PPP: Independents will carry GOP to victory
posted at 3:35 pm on November 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
We’ve heard a lot of handwringing in the media over the supposed “nightmare” of conservative resurgence in the GOP, but one pollster watching the 2009 races carefully says just the opposite. Public Policy Polling, which has conducted a number of surveys in New York, New Jersey, and Virginia, expects Republicans to do well tonight in all three races, but not just because of a fired-up conservative base. Instead, they point to massive defections of independents from the Democrats, which is the true “nightmare” scenario for the party in power:
In NY-23 despite the presence more or less of two Republican candidates on the ballot, Doug Hoffman is winning 71% of the GOP vote to Bill Owens’ 67% of the Democratic vote. Hoffman leads Owens 52-30 with independents.
In New Jersey Chris Christie is getting 82% of the Republican vote while Jon Corzine is at 72% of the Democratic vote. Christie leads 52-29 with independents. …
From the high levels of party unity it’s clear that Republicans voters see the path back to power will require staying on the same page. And whether it’s because the Democrats have bad candidates or they’re unhappy with President Obama, independents are giving the GOP very high levels of support. It should be the best Republican election night since George W. Bush got reelected.
While the media gasses on about the “Stalinist” GOP and their drive for ideological purity, they ignore this aspect of the 2009 elections. Independents have grown entirely disenchanted with the Democrats. On their two major domestic policy initiatives, health care and cap-and-trade, Democrats have alienated independents with a radical agenda light-years removed from their promises to provide moderate, fiscally responsible governance.
This points the way to success in 2010 for the GOP. Republicans can win big not by becoming Democratic Lite or by conducting ideological purges across a wide spectrum of issues. Instead, the GOP needs to focus on core principles to build a governing coalition with a broad reach — on limited federal government and fiscal responsibility. Those represent the best principles of conservative governance, and after watching Democrats run amuck with taxpayer money this year, will have enormous appeal to independents.
There really is only one caveat: Republican candidates running on this platform have to mean what they say. No more K Street projects, no more porkfests, no more Big Government Conservatism that grows the federal government and impoverishes the taxpayers. If given a chance to govern, Republicans have to follow through on these core principles. If they do not, they will break the back of the party — and perhaps make all the handwringing over third-party mirages a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Update (AP): Not sure when this aired, but Jim Geraghty tweeted a few minutes ago that Creigh Deeds’s spokesman told MSNBC that they’re getting their butts kicked by independents today.










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Independents deserting Democrats?
“Women and minorities hardest hit”. – The Washington Post
NoDonkey on November 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Hoffman supporter’s (poll watcher) tires slashed.
Please pass this on (Twitter, Facebook, etc..)
tetriskid on November 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM
the_nile on November 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Given that 40% of Americans identify themselves as conservatives, saying that most independents are voting for the conservative is kind of a truism.
Akzed on November 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Holy crap, I expect people runnig for office to defend teh constitution and maximize freedom for the states and the people.
WashJeff on November 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Too true…and a note to “pragmatists” who lost. It was true in 2006 and 2008 too and it’s why you lost. Bot Social issues and weed.
Rocks on November 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Things like this are the reason I refuse to have anything political on my car or lawn. Very sad. :_(
RedNewEnglander on November 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Not not Bot.
Rocks on November 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM
(cue Russian accent)
Seven Percent Solution on November 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Hmmm…
Saw these tweets on PPP
A plurality of NY-23 voters have an unfavorable opinion of Palin- in an R+14 electorate with Hoffman up by 17: http://tinyurl.com/yjhmmmd
25 minutes ago from web
53% of moderate Republicans in NY-23 have negative opinion of Palin, only 32% favorable: http://tinyurl.com/yjhmmmd
24 minutes ago from web
If Palin can’t make it in the North Country, hard to see how she can make it nationally
23 minutes ago from web
LurkerDood on November 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Tom Woods goes on Antiwar radio.
Spathi on November 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM
MESSAGE TO DEMOCRATS:
WE’LL BE BACK.
bloggless on November 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM
What are they thinking?! Didn’t they listen to what Obama said about needing to keep our tires properly inflated?
Doughboy on November 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM
I think I’ll just wait and read the book.
bloggless on November 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM
There really is only one caveat: Republican candidates running on this platform have to mean what they say. No more K Street projects, no more porkfests, no more Big Government Conservatism that grows the federal government and impoverishes the taxpayers. If given a chance to govern, Republicans have to follow through on these core principles. If they do not, they will break the back of the party — and perhaps make all the handwringing over third-party mirages a self-fulfilling prophecy.
agree _+100%. However the GOp should not RUN AWAY from core social positions either. The party of life,libert and pursuit of happiness will win just as many seats as the party of liberty and pursuit of happiness if not more.
unseen on November 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Just further justification for those who have always maintained that had a real conservative ran against Obama, we most likely would not have been subjected to the Fool in Chief.
TQM38a on November 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM
I think a lot of Independents are conservatives. I also think that Obama and Reid and Pelosi have gone so far left, that the country feels the need to pull back right.
Terrye on November 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Looks like Pookie picked the wrong week to stop smoking crack.
LibTired on November 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Lucy
Charlie Brown
Football
aquaviva on November 3, 2009 at 3:45 PM
The results should better be way beyond the margin of voter fraud…
newton on November 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Conservative principles draw in Independents? Whoda thunk it? We have to stop believing that Conservatism is extreme. Oh, and this part by Ed:
Spot on. The minute we start being democrat light, we’ll lose the “independents.”
Weight of Glory on November 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Hey lurkerdood, Sarah might be contagious. heh.
bloggless on November 3, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Oh well, if it wasn’t for her endorsement, Hoffman have gotten as far as he has or have gotten the amount of money he received. it’s that simple.
deidre on November 3, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Same here. But the fact that I cannot put a sign in my yard or my car because some democrat assho*e will trash it makes me all the more committed to getting out and voting against every democrat who runs.
Rational Thought on November 3, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Next, there will be reports are coming in of … “aborted fetuses fighting with police” … in the streets of NY-23.
The humanity .. the humanity …
J_Crater on November 3, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Ah, yes. It was, at the time, kinda nice seeing Ohio and Florida turn red on the map.
SouthernGent on November 3, 2009 at 3:47 PM
A plurality of NY-23 voters have an unfavorable opinion of Palin- in an R+14 electorate with Hoffman up by 17: http://tinyurl.com/yjhmmmd
25 minutes ago from web
53% of moderate Republicans in NY-23 have negative opinion of Palin, only 32% favorable: http://tinyurl.com/yjhmmmd
24 minutes ago from web
If Palin can’t make it in the North Country, hard to see how she can make it nationally
23 minutes ago from web
LurkerDood on November 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM
LOL….i guess they missed the surge for Hoffman when she endorsed…Nothing like trying to set the narrative. a victory for Hoffman is a major victory for Palin. It does not help Mitt or Tpaw.
Nice try.
unseen on November 3, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Still waiting for Newt Gingrich to explain the principle that nominating a conservative will drive off the independent voters…
Cicero43 on November 3, 2009 at 3:48 PM
This is all terrible news for Ogabe.
Expect Holder to re-address prosecuting CIA personnel again soon.
Must. Change. Subject.
fogw on November 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM
What if people read Sarah’s book and like it. What if they read her book and say, hmmmm…, an honest politician who uses common sense. What if they vote for her? What if she wins? heh.
bloggless on November 3, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Only one person in the GOP has ever done that … Palin.
darwin on November 3, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Big government conservatism just doesn’t compute.
fourdeucer on November 3, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Yeah, she’s nose diving. I dont see any way for her to improve on those numbers with such a short time till 2012 election.
Amadeus on November 3, 2009 at 3:51 PM
/s oh sorry, i forgot.
Amadeus on November 3, 2009 at 3:51 PM
ROFL!!! Thank you for the laugh!
capejasmine on November 3, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Yup. Don’t worry about building a big tent, build the right tent and market it correctly. People will flock to it.
rbj on November 3, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Saw this as well…. i’m sure AP will have a post on it later :).
If you follow the tweet links to the blog post, their statement at the top “Sarah Palin will not become President in 2012″
Interesting that PPP can predict that 3 years out just like Ziegler can predict Obama would be elected 3 years out.
Hoffman was going nowhere until the Palin endorsement. This was a really stupid poll on their part. PPP finds anyway necessary to poll and report bad numbers for Palin.
davek70 on November 3, 2009 at 3:53 PM
They opened their eyes and what they saw…a bunch of snake-oil salesmen.
What most sane people want:
1. Security
2. Fiscal responsibility
3. Limited government (to be left alone)
The rest is all fluff for one group, or the other.
Those 3 need to be internalized, believed, lived, and the party and those who run need to be able to convey them, clearly, to the public.
Scroom the media and all pontificators, in or out of ‘love’ with Obama, in our out of the party, or whatever nuance of it.
Also, politeley, but firmly, get in the face of all opponents.
Schadenfreude on November 3, 2009 at 3:53 PM
A plurality of NY-23 voters have an unfavorable opinion of Palin- in an R+14 electorate with Hoffman up by 17: http://tinyurl.com/yjhmmmd
25 minutes ago from web
–PPP had Hoffman up by 17 when Siena had him up by 5. I’m skeptical about PPP’s predictions.
Jimbo3 on November 3, 2009 at 3:54 PM
If hoffman wins he will need to thank Palin. She is the reason all the other politicians started endorsing him. Someone as conservative as Palin will NEVER be loved in New York anyways. I highly doubt that poll though. She drow 30,000 plus in northern new york over the summer.
ousoonerfan15 on November 3, 2009 at 3:55 PM
The first step would be to sell off the car companies, banks, wall street firms and anything else Obama got his greasy hands on…
… and tell the unions to choke on it.
Seven Percent Solution on November 3, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Some more good news. Christie just mentioned on Hannity that he’s got over 300 lawyers and poll watchers out there.
They’re in every county courthouse, and in every precinct where fraud or problems would be likely.
They’re also watching the mail-in ballots like a hawk in every court house.
TXUS on November 3, 2009 at 3:57 PM
The die is cast. This vote is going to be epic and I look forward to some victory beer tonight. I cast my vote for the McDonnel/Cuccinelli/Bolling trifecta and it looks as if they’re going to hand Creigh Deeds et al. his head.
DO YOU HEAR US NOW???
ted c on November 3, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Given what things are today, tell the UAW that GM and Chrysler are theirs in exchange for NO pension guarantee. Have fun suckas!
WashJeff on November 3, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Chuckle. Stalin is in the White House. Where do you expect independents to go?
percysunshine on November 3, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Schadenfreude on November 3, 2009 at 4:01 PM
I thought the moderates said that conservatism can’t appeal to independents?
Newt, what is it you said about “big tent?”
cubachi on November 3, 2009 at 4:03 PM
It’s the kind of people they are. Never forget that and what we’re up against.
NoDonkey on November 3, 2009 at 4:04 PM
I have 20 magnetic stickers on the tail gate of my one ton dually. All of them acquired at wnd.com and each is as conservative or critical of the adminstration as they can be.
Took my wife to Whole Foods last week where I expected a certain degree of confrontation. Parked with the tailgate pointing at the front door and had six, seperate and distinctly different episodes with people actually coming up to my window as I waited for my wife. All of them thanked me for having the courage to display sentiments that they wished they had the courage to display. One woman with her three kids prayed for me.
A college kid got in to the car next to me and I noticed that he had a copy of the “Unseen Hand” in his lap – he said he was loving the read.
All of this, and the other encounters I have had as a result of the stickers (not one of them negative) has left me with the strong sense that momentum is building and average individuals appreciate knowing that they are not alone.
oldfiveanddimer on November 3, 2009 at 4:06 PM
And Zero’s people are out there saying this is not a referendum on him- BS! The indies are the key to races, these elections will speak volumes about what Americans really think and what they really want. In a way I’m glad Zero won last year- we are finally proving just how bad big government is.
theenforser on November 3, 2009 at 4:07 PM
If that makes them sleep better at night..
the_nile on November 3, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Independents: “One year too late, we got religion. It’s time to halt the hard-left nonsense.”
BuckeyeSam on November 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Newt Gingrich is currently otherwise disposed as he is having cosmetic surgery and legally changing his name.
MB4 on November 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM
This is the same poll releaed a few days ago with Palin’s F/UF at 43/44. That is the bottom line. And we are 3 years from the 2012 election. C’mon PPP get serious.
technopeasant on November 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM
So, how long will it take the MSM to call all three races for the Democrats? Two minutes or five?
Kafir on November 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM
If things go as I hope, with wins in VA, NY, and NJ, a drink or two from a bottle of Crown Royal Cask No 16 will be joyously consumed, with a fine cigar, of course.
I haven’t treated myself to such abundance since the night the fight ended over the 2000 Bush/Gore election.
TXUS on November 3, 2009 at 4:15 PM
I don’t think Hoffman totally embraces Palin.
A few days ago I went to his site, at the bottom he has a picture of Thompson endorsing him, no mention of Palin.
Then at the right he lists all his endorsements and guess where Palin’s name shows up? In the middle of the list!!!!!
LurkerDood on November 3, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Hey Independents,
JOIN US or DIE.
We got room in our big tent now that RINOS have been evicted for takin up space. Come on over, we got an open Bar.
Geochelone on November 3, 2009 at 4:15 PM
AAAAA-MEN!
Taxpayers don’t like their hard-earned money given to lobbyists or special interests, be they labor unions (who favor Democrats) or big business (who favor Republicans). Independent voters will trust whoever spends their money the most wisely and frugally.
The best thing that Government can do for the economy is to make regulations that ensure fair competition, then get out of the way.
Governing requires different skills than campaigning. Republicans lost the 2006 and 2008 elections because they didn’t practice what they preached, didn’t communicate with the electorate and with each other, bungled the Katrina rescue, gave an impression of incompetence and corruption, and tried to jam extremely complicated “comprehensive” proposals through a recalcitrant Congress.
Obama is now doing the same thing on the Left, and Democrats will probably get punished for it.
Governing does NOT mean putting together a huge and complicated plan and telling Congress to take it or leave it. It means listening to what voters really want, and working with Congress to find a plan that a majority can support, based on time-tested principles, with a combination of gentle arm-twisting and negotiation.
It’s time for Republicans to come up with a coherent conservative platform, run on it, then do what they say if elected.
Steve Z on November 3, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Folks if it does not matter how Palin polls in NY State.
Here’s how Palin will become POTUS in 2012:
1)Secure the Deep South and win back Florida and NC
2)Win back Ohio and Indiana (the latter is traditionally a GOP state)
3)Keep the mid-west solid GOP
4)Win back Nevada, NM and Colorado
If Sarah did this she would become POTUS in 2012, no matter how NY or California votes.
technopeasant on November 3, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Dude. Get over it. Palin ain’t winning in 2012. I doubt she even runs.
lorien1973 on November 3, 2009 at 4:19 PM
But they insist it’s right down the middle.
John the Libertarian on November 3, 2009 at 4:20 PM
People don’t like to be lied to, imagine that.
echosyst on November 3, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Why is PPP polling Sarah’s favorables today of all days? Is she running for something?
NoLeftTurn on November 3, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Damn those extremist Independents!
Dusty on November 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Brilliant analysis. Guess who’s below Palin. Michelle Bachmann, Pawlenty, Jim DeMint, the American Conservative Party, and just about every member of the House who has endorsed him. I guess he doesn’t really care for any of them either.
Erich66 on November 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Every time Dede opens her pie hole the Rinos cringe.
I hope she keeps yakin it up like a bleating Donk and stays in the spot light. The pink blob is hard to miss but not so easy on the eyes.
Geochelone on November 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM
It’s a revolution! Can U Hear Us Now? Cool video.. MR NOBEL
deedtrader on November 3, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Gosh. It’s not 2012 yet.
Just be happy that Palin is supporting the right conservative candidates for now.
In 2012, you’ll decide on your own. Don’t read the polls. Use your head. Don’t just rely on popular opinions. Validate and analyze.
TheAlamos on November 3, 2009 at 4:28 PM
My point exactly. PPP is a wing of the MSM and establishment, they have to find every little excuse to put a negative on Palin. Who cares how she is polling in 2009.
Never say never (or ain’t).
davek70 on November 3, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Palin’s the biggest name so why is she in the middle of the list? If she endorsed me, she would be 1st on the list plus a picture endorsement like he has for Thompson.
LurkerDood on November 3, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Thompson is Palin. Palin is Thompson’s political child. Don’t you get it?
TheAlamos on November 3, 2009 at 4:30 PM
From your lips (well, keyboard) to the RNC’s ears.
Wait, why is the song “When You Wish Upon a Star” echoing in my head?
MississippiMom on November 3, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Because Thompson was the first big name to back him. Did it ever dawn on you that the list might be ordered in terms on chronology? That’s pretty much how it appears. And look at the press releases on his page. Just glancing, Palin’s name appears at least twice. Yep, he’s really bothered by her endorsement.
Erich66 on November 3, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Sarah Baby Sarah!
joedoe on November 3, 2009 at 4:46 PM
People in both parties and in the media aren’t grasping what this tea party movement is. It’s not a movement of the hard or evangelical right. Its not a movement of white supremists.
Its a movement of the Independents – the people who are fed up with both parties. The economy is bad, Washington is ignoring it to feed us expensive healthcare and environmental policies, and the silent majority of Independent voters is responding.
Republicans can try to ride the movement’s coattails, but we will just as soon dump them as we do the Democrats if they don’t follow the doctrine being laid out – less taxes, less spending, less corruption. That is what this movement is about, and its something both parties should be afraid of IMO.
tflst5 on November 3, 2009 at 4:47 PM
lol, I love that Doug Hoffman picture. That is the face of modern Conservative at the moment…and I’m completely cool with it!
Daemonocracy on November 3, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Independents have been embarrassed by voting for Obama. This is their personal redemption.
Jeff from WI on November 3, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Republican platform in 2010:
Less Government, More Freedom!
I also don’t think they’d drive anyone away by promising to cut government jobs….just like we’ve had to do in the private sector.
Americans everywhere are tightening their belts, pinching pennies. It’s time government gets in on that act. (Oh, and unlike Obama, don’t spend the savings on new programs!)
Now THAT is a winning formula.
jeanneb on November 3, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I forgot to mention. A photographer catched the tail of Doug’s car with Palin sticker on it (MCain’s name removed).
If that’s not proof enough.
TheAlamos on November 3, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Plus…. UNITE for 2010. May be the best FIGHTING conservative man or woman wins.
TheAlamos on November 3, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Once again: If you want to know what they’re doing, just listen to their accusations against their enemies.
Jim Treacher on November 3, 2009 at 4:57 PM
That’s the constant prayer of the DNC (whatever it is they pray to).
ddrintn on November 3, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Independents are attracted by honest leaders with conviction. True conservatives attract independents to the GOP because true conservatives are honest and straight-forward about their intentions. People like to know what they’re getting, even if they don’t agree with all of it. At least they understand the product. Moderates don’t attract independents, because moderates don’t really stand for anything (other than what is cool, today) and independents would rather walk in circles themselves, than be attracted to a leader walking around in circles, mumbling to himself.
progressoverpeace on November 3, 2009 at 5:01 PM
I love this site, which is why I will not mince words on this point. This Ogabe crap will leave a stain.
Hear me now. Believe me later. ::handclap::
The Race Card on November 3, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Changing his name and look to what??? Sarah Palin!
kcarpenter on November 3, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Grow Fins on November 3, 2009 at 5:49 PM
oops. This was posted already in another thread. sorry.
Grow Fins on November 3, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Yep, I went to the store this am, and got me some Sam Adams–thought it would be appropriate for tonight’s victory celebration!
lovingmyUSA on November 3, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Independents darn nearly voted McCain in. It’s certainly not surprising that they are “disillusioned.” They were not enthused about voting for Obama anyway.
AnninCA on November 3, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Hmmm…
Doug Hoffman was dead last in the polls and cash strapped. In less than a day after Sarah endorsed the guy money was pouring in and the very next poll he was Teh Won.
Are you gonna believe a poll, or your lying eyes?
PPP is a democrat friendly firm, if you know what I mean. You can bet they’ll try and downplay Sarah any way they can.
Oh, for everyone who is worried that Hoffman hasn’t give the ‘Cuda her due, he was on Beck the other day and said he was both surprised and honored that Sarah Palin endorsed him.
Look let’s be serious though, Sarah Palin is the one that made Hoffman’s victory a reality, BUT it was Teh Fred, and Jeri Thompson who REALLY did the heavy lifting. They are on the ground up there, and sort of shepherding Hoffman through all of this.
Those two absolutely deserve big billing.
Look for a great video when it’s official that Doug has won this deal….
gary4205 on November 3, 2009 at 7:18 PM