Actual 10-year cost of Pelosi Plan: $1.8 trillion

posted at 1:25 pm on November 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Nancy Pelosi tried selling the notion that her version of ObamaCare would only cost $900 billion in the first ten years, later bumped to over $1 trillion when looking at gross costs.  Harry Reid’s Senate version promises to come in at around the same level.  However, both versions rely on three years of delay in implementing their spending plans, which allows for accrual of revenues from new taxes as well as a false sense of the real ten-year costs in the bills.  The New York Post reads the CBO report and discovers that the actual ten-year cost is twice what Pelosi claimed:

Don’t buy the claim that the Sen ate health-care bill is substantially more moderate than the House measure. While Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s legislation is even more onerous than the package created by Sen. Max Baucus and now championed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the larger story is how similar the two Democratic bills are.

First, we need to get past the misleading accounting games. Each bill is routinely “scored” for its 10-year costs from 2010-19. Yet this includes several years when the spending wouldn’t yet have kicked in. According to the Congressional Budget Office, fully 99.9 percent of the Pelosi bill’s costs would hit from 2013 onward. Similarly, 98.3 percent of Reid’s spending would come after 2014.

If you start the tally when the bills’ spending would actually start (in 2013 for the House bill and 2014 for the Senate bill), then the bills’ real 10-year costs become clear — and are remarkably similar.

The CBO reports that, in their true first 10 years, the House bill would cost $1.8 trillion, and the Senate bill would cost $1.7 trillion. Pelosi would raise Americans’ taxes by $1.1 trillion over that period, while Reid would hike them by $1 trillion.

And the House bill would siphon about $800 billion from Medicare to spend it elsewhere, while the Senate bill would suck out about $900 billion.

What does that do to the deficit?  According to the CBO, the first ten years of the Pelosi plan would add $650 billion to the deficit, while the Reid plan in the Senate would hike it by $740 billion.  And that assumes that one can count the money coming from Medicare cuts as true deficit reduction, which is arguable, since the Medicare system is already deeply in the red.

In other words, both Democrats have relied on accounting gimmicks to lie about the true costs of the bills.  This may not come as much of a shock to Hot Air readers, but the scope of the lie is simply breathtaking.  If this bill was truly cost-beneficial to the country, its advocates would not be spending this much effort to cover up its costs.


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this is a shocking revelation. no one saw this one coming.

search4truth on November 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM

And all of it (the cost) will be recuperated from cost-cutting from else where, right?

‘Not one dime (added) to the deficit’, right?

Sir Napsalot on November 5, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Who cares?

The Democrats can’t let little things like economic reality get in the way of the pursuit of their agenda. That would be irresponsible!

/Bleeds Blue

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Thank God we have a vibrant and Free Press that will dig into this and report all the facts. /sarc

Pelosi and Reid are, of course, counting on the LACK of a “vibrant and Free Press”…and a cowed majority in both Houses…to get this passed.

We the people are truly the ONLY hope to stop this!

Justrand on November 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM

The CBO reports that, in their true first 10 years, the House bill would cost $1.8 trillion, and the Senate bill would cost $1.7 trillion. Pelosi would raise Americans’ taxes by $1.1 trillion over that period, while Reid would hike them by $1 trillion.

A trillion dollars in new taxes?! That’s the most expensive “free” health care I’ve ever seen.

Doughboy on November 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM

A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon we’re talking about real money.

OhioCoastie on November 5, 2009 at 1:33 PM

I’m shocked, I tell you. Shocked. Next you’ll tell me that simplesimon is a Troll.

kingsjester on November 5, 2009 at 1:33 PM

I still don’t quite understand how a health care bill of over a trillion dollars is going to reduce the deficit by 500 billion. It just don’t make sense, now do it?
No it do not. This is all about power, and not health, and not reducing the deficit, now isn’t it? Well yes it is.

Dhuka on November 5, 2009 at 1:33 PM

That’s what I call freedom! – Bleeds Blue

I think Republicans should support this bill. Finally, they’ll have a way to tell people they can’t get an abortion. Right liberals. You want a republican to have that power, don’t you?

lorien1973 on November 5, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Well, we just need to hope harder. Then all this boring cost stuff will work out!

ZenDraken on November 5, 2009 at 1:34 PM

OT: But Mike Pence said probably about 10,000 were at the capitol….great turn out guys!!!

deidre on November 5, 2009 at 1:35 PM

A million seconds is 11.5 days. A billion seconds is 32 years. A trillion seconds is 32,000 years.
If we wanted to pay down a trillion dollars of the US debt, paying one dollar a second (no interest), it would take about 32,000 years. Western civilization has not existed for 32,000 years. Neanderthals in Europe disappeared approximately 35,000 years ago.
A tightly-packed stack of new $100 bills totaling $1 million would be about 4 feet high. A billion dollars, 4,000 feet high or equivalent to about three Sears Towers stacked on top of one another. That means a stack of $100 bills totaling $1 trillion would be 789 miles or 144 Mt. Everests stacked on top of one another.
Current estimates of the number of stars in the Milky Way ranges between 100 and 400 billion.
The earth is about 8,000 miles wide (diameter), and the sun is about 800,000 miles wide, not quite a million miles. The earth is about 93 million miles from the sun; this is about 491 billion feet. A dollar bill is about 6 inches long; thus a trillion dollar bills laid end-to-end would stretch further than the distance from the earth from the sun.
The 2007 U.S. federal budget totaled $2.8 trillion. The proposed 2009 budget is $3.1 trillion. Neither includes expenditures for the Iraq war.
In 2007, Microsoft generated $51 billion in revenue — that’s sales, not profits. To reach a trillion dollars in revenue, we’d need 20 Microsofts. [IBM's revenue? 14.5 billion.]
A box that holds a case of copier paper will hold about $72,000 one-dollar bills. It would take 1.4 billion boxes to hold a trillion dollars.
It would take 1.8 trillion pennies to fill the Empire State Building.
With $1 trillion, everyone living in America in 2008 could have 1,000 boxes of Girl Scout cookies.

In case you can’t comprehend a trillion.

fourdeucer on November 5, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Any politician who votes to approve this Bill deserves far worse than just losing their seat.

This is simply madness.

The country can’t afford it, it will deliver a lower standard of care to the majority of Americans, for a far higher price tag.

Anything that this thing is estimated to cost, double it and you’ll be far closer to what it will really cost.

Congressional Democrats aren’t competent. They have no idea what it is they are doing and they shouldn’t be trusted with this.

NoDonkey on November 5, 2009 at 1:39 PM

A trillion dollars in new taxes?! That’s the most expensive “free” health care I’ve ever seen.

Doughboy on November 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM

But 14,000 people are dying in the streets every day!

NickelAndDime on November 5, 2009 at 1:40 PM

We’re dealing with numbers that until now have been strictly the domain of the COSMOS! THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE!!!

Orange Doorhinge on November 5, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Two Trillion Dollars! -Dr Evil

Maquis on November 5, 2009 at 1:40 PM

I can’t believe they would lie to us……….

ultracon on November 5, 2009 at 1:40 PM

How does this help my kids????

WashJeff on November 5, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Live streaming of the ‘House Call’ protest & speeches
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

rayra on November 5, 2009 at 1:41 PM

“I was never told the bill would cost that much. I had no idea. The number-crunchers misled me. They lie to us all the time.”

- Nanny-state Pelosi

red winger on November 5, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Hey, no word on the good news on the economy? Oh wait – good news for America is bad news for the Party of No. Sorry about the ‘bad’ news!

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid must figure that we’ll all be nuked away by Iran regardless, so why worry about the huge deficit.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 5, 2009 at 1:43 PM

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
Adolf Hitler

javamartini on November 5, 2009 at 1:44 PM

How do you say, Please sir, I’d like more bread with my water, in Chinese?

capejasmine on November 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM

accounting gimmicks

This is the problem in all of America’s business.
Our chickens are coming home to roost, folks.
These people really think all this fuzzy math is real.
Since they are dealing with huge sums of other people’s $$, they feel no need to truly understand it.
This is absolute insanity at its worst.

Badger40 on November 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Good news.

Happy now?

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
Adolf Hitler
javamartini on November 5, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Just read over that & more in a book by Richard Overy “The Dictators” about Hitler & Stalin.
The paralells are absolutely frightening.

Badger40 on November 5, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Hey, no word on the good news on the economy? Oh wait – good news for America is bad news for the Party of No. Sorry about the ‘bad’ news!

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

You mean the good news that 512,000 new unemployments claims have been filed in addition to the those already filed and those Americans that have no benefits anymore because theirs have run out? You mean that good news, Skippy?

kingsjester on November 5, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Hey, no word on the good news on the economy? Oh wait – good news for America is bad news for the Party of No. Sorry about the ‘bad’ news!

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Here you go:
- newly laid-off workers seeking unemployment benefits fell to 512,000
- Analysts project that the unemployment rate rose to 9.9 percent in October.
- Getting more from each worker could make companies put off hiring workers but the lower costs will boost profits as the economy recovers

WashJeff on November 5, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Magic unicorns will fly out of Pelosi’s butt tossing trillion dollar bills to pay for this.

Jeff from WI on November 5, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Hey, no word on the good news on the economy? Oh wait – good news for America is bad news for the Party of No. Sorry about the ‘bad’ news!

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Simpleton. The spin meister!

capejasmine on November 5, 2009 at 1:47 PM

If this came in at just $1.8 trillion it would be a miracle. The actual cost is going to register somewhere around $10 trillion, as has been true for every government fiasco like this. KikiCare in Hawaii only lasted 8 months before it ran well past its cost estimates and had to be shut down – and that was just kids’ public insurance. ObamaCare can’t be shut down once its started up.

This health care debacle is nothing less than a declaration of national suicide. Secession will follow if this is implemented. Anyone who is stuck with the federal government after something this insane is adopted will go down the tubes with the feds.

progressoverpeace on November 5, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I think that people are overreacting to these supposed massive deficits. Obviously this isn’t a real problem because Congress will simply raise everyones taxes and build in massive rationing in the healthcare bureaucracy.

See – problem solved!

gwelf on November 5, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Hey, no word on the good news on the economy? Oh wait – good news for America is bad news for the Party
simpleton on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

What good news? Did Fauxbama and the rest of the Statists resign in disgrace?

Rush Limbaugh called, he wants his catch phrase back.

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Actual 10-year cost of Pelosi Plan: $1.8 trillion

Now take that figure, add another 50%, quadruple it, then add another 20% and then you might get close to the actual cost.

Monica on November 5, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Good news.

Happy now?

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM

That sums up my office. We’ve lost a few people over the last year mostly due to them leaving, not being fired. But they haven’t been replaced. We’re doing the same work with less staff.

Doughboy on November 5, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Whimpy’s in charge.

“I’d gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today”.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 1:49 PM

If this came in at just $1.8 trillion it would be a miracle. The actual cost is going to register somewhere around $10 trillion

Don’t know about $10 trillion, but I agree that $1.8 trillion is way low.

In fact, it probably can’t reach $10 trillion, because it will collapse before it gets there, unless hyperinflation tacks a few zeroes onto everything.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Folks, our country is being stolen from us.

marklmail on November 5, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Whimpy’s in charge.

“I’d gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today”.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 1:49 PM

It’s more like:

“‘d gladly pay you with this guys money for a hamburger today.”

gwelf on November 5, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Wow, Government spending twice as much as they told us it would be. WHO would have thunk it?

PappaMac on November 5, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Michelle Obama will set up an international vegetable stand and sell vegetables from her garden to pay for this.
The girls can help. Of and Bob just loves that family.

Jeff from WI on November 5, 2009 at 1:51 PM

oh not of

Jeff from WI on November 5, 2009 at 1:51 PM

“button up my sleeve and pull a rabbit out of my hat…presto!….uh oh…i think i need a new hat!”

-senator bullwinkle moose (D)

DrW on November 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM

This is a pattern with Democrats:

In 1966, then Governor Pat Brown (D) had the California accounting system changed from cash to accrual. He thus had 15 months of income to barely balance his last 12 months of expenditures.

Reagan was forced to raise taxes in 1967, but sent all of us taxpayers a REFUND a few years later.

WATCH DEMOCRATS LIKE A HAWK! Especially when they are counting money – YOUR money!

fred5678 on November 5, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Let me be clear… Pelosi inherited this bill from George Bush.

Don’t know about $10 trillion, but I agree that $1.8 trillion is way low.

In fact, it probably can’t reach $10 trillion, because it will collapse before it gets there, unless hyperinflation tacks a few zeroes onto everything.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Hate to break it to you, but the extreme underestimation is exactly what has happened with every other entitlement program.

Oh, and btw… I’m still not sure how many people are unaware, but we aren’t just $12 trillion in debt… Factor in SS, Medicare, etc. and we have $105 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities:

http://usdebtclock.org/

(scroll down)

I’m not sure the country can survive this, especially given that it’s not being addressed, and won’t be.

RightWinged on November 5, 2009 at 1:53 PM

How much does working in a rice paddy pay?

Jeff from WI on November 5, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Sorry about the ‘bad’ news!

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

A $1.8 trillion price tag is the ultimate in bad news, coming in at double the original “deficit neutral” price tag.

Unless you’re a simpleton.

fogw on November 5, 2009 at 1:53 PM

“$1.8 trillion”

Hmmm, almost doubled. Someone must have got hold of the proposed member salaries for those 111 boards and commissions.

Dusty on November 5, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Cue Captain Renault in 3…2…1…

Dominion on November 5, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Don’t know about $10 trillion, but I agree that $1.8 trillion is way low.

In fact, it probably can’t reach $10 trillion, because it will collapse before it gets there, unless hyperinflation tacks a few zeroes onto everything.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Shhhh, don’t give away the plan just yet OK?

Johnnyreb on November 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Hey, no word on the good news on the economy? Oh wait – good news for America is bad news for the Party of No. Sorry about the ‘bad’ news!

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

What “good news”, simpleton? No jobs…growth by overworking those who produce, and by overtaxing them. Those sans jobs will all vote next year, not for you.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 1:55 PM

so the Post is the only ones to actually read the CBO report.

So Rush’s calling the “press” repeaters is like 100% true, they call the DNC for their talking points

800B from Medicare…ha, the AARP loves Obama

Truely, what kinds of people are these? taking money from people they are supposed to represent

beyond corrupt

r keller on November 5, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Part of the money to pay for this plan is because Pelosi knows where a leprechaun hides his gold.

Jeff from WI on November 5, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I assumed it was already obvious that the citizen voters of this great country not only enjoy getting keestered by the politicians they elect, they also enjoy it so deeply that they keep re-electing them so they can be repeatedly and habitually keestered year after year after year.

So, why all the shock and awe at this revelation?

Can’t you see? It’s what the people want. They demand it every election cycle and have been for decades in some cases.

SilverStar830 on November 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM

I’ve been listening to FOX all morning, every time they interviewed a D I stopped what I was doing and watched. Whenever they asked a question about the funding for this bill (relying on billions in “fines” to finance a large prtion of this) the D would rudely inturrupt and change the subject. They are dead serious about passing this bill and they are willing to run over anyone in their way to do it. They allow no criticisim or questions and spew talking points until the guy doing the interview is forced to stop for a break. I think this bill might be passed and we are all going to be screwed because America fell for the rhetoric of a silver-tongued community agitator.

Mord on November 5, 2009 at 2:07 PM

It’s more like:

“‘d gladly pay you with this guys money for a hamburger today.”

gwelf on November 5, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Try, my grandkids will gladly pay for this hamburger I’m taking today.

MarkTheGreat on November 5, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Once the media went lame, years ago, the lies flow like rain.

Watching our tyranny be built right before our eyes, in realtime:

“Mankind will in time discover that unbridled majorities are as tyrannical and cruel as unlimited despots.” – John Adams “

Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” — James Madison

tarpon on November 5, 2009 at 2:10 PM

A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon we’re talking about default.

Mike Honcho on November 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Simpleton, just for you, you liar, along with those you love…

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” — James Madison

tarpon on November 5, 2009 at 2:10 PM

What we have is far, far worse than an enslaved press. We have a press that is enthusiastically aiding and abetting the tyranny. They are worse than Pravda ever was. This is dangerous beyond belief.

progressoverpeace on November 5, 2009 at 2:18 PM

One trillion dollars (plus+++!!) to provide medical insurance for about 15 million people? It’s unbelievable that anyone can actually promote this crap with a straight face.

LASue on November 5, 2009 at 2:18 PM

It’s unbelievable that anyone can actually promote this crap with a straight face.

LASue on November 5, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Behold, the power of Botox!

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Hey, no word on the good news on the economy? Oh wait – good news for America is bad news for the Party of No. Sorry about the ‘bad’ news!

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I see your benefits haven’t run out yet…sooner or later you’ll have to get off the dole and stop using the computers at the library to troll.

Asher on November 5, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Asher on November 5, 2009 at 2:23 PM

I hate to break this to you, but the Senate just passed a 16-20 week extension to benefits.

And a few months from now, they’ll probably do it again.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM

A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon we’re talking about default.
Mike Honcho on November 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Heh, I’m “borrowing” that.

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 2:27 PM

What we have is far, far worse than an enslaved press. We have a press that is enthusiastically aiding and abetting the tyranny. They are worse than Pravda ever was. This is dangerous beyond belief.

progressoverpeace

I agree, but it was unfathomable back then that a free press would actually do this. The warning sings for America came when the press sided with fascist Mussolini and his socialist utopia pre-WWII.

We need an alternative for the lamestream media, for America to be free. Michelle and crew is doing a good job with some things in that respect. I think the next thing will be interactive.

tarpon on November 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM

One trillion dollars (plus+++!!) to provide medical insurance for about 15 million people? It’s unbelievable that anyone can actually promote this crap with a straight face.

LASue

You have to realize, in the minds of the Democrats they think of Americans as ignorant.

tarpon on November 5, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I hate to break this to you, but the Senate just passed a 16-20 week extension to benefits.

And a few months from now, they’ll probably do it again.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM

This is MORE terrible news for the Party of No. Only bad is good for these people. Carry on, brave obstructionists!

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM

CRIMINALLY INSANE. THEY WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO ENSLAVE VOTERS FOR POWER.

marklmail on November 5, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Assuming the following:

1) the total cost of healthcare in the US is at 17% of the current economy.

2) ANY government program will cost 2x as much as a private program.

3) Sustainability will require TAX INCREASES to cover the final costs.

Then what we are looking at is a 34% increase in overall taxes.

Is it even possible to tax people at what will be an effective rate of MORE than 80%? Or will people simply quit working under such a system, as they have always done in the past?

Freddy on November 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Pelosi is to the average American citizen
what Katrina was to New Orleans.

scalleywag on November 5, 2009 at 2:39 PM

This is MORE terrible news for the Party of No. Only bad is good for these people. Carry on, brave obstructionists!

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Hey simpleton. We get it! You have no problem with tax payers living on what little earnings they’ll get with Democrats in charge. Of course, I’m sure you would, if you were going to be affected negatively this way. What does a box crusher at McDonalds make now days?

capejasmine on November 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM

What we have is far, far worse than an enslaved press. We have a press that is enthusiastically aiding and abetting the tyranny. They are worse than Pravda ever was. This is dangerous beyond belief.
progressoverpeace

I agree, but it was unfathomable back then that a free press would actually do this. The warning sings for America came when the press sided with fascist Mussolini and his socialist utopia pre-WWII.
We need an alternative for the lamestream media, for America to be free. Michelle and crew is doing a good job with some things in that respect. I think the next thing will be interactive.
tarpon on November 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Do the pukes in the SCM ever consider how they will be treated by History?

They had better ‘Hope’ that Fauxbama and the rest of the Statists don’t run this country into the toilet, some of that blood will be on their hands.

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I agree, but it was unfathomable back then that a free press would actually do this.

Big time. It’s still unfathomable, even seeing it happen. But, that’s what affirmative action, insane political correctness, and the love of collectivism will do. This is why I said that SHrillary would not have posed even a thousandth the threat that The Precedent does. Aside from the fact that the press loves the idea of a socialist American superstate, it is the deathly fear of saying anything bad about a black guy that contributes a lot to this problem. The same press has had no problem tearing white women to shreds (legitmately attacking shrillary’s insanity and then the unbelievable assault on Palin that knew no bounds, at all), but when it comes to blacks, they allow themselves nothing but talk of “we’re so proud of you,” even as the imbecile does one stupid thing after another.

The refrain is sadly true, affirmative action will kill this nation.

The warning sings for America came when the press sided with fascist Mussolini and his socialist utopia pre-WWII.

We need an alternative for the lamestream media, for America to be free. Michelle and crew is doing a good job with some things in that respect. I think the next thing will be interactive.

tarpon on November 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM

I don’t think this nation has a chance, frankly. People are too scared about race riots if anyone says anything bad about The Precedent and he launches back into his racial defense – as was pulled out for the town halls and tea parties. This fear of blacks rioting is what kept the eligibility cases from being heard – even by many on the right.

Once a society starts down the affirmative action/political correctness path, there is no escape, just a destructive end. That is what we are headed towards and I really don’t see any way to avert it. That pathetic Nobel Peace Prize was a signal of how badly this cancer had metastasized. Like Ebola, there will be no cure for this. The host will die a nasty, ugly death, and that will live on as a cautionary tale for future generations.

progressoverpeace on November 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The point was simply that we’re stuck with you for several more months, assuming Allah or Ed doesn’t tire of your mindless tripe.

I don’t begrudge the unemployed a hand-out, even you.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Gee, you’d think that putzs like simpleton would be able to stand and debate the moronic ideas of the Statists.

I guess that just goes to show that they can’t even defend their own ideology and can only try to suppress opposing viewspoints.

Juno77 on November 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I don’t begrudge the unemployed a hand-out, even you.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Compassionate conservatism – a winning strategy.

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM

$1.8 trillion? More likely the cost will exceed $7 trillion when you factor in fraud, mismanagement bureaucratic bungling and featherbedding, political payoffs, porkulus, inflation,cost overruns etc. etc.

But why should a trivial monetary sum stand in the way of a health care bill that will lead to vastly reduced medical service, vastly increased medical costs, national bankruptcy and allow the government to exercise complete control over its citizens’ private lives?

MaiDee on November 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM

500,000 per week filing new unemployment claims x 52 weeks

Equals 26,000,000 newly unemployed per year
x 2 years equals 52,000,000 by the Nov. 2010 elections
and 104,000,000 by the 2012.

No wonder they extended unemployment we’ll all be on the free money for wakin up gig by the time we get to vote for the Dims and their fearless leader The Pinnochio Presidente.

Screw the Tea Parties I’m ready for Torches and Pitchforks!

dhunter on November 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Given that your own personal Jesus is the one who screwed you over, I figure some slack is in order.

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Hey simpleton which ACORN office do you work in?

dhunter on November 5, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Hey simpleton which ACORN office do you work in?

dhunter on November 5, 2009 at 2:56 PM

One up in NY-23.

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 2:58 PM

simplesimon on November 5, 2009 at 2:58 PM

OK, that was actually pretty good. Who are you and how did you hack into our usual simpleton’s account?

notropis on November 5, 2009 at 3:00 PM

When unemployment was 200,000 a week under W. it was a recession when it’s 512,000 under the Lyin Pinnochio it is the best weekly unemployment number since January!

What happened in January? Oh yea the Fascists took over.

Hang em high and let God sort em out!

I’d rather go back to W’s recession?

Is your economic situation better or worse since the Lyin Pinnochio Presidente took power?

dhunter on November 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Mark Levin rallies that troops in DC:
http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/11/mark-levin-at-health-care-tea-party.html

MSNBC’s article says that the only people in attendance at the rally are conservative Republicans. How blind and dumb is that network?

onlineanalyst on November 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Screw the Tea Parties I’m ready for Torches and Pitchforks!

dhunter on November 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Screw torches and pitchforks. I’m bringing my AR-15 and my .40 S&W.

Dominion on November 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Screw torches and pitchforks. I’m bringing my AR-15 and my .40 S&W.

Dominion on November 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM

That’s why I haven’t gone to D.C. yet I’m savin myself for the real battle!

Aim small, hit small!

dhunter on November 5, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Just one question: Why no coverage of the Capitol protest today on HotAir?

Susanboo on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Isn’t it clear to everybody, that these Democrats don’t care about the cost to the U.S. citizens, because they are going to get their money and be long gone before these programs go into effect!
Then their successors will blame the Republicans for spending out of control during their terms.

THESE DEMOCRATS ARE NOTHING BUT LIARS AND THIEVES!

Cybergeezer on November 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Two Trillion Dollars! -Dr Evil

Maquis on November 5, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Nanzi is going to have a pool set up in the well of the House so she can use her CIA-provided sharks with frickin’ laser beams on their heads to bully the Blue Dog Dems into line.

ya2daup on November 5, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Just one question: Why no coverage of the Capitol protest today on HotAir?

Susanboo on November 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM

I think some Democrat went nuts at Fort Hood to make headlines.

Cybergeezer on November 5, 2009 at 5:03 PM

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