Col. Terry Lee alleging that Hasan thought Muslims should stand up and fight the “aggressor” and that he was “happy” about the shooting in Little Rock. Apparently Hasan was also increasingly agitated by the fact that Obama hasn’t pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Update: The two suspects detained earlier were released, but according to Rep. John Carter, another one was just hauled in.

Update: Here’s another Shep interview that people are buzzing about, this one with Hasan’s cousin. The cousin says Hasan decided after 9/11 that he didn’t want to deploy overseas, that he heard horrific stories from returning soldiers, and that he was harassed by other troops.

Update: The circumstantial evidence mounts. This certainly jibes with what Terry Lee told Shep:

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes? And why are the feds tipping the AP about this if they haven’t even confirmed that he was the author yet?

Update: Another good question from Andy Levy: “If Hassan got poor performance evaluations, why was he promoted to Major in May?” Also, why didn’t they grant him a discharge if what his cousin said is true about him not wanting to deploy since 9/11? Why did they keep this guy around? Fox could track down Terry Lee in a few hours to have him talk about Hasan urging Muslims to stand up to America, but the Army couldn’t do it in a few years?

Update: Here’s what Hasan supposedly wrote about suicide bombers:

“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”

Update: So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition. And, according to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.

Update: This appears to be Hasan’s original Internet posting about suicide bombers in full. Quote:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

Emphasis added.

Update: A military reader e-mails to answer Andy Levy’s question of why even a poor officer would be promoted:

I served in the Air Force as a psychologist. I believe the way the rank works within in the medical corp is similar in the Army. If you were a medical officer, you had to try very hard to not make rank. They are not even required to go through much of the Military Education in order to make rank (a luxury other officers did not have). I had a friend who was a psychiatrist who went through the same medical program this Army Major went through (based on the years I’ve heard reported, they may have overlapped one another to some extent). When you go through this program, you owe 10-13 years for medical school and residency (maybe more, depending on any additional training you go through). The military will get there commitment back. My friend did his medical school, residency, and a fellowship in child psychiatry and he owed something like 17 years. He made LtCol without any effort. In fact, he often laughed about it, like he got it for his MD and breathing. Another Air Force psychiatrist friend of mine hates being in the USAF and is not quiet about it (though certainly not in the same way as this Army Major): has had many disciplinary problems, including having suspended credentials in our hospital; and in the midst of this, made Major. Go figure.

Update: The media Narrative on this story is congealing as we speak. Assume you’re an eager beaver reporter who’s as anti-war as the next fellow in the newsroom. How do you frame a story about a murderous lunatic who’s never been deployed overseas to serve your agenda? Why, this way of course: “Fort Hood has felt strain of repeated deployments”.

Update: WaPo reports that Hasan is “very devout”:

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

Update: More devotion: “A former neighbor of Hasan’s in Silver Spring, Md. told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word ‘Allah’ on the door.”

Update: So here’s where we are right now, near 11 p.m. ET. This guy raged about Muslims standing up to aggressors, praised suicide bombers, and the lead theory in the media is … PTSD? For a guy who’s … never been deployed? A friend just e-mailed me with a good question: Even if he was suffering from some type of trauma from listening to vets’ war stories, shouldn’t a shrink trained in dealing with trauma been able to diagnose himself and seek treatment?

Update: And now a little more about just how devout he was, this time from NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

I’m hearing on Twitter that Fox interviewed one of his neighbors within the last half-hour or so and that the neighbor claims Hasan was handing out Korans just this morning. Does anyone have video? Or is this a bad lead? Smells fishy to me but multiple people have mentioned it.

Update: Ryan Lewis offers this transcript: “Brenda Price of KUSJ reported to Greta at 10:33: ‘also, the latest I am hearing, this morning, apparently according to his neighbors, he was walking around kind of giving out his possessions, giving away his furniture, handing out the Koran…’” Sounds like her information is secondhand. Grain of salt.

Update: Credit to WaPo for looking at Hasan’s religious background despite the flak they’ll take for it. New details:

He steered clear of female colleagues, co-workers said, and despite devout religious practices, listed himself in Army records as having no religious preference…

“He came to mosque one or two times to see if there were any suitable girls to marry,” Khan said. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions. He wanted a girl who was very religious, prays five times a day.”…

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Update: Ah, here’s a source for the Koran story told on Greta: “News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.”

Update: Evidently CNN is airing surveillance footage from a convenience store camera taken this just morning showing Hasan in a traditional Muslim cap and robe. Supposedly, according to an employee, he talked about his deployment and said he didn’t want to kill other Muslims. I’ll update with the clip once they post it.

Update: Here’s the clip. I think this is it for tonight.

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Can’t listen to Matthews. I tried. And – the coverage on M(iserable)SNBC has been better up to this point. But Chris Matthews’ voice makes my head hurt.

uncivilized on November 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Shep Smith is a hypocrite. He plays PC now with the man’s name because “you can’t take it back,” but he had not problem during Katrina.

conservative pilgrim on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

According to Brian Ross at ABC, Hasan was a convert to Islam.

I for one am shocked, SHOCKED, that a member of the “Religion of Peace” would be behind this. There has to be some other explanation… We need to figure out how gun crazy right-wing Texas whities and Bush are responsible for this.

BTW, as sarcastically shocked as I am that this guy was a Muslim… I’ll be equally sarcastically shocked at the lack of outrage we’ll see from other American Muslims over this.

RightWinged on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Jerricho68 wrote:

Why is it taking Obama so long to get the launch codes?

Because they are having to program the coordinates for the ranch at Crawford into the system. It’s Bush’s fault, isn’t it?

noblejones on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Ban everybody calling for banning!

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Hilarious.

Scott P on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Ban everybody calling for banning!

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM

You’re so banned… ;)

This “Terp Mole” is from LGF I do believe…

JetBoy on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Sheep Smith can not bring himself to name his muslim brother pbuh.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Fox News Headlines confirms NAME. Shep doesn’t want to say it because he’s a wanker. His own PEOPLE are saying the name.

Thunderstorm129 on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

bighead4 on November 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Give it a break, please.

progressoverpeace on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

The local news is requesting people to donate blood. OMG! I want whoever is leftover to be charged with a HATE CRIME. If they can do it against one whackjob lone perpetrator like Timothy McVeigh then they can do it for a coordinated attack like this! Three gunmen is not some lone whacko mental PTSD person. This is hateful and if they’re gonna go this direction we ought to shove it down their own throats.

Sultry Beauty on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Ft Hood Public Info Officer on with Shep now..

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

I’m p***ed off and I’m right, so blow me.

splink on November 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Hmm

I’m angry too. Please, let’s wait for the rest of the information.

ElectricPhase on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Uh, dude? 12 dead, 31 wounded? If he’s the only one who fired of course he reloaded.

manofaiki on November 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Unless you are in the movies. Someone said something about on-going gunfire???

sonofdy on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Look how he keeps referencing MM’s book.
fiatboomer on November 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM

…because she’s right. You dispute the facts? Fine… present your evidence. But spare me your hissyfit, appeasenik.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

She showed up here and made a real nasty attack on Ed for something as inane as the Weinermobile. No $h*te.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM

was it the weinermobile thread? I just remember her going nuts.

upinak on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

4 soldiers in OR, 5 in ER right now

Erich66 on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Bret Baier coming on so maybe some info will losen at Fox

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Guys, if there is a problem with a troll, send the post link (by clicking on the time stamp) to tips@hotair.com and Ed and AP will take care of it.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Facts we know …

1. Islamic Officer primary shooter.
2. At least two co-conspirators (rules out “mad man” M.O.)
3. Primary shooter upset with being deployed to Iraq.

Upset about being deployed to Iraq, so he decides to wage war on an American army base.

fourdeucer on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Fox News has stated they will not name the name until the Pentagon officially confirms it, which they have not.

Daemonocracy on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Thank god. Bret’s finally replaced that POS.

Thunderstorm129 on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

3 guys, at least one of whom just happens to be a “recent convert to Islam,” and acting in concert is a jihad.
Wake up and smell the coffee–it’s Arabic(a)!

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM

There was a report a few pages back that the other two may have just been trying to get away from the scene, and it’s possible they’re not involved.

Let’s just wait and find out some more details.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

What is wrong with Debbie Schlussel?

pseudonominus on November 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM

She goes absolutely purple with hate when she blogs about Sarah Palin.

As long as she deals with the Muslim threat to us, she’s fine.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Timothy McVeigh wasn’t a terrorist?

mizflame98 on November 5, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Sure, but in McVeigh’s mind he was responding to specific precipitating incidents — his murders weren’t just a general strike, but were motivated by Waco, in particular. This distinguishes him from, say, Eric Rudolph or the guy who shot the abortionist recently. Not that it makes much of a difference from our perspective on this event, but it does have some import for future ones. If there are sleeper cells waiting for the word to do stuff like this, that’s one thing. If it’s a fanatical convert and his buddies enraged over a particular event, that’s another.

Well-Armed Lamb on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Thank God. Bret Baier now… Shep is just nauseating.

davek70 on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Shep Smith is a hypocrite. He plays PC now with the man’s name because “you can’t take it back,” but he had not problem during Katrina.

conservative pilgrim on November 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM

with all due respect you’re wrong – you don’t report the name until the Army releases that name.

Just because other idiot outlets say it – does not make it right.

Wait for the Army.

jake-the-goose on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Fox News has stated they will not name the name until the Pentagon officially confirms it, which they have not.

Daemonocracy on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

It’s been on the front page of fox.com for a while now.

Thunderstorm129 on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Post still on lockdown

1 shooter dead–confirmed US Army Officer

2 other soldiers in custody labelled “suspects”

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Shep Smith is a hypocrite. He plays PC now with the man’s name because “you can’t take it back,” but he had not problem during Katrina.

conservative pilgrim

It’s not his decision. He is doing what he is told by Fox News management.

FreeThinkerNYC on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Too late, Shep. The name is on headline at FoxNews.com

newton on November 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Shepard Smith just explained why he hasn’t named the shooter. His assignment manager also said the same thing. It has nothing to do with protecting Muslims.

FreeThinkerNYC on November 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM

ABC seems to think the pentagon has confirmed the name! Are they purposely withholding information to Fox? At whose command?

petunia on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Good luck getting someone banned for quoting Malkin. LOL

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

She showed up here and made a real nasty attack on Ed for something as inane as the Weinermobile. No $h*te.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM

That was a major thread bomb. I remember that. I occasionally read her stuff and she continually throws digs at Ed, HA, and MM. Out of nowhere. She has a chip on her shoulder and doesn’t seem to work well with others.

conservative pilgrim on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Let’s just wait and find out some more details.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Sorry, bub, but Muslim name, recent convert to Islam: those are all the details I need to hear.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

…because she’s right. You dispute the facts? Fine… present your evidence. But spare me your hissyfit, appeasenik.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

You come in here talking about setting up camps? F*** off.

fiatboomer on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Allah. Ban. Now.

fiatboomer
Seconded. I am very insulted by that hateful crap.

noblejones on November 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM

I don’t like that post but don’t think it’s worthy of deletion or the poster should be banned.

Why are you all offended by Terp Mole’s post? I don’t get it??

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Promoting such a book in this thread seems poor taste to me.

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Do it somewhere else.

Cindy Munford on November 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Agreed.

Loxodonta on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Terp Mole on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

No one’s taking the back, and you’re a piece of sh!t for trying to troll on this thread.

F*ck off.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0hiw8iXdMM

The Obama “Shout Out” vid for those who missed the earlier link.

RedNewEnglander on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

How many tours has your son had in IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN?

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Bleeds couldn’t go. Not old enough and school and all, you know.

Johan Klaus on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Anybody have the transcript of Barry’s remarks?

Christien on November 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Really need to see his demeanor as he started the speech… and his tone of voice… no sadness… no regret… you could tell this had no effect on him personaly.

Then he suddenly transitioned to “regret”…

The non verbals are more telling than the verbals…

Romeo13 on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

ABC Radio is reporting the name

JamesLee on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Why are you all offended by Terp Mole’s post? I don’t get it??

bridgetown on November 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Look how he keeps referencing MM’s book. It’s pretty damn obvious he came over from (LGF, DKos) to take the opportunity to damage her.

fiatboomer on November 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM

I confess, I’m not understanding this either.

I guess I’m being duped – but this looks like a vindication for what MM was saying, not damaging to her. ?

Midas on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

They used to keep the fire arms locked up tight on post. A gun free zone.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

I have yet to see or hear an Army official say the suspects name.

jake-the-goose on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

When stuff like this happens the liberals show their true colors. Disgusting. Obama…disgusting. Shep Smith….disgusting. Hot Air libs….disgusting.

The families of these brave men and women deserve better than a cover-up of what has happened to their loved ones.

jay12 on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

She goes absolutely purple with hate when she blogs about Sarah Palin.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

That and she has a thing for Weinermobiles.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Sleeper cell.

labrat on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Yes I see it but unfortunately you completely missed my point.

“Christians” murdering in the name of Christ do not belong to Him and violate every one of His teachings.

Muslims murdering in the name of Allah are being consistent with Mohammed’s teachings and with the Hadith.

Small difference, but perhaps you can see it.

splink on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Pilgrim on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

ABC seems to think the pentagon has confirmed the name! Are they purposely withholding information to Fox? At whose command?

petunia on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Whew. Bret Baier has taken over. We’ll see if he’s any better. I may have to turn to CNN for once.

conservative pilgrim on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Just named him….

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

please don’t ever post deb schlussel ever again.

upinak on November 5, 2009 at 5:40 PM

No, you can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need

- Rolling Stones

MB4 on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Oops, they just reported the name on air.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

It’s been on the front page of fox.com for a while now.

Thunderstorm129 on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Well I’m repeating what they said.

And now they just named the name…Hassan

Daemonocracy on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

An armed, well planned attack on a US military base that leaves 12 dead and over 30 wounded is a terrorist act

runner on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Within 3 min, the name was reported on Special Report

SoxNation on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Reports that more than 1 shoooter..the “suspects” were tracked..

Fox naming shooter “Major Mailk Hasan”

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just got on,and going over some comments,
its clear the trolls are trying to provoke
a responce to paint YOU and HOT AIR as
RIGHTWING WACKOS,including me as well!!!!!!

MOST OF YOU TROLLS KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BE alert anmd vigil,and this is NO SNARK,carry -on!!!

ALAHPUNDIT,I suggest a CAP with a Ban Hammer Airstrike,
the sooner,the better!:)

canopfor on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

FINALLY FOX releases the name.

LegendHasIt on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Then he suddenly transitioned to “regret”…

The non verbals are more telling than the verbals…

Romeo13 on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Kinda like Clinton’s behavior after Brown’s funeral – laughing until he realized he was on camera, then transitioning quickly to pouty sad panda face?

Midas on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

3 minutes in on Brett Baier and the name is said aloud – hmmmm

Ris4victory on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

hahah Brett Baier names the name RIGHT away

ousoonerfan15 on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

I knew Brett would release the name

royzer on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

BREAKING: Fox News has JUST said the name of the shooter.

conservative pilgrim on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

And now they say it…

Shepard Smith numbers will tank even worse after his little throne speech. What a moron.

Thunderstorm129 on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Shep Smith just didn’t want to be the one to release the name.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Hasan worked in the psychiatric center

Erich66 on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

I emailed Fox with the message “Say his name, you cowards.”

silvernana on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

39-40 yr old Army Major

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Well-Armed Lamb on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PMThere is much evidence that McVeigh was working with members of Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi Republican Guard who conspired together to do the OKC bombing.
Read his lawyer’s book and The Third Terrorist by Jayna Davis.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

FOX just used Hasan’s name, just at the beginning of Bret’s show.

JKahn913 on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Shep is a liberal ya know…

royzer on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

We really don’t know the motives and we don’t know for certain anything about what may have been bugging him, including whether he was about to be deployed or redeployed. We don’t know anything about the other two. Let’s just wait before everyone jumps to conclusions.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Lots of soldiers are anxious about being deployed, but that doesn’t cause them to murder their comrades. What’s your point?

Infidoll on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Dude with Bret has the balls to throw out the name. Thank you.

kagai on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

/ Shep just noted AP was reporting the name but wants to err on side of caution

Yes, just like the zombies who were raping people and eating babies in the Superdome, while snipers lined the rooftops of the streets….

reaganaut on November 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM
/ fucking spot on.BULLSEYE.

theTarCzar on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Someone on FNC who is not Sheep Smith just announced the methodist Majors name.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

A soldier from the base said 500 soldiers were sent out to secure the base

William Amos on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Steve Centanni FTW.

There’s a guy who knows first hand what Muslim terrorists can do.

Red Cloud on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Sorry, bub, but Muslim name, recent convert to Islam: those are all the details I need to hear.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

You’re probably right, but it’s not surprising you only need a couple details to completely form your thoughts.

BadgerHawk on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

You get what you need
- Rolling Stones

MB4 on November 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

She has nothing I need. Trust me.

upinak on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Romeo13 on November 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM

I caught his remarks on radio. Was he reading from TOTUS?

Christien on November 5, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Brett’s boss is Britt Hume..you BET he reported it.

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Facts we know …

3. Primary shooter upset with being deployed to Iraq.

Upset about being deployed to Iraq, so he decides to wage war on an American army base.

fourdeucer on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Prison will be so much better

/

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM

That was a major thread bomb.

conservative pilgrim on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

A classic WTF.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Do be fair, it wasn’t Brett who released the name but Steve Centanni.

Enoxo on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM

We really don’t know the motives and we don’t know for certain anything about what may have been bugging him, including whether he was about to be deployed or redeployed. We don’t know anything about the other two. Let’s just wait before everyone jumps to conclusions.

Jimbo3 on November 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Lots of soldiers are anxious about being deployed, but that doesn’t cause them to murder their comrades. What’s your point?

Fixed.

Infidoll on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Google KSTE. Savage is up.

Jerricho68 on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Prison will be so much better

No, he’s in Hell now…..

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM

She goes absolutely purple with hate when she blogs about Sarah Palin.

Jenfidel on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

She really has lost it over Sarah Palin. DS regurgitates every *sin* of SP and her family each time she mentions her name. Crazy.

conservative pilgrim on November 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM

yeah Steve Centanni isnt scared of no muslim

ousoonerfan15 on November 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Facts we know …

1. Islamic Officer primary shooter.
2. At least two co-conspirators (rules out “mad man” M.O.)
3. Primary shooter upset with being deployed to Iraq.

Upset about being deployed to Iraq, so he decides to wage war on an American army base.

fourdeucer on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM

No, we don’t know the facts…yet.

All we have to do is remember back to Columbine, there were all kinds of rumors being reported that turned out to be false. And that doesn’t even come close to the things that got reported wrong at the Mount Carmel stand-off in Waco.

I have no problem with Shep holding off, for now. FNC gets far more scrutiny than other channels.

On a side note, Perry came off looking better than KBH, or Obama.

cozmo on November 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Why does the name Terp Mole ring a bell, but I can’t recall seeing it here before?

splink on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM

He has posted here and on other conservative blogs.

Blake on November 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM

This was a terrorist act.Period.

royzer on November 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM

No, he’s in Hell now…..

JoeinTX on November 5, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Don’t they have one shooter in custody?

CWforFreedom on November 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Muslims murdering in the name of Allah are being consistent with Mohammed’s teachings and with the Hadith.

Small difference, but perhaps you can see it.

splink on November 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM

2:10 Disbelievers are diseased.
2:99 Disbelievers are evil people.
2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom.
2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind.
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers.
3:73 Don’t believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
3:48 Don’t be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.
4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad.
4:101The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
5:51 Jews and Christians are losers.
5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine.
5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people.
9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them.

MB4 on November 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Major Gen Bob Scales –Fox News Analyst–new information from his sources “not the act of a crazy, very deliberate act, EXECUTION STYLE..NOT A RANDOM ACT..A DELIBERATE ACT OF EXECUTION”

labwrs on November 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM

In the loving name of peaceful ISLAM.

royzer on November 5, 2009 at 6:07 PM

I feel for the families of the victims of this tragedy. It’s awful that some people are actually selfish enough to take other people’s lives like that.

Achilles on November 5, 2009 at 6:07 PM

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