Open thread: NY-23; Update: Fox News calls it for Owens; Update: Hoffman concedes

posted at 8:52 pm on November 3, 2009 by Allahpundit

Here we go. Could be a 10-point win for Owens, could be a 10-point win for Hoffman. InTrade is betting heavily on the conservative.

The Watertown Daily Times will be updating as results come in, but you’re advised to check Newzjunky too. They’ve been all over the Hoffman saga since day one.

I don’t want to raise expectations too much, but if DH pulls this off and Christie squeaks through in New Jersey, we’re getting a humpbot cameo tonight. For the first time in a long, long time.

Update: The WDT results page is loading slowly. Try this one instead.

Update: Results are coming in very slowly but apparently exit polls had Hoffman by three, 50/47.

Update: With more than 10 percent of the vote in, Hoffman’s … down by seven. According to Marc Ambinder, Republicans in the district are very nervous. We’re not actually going to get a Christie upset and a Hoffman defeat, are we?

Update: Gingrich is writing his jeremiad about third-party challenges as we speak. From Dave Weigel:

WHOA – Hoffman splitting Madison County, where he was leading 2-1 in Siena Poll. Getting ready to say “Congressman Bill Owens.”

Update: A much-needed shot of hope from Erick Erickson: “Just talked to ppl close to Hoffman. They think he’s won. Owens votes in. Their sampling tracks with what we’re seeing.”

Update: At least one Hoffman supporter thinks it’s over.

Update: Hope and change — Hoffman narrowing the gap?

The Plattsburgh attorney has 57,050 votes compared to Conservative Doug Hoffman, a Lake Placid CPA, with 54,538 votes…

There are more than 10,000 absentee votes to still be counted…

Owens is maintaining a 48 percent to 46 percent lead.

Update: Chuck Todd notes that there may not be a call in this race tonight given that the absentee ballots won’t be counted until tomorrow. Fair enough, but if Hoffman’s still behind by three or four thousand votes at evening’s end, how likely is it that he’s going to make up the difference by winning 75 percent of those ballots?

Update: FNC has called it for the Democrat. Points to take away from the loss: (1) PPP’s last poll was way, waaaay off; (2) Scozzafava’s endorsement must have had some impact on her supporters, as it erased the five-point lead Hoffman held in the last Siena poll after she dropped out; (3) third-party challenges, while sometimes warranted, are a very risky proposition (attention Glenn Beck!); (4) the win in New Jersey, where The One staked his own political capital in campaigning for Corzine, was huge compared to the loss here; and (5) as I said over the weekend, the actual result of this race is unimportant. The point in torpedoing Scozzafava and swinging the GOP behind Hoffman was to send a message to the Republican leadership that only fiscal conservatives will be tolerated henceforth, and that message has been sent even with Owens winning a squeaker. The loss is disappointing but it’s a detail on an otherwise great night.

So great, in fact, that it deserves something special. This special.

Update: He’s not going to make up the difference in absentees, especially since many of them were sent in when Scozzafava was still in the race. So the time has come.


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“Sarah Palin revolted”? She wasn’t anywhere to be heard or found until the end of this race.

Yes, when she endorsed the conservative candidate and made the moderate a loser and promptly turned NY-23 blue.

Go FY

Jaibones on November 4, 2009 at 7:16 AM

Peace be with you.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:21 AM

Had Scozzafava stayed in the race and won, Republicans would have lost in the long run- she was bound to change parties. And she supported Card Check!

As disappointing as Hoffman’s loss is, the point, at least to me, is that the most liberal candidate of all, who had an R next to her name, didn’t win. That means something.

And Corzine got his a$$ handed to him, which is delicious. And I met humpbot.

Monica on November 4, 2009 at 7:23 AM

canopfor on November 4, 2009 at 7:12 AM
We ask for Zombie Reagan and they give us Zombie Voters.

- The Cat

MirCat on November 4, 2009 at 7:13 AM

MirCat: Thats,Hopey/Changey do-gooder,bleeding heart,
Extreme LeftWing Socialist ObamaVoterBots!!!!

(I kid:)

canopfor on November 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM

LESSON LEARNED!

NO MORE RINO’S!!!!

SDarchitect on November 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM

LESSON LEARNED!

NO MORE RINO’S!!!!

SDarchitect on November 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM

You did not learn the lesson.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:25 AM

Allahpundit, I thought your closing remarks re. the Hoffman race were very gracious and actually encouraging (not a trace of Eeyore). Thanks for that perspective–because we all know the only race the msm will focus on is Owens/Hoffman, and it will be ALL Palin’s/Beck’s/Rush’s/your bosses’/wacko-small-tent conservative’s fault that Hoffman lost.

varnson on November 4, 2009 at 7:26 AM

Thank God I’m not posting in the nude like AP always does. I wish Michelle would do something about that. It’s just so disturbing. I mean, just think about it. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Loxodonta on November 4, 2009 at 6:08 AM

I don’t know Lox….you put up a link once that showed you in all of your greyness and your adorable trunk.

yoda on November 4, 2009 at 7:27 AM

That’s right. Pointing out that something is bad for Sarah Palin makes one a troll. Nothing can ever be bad, if Sarah Palin is involved. She’s been nothing but successes ever since she got involved the failed Hoffman campaign No. Wait. Ever since she resigned from her job 2 years early Oh wait, no, it’s ever since she got into a public feud with David Letterman or wait! Maybe it’s she since got into a public feud with her daughter’s babydaddy No. It was probably when she was involved in the failed McCain campaign Oh I give up.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:19 AM

You’re a funny troll too.

exsanguine on November 4, 2009 at 7:27 AM

canopfor on November 4, 2009 at 7:12 AM
We ask for Zombie Reagan and they give us Zombie Voters.

- The Cat

MirCat on November 4, 2009 at 7:13 AM

MirCat: Speaking of zombies!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4

canopfor on November 4, 2009 at 7:27 AM

Hear that RNC?

NO MORE RINOS

ted c on November 4, 2009 at 7:29 AM

Hear that RNC?

NO MORE RINOS

ted c on November 4, 2009 at 7:29 AM

Hear that, RNC? This guy would prefer you have moral victories instead of actual ones. Maybe you should listen to people like me, who actually would rather win elections instead of come in second and then feel good about myself for trying real hard.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:31 AM

You did not learn the lesson.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:25 AM

What are the odds that the local GOP will pick a candidate that is not Socially and/or Fiscally Conservative for the NY23 2010?

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 7:32 AM

Why do some want to make everything about Palin? She did not lose this race for Hoffman. She helped give him a snow ball’s chance.

joedoe on November 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM

Hear that, RNC? This guy would prefer you have moral victories instead of actual ones. Maybe you should listen to people like me, who actually would rather win elections instead of come in second and then feel good about myself for trying real hard.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:31 AM

whats the difference between ‘people like you’ and the democrats again??

zero, zip, nada.

you’re a socialist, just like the dems are…with quislings like you, who needs enemies?

right4life on November 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM

Hoffmann losing is actually good news, as I have pointed out. It takes the wind out of the sails of those most likely to lead conservatives into tactical mistakes in 2010.

0bama can’t go to reluctant Blue Dogs now and say, “Look at NY-23, they got away with it there, so they’ll try to get the GOP to nominate someone too conservative for your district or run a third-party candidate against them in 2010. They won’t be able to get away with demanding an unelectable candidate or going third-party in your district. You can get away with voting for my plans, now.”

Sekhmet on November 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM

Would any Republican really be happier this morning if Scuzzyface had won? Geez, if it walks like a Democrat, quacks like a Democrat and votes like a Democrat…. it’s a damn Democrat!

joedoe on November 4, 2009 at 7:35 AM

Proud Rino, the Local GOP will choose someone that Conservatives will be able to vote for in 2010, thats the reality.
Scuzzafava was a terrible Candidate and to the left of Owens.

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 7:36 AM

Heh. Guess I have to stick around now, huh?

Grow Fins on November 4, 2009 at 7:38 AM

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:31 AM

For God’s sake, Arlen, shut up.

Doorgunner on November 4, 2009 at 7:39 AM

Mcdonnel and cristie ran as Fiscal Cons. They had the backing of the conservatives. Neither ran as a social con. Conservatives still fell in line. Their are 2 litmas tests, A candidate has to pass at least one for the majority of Conservatives to be able to support.

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 7:40 AM

No, it’s a disaster. This was the first race she had gotten involved in where she wasn’t a candidate, she went to a reliably conservative area, and her candidate of choice lost.

Think anyone will be wanting her anywhere near them in a swing state anytime soon?

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:13 AM

Well, I’m a Sarah supporter and I’m happy. If I were to run for something I’d love her to come down and campaign for me. So there, I just proved your little theory wrong.
The disaster was caused by RINO’s like you! Sarah shined the light on the Scozzafava RINO sham and when the light got turned on, the rats ran to their own kind!
What the results of this election proved is that Hoffman could have won this but the stinking RINO’s blew it! The people were for Hoffman! The RINO’s supported another RINO and by doing so screwed over the people! Thus, we are where we are! Same old story! Same old result!

JellyToast on November 4, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Despite what I have written I agree with Ben Stein. On Larry King he called Scozzafava despicable for turning traitor and what she did was unprecedented.

technopeasant on November 4, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Heh. Guess I have to stick around now, huh?
Grow Fins on November 4, 2009 at 7:38 AM

As if you wouldn’t have come back with a pseudonym.

Bishop on November 4, 2009 at 7:41 AM

The problem in this election aside from the local party bosses is that the only difference between Scozzafava and Owens is the letter behind their name.

We must also remember the “ACORN affect.” Throw out the zombie vote, and it was probably Hoffman by 4%.

darktood on November 4, 2009 at 7:41 AM

Think anyone will be wanting her anywhere near them in a swing state anytime soon?

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:13 AM

$116,000.00 in 12 hrs. YES

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 7:42 AM

he RINO’s supported another RINO and by doing so screwed over the people! Thus, we are where we are! Same old story! Same old result!

JellyToast on November 4, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Yeah! How dare those people vote for their preferred candidate? What right do they have?

If I were to run for something I’d love her to come down and campaign for me. So there, I just proved your little theory wrong.

My comments were in reference to people that actually like to win things.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:42 AM

Heh. Guess I have to stick around now, huh?

Grow Fins on November 4, 2009 at 7:38 AM

Oh, yeah… like you had a job or something to go to. Open another bag of Cheetos, Bong Warrior, but try to be quiet ’til Mom goes to work.

Doorgunner on November 4, 2009 at 7:42 AM

Why do some want to make everything about Palin? She did not lose this race for Hoffman. She helped give him a snow ball’s chance.

joedoe on November 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM

Agreed. Owens squeaked out a win running against a candidate no one had heard of a month ago and who had 1/10th the campaign funds. Speaks more to her clout than failure. But, we all know how Hoffman’s loss will be spun.
Pffft.

redslippers on November 4, 2009 at 7:43 AM

So,the Democrats who went to the polls to vote Obama in,
sat out this election,and the African American vote was
down about five points,if I heard correctly,after a recon
mission over to channel CNN from one of their Liberal so
-called analysts last night!!!

canopfor on November 4, 2009 at 7:43 AM

Why do some want to make everything about Palin? She did not lose this race for Hoffman. She helped give him a snow ball’s chance.

joedoe on November 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM

I don’t think anyone claims she lost the race for Hoffman. She did, however, lose the race for the Republican Party.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:45 AM

Scuzzybuffalobutt was chosen back in April or May when 0bama’s numbers were a whole lot better than they are right now. The September back-room meetings were just a formality. The local GOP wanted to have someone ready to go for when the special election was finally called by the governor. And that meant picking someone back in April or May when they knew a replacement for the previous Congressman was needed.

Maybe they should not have gone as far left as Scuzzybuffalobutt, but it is unlikely they would go as far right as Hoffmann. NY-23 was a lot more purple than it was being given credit for by Hoffmann supporters.

Sekhmet on November 4, 2009 at 7:45 AM

Yes, when she endorsed the conservative candidate and made the moderate a loser and promptly turned NY-23 blue.

Comedy gold.

Hoffman ran under the “Conservative” ticket and almost won, the ballot said the “Conservative” party candidate; talk about wearing it on your sleeve.

Even with the GOP itself running ads against him until two days before the election, Hoffman toyed with an upset. Now Owens gets to prove himself for one whole year with a president and party who is afraid to pass their own legislation.

Think Owens is concentrating on winning in 2010 or being a lapdog for Pelosi?

Bishop on November 4, 2009 at 7:47 AM

Hey gang, has anyone thought of making a degrading comment based on Scozzafava’s last name? Wouldn’t that be funny?

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:47 AM

JellyToast on November 4, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Well said!

truetexan on November 4, 2009 at 7:47 AM

Yes, when she endorsed the conservative candidate and made the moderate a loser and promptly turned NY-23 blue.

Go FY

Jaibones on November 4, 2009 at 7:16 AM
Peace be with you.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:21 AM

Scozzafava was NOT a moderate, she was a LIBERAL. Had she been at the very least fiscally conservative (NOT weak on taxes and in favor of Card Check) then there wouldn’t gave been such a backlash to her.

A week ago every Conservative was happy with Palin because she essentialy knocked out the Liberal. We were willing to take the moderate Democrat who opposes the public option. Then polls started showing Hoffman ahead and that’s when we truly thought he might actually win out of nowhere. In the end we are backt o where we started, send a message against RINOS when it comes to 2010. Palin’s Mission was accomplished. We will see another conservative in the race in 2010, it’ll just be someone other than Hoffman more than likely.

Daemonocracy on November 4, 2009 at 7:49 AM

The Northeast is not a conservative enclave and running social moderates in the Northeast are pretty much the only way the GOP will win seats in that part of the world. Scozzofava was far too liberal on economic policies to be a viable and acceptable candidate…the powerbrokers in that district went with a far too economic liberal for the Republican seat and it backfired for the party establishment.

Had Scozzo been less liberal on economic matters (i.e. card check, the stimulus) and had she been a fiscal conservative, Hoffman’s campaign gets no traction and Scozzo probably would have won.

Dickie Dunn on November 4, 2009 at 7:49 AM

So great, in fact, that it deserves something special. This special.

You’re the best.

BadgerHawk on November 4, 2009 at 7:49 AM

You did not learn the lesson.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:25 AM

Your never ending whining about the Republican Party might have some substance if for once, you detailed what Scozzafava would have brought to the arena that Owens wouldn’t.

MNHawk on November 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM

Seeing humpbot is like seeing a long lost friend. One that humps lava lamps.

Good Lt on November 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM

Your never ending whining about the Republican Party might have some substance if for once, you detailed what Scozzafava would have brought to the arena that Owens wouldn’t.

MNHawk on November 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM

A win for the GOP.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM

I don’t think anyone claims she lost the race for Hoffman. She did, however, lose the race for the Republican Party.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:45 AM

Proud Rino:Former Governor Sarah Palin helped campaign a
bit for Hoffman,

but,Obama stumped for Corzine and the real
narrative I would rather hear,is how this
also was a defeat for Obama,and in less than
one year,this really is a major political
debacle for Barrack!!

canopfor on November 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM

There is no point in electing a Scozzafava type. There is moderate as in Rudy Giuliani, or McCain and then there is this woman. So I’d rather have it this way and look for better candidates.

Frankly seeing Hoffman in person for the first time on Hannity I found him to be a bit sketchy. Didnt look ready for prime time. Not sure about his opponent though.

Dash on November 4, 2009 at 7:52 AM

She did, however, lose the race for the Republican Party.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:45 AM

What a completely asinine assertion, and I’m not even particularily fond of the woman. And as for your feckless Frank Burnsian, win-at-any-cost desires, well, Arlen, for some of us, honor is worth more.

And as others have stated, the state Repubs there will run a better candidate a year from now. And that person may or may not win; but the reality is that Scozzawangdangdoodle wasn’t going to vote with the bloc anyway -witness the Owens endorsement. Unless that was just Specter-like sour grapes petulance.

Doorgunner on November 4, 2009 at 7:52 AM

Maybe you should listen to people like me,

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:31 AM

Almost spit out my coffee…bragging about not having any real convictions is not someone you listen to.
Being a Rino merely means you can’t make up your mind…you will pander to whomever gives you the best deal.
By definition, a Rino is someone who pretends to be something they are not…get it? “in name only”, meaning they are deceivers by definition…or liars, whatever word you want to use, bottom line is that they are not whom they say they are.
I doubt anyone will listen to someone who brags about deceiving…but then we do have Obama…

right2bright on November 4, 2009 at 7:52 AM

Rino’s make me tired.

kara26 on November 4, 2009 at 7:53 AM

Hey gang, has anyone thought of making a degrading comment based on Scozzafava’s last name? Wouldn’t that be funny?

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:47 AM

Why didn’t I think of that?

bloggless on November 4, 2009 at 7:53 AM

Can anyone tell me what’s a “Republican party”?

bloggless on November 4, 2009 at 7:53 AM

Think Owens is concentrating on winning in 2010 or being a lapdog for Pelosi?

Bishop on November 4, 2009 at 7:47 AM

Owens is a Fiscal Moderate that will want to hold on to his seat. My guess is he votes NO on Pelosi.

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 7:54 AM

Now Hoffman can regroup and we will be back stronger than ever.

bloggless on November 4, 2009 at 7:54 AM

I am exhausted, sunburned & sore from standing at the polls all day yesterday. I didn’t even know these results til this a.m.

Congrats NJ. we beat alot of corruption there which gives me hope that we can move forward in other fraud-ridden states.

Healthcare vote this week according to Pelosi. Let’s see who caught on to the election & who is still tone deaf. I’m looking at you, Tom Perriello (Dem 5th CD VA).

kelley in virginia on November 4, 2009 at 7:55 AM

but,Obama stumped for Corzine and the real
narrative I would rather hear,is how this
also was a defeat for Obama,and in less than
one year,this really is a major political
debacle for Barrack!!

canopfor on November 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM

Well, there are differences. Obama was stuck with Corzine, Palin picked Hoffman over Scozzafava. If Palin went out and campaigned for any old Republican, that’s not that big of a deal. She endorsed the Conservative Party candidate and threw her own party under the bus. And then she lost.

Obama campaigned for an unpopular incumbent in a close race and the other guy won. If Obama had insisted on someone more left wing, thrown the Ds under the bus, and then lost, it would be as disastrous for him as it is for Palin.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:55 AM

We will see another conservative in the race in 2010, it’ll just be someone other than Hoffman more than likely.

Daemonocracy on November 4, 2009 at 7:49 AM

And That will be the proof that Proud Rino doesn’t want to see.

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 7:57 AM

for some of us, honor is worth more.

Cool, well congratulations on your moral victory.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:57 AM

Palin/Humpbot 2012! Todd will be watching the thing like a hawk at all times.

thebrokenrattle on November 4, 2009 at 7:57 AM

Scuzzybuffalobutt was chosen back in April or May when 0bama’s numbers were a whole lot better than they are right now. The September back-room meetings were just a formality. The local GOP wanted to have someone ready to go for when the special election was finally called by the governor. And that meant picking someone back in April or May when they knew a replacement for the previous Congressman was needed.

Maybe they should not have gone as far left as Scuzzybuffalobutt, but it is unlikely they would go as far right as Hoffmann. NY-23 was a lot more purple than it was being given credit for by Hoffmann supporters.

Sekhmet on November 4, 2009 at 7:45 AM

How is Hoffman far right? All the guy seemed to talk about were economic issues and in mind numbingly detail at times. The only reason they won’t back Hoffman again is because some form of slickness always has and always will win an election and he has none. There will be a Conservative in 2010 but unlike Hoffman he won’t be attacked on all fronts.

You keep repeating your excuse for the nomination of Scozzafava and I still don’t buy it one bit. She was selected because of intra party politics, there was no real thought put into it. They do her a favor she’ll do them a favor. There was NO reason for them to put up a straight liberal the way they did, not in that district which is more Red than purple.

And even if what you say is true, the Republicans should have better foresight than this. If they selected Scozzafava because of Obama’s approval ratings and bought into the notion that the country shifted to the left, they are morons. Obama won on cult of personality, not the issues.

Daemonocracy on November 4, 2009 at 7:57 AM

With 88 percent of the precincts reporting, Owens had 49 percent of the vote to 46 percent for Hoffman. Scozzafava had 6 percent. (AP, Breitbart)

It was the RNC that screwed the NY23 pooch. No valid reason to have EVER put Scozzafava on the ticket. The only “reason” was to try to bed with her Democrat husband’s union. She spoiled the race for Republicans and for conservatives alike, swiping the likely ignorant 6% Republican vote differential from Hoffman. I blame Newt’s gang. So much for “loyalty to the party system”, Newt. You defeated Hoffman.

Hats off to the honorable Hoffman, honest CPA businessman willing to put himself out for public service. I admire him, and thank him and his supporters for all of their efforts to correct what is wrong.

maverick muse on November 4, 2009 at 7:58 AM

Why do so many conservatives watch MSNBC, anyway?

chris999 on November 4, 2009 at 2:16 AM

Because we need a good laugh now and then. And believe me, MSNBC is laughable, and pathetic, just like you.

lovingmyUSA on November 4, 2009 at 7:58 AM

Tea Party Smacked! NBC will trot it out, anyway, as evidence of their general narrative. So you know how true it is.

This race had less to do with a rebuff of the “far right” than it had to do with the local Repub establishment and Scozzafava and her buddies’ pique. In a nonprimary jurisdiction, how much juice would these chairpeople have had in the future if a Dem hadn’t won? Karl Rove called it “chaos” in the local Rebub machine. Why, none of their selections would be safe! I call it a smackdown that the locals will rememeber long after the nation has forgotten this evening.

IlikedAUH2O on November 4, 2009 at 7:58 AM

Unknown Hoffman, (not a great candidate. let’s be honest)had a 30 day campaign and STILL nearly pulled it off. VA and NJ won by campaigning on fiscal responsibility and lower taxes. There will be droves of new Hoffman type candidates in 2010. They need to position themselves as FISCAL conservatives and Republicans will embrace them.

marklmail on November 4, 2009 at 7:59 AM

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Palin endorsed Hoffman, she never campaigned.

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 7:59 AM

Well, there are differences. Obama was stuck with Corzine, Palin picked Hoffman over Scozzafava

Spare me your ill thought out Double Standards. Palin was stuck with Hoffman as well because he was the only true Conservative and true Republican in the race.

Daemonocracy on November 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM

Rino’s make me tired.

kara26 on November 4, 2009 at 7:53 AM

kara26:According to Rush,moderates are fence sitters,so,I
think RINOs are probably sitting on the next fence
post,right beside the moderate!!:)(sarc).

canopfor on November 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM

And what is wrong?

OVERSPENDING & RAISED TAXES WHEN OBAMA PROMISED TO CUT TAXES

What was the news I heard of armed gangs of thugs roaming around voting places yesterday?

maverick muse on November 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM

Spin it however you want.

Yesterday was a gigantic day for conservatives.

When I just heard the sitting Dem. Gov of VA, Tim Kaine say that the real race they were watching was an obscure district on the Canadian border in NY, while he gets replaced in a landslide by a GOP Gov, LT Gov and AG, I had to laugh out loud…..so sweet it is.

tatersalad on November 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM

We must ignore the liberal biased medias spin this, because this race was a battle within the republican party and a statement to the GOP leadership. And it has been made loud and clear! Newt will never again underestimate the disgust that rank and file republicans have for his type of GOP leadership. It wont change him, but he’ll think twice about his influence on regular folks.

And admittedly, Hoffman had a lot going against him. He was not articulate. He was a third party candidate. He was unknown a month ago. I would like to see how the indies broke and their reasons for doing so.

This is also a testament to the power that Fred, Jeri, Sarah, and other true conservatives have with regular folks. Now personal power, but rather message power.

csdeven on November 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM

and yes, Palin never campaigned or took over Hoffman’s campaign the way Obama did in NJ.

Daemonocracy on November 4, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Proud Rino, how do you feel about Scozzafava endorsing the democrat? Is that what it means to be a Republican In Name Only (RINO) – that you use the R label when it suits you and when it doesn’t, use the D label?

Next question: Why should anybody vote for a person just because of the R behind their name when tomorrow it could just as easily be a D?

justincase on November 4, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Maybe he lost because Newt endorsed him. That would make Newt 2 for 2.

Ronnie on November 4, 2009 at 8:01 AM

The bottom line: If Proud Rino is correct then the NY-23 GOP will again choose someone like Scozzafava.

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Will the party bosses who picked Scozzafava see this as a vindication of their choice and run with the same sort of stupidity next year?

SKYFOX on November 4, 2009 at 8:02 AM

Yes, when she endorsed the conservative candidate and made the moderate a loser and promptly turned NY-23 blue.

Go FY

Jaibones on November 4, 2009 at 7:16 AM
Peace be with you.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:21 AM

You may be making an assumption here, that Scozzafava was more “moderate” than Owens, when we’ve been hearing just the opposite for days now.

Is this a wrong assessment? Would it have been better for Scozzafava to carry the district?

To a lot of folks following the race Owens was preferable to Scozzafava, and Hoffman would have been icing on the cake but not essential. And no matter which way this race was going it was a godsend when Scozzafava got starved for support.

We may soon hear differently from the deal-making wing of the Republican party, if they choose to engage in infighting, but since when have those members been known for their uncanny ability to appreciate their candidates’ fundamental ideological leanings?

RD on November 4, 2009 at 8:02 AM

The bottom line: If Proud Rino is correct then the NY-23 GOP will again choose someone like Scozzafava.

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Reasoning fail. No, they’ll pick another conservative, because they don’t want people defecting again. And they’ll probably win.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 8:02 AM

A win for the GOP.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM

Wrong answer dufus, a win for Scozzafava would have been a win for the democrats, not the Republicans. As she proved 100 percent beyond dispute when she endorsed Owens.

doriangrey on November 4, 2009 at 8:03 AM

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 8:02 AM

Then you just proved our point.

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 8:03 AM

Proud Rino, how do you feel about Scozzafava endorsing the democrat?

justincase on November 4, 2009 at 8:01 AM

I don’t really care either way. I said this race was meaningless before the election, and I still think it’s meaningless (in terms of actual results in the House). But it’s a disaster for Palin and Co.

Mostly I just enjoy watching you guys try to weasel into rationalizing how this is great news.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Hoffman lost? Meh.

Scozzafava lost first. And lost best. Fuck the RINO’s.

Serr8d on November 4, 2009 at 8:05 AM

Way to go, Palin. You made Snoozy loose.

Dave Rywall on November 4, 2009 at 8:06 AM

I don’t think anyone claims she lost the race for Hoffman. She did, however, lose the race for the Republican Party.

Kinda like McCain lost the presidential race last year, eh?

bluestatered on November 4, 2009 at 8:06 AM

I don’t want anymore wins if that means that the only thing that the ‘winner’ has in common with me is GOP affiliation. It is way past time to demand that OUR candidates REPRESENT US! We don’t want people to get elected then go to DC and vote against us and the country. RINOs need to change their philosophy on government and freedom or seek election as Dems!

Sporty1946 on November 4, 2009 at 8:06 AM

csdeven
I heard Hoffman articulate very clearly yesterday on the radio. If you meant he’s not flamboyant, even being plain and simple is a BIG PLUS given the Liars’ Deceit from the Oval Office and Congress today. NY was offered a contrast, and had Newt not stuck in his ugly @ss, Hoffman would have won. As it is, 3% differential is pretty damned close.

maverick muse on November 4, 2009 at 8:06 AM

Reasoning fail. No, they’ll pick another conservative, because they don’t want people defecting again. And they’ll probably win.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 8:02 AM

See how it works? The NY23 tent was too small to allow conservatives to be in it, They have learned a lesson here. Thanks in-part to Sarah Palin.

Amadeus on November 4, 2009 at 8:06 AM

I don’t really care either way. I said this race was meaningless before the election, and I still think it’s meaningless (in terms of actual results in the House). But it’s a disaster for Palin and Co.

Mostly I just enjoy watching you guys try to weasel into rationalizing how this is great news.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 8:04 AM

It’s difficult to have a meaningful debate with someone who ‘doesn’t care either way’.

tatersalad on November 4, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Mostly I just enjoy watching you guys try to weasel into rationalizing how this is great news.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Define “try to weasel into rationalizing” please.

Ronnie on November 4, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Good ol Humpbot. I can honestly say that I haven’t herd Mr. Bungle for more than a decade.

loudmouth883 on November 4, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Vote your principles and not your party. That is the true message here. All this back-and-forth is encouraged and needed to debate the issue but, at the end of the day, one can hold their head high, knowing they held true to their values. Scozzafava was a liberal. But, more than that, she was dishonest. She’s also a turn-coat and her unprecedented actions revealed her for what she truly is – a bitter, scornful woman with no moral compass. Honestly, I would much rather see someone that is truthful in their convictions (whether it be Owens OR Hoffman) win that position than a liar like Scozzafava. Of course, I would have liked to see Hoffman win but, more than that, I’m glad to see the liar lose. The voters have spoken. At least they were able to vote on the FACTS and not the same old campaign lies we’ve become accustomed to. At the very least, Palin should be thanked for calling out the B.S. that no one else was willing to do.

Shiny_Tiara on November 4, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Wrong answer dufus, a win for Scozzafava would have been a win for the democrats, not the Republicans. As she proved 100 percent beyond dispute when she endorsed Owens.

doriangrey on November 4, 2009 at 8:03 AM

This is what Proud Rino doesn’t understand about what Palin and Conservatives wanted in NY-23:

1st Choice: Hoffman

2nd Choice: Owens

Intolerable Choice: Scozzafava

…simple as that. He is so obsessed with party name he forgets his values (if he has any). With Owens in we have yet another Blue Dog who will bea thorn in Pelosi’s side regarding the Public Option, this is what he campaigned on. Next year a stronger Conservative will take him on in a proper election.

Daemonocracy on November 4, 2009 at 8:08 AM

Daemonocracy on November 4, 2009 at 7:57 AM

Why was Hoffmann too far to the right…..get ready…. because it’s NEW YORK! Yes, New freakin YORK! If there is a bright conservative center to the universe, this is as far from it as you can get. Folks act as if everyone outside of New York City in NY are foot-washin’ Baptists just like them.

Sekhmet on November 4, 2009 at 8:08 AM

Another incumbent Arlen Rino would’ve been a pain. This is half a victory instead of a full loss or or worse.

the_nile on November 4, 2009 at 8:08 AM

It’s difficult to have a meaningful debate with someone who ‘doesn’t care either way’.

tatersalad on November 4, 2009 at 8:07 AM

None of you should care either way. Democrats have 255 (or whatever) seats now. +/-1 means nothing.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 8:08 AM

No, it’s a disaster. This was the first race she had gotten involved in where she wasn’t a candidate, she went to a reliably conservative area, and her candidate of choice lost.

Think anyone will be wanting her anywhere near them in a swing state anytime soon?

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:13 AM

NO. HOFFFMAN IS A VICTORY INDEED. WE, CONSERVATIVES, WERE ABLE TO LAUNCH A “FULL-PLEDGED” REPUBLICAN AND CONSERVATIVE AT THE SAME TIME, WHO MANAGED TO GET 44% OF THE VOTES DESPITE MANEUVERING AND TRAITOROUS ATTACKS OF THE ENEMIES, BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE:

REPUBLICAN – PEOPLE IS THE BOSS; GOVERNMENT FOLLOWS.
CONSERVATIVE – SMALL GOVERNMENT MEANS EFFICIENCY AND FREEDOM

NY23 WAS ALREADY LOST WHEN DEDE BECAME THE CANDIDATE.

HOFFMAN GAVE US A HOPE. IT’S NOT OVER. IT’S JUST STARTED. IT WILL BE VERY CLEAR NEXT TIME.

PLUS, GOOD FOR NY23. MAYBE THEY NEED ONE MORE YEAR OF OBAMA’S PRESIDENCY TO REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE SIGNED INTO A TRAINWRECK.

TheAlamos on November 4, 2009 at 8:08 AM

Way to go, Palin. You made Snoozy loose.

Dave Rywall on November 4, 2009 at 8:06 AM

Pretty sure Snoozy made Snoozy lose.

loudmouth883 on November 4, 2009 at 8:08 AM

It was the RNC that screwed the NY23 pooch. No valid reason to have EVER put Scozzafava on the ticket.

Yes, the RNC should have weighed Scozzafava’s credentials more carefully, but so too Hoffman supporters should have weighed his credentials more carefully, particularly his appeal with NY-23 and his ability to compete in NY-23; all that was done here by exposing Scozzafava as a RINO was to hand race to Democrat Owens! That’s it… Palin didn’t campaign for him but simply make same keystrokes toward Hoffman’s support. In the end, Republicans lost a seat here to Democrat in a traditional Republican district… some recriminations are due I feel… Not saying Scozzafava shouldn’t have been exposed but RNC is not entirely to blame here… I understand Hoffman not even from NY-23rd District… maybe that light should have dawned over conservatives a bit earlier…

IntheNet on November 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM

Hats off to the honorable Hoffman, honest CPA businessman willing to put himself out for public service. I admire him, and thank him and his supporters for all of their efforts to correct what is wrong.

maverick muse on November 4, 2009 at 7:58 AM

RIGHT! We must reject King Georges the medias attempts to frame this in their own terms. We must praise Hoffman for his sacrifice. He did so in the vein of our other examples of patriotic citizen public servants. I think Beck calls it refounding America. Hoffman could be our John Adams. And if he isn’t, we must make the atmosphere in this country ready to accept him/her.

csdeven on November 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM

Palin went out and campaigned for any old Republican, that’s not that big of a deal. She endorsed the Conservative Party candidate and threw her own party under the bus. And then she lost.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Proud Rino: Theres one problem tho,Scozzafava was a Liberal,
in the Republic Party!

Scozzafava should be banished and exiled from
the Republican Party!!

Scozzafava was a double agent!!:)
(sarc).

canopfor on November 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM

Proud Rino

That’s an oxymoron like jumbo shrimp.

Scozzafava was no more a Republican than you are. Conservativism won by schooling the two-faced liars running the GOP. Palin slapped down Newt, made that phony Pawlenty squirm and isolated Romney as the gutless weasel he is.

Gloat all you want loser. The game isn’t over nitwit, it’s just beginning. This election’s for just a 10 month job. The full term seat is up for election in 2010. Hoffman I’m sure has a bit of a war chest now for another try at the seat. If he had the absentee ballots that had already been mailed in for the phony Republican he would have won this time.

You and you’re ilk are unwanted and used up. Go kiss Obama’s ass.

rcl on November 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM

No, they’ll pick another conservative, because they don’t want people defecting again. And they’ll probably win.

Proud Rino on November 4, 2009 at 8:02 AM

So, thanks to Sarah Palin (according to you), NY-23 will pick a conservative and win in 2010. So what the hell are you yapping about?

Ronnie on November 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM

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