Hillary promises “an Israeli capital in East Jerusalem”
posted at 10:12 am on November 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The incompetence of American diplomacy reached a new nadir yesterday in an incident vershadowed by the elections in the US. Hillary Clinton told Al-Jazeera in an interview that the US wants to see an Israeli capital in East Jerusalem. Apparently, the chief diplomat of the United States and the woman who ran on her experience in foreign affairs did not remember that East Jerusalem is primarily Palestinian:
Egypt and other Arab nations reacted with strong concern to remarks Clinton made in Jerusalem on Saturday. She caused a stir when she said with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at her side that his government’s offer to restrain — but not stop — settlement activity in Palestinian areas was unprecedented.
And in a new twist Tuesday, Clinton made what appeared to be an inadvertent slip of the tongue in a television interview with the al-Jazeera network, referring to the goal of “an Israeli capital in east Jerusalem.”
It has not been U.S. policy to favor including east Jerusalem in an Israeli capital; the Palestinians claim it as their capital, and the issue is one of the most important and delicate points that would have to be settled in any final peace deal between the two parties.
Two Clinton aides monitoring the interview alerted her to the mistake and that portion of the interview was retaped so she could correct herself.
Anyone who has bothered to read the newspapers on Israel knows that East Jerusalem is part of the disputed territory. While American Presidents have talked for decades about Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, not one has insisted on East Jerusalem. It’s so incompetent that one has to wonder if Hillary has any real understanding of the conflict at all.
There are some who think that Hillary could disconnect herself from a bumbling Obama administration and make a credible run at the Democratic nomination in 2012. Unfortunately, Hillary herself has been a large part of the bumbling of this White House. She has been an embarrassment on the world stage, with the “reset” button for Russia that was mistranslated, and written in Latin characters rather than Cyrillic, intended as a stunt to insult the outgoing Bush administration. There was also Hillary’s highly undiplomatic opinion offered publicly that European democracy was incomprehensible, as well as a Johnny-come-lately compared to the US, which shows an ignorance of history as well as diplomacy.
Just another example of “smart power.”
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Hmmm… This post of yours hadn’t been up by the time I finally read down the posts and responded to AnninCA. However, I have a small couple of problems with what you posted. For one, the “narrowly avoided gaffe” doesn’t say that she didn’t agree with Bill, although I can give you that it IS a way out to possibly clarify by saying that’s not what SHE wants, but what HE thought would be best. For another, the Clinton’s-plural may not be in power now, but the Clinton-singular (Hillary) is. Secretary of State is quite a prestigious and powerful position when it comes to diplomacy. She is the speaker for the President on foreign policy matters overseas.
I think part of the problem here, is that I agree with some of your earlier posts on this. I think Hillary could be a better SoS than she is allowed to be now. I would never want to see her in the White House, as I think her domestic policies are too closely aligned with Obama. However, on foreign policy, I think she being more controlled by Obama than some think, and would be better at the job if she were allowed more a free reign to do her job properly. I feel a bit sorry for her because of this; I think she has to push for policies and such that would not necessarily be her own decisions.
Highlar on November 4, 2009 at 11:49 AM
I agree with you in principle about people making misstatements. However, in this particular case, it is a big deal when our Secretary of State makes such a major misstatement of fact about such an incredibly sensitive international issue that is currently a source of great tension. This misstatement also raises doubt about Mrs. Clinton’s competence in her role. It’s a very big deal that she made this misstatement NOT when she was distracted by other matters, but while talking about these very issues in an interview with a critical newspaper for which she should have been well prepared and on her toes. I suggest you try to imagine Hillary having to correct herself if she had said this:
The great story here for anybody willing to find it, write about it and explain it is this vast left-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president.
— Hillary Rodham Clinton
But she didn’t have to correct herself then because she was well prepared for the role she was playing during that interview. If Hillary must be our Secretary of State, I’d like her to do as good a job representing us as she did representing her lying and philandering husband.
Loxodonta on November 4, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Ed, I’d love to see an “update” on this story with the reaction from the palestinians.
Or should we just watch for the mushroom clouds to start rising over Israel?
UltimateBob on November 4, 2009 at 11:50 AM
I think she might be able to do such, if she weren’t so constrained by the White House to present their case instead of hers.
However, I do agree with you on the competence issue, as I said in my reply to AnninCA as well.
Highlar on November 4, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Wonder how people would react if Palestinians claimed ‘East Washington DC’ as their land. This whole ‘dispute’ is a sick farce and our incompetent leaders are toying with real peoples lives.
The Palestinians have their own states called Jordan and Egypt. They are refugees from the arab muslim wars of aggression against the Jews to destroy their homeland, Israel.
If these idiots just picked up a book, they’re realize what all these conflicts are about, Islam’s goal of global domination .
Don’t give the Fakestinians an inch Israel, screw the US administration, bomb Iran while there’s time and hold tight until 2012, when the US electorate will kick these corrupt leftist anti-freedom, anti-American, anti-semitic douchebags out of office.
thinkagain on November 4, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Screw you, ahole. The majority of conservatives do not support the division of Jerusalem. How leftard of you to say otherwise.
Blake on November 4, 2009 at 11:55 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
Aristotle on November 4, 2009 at 11:59 AM
This woman laughed at Obama’s naiveté, now she’s his apostle, how sad. I still think she would have made a better president, then again, right now anyone would.
Israel just sized a ship carrying missiles from Iran to Gaza. I don’t mind giving East Jerusalem to the Palestinians, heck, give them everything and let Obama get the credit. I know many Israelis who would love to get political asylum in the United State.
Michelle Dubois on November 4, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Palin knows the Scriptures. If she would have said East Jerusalem, she’d have meant it.
jimmy2shoes on November 4, 2009 at 12:01 PM
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/clueless
Dark-Star on November 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM
About time we had a guy in office who was going to totally kick Palestinian ass. I’m sick of their whining.
lorien1973 on November 4, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Ed, you’re not gonna give this woman the benefit of the doubt that it was a simple slip of the tongue?
AlexB on November 4, 2009 at 12:06 PM
First: Please explain how a territory claimed by both Israel and the Palestinian Authority is not disputed.
Second: Cite where Ed said East Jerusalem shouldn’t be part of Israel.
Third: If you are so filled hate for one of our hosts that you can’t even be civil to him, why do read and post here?
Fourth: As a supporter of Israel, I suggest you’re intolerance of simple statements of fact is not helpful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Loxodonta on November 4, 2009 at 12:06 PM
And another even bigger examlple of “smart power”:
Another “Isolated Attack”.
Five British soldiers are dead today, fatalities of see-no-Islam political correctness. The story from the AP:
KABUL— An Afghan policeman opened fire on British soldiers in the volatile southern province of Helmand, killing five before fleeing, British and Afghan authorities said Wednesday, raising concerns about discipline within the Afghan forces and possible infiltration by insurgents.
The attack Tuesday afternoon came a month after an Afghan policeman on patrol with U.S. soldiers fired on the Americans, killing two.
Presidential spokesman Humayun Hamidzada said it was an isolated attack.
Sure. Just as last month’s Afghan attack on US forces, killing two, was an isolated attack. And just as September’s Afghan attack on US forces, wounding one, was an isolated attack. And just as the September ambush at Ganjgal, likely aided by Afghan forces, that killed four US Marines was an isolated attack. And just as August’s “fire sack” ambush, likely aided by Afghan forces, killing Marine Lance Corporal Joshua Bernard, was an isolated attack. It’s simply amazing how many “isolated” attacks there have been (see below for more).
The commander of international forces in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, said he discussed the shooting with Interior Minister Mohammad Hanif Atmar, who “gave me his assurance that this incident will be fully and transparently investigated.”
Woop-de-do.
“We will not let this event deter our resolve to building a partnership with the Afghan National Security Forces to provide for Afghanistan’s future,” he said in a joint statement issued by NATO forces and the ministry.
In other words, all of these dead soldiers are sacrifices Gen. McChrystal is willing to make on the altar of multiculturally-driven zealotry.
MB4 on November 4, 2009 at 12:09 PM
1) US considers Jerusalem (per Jerusalem Embassy Act)a united city, and a capital of the Jewish state
2) as far as arabs are concerned, all of Isreal is a disputed territory, ergo it is irrelevant what they think or dispute
runner on November 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM
[Comment deleted, user banned. -- Ed]
Aristotle on November 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM
These past 10 months have been like a nightmare, with the exception of last night. Finally, I felt some hope, and change, and loved it.
Now, with Hillary, I can’t help but wonder…could this have been said intentionally? I think it’s abundantly clear she’s not happy in her position. I suspect she loves the job, but not the boss. He seems to use, and dispose of people at his will, and she’s feeling ostracized. What better way to try, and make him look the fool?
capejasmine on November 4, 2009 at 12:24 PM
I have a similar feeling…it’s as if she is setting him up for a big fall before she runs against him in 2012.
kanda on November 4, 2009 at 12:33 PM
1) I believe our diplomats have always been careful to avoid the Jerusalem issue in public discussions. This is why “the interview was retaped so she could correct herself.”
2) If it is “irrelevant” what Arabs “think or dispute,” why has every American administration since 1967 tried to promote a peaceful, negotiated resolution to the disputes between Israel, her Arab neighbors, and the Palestinian Arabs? Are we all that anti-Israeli, or anti-Semitic, or just stupid? I don’t think so.
Loxodonta on November 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Hillary is supposed to be America’s top diplomat.
The subject of Jerusalem and all of Isreal is very delicate. Every word must be carefully weighed to make sure that exactly the right message is being sent.
There is no room for any mistakes in this area. If Hillary isn’t aware of this, then she needs to resign as Secretary of State.
MarkTheGreat on November 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM
The US of A?
MarkTheGreat on November 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM
This is exactly the feeling I’ve been getting lately about HRC as well. I would not want her running everything, but I do think she could be a competent SoS, because she IS an independent person, and has her own strong mind on issues. I think Obama keeps close tabs on her and has her doing things HIS way instead of hers as SoS, and I’m sure that frustrates her to no end.
Highlar on November 4, 2009 at 12:38 PM
There is no god given right to a job. If the Indians can do a better job, and cheaper, then they have as much right to do the work as anyone else.
I must add that we expect HP to compete around the world. They can’t do that if they are forced to use only American labor.
MarkTheGreat on November 4, 2009 at 12:39 PM
So why not bring up that it is none of our business where Israel puts their capital? I thought the new admin was not going to interfere in other nations business. If Israel wants to wipe out all of the muslims in East Jerusalem and build their capital there, they can. I doubt they would, they want peace. But it would be their choice either way…
jeffn21 on November 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Thanks. You are my first entry in a new list: Pro-Israel Trolls.
Loxodonta on November 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Not even a nice try. She is the leading diplomat of the United States now, not some poster on Hot Air. Her words do have consequences.
But we all know that in your world, the Clintons can do no wrong. Even when they have been documented to have done some rather nasty things in the past.
I once asked a Clintonista on another forum what he would do if he witnessed Billy Jeff break into his house and rape his kid sister. This drone said he would presume Clintoon innocent until proven otherwise.
Del Dolemonte on November 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM
No. The UN.
Shy Guy on November 4, 2009 at 12:56 PM
The Pro-pro-trolls of the Yellers of Zion.
Shy Guy on November 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Are you saying American Labor is somehow inferior to non-American Labor?
kanda on November 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Thank you for providing yourself as the perfect example of a RACIST, HOMOCIDAL LUNATIC who promotes the murder of Christians.
Palestine belongs to Palestinian Orthodox Christians and always has. Jerusalem is the property of the Orthodox Christian Church.
Yes PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS..the same Christians the israeli government murders,oppresses and then get a standing applause for doing so from pseudo christian John Haggee and his mindless pseudo christian followers.
Read the Goldstone report.
You wonder why israeli support is dwindling to almost nil?
The days of Americans supporting the israeli regime are almost over.
The younger generation overwhelmingly does not support the israeli state.
Without America.. NO ONE will protect you from Russia who IS coming to get you and end this injustice against Christians and end the mideast nuclear arms race.
Look it up..Putin is putting bases in syria, arming iran with anti aircraft equipment..he is waiting for the right moment to pounce and take away the israeli NUCLEAR weapons that started the whole mid east arms race to begin with.
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM
The US policy on Jerusalem is very clear – it is undivided, it is a capital. Congress said so, Bush said so , Obama said so.
Because, arab claims are illegitimate, go against US interest in the region and US has enough leverage to remind them of that from time to time.
runner on November 4, 2009 at 1:06 PM
God is on the side of Israel. The USA is on the side of Israel. There is no Palestine.
kanda on November 4, 2009 at 1:06 PM
speaking of mad cows
runner on November 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM
*interests in the region*
runner on November 4, 2009 at 1:08 PM
every word you type is a lie
runner on November 4, 2009 at 1:08 PM
ISRAEL IS THE CHURCH.
The Bible very clearly calls the CHURCH the Israel of God.
Are you really so dense that just because someone says “I am israel”(even though they DENY Christ and murder Christians)..you automatically accept that they are israel and say that they can do no wrong and that God is always on their side?
WOW!
Does God support the murder of 2 year old Chistians women an children?
What kind of sick and evil God do you worship?
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 1:15 PM
What those of us who have WALKED the land over there know… this is NOT a large area.
You can drive clear across Israel faster than I can drive across Denver.
If the “Palestinians” get all the land they want, Israel will in places be ony 20 KILOMETERS wide… yep, a bit more than 10 Freakin MILES.
Jerusalem itself? population of 763,800 residents over an area of 125.1 km2 (48.3 sq mi)… or an area about 5 x 9 Miles in area….
Thats what they are fighting about… there is NO way you can have an area of that size be owned by TWO countries, and have any semblance of Security, or Peace.
Romeo13 on November 4, 2009 at 1:15 PM
you lie, to promote your freaky agenda, antisemitic pig. be gone.
runner on November 4, 2009 at 1:19 PM
I was watching Hillary this morning. She looked high on something.
Connie on November 4, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Doubtlessly aiming to expand her consciousness and free her mind.
Or trying to dull the pain of being a key part of a flailing, rudderless “administration”.
More likely the latter.
NoDonkey on November 4, 2009 at 1:29 PM
HRC meets Kaddafi’s terrorist capo;
Recall, Megrahi’s supposed to be dead from prostate cancer by now… naturally, Libyan medicine has brought a miraculous recovery. The mass murderer is retired comfortably in his Libyan estate with family. Terrorism still pays– handsomely.
Terp Mole on November 4, 2009 at 1:29 PM
She reminds me of one particularly annoying lefty in school that would always talk about the books her husband read. As though it was her own accomplishment.
ronsfi on November 4, 2009 at 1:29 PM
I was about to ask you the same thing! But why bother. Sadly, you are an irretrievable lost soul.
honsy on November 4, 2009 at 1:31 PM
runner,
you lie, to promote your freaky agenda, antiChristian pig. be gone.
Guess what race the palestinians are smart guy..
They are semites.
As are ALL the Christians in the region.
I wholeheartedly support the Jerusalm Orthodox Church..The Antiochian Orthodox Church..The Syriac Orthodox Church..The Armenian Jerusalem Patriarchate…ALL Semitic Christians and I support ALL Christians regardless of race or ethnicity.
You who do not accept this Christian Biblical Truth are RACIST!
The Palestinians are NOT inferior because of their race(semitic)like YOU think.
The Palestinian Orthodox Christians have been in the land of palestine for way over 2,000 years.
It is their land.
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 1:33 PM
No. Nor did he support the murder of millions of Jews, and Christians.
God does not support the murder of anyone. Thou Shalt Not Kill! It doesn’t give specifications, as to religous denomination.
capejasmine on November 4, 2009 at 1:34 PM
What the hell was that guy about????
Blake on November 4, 2009 at 1:34 PM
If Israel is harming Christians in Palestine their target is the Islamo-facists who want to destroy Israel. Sorry but they have a duty to protect themselves against pure evil.
I’m fine with them taking east Jerusalem and any where else the islamists live. They can have the whole middle east if it would stem the reproduction of islam.
Haunches on November 4, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Hogwash! The term Palestinian is far less than 2,000 years old.
honsy on November 4, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Jewish history goes back 5,000 years.
capejasmine on November 4, 2009 at 1:36 PM
And Obamabots wonder why Barry isn’t getting anything accomplished. Hey, where’s that guy, “Joe”, who was supposed to provide the ‘foreign diplomacy expertise’? Sure as hell isn’t coming from ‘the smartest woman in the world’.
GarandFan on November 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM
MinimusConfessor is an example of a divisive “Christian” that brings shame on Christians in general. Thankfully, true Christians do not resemble him in the least.
honsy on November 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Genesis 6-9 Noah and the great flood
Genesis 19:24 The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah with fire brimstone
The Book of Revelation tells of the wrath of God upon those who are against Israel.
My God has given many examples in the bible that run counter to what you say. This means you are a liar because my God speaks the truth via his word the Holy Bible.
kanda on November 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM
You obviously do not know what you are talking about honsy.
The Jerusalem Orthodox Church can provide you the lists of the Bishops ordained IN JERUSALEM from St James the Apostle to his successor to his successor to his successor on and on and on until today.
The state of “israel” was only created in 1947.
For 1,947 years we have been there continuously!
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 1:44 PM
( : Good one : )
yoda on November 4, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Contrary to this idiotarian’s venom, the Islamo-fascist Paleosimians are ethnically cleansing areas under their control of all native Christians.
Don’t be an Islamo-fascism apologist your whole life.
Terp Mole on November 4, 2009 at 1:46 PM
You are wrong.
CHRISTIAN history goes back 5,000 years.
As Jesus Christ is the Jewish Messiah..Orthodox Christianity is the ONLY continuation of this history.
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Ed Morrissey illustrates that Smart Power Hillary hasn’t a clue. Unfortunately the Tuzla Trickster’s Terrible Faux Pas will not get the attention it deserves.
Basilsbest on November 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Don’t be ignorant your whole life reding biased third hand propaganda.
Go to Jerusalem and see for yourself.
Practically the whole city is owned by the Orthodox Church and has been for 2,000 years.
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Hey, Hillary is a woman, they get their directions mixed up. Besides, no one in the middle east takes a woman diplomat or leader seriously anyhow. They all probably had a good laugh.
Jeff from WI on November 4, 2009 at 1:52 PM
3..2..1…
Jeff from WI on November 4, 2009 at 1:53 PM
She’d have credibility as a goat herder
Jeff from WI on November 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Con artist needs to take his whining up with Hamas… any guesses how long his Christian apostacy would be tolerated?
I know, I know… it’s all the IDF’s fault, right?
Terp Mole on November 4, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Compare and contrast with Sarah Palin’s coverage.
And Ed, I think you need to use the photo of Hillary tossing back a few shots for these stories.
TexasDan on November 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Jewish history goes back 5,000 years.
capejasmine on November 4, 2009 at 1:36 PM
That’s indisputable. What the hell is going on when people seem to think that Jerusalem is anything but a Jewish city?
Number of Jerusalem references in the Koran = ZERO.
Morever, where are all these dumbass HA commenters coming from?
TexasJew on November 4, 2009 at 2:00 PM
FIFY.
Maybe we can get something for taxpayer money and get some government cheese out of her.
NoDonkey on November 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Not me Jeff….I know the sun sets in the west, have a sailboat compass, and a Garmin….my husband calls me Magellan. ( :
yoda on November 4, 2009 at 2:02 PM
You are wrong.
CHRISTIAN history goes back 5,000 years.
As Jesus Christ is the Jewish Messiah..Orthodox Christianity is the ONLY continuation of this history.
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Tell that to the Israelis, Friar Tuck.
TexasJew on November 4, 2009 at 2:02 PM
you time is up, pukin
runner on November 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM
quit rewriting history , dumbass. no one is converted.
runner on November 4, 2009 at 2:05 PM
goes along with this “faith”
runner on November 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Oh, so we’re supposed to rely on an anonymous con artist as a reliable source? LMAO! You have the reasoning skills of a slug.
Don’t be a Hamas-hugger your whole life.
Terp Mole on November 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
his faith
runner on November 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM
I think it’s time for you to start doing some critical research my friend.
Why not look at what CHRISTIANS in palestine say about this?
http://www.antiochian.org/Orthodox_Church_Who_What_Where_Why/Who_Is_The_New_Israel.htm
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Just noticed this. Ed, why do you tolerate MaximusConfessor ? Has he not said enough for you to ban him ?
runner on November 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM
With that rationale of thinking, you might as well realize you’re actually a Muslim.
Shy Guy on November 4, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Or a Moby!
honsy on November 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Normally, I don’t like banning posters. However, in this particular case, thanks, Ed. Good job.
Loxodonta on November 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Why not? Well, because it’s a waste of time. Your idiotic claims to Jerusalem are rendered irrelevant the second IDF leaves the scene. Do you imagine that genocidal Islamo-fascists will ever tolerate Christian claims to Jerusalem? anymore than they do Jewish claims? (or secular internationalist claims)?
I know everyone needs a hobby. Here we learn that MaxCon’s involves using his cranium for a public colonoscopy, then crabwalking across the stage of HotAir expecting folks to admire the new “research” hat. But I accept your inability to present (or address) evidence as an admission of your intellectual bankruptcy.
/dismissed
Terp Mole on November 4, 2009 at 2:29 PM
what was in that post ?
runner on November 4, 2009 at 2:34 PM
That is where you are wrong.
Putin does not tolerate aggression against Christians.
Look at Syria..all the Orthodox Churches headquarted there.
Putin has made alliances there and violence against Christians by muslims does not happen there.
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM
I have no idea what church is teaching confessor their history. It’s ashame that they teach such hate. Maybe he’s a member of Reverand Wrights church?
capejasmine on November 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Well, as I haven’t refreshed in a bit trying to read all that was being said (I’m not sure how this devolved from HRC to a religious debate, but more power to it! Love religious debates!)…:
According to the Jewish faith, the Messiah has NOT been born yet. Those who follow the Jewish faith do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but more along the lines of a prophet…but not the Son of God. Jesus Christ is the CHRISTIAN Messiah, and the Christian faith extends only from his birth. Now, Christians DO believe the same as Jews going further back in time from that point, as both religions believe in what Christians call the Old Testament. Jews (of the religion, not the race), however, do not believe the Christian New Testament is a religious text as it is all based upon blasphemy (per the Jewish faith, not my own…I am a Christian).
Highlar on November 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM
I ask again MaxCon again: Where are Christians thriving anywhere in the Arab world?
Any Christian-Arab who musters the temerity to climb up on their hind legs and howl about how unfair life is under Israeli rule, simply has no credibility within the larger Christian community.
Terp Mole on November 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Per Wikipedia: Religions: Orthodox Christian 83.9%, Muslim 9.9%, Armenian-Gregorian 3.9%, Roman Catholics 0.8%, Jews 0.1%, other 1.4% (2002 census)[6]
Now with a greater portion being Orthodox Christian, might we not conclude that when Putin ordered troops into Georgia, and some Georgian troops were killed, or drug off and tortured…might they not have been Orthodox Christians?
Putin is not a saint, and not destined for a dash board of any vehicle, anytime soon. He’s former KGB, and that makes him in some respects, a cold blooded killer.
capejasmine on November 4, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Hmmm. A.D. = Anno Domini = year of our Lord–the Christian Messiah. We’re living in 2009 A.D. last time I checked. What are doing, calculating in dog years, or something?
smellthecoffee on November 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM
That will come as a great shock to Orthodox Christians persecuted in Muslim Bosnia. Show me where Putin is pushing for the return of occupied Constantinople and the sacred Hagia Sophia (Christendom’s holiest cathedral for a millenium).
But we’re supposed to imagine Putin gives a rat’s @ss about Christian-Arabs under Palestinian control? Really? Show me the evidence… or pour yourself a nice cuppa’ STFU.
Terp Mole on November 4, 2009 at 2:51 PM
??
The jews don’t believe Jesus Christ was a prophet.
The Talmud curses Jesus Christ. The Talmud says he was a sorceror who is burning in hell in hot excrement and semen. And the Talmud also curses the Blessed Virgin Mary and says she was a whore.
You are confusing them with the muslims.
It is the Muslims who believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet and they venerate both Him and the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Both Judaism and Islam are false religions.PERIOD
Jesus Christ is the Jewish Messiah and Truly God Incarnate, thus these other religions that teach opposite teachings are false and wrong.
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Since the Turkish occupation and ethnic cleansing of Greek Cyprus began in 1974:
* at least 55 Greek Orthodox churches have been converted into mosques
* another 50 Greek Orthodox churches and monasteries have been converted into stables, stores, hostels, museums, or have been demolished
* the cemeteries of at least 25 Greek Orthodox villages have been desecrated and destroyed
* innumerable icons, religious artifacts and all kinds of archaeological treasures have been stolen and smuggled abroad
* illegal excavations and smuggling of antiquities is openly taking place all the time with the involvement of the occupying forces
* all Greek place names contrary to all historical and cultural reason were converted into Turkish ones.
Why doesn’t anyone howl about the Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus? People have been driven out of their homes, churches have been converted into mosques, and the thriving resort of Famagusta transformed into a ghost town. Nobody cares. Instead, MaxCon obsesses over the trumped-up plight of “Palestinians”– an invented nationality, committed to eradicating a sovereign state in the name of Islamo-supremacism.
VIDEO: Famagusta, The Hostage Ghost City of Europe
Terp Mole on November 4, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Constantinople is no longer Rome.
MOSCOW IS ROME.
In 1453 when the turks conquered Constantinople..Ivan the Great married the Byzantine Emporess and Moscow became the Third Rome and the center of Christendom.
Moscow Third Rome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai7Jg-m6Gss
MaximusConfessor on November 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM
So, answer the question: Why doesn’t the Christendom’s almighty Putin liberate the fugitive Orthodox Christian community of occupied Constantinople (and sacred Hagia Sophia) from the Turkish usurpers?
And why do you imagine Putin gives a rat’s @ss about Christian-Arabs in Muslim-occupied territories?
/take your Haldol
Terp Mole on November 4, 2009 at 3:10 PM
You know what, pal? You may be maximusconfessor–I can only imagine what you get up to when you’re not ladling out your ignorant bile on this site–but you’re minimuscogitor–and you know nothing about the history of Palestine, except for what you’ve learned in your madrassa.
Alright, Ed. This
is about the limit. Are we going to tolerate “false religion” posts on Hot Air?
smellthecoffee on November 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Jesus also taught, that what so ever you do to the least of my brothers…that you do unto me. Rather than spout your so called superiority where religion is concerned, maybe you should try to simplify, and practice it.
capejasmine on November 4, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Hillary was later heard asking an aid…”Now…Where am I? I’m a little confused…”
Army Brat on November 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM
I don’t quote posts that may be worth banning because of the words they contain. So, all I can tell you is that even though I love Ed, there are certain acts that I am not willing to do with him.
Loxodonta on November 4, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Idont have an iota of sympathy for the supposed palistineans
they dont have one thing that wasnt given to them
we make the payroll for the the pal. authority, we probably cloth and medicate them, they are the truest form of a welfare state otherwise known as guettos which libs are the masters of making.
whether they get what they think they want or not they indiscriminantly target people better than them out of shear hatred for themselves.
the funniest thing is that if they ever did manage to drive Israelis from their land they wouldnt get it. They would be mowed down to make way for some other thugs.
I have no sympathy or tolerance for them.
Sonosam on November 4, 2009 at 4:02 PM
More likely they would form up into criminal synicates with warlords and go at it. The fighting betw Hamas and Fatah would just be for warm-ups.
Look at what they did in Gaza. The “settlers” left them turnkey, state of the art, agricultural systems–Israel was known as “the salad bowl of Europe” mostly on the strength of high quality, low pesticide hydroponic lettuce that was being grown in Gush Katif. This was all handed over to the Pals. They threw a royal tantrum, that I hope felt really good, and destroyed all this stuff in a matter of days. They don’t have the sense to pound sand in a rathole. Their victimhood has done this to them. They used to be the best educated, most sophisticated Arabs in the whole Middle East. Along comes Edward Said to pollute the minds of the intellectuals, Arafat to corrupt the young and the militant (and woe betide any 12-16 y/o he could get his hands on), and now they have become a caricature of Alla-hu-akbarring stone-throwers–never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. If they could get it together to win the war, for sure they would lose the peace.
smellthecoffee on November 4, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Let answer you in a language you do understand: Kul kalb, bigi yumo.
Your brothers around the world are killing people indiscriminately. I love it when the inhumane pose as human rights advocate. You’re a bigoted buffoon.
Michelle Dubois on November 4, 2009 at 4:51 PM
A “57 states slip”?
Think they used to call these “Freudian slips.”
Dr. ZhivBlago on November 4, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Is she drinking on the job or just dumb as box of rocks?
Zorro on November 4, 2009 at 6:13 PM
smellthecoffee on November 4, 2009 at 4:30 PM
reminds me of the lefties who supported the supposed just reclamation of Rhodesia.
Totally acceptable to kill white farmers and drive them from their fields because they have no right to be there.
Of course not one of the liberators bothered to learn how to farm so a ” breadbasket nation ” is reduced to squallor and threatens any decency that neighbors it.
Of course ask any libtard or u.n. punk and this is just the way it should be.
lefties are the great global ghetto builders and when they dont get what they want they rile the masses and cause untold horror.
Sonosam on November 4, 2009 at 9:39 PM
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