Ohio jobs “saved or created” weren’t in danger at all
posted at 1:36 pm on November 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Obama administration included in its estimate of 640,328 jobs “saved or created” by Porkulus around 7200 positions in Ohio’s school systems. However, the Columbus Dispatch reports that the jobs listed were never at risk of being cut this year, and many of them wouldn’t have been cut at all, with or without the stimulus block grants (via Patterico):
The Obama administration announced Friday that federal stimulus money had created or saved about 7,200 education jobs in Ohio as of Sept. 30.
Although a couple of hundred of those jobs were in Columbus City Schools, the district acknowledged yesterday that many of the “saved” jobs definitely wouldn’t have been lost in the first place, and others might not have been lost at all. …
Federal Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a conference call with reporters yesterday that the country has “325,000 who would literally not be in the classroom today if not for these funds.” But not in Columbus, where the district’s finances looked pretty solid before the stimulus. Voters passed a levy last November that should keep the district’s books largely in the black until 2012.
The district explains how the shell game worked:
So was the district on the verge of laying off 36 school administrators?
“No,” Dannemiller said, explaining that the reporting choices were “created” and “saved.” “They weren’t ‘created,’ obviously, so our only other choice was ‘saved.’ “
In other words, if the state applied the money, it had to report any positions on which they were spent as a job saved or created — even if the job was in no danger of disappearing. It’s only one step removed from simply dividing the amount of money spent by a mystical job-creation number taken out of thin air and announcing numbers that exist only in the realm of the theoretical.
We can multiply this example through every application, especially in state block grants — Virginia, for example. The states loaded the books on Porkulus with spending on education and public safety, not because they didn’t have the money for that, but because they could therefore redirect their own spending on less necessary positions. State budgets are fungible; the states can redirect general fund spending where they wish.
Porkulus is nothing more than a shell game for Obama and the states, which mainly benefited the state employees in SEIU unions who may have faced real job elimination in non-critical positions — the kind of belt-tightening states should have been doing all year.
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I’m so sick and tired of the bull***t that spews from this clown college of an administration.
Cicero43 on November 3, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Local NY-23 GOP officials said, explaining that the voting choices were “liberal republican” and “democrat”.
See how they do that.
BadgerHawk on November 3, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Obama stimulus promised 1.2 million new jobs by end of September. Reality is 3.4 million jobs lost.
The Obama Stimulus Job Creation Deficit is 4.6 Million jobs.
Appears that they guessed wrong.
jukin on November 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM
What a mess.
Chudi on November 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM
It is hard to believe that a person with two brain cells that work believe one single thing that this wh house tells us. If the truth did come out of bho mouth, I would not believe it.
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letget on November 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM
LOL. The feds got their idea of the reporting from their totalitarian buddies’ election choices. Normally, this would be considered fraud of the highest order, as the feds are forcing the porkulus recipients to LIE about the usage of the funds, in order to lie to America. Add this to the articles of impeachment for The Precedent.
progressoverpeace on November 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Success! – crr6
Freedom! – Bleeds Blue
lorien1973 on November 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM
I think for most of the people in Obama’s administration, Tic Tac Toe remains a challenge.
BobMbx on November 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Lie. Again and again and again.
nyx on November 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Most libs have only two working brain cells.
And they’re arguing.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM
I personally saved the job of every Texan that showed up to work this morning.
txsurveyor on November 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM
are you trying to tell me that they would lie to us??? I don’t believe it! /sarc
search4truth on November 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM
I love that photo. What a snob.
I wonder what tomorrow night’s lawn party theme will be? What will be served? Will it be organic? Which Hollywood stars will or will not show up?
I’m certain all of the house help, chefs, florists, decorators, chauffeurs, butlers, maids and gardeners will be on their best behavior and in their best attire.
I can’t WAIT to see MeeChelle descend the holy steps of the White House.
Key West Reader on November 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM
I just developed this new medical technique that saves lives. If you’re at your computer tomorrow, and you’re alive–then that is proof that it works. Did you see that? You’re still alive.
Logic.
ted c on November 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Can the trolls please weigh in here?
I’m conservative, but the social issue that primarily concerns me is theft by Democrats.
BuckeyeSam on November 3, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Similar in construction to Saddam Hussiens’ election ballot:
Choice #1: Saddam Hussien
Choice #2: Kill my family
BobMbx on November 3, 2009 at 1:46 PM
I just saved Ed’s job by viewing this page. I even came close to creating it (or maybe the feds call it a “super save”) by submitting this comment. You owe me, Ed.
progressoverpeace on November 3, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Never in my 51 years have I seen a president with his nose in the air, appearing so arrogant and self-absorbed. Not even Clinton posed like that.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Suck it Obama! You complete POS! Gawd how I HATE these bastads!
Flyboy on November 3, 2009 at 1:48 PM
“Shut up”, he explained.
a capella on November 3, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Another picture where it looks like he’s smelling a huge fart.
What’s up with that?
lorien1973 on November 3, 2009 at 1:48 PM
This administration is just chock filled with lying weasels.
(with apologies to actual weasels)
And at $160,000 – $240,000 per job “saved or created” where did all the money go that wasn’t spend on salary or benefits for the job itself.
rbj on November 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM
It’s fun to watch the whole “hope and change” thing turn into “shuck and jive”, “bob and weave”, and “cover you a$$”.
Multi-tasking is such hard work.
milwife88 on November 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM
I still wouldn’t live in Sandusky.
SouthernGent on November 3, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Unemployment is at 10%. There are no jobs for people to find. NONE of these smoke and mirrors “jobs saved” numbers of Obama’s is going to go over with anyone.
wildcat84 on November 3, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Brazilian fart porn- Michelle’s fave.
Monica on November 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I saved 10 jobs yesterday by thinking warm fuzzy thoughts. Don’t believe me?
[Nnnnngh!]
I just saved your job. You’re welcome.
OhioCoastie on November 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM
I think we need a bigger bullhorn. In a sane world, this alone would take of 2010 and 2012.
ElectricPhase on November 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Do you still beat your wife? Check yes or no.
Monica on November 3, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Another picture where it looks like he’s smelling a huge fart.
What’s up with that?
lorien1973 on November 3, 2009 at 1:48 PM
’cause he’s smelling his own farts — and to him and his loyal cult of morons they smell like ambrosia.
max1 on November 3, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Obama Administration: Tell us what we want to hear, so we can brag about it and quote you as a source.
If the school board hadn’t filled in either “created” or “saved”, would the Obama Administration take back the money?
Steve Z on November 3, 2009 at 1:53 PM
when i see that photo, my right hand instantly forms into a fist!
Ghoul aid on November 3, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Sounds like their form needed choice C: Taxpayer money wasted. (Check!)
LASue on November 3, 2009 at 1:55 PM
The road jobs they “created” near my house effed up a perfectly good road. Now it’s all tore up (for about a month now) and where they “patched” it, is the most uneven an amature job I have ever seen.
loudmouth883 on November 3, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Me and Michelle have something in common!
lorien1973 on November 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM
A litte fudging here and a lot of fudging there gets you 1.2 million jobs saved.
Way to go Zero.
Brat4life on November 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM
I want the trolls to show me a photo of Reagan or both Bush presidents with their nose in the air like this arrogant POS has been caught by camera.
Then, for more fun on your part, tell me where jobs have been saved or created. Reagan did it, and I recall McDonald’s in NJ around 1986 offering high-schoolers $6.50 an hour to take the job.
Before you trolls try complaining, $6.50 an hour was well above the minimum wage of $3.35 an hour.
C’mon, trolls! Tell me a story!
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Just wait until they get ahold of your body.
clorensen on November 3, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Since this is sort of an anniversary for the President, I think it would be appropriate to compare Candidate Obama’s promises made during the campaign to President Obama’s current acheivements.
Waiting……
yoda on November 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM
I want my money back. I do not support the SEIU, and I resent my tax dollars being used to pay back political allies, and thugs.
capejasmine on November 3, 2009 at 2:00 PM
To combat that instinct try pulling your pants up.
You’re welcome!
simplesimon on November 3, 2009 at 2:00 PM
God Bless ya Tex Surveyor. How is the market out West?
Key West Reader on November 3, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Are you capable of more than insult and innuendo? Do you have a genuine point of view to which others might be swayed, to come into your camp and vote as you might?
Tell us all–turn people to your politics. Persuade us to believe as you do.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM
OT Breaking: Police being dispatched to two NY-23 polling places, according to Democrats.
Enoxo on November 3, 2009 at 2:05 PM
This is all intentional – there is no other explanation.
redwhiteblue on November 3, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Good thing that fiscally responsible states are paying to bail out idiot blue states like California.
From now on, we can just turn on the spigots to the spending and get everything we want for free.
NoDonkey on November 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM
“Well, it’s complicated.” — Joe Biden
John the Libertarian on November 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Were was the checkbox for “pissed away”?
PackerBronco on November 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Bingo
nyx on November 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Wait until ObamaCare is implemented, then we’re going to hear about how ObamaCare has saved or healed 500,000 lives.
PackerBronco on November 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM
I think if Pelosi and Reid both farted in your general direction at the same time, your hair would melt, your arms would fall off and in pain you would point your nose to the Lord and state, “Save me”.
Yes?
Key West Reader on November 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Sounds like a false flag op. Check ‘em for SEIU membership cards.
ElectricPhase on November 3, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Thanks Key West Reader. Just steady enough to keep the doors open. I’m really hoping it doesn’t get any worse. Do you survey in the sunshine state? How’s the market there?
txsurveyor on November 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM
There is probably a reason why “simple” is part of his name. ;) And pusuasion? That takes to much time, thought, and intelligence. Obviously not simpletons strong point.
capejasmine on November 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Hi!
I find simon a ringer, someone who has a psychopathic need to upset applecarts. He gets off on it, and I bet that, if he has a sibling he meddles in his/her marriage much like in the TV show Rosanne.
I posed the question for a reason, which simon will eventually make evident. If he wants to play a game, I’m in.
Liberals are inevitably their own undoing.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Says the queen of ‘pusuasion’.
simplesimon on November 3, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Totally tanked. Not even mortgage surveys. Commercial market is collapsing, no new construction, nothing. And this is from the upper penninsula Miami all the way to Jax, not from Key West. Many of the guys are starving down here. Hard times, my friend.
Key West Reader on November 3, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Coolness, you’re still here!
I was once liberal. Persuade me back to your point of view.
I need to know.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:22 PM
Phony jobs saved stats…THATS A PEACE PRIZE!!!
Alden Pyle on November 3, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Take it up with the resident poet, veteranoutrage. You 2 seemed to hit it off! 2 great minds thinking alike and all.
simplesimon on November 3, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Hard times, indeed. Many including myself are saying this is worse than the real estate collapse of the 80′s. I am running at less than half the staff I had two years ago. Luckily all left through attrition rather than having to lay them off. We are running at bare bones staffing now.
Good luck, and maybe things will turn around soon.
txsurveyor on November 3, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Others aren’t a matter here. They’re degenerates as you call them, and therefore not worth your time.
I’m asking YOU, to take me into your fold. Just you and me, Simon. Make me believe.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Sorry, I don’t do outreach. Good luck and all that.
simplesimon on November 3, 2009 at 2:28 PM
But…I’m trying to learn from you! Will you leave me abandoned to conservatives? Is that what liberalism is about–leaving behind someone who seeks you out?
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:30 PM
A large part of the misleading numbers here are the result of the mandated classification of jobs that the law requires in their reporting.
Simply they have pre biased the reports to produce figures that overstate the actual results.
CommentGuy on November 3, 2009 at 2:33 PM
BO needs to put down the pipe and put more weight on his bones. His affinity for blow is obscuring his judgement.
jbh45 on November 3, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Some people, (incorrectly I might add) lool at African American students and expect less out of them due to race. I think the country is doing that with Obama. “He’s doing a crappy job, but he’s black so we’ll cut him some slack”
Jeff from WI on November 3, 2009 at 2:36 PM
This is what liberals are in their truest nature.
My church DOES outreach in many ways. We’re integrated–white, black, Hispanic and more. We deny no one in need.
Simon, a self-professed liberal, denies other humans.
He has spoken for himself and, by extention, ‘true’ liberalism
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Just as I suspected.
They used to call such spending “block grants”…until that got a bad name.
jeanneb on November 3, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Where is the money? Can’t somebody or some organization trace any of it?
You can’t possibly make that much money disappear without some trail, can you?
Simplesimon reminds me of a quote(kind of off topic, sort of) in the beginning of “Die Hard”
“Said Simple Simon to the pie man going to the fair: Give me your pies… or I’ll cave your head in.”
Ditkaca on November 3, 2009 at 2:37 PM
That’s right, friend of God. Time to move along. There are souls to be saved!
simplesimon on November 3, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Liberalism is all about the ‘soft’ bigotry of low expectations. I’m sure you know this but for those who don’t, Lincoln was a Republican.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Why are you refusing to bring me to your point of view? Do you hate me that much?
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:40 PM
I don’t think it has a point of view, just obstinance.
Monica on November 3, 2009 at 2:42 PM
I know, hon. What he’s doing with me is all to a point of my own design.
Thanks for keeping my back!
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:45 PM
So–ever going to tell me why I should believe as you do? Why is your way superior?
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 2:50 PM
An insult to clown colleges everywhere.
EyeSurgeon on November 3, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Yep,given the declining tax revenues due to FUNEMPLOYMENT, let’s see these states get by next year without PORKULUS II.
GarandFan on November 3, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Are you some creepy ‘youth minister’ or something? Or one of those 12-step clowns that feel a need to preach?
Either way, consider yourself dismissed. Go with God.
simplesimon on November 3, 2009 at 3:03 PM
No he doesn’t. He got caught out this past week, when he demanded deference for the Commander-in-Chief Obama, and then slammed Bush an hour later for being a disreputable Commander-in-Chief.
Chris_Balsz on November 3, 2009 at 3:08 PM
So you know, to establish a contact, I’m no minister anywhere.
Funny–you condemn people who do 12-step programs because they want to be free of addictions. It’s shameful of you to invalidate people who want to clean up. Seriously–what are you about, what kind of hate motivates you–a liberal–to devalue people who seek escape from addiction?
What kind of person are you? What makes you hate so much and so deeply?
You can ‘dismiss’ me all you want, but the posts between us here have effect all who read.
You attacked me when I asked to learn of you and nothing more. I ventured no assault while you engaged combat.
You told much of yourself. Thank you for that.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Arrogance on parade.
infidel4life on November 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Simpleton found a typo. Good job Simpleton *pats Simpletons head*
What’s with all the insults, and vitriol today, Simpleton? Mom wouldn’t give you cheetos with your peanut butter sandwich?
capejasmine on November 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM
He’s an aberration, someone full of hate. Typical Leftist, really. He has spoken for himself and for all libs. He and his kind can’t be anything more than what they are at their core.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Remember Simpleton…God doesn’t stray from you, you stray from Him. If all you can do is attack, remember one thing. God didn’t make bad things happen to you, but His promise is, He’ll stand by you, when the bad things do happen. Hold to that, and maybe, just maybe your life will change, and you’ll find happiness again.
capejasmine on November 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM
100% agree, and I do feel for him. It’s sad to see one so angry, hateful, and miserable.
capejasmine on November 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM
“Is it faster to Chicago, or by plane?”
Fed45 on November 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM
I find it hard to feel for someone like that. Hate is, really, a choice. While I wish better for all, I see no reason to feel for someone who wants to hate. We all reap what we sow.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Let’s call this joker on his own terms: He mocked people in 12-step programs, which basically says, as he declared himself, he prefers people stay drunks and other kinds of addicts.
That’s HATE, from a self-asserted liberal.
I say that’s typical of the breed.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 3:51 PM
So, like a Wash Post poll, the survey was rigged. Hoocoodanode?
Paul_in_NJ on November 3, 2009 at 3:58 PM
It’s angry at the a$$-kicking its side is getting today.
Monica on November 3, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Simon isn’t really a liberal. He uses that feint as a tool to vent his fury. I can use that to invalidate other libs around here. Simon is tool and a fool, and he gave me a major load of ammo. I’m saving his posts
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 4:05 PM
I’m flattered by the attention that you race fans are paying me! I would urge you instead to focus on more ‘conservative’ issues like activist judges and Sarah Palin.
Thank you.
simplesimon on November 3, 2009 at 4:17 PM
My points are proven.
Thank YOU, simp. You feel all warm and fuzzy but this post of yours did me a bigger favor than you found for yourself.
Now I can at last actively work to destroy you here on HA with your own posts.
Thanks to you, my Christmas came early!
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 4:23 PM
You’re so easily pleased! I would suggest getting a hobby but you seem so very active in your church! Helpin’ all those “white, black, Hispanic and more” folk. Good works, good works!
simplesimon on November 3, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Oh, but I have a hobby!
Cute, you being liberal and all, to devalue those people in my church who aren’t all white. By your own standard, that makes you racist–a typical liberal as you call yourself.
Keep going, please! You, as a liberal, are damaging all other libs who post here. You;re a cannibal, consuming your own kind more than you’re harming me and my values. Please keep it up! You’re doing exactly what I want, basically becoming my b*tch tho you don’t grasp it.
More, more, more!
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM
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I’m hungry, simon. Feed me more of your rhetoric, to use against other libs who post here. They’ll deny you, of course, but that’s no matter. I’ll be using your words, as you being a liberal, against them.
If you were a chick, I’d buy you supper for the boon you keep giving me.
Liam on November 3, 2009 at 4:39 PM
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