Are Democrats heading for abortion showdown?

posted at 3:05 pm on November 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Depending on the source, Democrats are either moving towards resolving Blue Dog objections to public funding of abortions, or heading towards a cliff on an ObamaCare vote in the House.  Roll Call reports that progress has been made in adding language to block federal funding of abortion (subscription required):

Democrats are close to finalizing an abortion compromise that would hopefully draw enough moderate anti-abortion Democrats to mitigate a threat from Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., to block the bill from coming to the floor.

Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., has been working on the abortion compromise with Rep. Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind. At a Caucus meeting Monday night, Ellsworth circulated revised language to strengthen the outline drafted by Rep. Lois Capps, D-Calif., without writing into law the Hyde Amendment’s prohibition on using federal funds for abortion. Rep. Baron Hill, D-Ind., said the language assuaged his concerns about abortion in the bill. “It makes it clear that no federal dollars can be used for abortion,” Hill said.

However, the Washington Post says that no movement has occurred at all, and the potential fault line could doom the bill:

House leaders were still negotiating Monday with the bloc of Democrats concerned about abortion provisions in the legislation, saying that they could lead to public funding of the procedure. After an evening meeting of top House Democrats, Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (Md.) said, “We are making progress,” but added that they had not reached an agreement.

The outcome of those talks could be crucial in deciding the fate of the health-care bill. Democrats need the vast majority of their caucus to back the bill, since nearly all congressional Republicans have said they will oppose the legislation.

“I will continue whipping my colleagues to oppose bringing the bill to the floor for a vote until a clean vote against public funding for abortion is allowed,” Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) said Monday in a statement. He said last week that 40 Democrats could vote with him to oppose the legislation — enough to derail the bill.

As if that didn’t give the Democratic leadership enough problems, an issue that erupted into the national spotlight two months ago has arisen again.  Rep. Joe Wilson cried out, “You lie!” during Barack Obama’s speech to the joint session of Congress when the President insisted that illegal immigrants would not get services or subsidies under ObamaCare.  However, in the same Roll Call report, it turns out that illegal immigration has not been properly addressed in Pelosi’s version of the bill:

But immigration continues to dog House Democrats in their push to unveil a manager’s amendment today. The chairs of the Progressive, Black, Hispanic and Asian Pacific Islander caucuses sent a letter to House Speaker Pelosi Monday pushing back against attempts to exclude undocumented workers from buying insurance through the exchange even if they use their own money.

The caucuses want to “ensure that no citizenship or residency verification is required for purchase of insurance in the Health Insurance Exchange,” the letter says. They also want Pelosi to push for the House’s version of the public option in a conference with the Senate — and insist that it be included without a trigger or opt-out provision.

A group of House Democrats are working with Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, the assistant to the speaker, to add language that would bring the House’s treatment of the issue closer to the Senate. The Senate Finance Committee’s version of the bill prohibits undocumented workers from buying insurance through the exchange.

It appears that the Blue Dogs may have two big fights on their hands.  If Republicans win today’s elections, they will have even more motivation to stick to their guns.  A radical Democratic agenda that funds abortions and provides access to a government-run health-care system to illegal immigrats will spell electoral disaster for them in 2010.  They can’t afford to be seen as acquiescing to Nancy Pelosi on either if they expect to remain competitive in their home districts next year — and even if they do push back, they may not stand much of a chance anyway.

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Damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Schadenfreude when it happens to the other side.

Kafir on November 3, 2009 at 3:08 PM

HTML fail worthy of Ace, Ed. :P

lorien1973 on November 3, 2009 at 3:09 PM

“I will continue whipping my colleagues”.

Democrats getting whipped? With a horsewhip, I hope.

Can I play?

I’d risk throwing out my arm, to flay a Democrat.

All except for Barney Frank. He’d enjoy it.

NoDonkey on November 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM

We saving page space ed? lol

csdeven on November 3, 2009 at 3:11 PM

BIG FONT, leetle font, BIG FONT, leetle font.

Bishop on November 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Ed, what is with the funky fonts?

Count to 10 on November 3, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Ed, what is with the funky fonts?

Count to 10 on November 3, 2009 at 3:13 PM

He’s whispering parts of the article.

Doughboy on November 3, 2009 at 3:15 PM

These conservative social issues will kill the Democratic Party! They’d better all line up behind Pelosi and vote for abortion coverage in the bill or they’re doomed in the next election.

/s

mankai on November 3, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Anything to abort the bill is welcome to me.

fourdeucer on November 3, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Am I supposed to hold a hand over an eye as I read this?

WashJeff on November 3, 2009 at 3:16 PM

You are seeing the ineveitable meltdown of the Dem Coalition.

They were brought together by being Anti Bush… and now their differing Agendas will tear them apart as they try to decide WHO will rule.

Abortion, Fiscal Policy, Anti War sentiments, immigration, Cap and Trade… all of these will drive wedges amongst the Dems.

Romeo13 on November 3, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Can anyone say Blue Red Dogs?

Sweetness0726 on November 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I thought The Whine said there would be no illegal alien healthcare or taxpayer funded abortion? Did Dear Liar lie yet again?

rbj on November 3, 2009 at 3:21 PM

A friend of mine told me a flyer was distributed in all Catholic churches this past weekend to tell Catholics to call Congress to tell them to remove abortion funding from the health care reform bill.

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=34735

Does anybody know which church Nancy Pelosi attended this past weekend?

We all want to know what Nancy Pelosi’s reaction was when she received the flyer from her priest!!!

wren on November 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM

If this were Republicans it would be a “civil war.” Since it’s Democrats it’s just “a rich tapestry of viewpoints.”

Cicero43 on November 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM

These conservative social issues will kill the Democratic Party! They’d better all line up behind Pelosi and vote for abortion coverage in the bill or they’re doomed in the next election.

/s

mankai on November 3, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Exactly…even as AP proclaims the lesson learnt from NY-23 is that social conservatives are the expendable ones.

Chris_Balsz on November 3, 2009 at 3:27 PM

We all want to know what Nancy Pelosi’s reaction was when she received the flyer from her priest!!!

wren on November 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM

There was no flyer in our bulletin or any other advice about the health care bill.

fourdeucer on November 3, 2009 at 3:27 PM

When Rep Wilson accused Obama of lying, the State Media universally called *him* a liar.

And yet Rep Wilson’s outburst actually got the Dems to consider whether or not they want to have their bill cover illegals – which they are still pondering.

So where are the State Media apologies to the man?

18-1 on November 3, 2009 at 3:30 PM

It is most fun to watch these vultures tear each other up.
I hope it continues. They are falling all over themselves to find the one thing that will save their seat next year.
The morons still don’t get that they are chasing their tail and destroying their party in the process.
Pass the popcorn.
The only thing that could make it better is if the Reps had a clue but I’ve pretty much given up on that.

ORconservative on November 3, 2009 at 3:31 PM

We saving page space ed? lol

csdeven on November 3, 2009 at 3:11 PM

The font size has gone the way of liberals’ balls.

Schadenfreude on November 3, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Blue on Blue, circular firing squad.

MarkTheGreat on November 3, 2009 at 3:32 PM

You are seeing the ineveitable meltdown of the Dem Coalition.

Romeo13 on November 3, 2009 at 3:16 PM

I thought we were seeing the melt down of the Hot Air server.

MarkTheGreat on November 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM

wren on November 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM

No flyer in my parish this week, although October was Respect Fo Life month in the Catholic church and homilies leaned heavily on the issue of abortion and resect for life “at all stages”.

Trafalgar on November 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Sorry, Respect For Life month. Must have been channeling cousin Pookie

Trafalgar on November 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM

The chairs of the Progressive, Black, Hispanic and Asian Pacific Islander caucuses sent a letter to House Speaker Pelosi Monday pushing back against attempts to exclude undocumented workers

There you have it.

They are all united against Whitey.

pseudonominus on November 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM

The Blue Dogs are between a rock and a hard place. The “progressives” want abortion and illegal alien care. PERIOD.

The Blue Dogs will back legislation like this at their own peril. The question then becomes one of their willingness to fall on their political sword and die for Nancy Pelosi.

I think NOT!

GarandFan on November 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM

The chairs of the Progressive, Black, Hispanic and Asian Pacific Islander caucuses sent a letter to House Speaker Pelosi Monday pushing back against attempts to exclude undocumented workers

Now WHY would they want to do that…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 3, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Obama: I wouldn’t want any young girl punished with a baby!

So he’ll spend Government money to kill the babies!

Sounds a lot like a “solution” adopted by a certain German Kanzler in the 1930′s and early 1940′s…

Steve Z on November 3, 2009 at 3:55 PM

It seems to me that the difficulty in drafting language that would satisfy Pro-Life Democrats proves that the Pro-Choice Dems want to use Federal Funds for abortion. It would be quite simple to write a simple prohibition against the use of Federal money for abortion…the problem is writing a loophole sufficiently subtle to trick (or allow willful blindness by)the pro-Life Dems.

This whole process is one fraud after another.

Blaise on November 3, 2009 at 4:02 PM

It seems to me that the difficulty in drafting language that would satisfy Pro-Life Democrats proves that the Pro-Choice Dems want to use Federal Funds for abortion. It would be quite simple to write a simple prohibition against the use of Federal money for abortion…the problem is writing a loophole sufficiently subtle to trick (or allow willful blindness by)the pro-Life Dems.

This whole process is one fraud after another.

Exactly. This whole thing is a sham of epic proportions.

JusDreamin on November 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Abortion is literally the “blood in the water” for the Demo sharks. They will go into a frenzy and eat each other…I can only hope and pray…

lovingmyUSA on November 3, 2009 at 5:54 PM

I see dems negotiating with dems but not reaching out across the isle, maybe thats what we’re supposed to do when we retake everything.

huckelberry on November 3, 2009 at 5:55 PM

According to a National Right To Life review the Ellsworth Amendment doesn’t address the key issues re:abortion in the dems bill.

They say:

“(1) the new federal government insurance program, the “public option,” would still be explicitly authorized to pay for all elective abortions by language on page 110 of the bill; and

(2) the federal premium subsidies (“affordability credits”) could still be used to purchase private health plans that cover elective abortion.”

Vera on November 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM

A friend of mine told me a flyer was distributed in all Catholic churches this past weekend to tell Catholics to call Congress to tell them to remove abortion funding from the health care reform bill.
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=34735

Does anybody know which church Nancy Pelosi attended this past weekend?
We all want to know what Nancy Pelosi’s reaction was when she received the flyer from her priest!!!

wren on November 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM

This happened at the Mass my sister attended in Henderson KY. The Mass was dedicated to Obama and the Priest asked everyone to pray for Obama and universal healthcare…. but demand that abortion is not covered.

oceansidecon on November 3, 2009 at 7:30 PM