Open thread: NY-23; Update: Fox News calls it for Owens; Update: Hoffman concedes
posted at 8:52 pm on November 3, 2009 by Allahpundit
Here we go. Could be a 10-point win for Owens, could be a 10-point win for Hoffman. InTrade is betting heavily on the conservative.
The Watertown Daily Times will be updating as results come in, but you’re advised to check Newzjunky too. They’ve been all over the Hoffman saga since day one.
I don’t want to raise expectations too much, but if DH pulls this off and Christie squeaks through in New Jersey, we’re getting a humpbot cameo tonight. For the first time in a long, long time.
Update: The WDT results page is loading slowly. Try this one instead.
Update: Results are coming in very slowly but apparently exit polls had Hoffman by three, 50/47.
Update: With more than 10 percent of the vote in, Hoffman’s … down by seven. According to Marc Ambinder, Republicans in the district are very nervous. We’re not actually going to get a Christie upset and a Hoffman defeat, are we?
Update: Gingrich is writing his jeremiad about third-party challenges as we speak. From Dave Weigel:
WHOA – Hoffman splitting Madison County, where he was leading 2-1 in Siena Poll. Getting ready to say “Congressman Bill Owens.”
Update: A much-needed shot of hope from Erick Erickson: “Just talked to ppl close to Hoffman. They think he’s won. Owens votes in. Their sampling tracks with what we’re seeing.”
Update: At least one Hoffman supporter thinks it’s over.
Update: Hope and change — Hoffman narrowing the gap?
The Plattsburgh attorney has 57,050 votes compared to Conservative Doug Hoffman, a Lake Placid CPA, with 54,538 votes…
There are more than 10,000 absentee votes to still be counted…
Owens is maintaining a 48 percent to 46 percent lead.
Update: Chuck Todd notes that there may not be a call in this race tonight given that the absentee ballots won’t be counted until tomorrow. Fair enough, but if Hoffman’s still behind by three or four thousand votes at evening’s end, how likely is it that he’s going to make up the difference by winning 75 percent of those ballots?
Update: FNC has called it for the Democrat. Points to take away from the loss: (1) PPP’s last poll was way, waaaay off; (2) Scozzafava’s endorsement must have had some impact on her supporters, as it erased the five-point lead Hoffman held in the last Siena poll after she dropped out; (3) third-party challenges, while sometimes warranted, are a very risky proposition (attention Glenn Beck!); (4) the win in New Jersey, where The One staked his own political capital in campaigning for Corzine, was huge compared to the loss here; and (5) as I said over the weekend, the actual result of this race is unimportant. The point in torpedoing Scozzafava and swinging the GOP behind Hoffman was to send a message to the Republican leadership that only fiscal conservatives will be tolerated henceforth, and that message has been sent even with Owens winning a squeaker. The loss is disappointing but it’s a detail on an otherwise great night.
So great, in fact, that it deserves something special. This special.
Update: He’s not going to make up the difference in absentees, especially since many of them were sent in when Scozzafava was still in the race. So the time has come.









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With only 6/606 precincts, Owens – 51%, Hoffman – 45%.
mbs on November 3, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Hard to believe it’s been a year since Barry was elected. Seems a lot longer.
Christien on November 3, 2009 at 9:44 PM
ACORN HQ making urgent call to Hamid Karzai asking for advise.
MB4 on November 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM
I’m not watching until 4.2% of the vote has been counted.
Bishop on November 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM
“In fact, a GOP sweep tonight may work against us.”
No, that it won’t.
notropis on November 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Votes are in from 5 counties and Owens is up 54 to 42. I know that it under 5% of the total votes in, but this is starting to look bad.
HeroesforGhosts on November 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Just so you have something to measure by, the 2008 race had over 200,000 votes. If you’re following on the Watertown Daily page, Oswego, Madison, Jefferson and Clinton are the major counties.
Dusty on November 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM
53% Owens
45% Hoffman
4% in
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM
51% Owens
46% Hoffman
4% in
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM
BTW, is anyone watching coverage on MSNBC? Please tell me Matthews got hammered and is singing “The Thrill is Gone”
RightWinged on November 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Oh right, I have BEER in the fridge! Why didn’t I think of that?
*runs to crack one open, tries to forget how corrupt NY politics are*
Animator Girl on November 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM
What about the 4% for De de de…?
Jeff2161 on November 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM
gary4205 on November 3, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Clyde5445 on November 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM
I disagree. I think wins tonight, 1, 2 or 3, will energize the conservatives and provide proof that we can in fact stop Obama. I think people will work just as hard if not harder to win big in 2010.
DerKrieger on November 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM
54% Owens
42% Hoffman
8% in
Not counting Scuzzy.
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Can anyone compare this to what the Republican got last time in the precincts that have reported? That would tell us if Hoffman is actually ahead of the game or not despite the numbers.
aikidoka on November 3, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Time flies when you getting screwed, before you know it the sun comes up and you have to make that “walk of shame”. The sun is starting to come up on the democratic party.
milwife88 on November 3, 2009 at 9:47 PM
2,000 votes total so far. Let’s be patient.
jhffmn on November 3, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Pretty confident that Hoffman wins this. Almost every pundit is leaning toward Hoffman – they’ve seen the exit polling. His intrade is still high.
HondaV65 on November 3, 2009 at 9:47 PM
According to Erick Erickson’s tweets, the Hill is reporting it’s Hoffman.
http://twitter.com/ewerickson
piglet on November 3, 2009 at 9:47 PM
53% Owens
42% Hoffman
8% in
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Enema results :
First puddle out = McCain
followed by his arm-candy Lindsey
Purge results :
Snowey and Collins
macncheez on November 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Where did her 52 votes go?
Jeff2161 on November 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Lol to both of these.
BadgerHawk on November 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM
At this point, that’s all you need to know. It’s waaaaaaay to early.
YYZ on November 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM
There is good take away from these early numbers.
Clinton County is going 58% for Owens. They went 60% for Obama. No big suprise there.
Madison County is going 56% for Hoffman. They went 48% for Mccain, 49% for Obama.
We should be watching Madison county to look at wider district trends.
Vera on November 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Don’t worry, this is just the beginning.
Tomorrow I am attending a organized protest against my Dem Congressman. Thousands is expexted to attend, and live in a small town.
Norwegian on November 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Humpbot… I love the Humpbot! Go Hoffman! Go Christie!
CliffHanger on November 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM
http://twitter.com/ewerickson
Hill is reporting race to Hoffman
gophergirl on November 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Its probably an issue of which region is reporting first.
Count to 10 on November 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Dede’s total votes are dropping? WTF…
Jeff2161 on November 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM
8% in, Hoffman behind by 11%.
MB4 on November 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Dude, that’s some seriously vintage private-reserve crazy right there.
sulla on November 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM
50% to 44% in NJ christie leads with 60% precincts reporting
http://elections.nj.com/dynamic/files/elections/2009/by_state/NJ_Governor_1103.html?SITE=NJNEWELN&SECTION=POLITICS
unseen on November 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM
52% Owens
44% Hoffman
9% in
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Where? I checked the Hill and I can’t find it.
HeroesforGhosts on November 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Madcow is talking to Al Gore
macncheez on November 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Wow, a Children of the Corn reunion! Send my best to Malachi!
simplesimon on November 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM
While also hopefully putting the fear into Republican “elites” such as Gingrich and Steele.
The GOP needs someone to pin them against a wall and tell them to start fielding conservative candidates or the game is over.
Bishop on November 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Seems like a decade doesn’t it?
jimmy2shoes on November 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Jeff2161 on November 3, 2009 at 9:50 PM
51% Owens
44% Hoffman
10% in
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Yeah, I think someone misread something. There is nothing I can see that says anything about Hoffman winning.
bucsox79 on November 3, 2009 at 9:51 PM
It’s a pretty close race for New York Mayor too.
SoulGlo on November 3, 2009 at 9:51 PM
49% Owens
46% Hoffman
12% in
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Bill Owens(Dem) 5194
Dede Scozzafava(GOP) 407
D. Hoffman(Con) 4127
Brat4life on November 3, 2009 at 9:51 PM
But NY-23 is the biggie (even though it’s technically quite small).
The NJ election was all about Corzine (Obama’s still popular there). And Virginia has been a foregone conclusion for weeks, so while it’s good news, it’s not a surprise.
YYZ on November 3, 2009 at 9:51 PM
50% Owens
45% Hoffman
13% in
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Sure looks to me like Owens wins.
ORconservative on November 3, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Virginia and New Jersey are in the BAG!!
Just gotta get Hoffman over the finish line. He’s behind but I have to believe the exits have him winning – I don’t know of anyone who’s calling the race for Owens but plenty going with Hoffman.
HondaV65 on November 3, 2009 at 9:52 PM
And then some…
Christien on November 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM
When she first started the crazy talk, I thought she was joking! Now I can’t stop responding to her. It’s like watching a train wreck.
csdeven on November 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM
I wish I was that optimistic. It all still comes back to $105 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities for me though. I don’t know what we’re going to do about that. We need a POTUS and strong majority in the capital who reject global warming BS and start drilling like crazy all over the country and offshore and stop importing. In fact we have so much we could be exporting. We need to reform all of these ridiculously broke social programs, not add to them. I just don’t see that ever happening.
RightWinged on November 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Jeff2161 on November 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Clinton, Franlin, and Jefferson all have Owens ahead. I am not sure if these are blue counties or not.
Brat4life on November 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM
It’s Malachai.
If you’re going to reference movies, please get it right.
Bishop on November 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM
I’ll be in DC on Thursday for the House Call protest with Michelle Bachman.
Knucklehead on November 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Here is the story from The Hill.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/66001-hoffman-ahead-as-wacky-race-in-ny-23-reaches-finish-line-
milwife88 on November 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Owens will win. And of course conservatives will be blamed, ignoring the fact that Scozzafava had to drop out because she couldn’t even carry the majority of her party much less the 23rd district.
Oh well. Maybe the NRCC will learn not to piss off conservatives with their liberal endorsements. Nah, they’ll blame conservatives and endorse even more liberally next time.
amerpundit on November 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM
I just don’t see that ever happening.
RightWinged on November 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Oh you of little faith
unseen on November 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Humpbot!
Humpbot!
Humpbot!
Humpbot!
Humpbot!
Humpbot!
Monica on November 3, 2009 at 9:55 PM
WTF NY-23? You’d better all be clustered in a few counties that went 99% for Hoffman, because otherwise we might think you didn’t vote or something.
Animator Girl on November 3, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Humpbot kicks the obots asses
William Amos on November 3, 2009 at 9:55 PM
In my experience, the spiral will increase in breadth and intensity. Have fun poking the monkey!
sulla on November 3, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Simon, you slay me. Really. That was funny.
bloggless on November 3, 2009 at 9:55 PM
milwife88 on November 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM
that was posted 12 + hours ago.
ted c on November 3, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Had Newt, Steele, etal not gotten in there and endorsed that RINO, Hoffman may have ran away with this. Those jackasses need to straighten up and fly right.
Oink on November 3, 2009 at 9:55 PM
51% Owens
44% Hoffman
15% in
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Only 15% of the votes in. Hoffman will win!
AnthonyK on November 3, 2009 at 9:56 PM
It looks like Franklin and Jefferson counties also broke for Obama last year.
Vera on November 3, 2009 at 9:56 PM
That’s from 6 AM this morning. Hopefully the results will bear that out though.
HeroesforGhosts on November 3, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Owens strength: Clinton/Essex/Franklin/
Fulton/Hamilton
Hoffmans strength: Madison/Oneida/
Oswego
for instance, clinton county is blue anyway… and its already deep in reporting
HOFFMAN BABY HOFFMAN
battleoflepanto1571 on November 3, 2009 at 9:57 PM
73 of 606 precincts in
Bill Owens(Dem) 8697
Dede Scozzafava(GOP) 938
D. Hoffman(Con) 8052
Who would vote for scuzzy?
Brat4life on November 3, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Hoffman is going to win this.
elduende on November 3, 2009 at 9:57 PM
There is just something hilarious about seeing that attributed to someone with a female name.
Count to 10 on November 3, 2009 at 9:57 PM
If Hoffman loses and Christie wins that will be a bigger story than we had yesterday. The odds are reversed but that is why this is so much damn fun…!!! :)
AnthonyK on November 3, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Hoffman had about three days to run a campaign once he knew who he was actually running against. If it’s close, he kicked ass.
Ronnie on November 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Just helping out those who didn’t see 12+ hours ago. Lighten up.
milwife88 on November 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Is Hoffman still behind?
changer1701 on November 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Has anyone heard about absentee ballots? The major portion would show up in Jefferson County. That’s where Ft Drum is.
Dusty on November 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I don’t know about that.
newton on November 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Anyone know the demographic breakdown in NY-23? Income, education, commuter? By county? Links, please. Thanks.
Animator Girl on November 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Jeff2161 on November 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM
51% Owens
44% Hoffman
17% in
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Normally I would say someone who hasn’t been paying attention and just checked the box of the person with the (R), but this is a special election, so…
Count to 10 on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
That article was posted at 6am this morning. I’m pretty sure that was before the polls closed.
YYZ on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Sure looks to me like Owens wins.
ORconservative on November 3, 2009 at 9:52 PM
ORconservative: Have Ye Faith!:)
canopfor on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
sorry milwife–
ted c on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
51% Owens
43% Hoffman
18% in
Gosh, I don’t think anyone ever foresaw a Christie win and a Hoffman loss.
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
And I’m chuckling at this.
The internet has changed the English language forever.
notropis on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
RedState says Hoffman is looking good.
artist on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
This is stupid, I’m on pins and needles. If Hoffman doesn’t pull even by 33%, he’s done.
Apologetic California on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
The love affair is over. Obama’s just a skinny socialist and America rejects his policies.
http://twitter.com/ewerickson
lovingmyUSA on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Who are the freaking idiots voting for Dede. They should be polled to find out what planet they came from and if they are related to the Lizard People!
AnthonyK on November 3, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Votes from 9 of 11 counties are in and Owens is up 57-37. I hate to say it, bu I think this one is over.
HeroesforGhosts on November 3, 2009 at 10:00 PM
hoffmans holding steady at 68% on intrade
Chiasmos on November 3, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Jeff2161 on November 3, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Makes the MSM narrative easier tomorrow:
“Sarah Palin: Biggest loser!!!”
notropis on November 3, 2009 at 10:00 PM
77 of 606 precincts in
Bill Owens(Dem) 9342
Dede Scozzafava(GOP) 968
D. Hoffman(Con) 8457
Brat4life on November 3, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Hoffman is screws. Oh goodness!!! I wish it were different.
deidre on November 3, 2009 at 10:01 PM
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