Planned Parenthood director quits after watching abortion ultrasound

posted at 3:00 pm on November 2, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

After eight years working at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Bryan, Texas, including two years as its director, Abby Johnson suddenly decided that she could no longer participate in abortions. What pushed Johnson out was both an ultrasound of an abortion and a renewed emphasis on the cash-generating business in the failing economy. After being told to deemphasize prevention and market for abortions, Johnson finally had enough:

According to Johnson, the non-profit was struggling under the weight of a tough economy, and changing it’s business model from one that pushed prevention, to one that focused on abortion.

“It seemed like maybe that’s not what a lot of people were believing any more because that’s not where the money was. The money wasn’t in family planning, the money wasn’t in prevention, the money was in abortion and so I had a problem with that,” said Johnson.

Johnson said she was told to bring in more women who wanted abortions, something the Episcopalian church goer recently became convicted about. …

Johnson now supports the Coalition For Life, the pro-life group with a building down the street from Planned Parenthood. Coalition volunteers can regularly be seen praying on the sidewalk in front of Planned Parenthood. Johnson has been meeting with the coalition’s executive director, Shawn Carney, and has prayed with volunteers outside Planned Parenthood.

The television station has video of Johnson’s interview at the link, so be sure to watch it.

What was the reaction of Planned Parenthood?  They sued Johnson and the Coalition for Life and filed restraining orders against both.  They claim that Johnson and the CFL wanted to breach the confidentiality of their clients, but nothing in the KBTX report indicates that Johnson had any such intention.  In fact, Johnson was unaware of the suit when KBTX’s report went to air last night.

It doesn’t surprise me to see Planned Parenthood pressure its offices to push abortions harder.  That’s their core business, after all, and with less money flowing into the abortion mills, they need to market it more aggressively.  It does remove the veneer of “community service” that PP claims while defending themselves, however.  They’re in the mass-production abortion business, plain and simple, which Johnson finally discovered.


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I also ask “pro-choice” people… have you ever watched an abortion?

mankai on November 2, 2009 at 3:02 PM

always not also

D’oh!

mankai on November 2, 2009 at 3:03 PM

There is hope.

publiuspen on November 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Killing babies for fun and profit.

faraway on November 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM

That’s their core business, after all, and with less money flowing into the abortion mills, they need to market it more aggressively.

Pelosicare = Abortion Mill Bailout

mankai on November 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Praise God.

Niere on November 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM

liberals are disgusting human debris.

moonbatkiller on November 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM

What can you say about something like this.

She is going to be haunted by the memories of eveything she has ever had happen around her. And only she can ask for forgiveness.

upinak on November 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM

She’d be well advised to look over her shoulder for the rest of her life, you know how commies react to traitors in their midst. At the very least they’ll show up on her doorstep for some kind of “intervention.” Publicly, they’ll attempt to smear her as mentally ill.

Sharke on November 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I saw my daughter’s ultrasound at 10 weeks. Arms, legs, squirming around.

I can’t imagine how anyone could be OK with abortion after seeing an ultrasound of a child and I really don’t know how anyone could stomach an ultrasound of an abortion, unless they are a sociopath.

NoDonkey on November 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM

This issue has nothing to do wit religion. It has everything to do with basic human rights. Either you are for them or against them. That simple.

tetriskid on November 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM

But…but…it’s the FREE MARKET! XP

Orange Doorhinge on November 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Good for her.

cs89 on November 2, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Bryan/College Station, home of Texas A&M University, only has about 200,000 residents. Outside of the abortion issue, there isn’t a huge target audience to market to.

txag92 on November 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM

So sad. I’m glad she changed her mind about abortion (as I did a few years ago).

LASue on November 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM

For those not familiar with the area, Bryan is a “twin city” with College Station, just about the most conservative “college town” around. This PP location is amongst the most protested in the nation and Coalition For Life is a constant pain for them.

CDeb on November 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM

If only libs would put as much effort behind killing our enemies as killing babies we would win in Afganistan.

farright on November 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM

What else could one expect when you work in a human slaughter house for any extended period of time.

rplat on November 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Ms. Johnson mustn’t have gotten the memo that the abortion debate is over./sarcasm

This is wonderful news.

The sad news still remains. There are “doctors” that still peform these “reproductive services” and bringing in tons of cash.

Oh, the evil that men can do.

Lord Jesus, please come back soon.

shick on November 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Abortion clinics=modern day ovens and gas chambers. They are mass murder centers.

wildcat84 on November 2, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I also ask “pro-choice” people… have you ever watched an abortion?

mankai on November 2, 2009 at 3:02 PM

I saw a pamphlet once, when I was in 9th or 10th grade. The pictures were horrific enough.

NickelAndDime on November 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Watch an ultrasound of an abortion? Ugh…I would rather floss with razor wire.

Hey you libs, isn’t an unborn child just a lump of tissue until it takes its first breath? You should show late term abortions on Discovery channel, or maybe Oprah could get preggers and have one, show the audience how the “lump” gets removed.

Bishop on November 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM

May all the murdered babies rest in peace.

SouthernGent on November 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM

She is going to be haunted by the memories of eveything she has ever had happen around her. And only she can ask for forgiveness.

upinak on November 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Well said.

Thankfully the Lord Jesus forgives even acts like these if only people would turn from their sin and believe in him.

shick on November 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Well said.

Thankfully the Lord Jesus forgives even acts like these if only people would turn from their sin and believe in him.

shick on November 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM

amen!! I am thankful she spoke out.

deidre on November 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Its not uncommon for people to go vegan after seeing how the sausage is made.

DJ Rick on November 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM

It was a picture of an aborted baby I saw when I was in the 6th grade which, in my 20s, convinced me to give birth to and raise my firstborn.

Diane on November 2, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Some people have to learn the hard way.

CurtZHP on November 2, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Praise God.

Niere on November 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Amen

Chris_Balsz on November 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM

The very thought of an ultrasound of an abortion is grotesque. Even more grotesque than making the taxpayer foot the bill for abortion being used as a birth control method in Pelosicare.

pedestrian on November 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM

How do they (PP) think that suing this poor woman is a winning strategy? Why in the world do they want to focus on this poor woman and her experience? They will not come off well in this argument.

Cindy Munford on November 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM

You pray and pray and pray and pray and when doubt creeps in you learn about the Abby Johnson’s of the world.

Her second thoughts just renewed my faith for another 12 months of silent prayer at the clinic one day a week.

gabriel sutherland on November 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Slowly but surely people are coming around to the fact that abortion is not birth control, it’s horrific.

uknowmorethanme on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

The very thought of an ultrasound of an abortion is grotesque. Even more grotesque than making the taxpayer foot the bill for abortion being used as a birth control method in Pelosicare.

pedestrian on November 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM

That’s pretty much a ‘snuff film’ isn’t it?

thomasaur on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Okay, I must be a glutton for punishment, but here goes:

How about we take a little twig of olive on the subject and cut with the hot-under-the-collar rhetoric?

A single-celled zygote is not a baby
An eight-celled zygote is not a baby
A one-hundred celled zygote is not a baby
A four-week fetus is not a baby…..

But certainly a 22 week fetus IS a baby.

Is it possible that it could be okay for the adult with the most to lose in this situation should be able to decide for herself when SHE considers her fetus to be a baby?

IMHO that would be a reasonable Libertarian stance to take.

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I know a couple who can’t have children of their own, who are ready to spend $40,000 to adopt a child from Russia.

There are so many people in this country who want to be parents to these children, abortion is completely unnecessary.

There is no such thing as an “unwanted” baby.

NoDonkey on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

This issue has nothing to do wit religion. It has everything to do with basic human rights. Either you are for them or against them. That simple.

tetriskid on November 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM

This should indeed be the case – basic science and elementary logic should lead everyone to the conclusion that abortion is unjustifiable barbarism – unfortunately people are able to completely blind themselves to the facts and justify this atrocity. It very often takes an act of God to make the blindfold fall.

neuquenguy on November 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Amazing when seeing the killing of a living and growing being will do to a person.

fbcmusicman on November 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Q: When does the heart start beating in a fetus?

A: 22 Days

pseudonominus on November 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM

pseudonominus

Chickens have heartbeats. Doesn’t meet my definition of a baby.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Says the individual who at one point was aa a single-celled zygote.

You can try and rationalize evil all you want and you can do it in dozens of ways clever enough to distract you from the issue that a life full of joy, of friends, family and wonder, is being snuffed out of existence.

At the end, that’s all it is. Rationalizing.

NoDonkey on November 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

*blinks in disbelief*

alexraye on November 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Is it possible that it could be okay for the adult with the most to lose in this situation should be able to decide for herself when SHE considers her fetus to be a baby?

IMHO that would be a reasonable Libertarian stance to take.

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Your logic shurly allows for her to “decide” that a 36 wk old fetus is not a baby. If not, why not?

neuquenguy on November 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM

A single-celled zygote is not a baby
An eight-celled zygote is not a baby
A one-hundred celled zygote is not a baby
A four-week fetus is not a baby…..

But these things are all living human tissue and if left alone will more often than not become human beings.

thomasaur on November 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Mark Twain said it best, “History doesn’t repeat itself, it rhymes.”

One of the main argument the pro-abortion /pro-choice side uses, sounds eerily similar to the argument the South used to justify slavery. If you can dehumanize something, you can pretty much do whatever you want to, to it.

In 100 years from now, we’re going to look at abortion the same way we do slavery now, and we’ll look at what we did to our unborn with horror and disbelief, like we do at slavery now.

I hope.

Fish on November 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Is it possible that it could be okay for the adult with the most to lose in this situation should be able to decide for herself when SHE considers her fetus to be a baby?

If she decides the fetus is not a baby the day before her due date, then what?

Bishop on November 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM

May the Lord keep her safe. Spiritually, there’s one serious party going on right now in heaven. Physically, she will have to spend the rest of her life watching out for car bombs, booby-traps, tainted mail and assassins.

Dark-Star on November 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM

I bet only one news network will cover this.

RobCon on November 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM

I would have to work very hard to conjure up a molecule of sympathy for someone who was involved in killing babies for 8 years and suddenly realized that those babies were actually babies. It makes me sick to see her say, with a smile, “I feel so pure . . . in heart! I don’t have this guilt; I don’t have this burden.” If she truly does not feel guilt for all the murders she’s enabled, she’s even sicker than I initially assumed. Owning one’s guilt and a big dose of sober humility is what’s needed, not smiley “I feel so good about myself” TV interviews.

Splashman on November 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

A single-celled zygote is not a baby . Why not?
An eight-celled zygote is not a babyWhy not?
A one-hundred celled zygote is not a babyWhy not?
A four-week fetus is not a baby…..Why not?

But certainly a 22 week fetus IS a baby. Why? What makes you so certain?

It’s sad to point out that most abortions take place well after the 22nd week.

shick on November 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM

The Episcopal Church actually supports abortion. The head of the seminary in Cambridge, MA has called abortion doctors “saints”, and has volunteered her personal time at a clinic to do the work of God (aka, killing infants.

Ms Johnson has possibly been given a gift by the Holy Spirit. If only more people involved would walk away from the death mills of Planned Parenthood and get on the righteous side of this issue.

Hening on November 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM

I bet only one news network will cover this.

RobCon on November 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM

The WH says that they’re not a news network.

thomasaur on November 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Chickens have heartbeats. Doesn’t meet my definition of a baby.
zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Frogs have feet and eyes, I’ll bet they don’t fit your definition of a baby either.

*rolls eyes so fast they pop out onto desk*

Bishop on November 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM

IMHO that would be a reasonable Libertarian stance to take.

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Heretic. Letting people decide things on their own.

lorien1973 on November 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Okay, I must be a glutton for punishment, but here goes:

How about we take a little twig of olive on the subject and cut with the hot-under-the-collar rhetoric?

A single-celled zygote is not a baby
An eight-celled zygote is not a baby
A one-hundred celled zygote is not a baby
A four-week fetus is not a baby…..

But certainly a 22 week fetus IS a baby.

Is it possible that it could be okay for the adult with the most to lose in this situation should be able to decide for herself when SHE considers her fetus to be a baby?

IMHO that would be a reasonable Libertarian stance to take.

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

If it’s growing and someone takes it into their own hands to stop it from growing that is then known as killing.

I explained this to a teenager once. He mowed lawns for a summer job. He said that if he got her girlfriend pregnant he would make her get an abortion because it really wasn’t a baby, just a blob of stuff.

I explained it like this. When he would cut lawns, what would happen to all the “clippings”? Would they continue to live and grow or would they die because he cut it from it’s life source.

“The clippings would die and rot”, he said.

I then explained that to stop anything from growing is killing.

The look on his face was priceless when he realized what an abortion really was, the killing of a growing being.

fbcmusicman on November 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Is it possible that it could be okay for the adult with the most to lose in this situation should be able to decide for herself when SHE considers her fetus to be a baby?

IMHO that would be a reasonable Libertarian stance to take.

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I’ll try a little reason.

What makes a 22 week fetus “certainly a baby”? What about a 21 week fetus?

Abby Adams on November 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM

How this doesn’t creep anyone out is beyond me.

I know is a store they expect you to “Sell, Sell, Sell”

But to tell employees, go out there, get girls in a tough situation and “Kill, Kill, Kill” can’t seem right to anyone.

pseudonominus on November 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM

I think the better question is, When does a heart start beating in a Lib?

Rbastid on November 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM

It took her this long?? The lady is not terribly bright.

Gaunilon on November 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Is it possible that it could be okay for the adult with the most to lose in this situation should be able to decide for herself when SHE considers her fetus to be a baby?

IMHO that would be a reasonable Libertarian stance to take.

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

At some point, that thing in her belly is a unique human being. At that point, killing it is murder. One reasonable view would say that the fetus is a human when it has its own unique DNA. When is that? Around week 6.

Do you support allowing people to choose when it’s ok to kill adults, or just infants?

hawksruleva on November 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM

shurly
neuquenguy on November 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM

my new word of the day, you may replace with surely if you wish ;)

neuquenguy on November 2, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Is it possible that it could be okay for the adult with the most to lose in this situation should be able to decide for herself when SHE considers her fetus to be a baby?

IMHO that would be a reasonable Libertarian stance to take.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I fail to understand why this is only the “reasonable” approach to a living being inside a woman. The time when a creature should be safest is the one time we’ve let women decide if something is human or not and terminate it based on their own decision, which is generally born more out of “convenience” than any actual soul searching.

Also, the 22 week definition is arbitrary, tied directly to our current technological advances, not to any separate understand of when life begins.

Esthier on November 2, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Is it possible that it could be okay for the adult with the most to lose in this situation should be able to decide for herself when SHE considers her fetus to be a baby?

IMHO that would be a reasonable Libertarian stance to take.

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

There is the question of what age we grant the right to live to the child. After that, it becomes homicide, and you have to work out under which circumstances it is justifiable homicide.

I guess this would come down to whether libertarians value one right over another.

Count to 10 on November 2, 2009 at 3:26 PM

A single-celled zygote is not a baby
An eight-celled zygote is not a baby
A one-hundred celled zygote is not a baby
A four-week fetus is not a baby…..

But certainly a 22 week fetus IS a baby.

Why? What makes a fetus become a baby? What second does it happen? Since it’s hard to determine the exact day of fertilization, how can know the exact date of 22 weeks?

mankai on November 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM

According to Johnson, the non-profit was struggling under the weight of a tough economy, and changing it’s business model from one that pushed prevention, to one that focused on abortion.

Praise God for causing the recession to save the lives of his children. He do work in myterious ways.

Rovin on November 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Chickens have heartbeats. Doesn’t meet my definition of a baby.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Doesn’t meet your definition? But it does mine. Perhaps you think that reality is based on what we individually define it as. What if someone’s definition of a human being didn’t include some characteristic that you do or do not possess.

Have you seen the video of an abortion?

shick on November 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM

The look on his face was priceless when he realized what an abortion really was, the killing of a growing being.

fbcmusicman on November 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM

That look could have been because of his first exposure to what is called “critical thinking”.

hawksruleva on November 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM

What about a 21 week fetus?

Abby Adams on November 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM

It hasn’t taken the official ‘baby finals test’ yet.

thomasaur on November 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Have you watched an abortion?

mankai on November 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM

I’ll probably regret admitting this here but I confess to be very conflicted on abortion, not personally, but generally. But this is pretty damning for the abortion movement and planned parenthood. This woman needs to get her message and experience out far and wide. Planned Parenthood is evil.

Monica on November 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM

myterious = mysterious

Rovin on November 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Chickens have heartbeats. Doesn’t meet my definition of a baby.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Damn, that’s stupid.

mankai on November 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Heretic. Letting people decide things on their own.

lorien1973 on November 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Stop with the snark. Those against abortion agree with you but feel pro-choicers aren’t considering all involved parties.

You don’t even consider the men. They don’t get this second chance to keep themselves from “being punished with a baby.”

Esthier on November 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM

One reasonable view would say that the fetus is a human when it has its own unique DNA. When is that? Around week 6.

Do you support allowing people to choose when it’s ok to kill adults, or just infants?

hawksruleva on November 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM

?
“its own unigue DNA” is close to the only thing it has at conception. Do you mean something else that happens at week 6?

Count to 10 on November 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Abortion should not be used akin to a condom or a pill. It should only be done in the case of incest, rape, or dire-emergency for the health of the mother.

If you don’t want children, don’t do the act.

Abortion is a practical medical tool in all the situations listed above, but it is taking beyond the scope of its intent into a radical contraceptive, and that’s simply disgusting.

I remember an old news story of a woman who became pregnant, and she was happy–until she found out she was having twins. So she had one of the twins aborted–not because she couldn’t afford the extra child (she could), or that the child was hurting her or the other baby, but because she simply didn’t want two kids.

I don’t know how such a person could live with themselves, let alone explain to their child when it’s grown up that she killed their twin.

Repulsing.

Enoxo on November 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Abby Johnson,
Welcome aboard.

antisocial on November 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Your logic shurly allows for her to “decide” that a 36 wk old fetus is not a baby. If not, why not?

neuquenguy on November 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM

A very intelligent question, and one I’m happy to be allowed to answer.

I personally think that the absolute latest point that it should be legal to have an abortion is just prior to when the nervous system of the developing fetus is activated– approximately 16 weeks. At that point to me the “rights” of the extant fetus out weigh the rights of the carrying adult. I would favor legislation that restricted abortions after 15 weeks.

The vast majority of abortions are conducted in the early window of 8 to 12 weeks — so legislation to that effect would not be likely to affect the large body of the abortions currently occurring.

I realize that most people who are against abortion rights are against all types, up to and including the “morning-after” pill, as the sole purpose of the abortion pill is to cause the sloughing of any tiny zygote which might have formed. Am I wrong?

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Praise God for causing the recession to save the lives of his children. He do work in myterious ways.

Rovin on November 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM

The recession was causing them a loss so they wanted to kill more babies to make money. They don’t make money by using prevention.

Rbastid on November 2, 2009 at 3:30 PM

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

2 quotes that are apropro here:

1. IF IT’S NOT A BABY THEN YOU AREN’T PREGNANT

2. Everyone who has ever purchased condoms knows exactly
when life begins.

mrsmwp on November 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I’m reminded of the stories I’ve heard from various WW II US veterans of how they had to march the German populace through the liberated concentration camps for the magnitude of slaughter to sink in. It always boils down to how much Socialism is willing to dehumanize the human for convenience.

One of the ploys of the abortion death cult is to relabel the unborn as a “fetus.” As though the cold, clinical Latin term can make the human less human… an expendable Untermensch.

Fetus means “offspring.” Always beware those whom would deny that which could only be human as something not human. That mentality killed both known and unknown millions for mere convenience during the 20th century and continues that tradition today. For convenience.

viking01 on November 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM

If she truly does not feel guilt for all the murders she’s enabled, she’s even sicker than I initially assumed. Owning one’s guilt and a big dose of sober humility is what’s needed, not smiley “I feel so good about myself” TV interviews.

Splashman on November 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Are you a Christian? The Bible is very clear about guilt, and it serves a Christian no purpose if the sin has already been admitted and forgiven.

Esthier on November 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Heavenly Father,
May all the tiny souls who fly to you too soon be cradled in your loving arms and comforted through eternity.

SKYFOX on November 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM

A single-celled zygote is not a baby

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Define “baby”. A single-celled zygote is the first creation of a new human being. That single cell is no less of an individual human life than a fetus, an infant, an adolescent or a geezer. If you disagree, what is the medical or philosophical basis for your belief that a zygote is not a human being?

Chickens have heartbeats. Doesn’t meet my definition of a baby.

Chickens also have a brain, skin, eyes. Are you arguing that since a chicken is not a human then a human is not a human?

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Tuning Spork on November 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM

It took her this long?? The lady is not terribly bright.

Gaunilon on November 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM

It’s not a brain problem but a heart problem.

shick on November 2, 2009 at 3:33 PM

2. Everyone who has ever purchased condoms knows exactly
when life begins.

It begins when the condom breaks, or you skipped a pill, or the cervical cap was on wrong….

sheesh. On one hand you say “do the deed and take the consequences” and on the other you say “use protection and that will surely work”

Just crazy.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Amazing how mindsets can be affected when empirical evidence is introduced. No wonder pro-abortionists go all Rumplestiltskin over showing abortion graphics.

Veritas on November 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM

I personally think that the absolute latest point that it should be legal to have an abortion is just prior to when the nervous system of the developing fetus is activated– approximately 16 weeks. At that point to me the “rights” of the extant fetus out weigh the rights of the carrying adult. I would favor legislation that restricted abortions after 15 weeks.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Why would you impose this on the mother? after all, this is just what you “personally think”. What if the mother doesn’t agree with you, wouldn’t the “libertarian” thing to do be to let her decide for herself when and why she considers the fetus a baby?

neuquenguy on November 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Any response will contain more reason than the argument that was given.

I reject all of your assumptions as false. Life begins when the egg is fertilized.

Gee, here’s an idea: How about NOT having unprotected sex?
Or does that run too counter to your ‘free and easy’ lifestyle?

Timothy S. Carlson on November 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I personally think that the absolute latest point that it should be legal to have an abortion is just prior to when the nervous system of the developing fetus is activated– approximately 16 weeks. At that point to me the “rights” of the extant fetus out weigh the rights of the carrying adult. I would favor legislation that restricted abortions after 15 weeks.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM

That seems rather arbitrary, but then, you seemingly don’t believe what you just said earlier, that the woman should get to decide when she considers the fetus a baby, because many women have and will decide the thing inside isn’t ever a baby.

Personally, I don’t want it illegal. I want it to be the ultimate social taboo, something our ancestors look back on the same way we look at slavery.

Esthier on November 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM

It begins when the condom breaks…

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM

That’s the point.

mankai on November 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Awesomely awesome.

bigjack on November 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM

IMHO that would be a reasonable Libertarian stance to take.

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

There is NOTHING libertarian about me being forced to pay for a strangers abortion.

Amadeus on November 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Abortion should not be used akin to a condom or a pill. It should only be done in the case of incest, rape, or dire-emergency for the health of the mother.

[snip]

Abortion is a practical medical tool in all the situations listed above…

[snip]

I don’t know how such a person could live with themselves, let alone explain to their child when it’s grown up that she killed their twin.

Repulsing.

Enoxo on November 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Your reasoning is entirely arbitrary. What makes abortion a “practical medical tool” in some situations but “repulsing” in others? Answer: your current opinion.

Either abortion is murder, and wrong in every single instance, or it is not murder, and you’ve got no business telling other people what to do with their lump of tissue, or even opining on the subject.

Abortion is murder in its most vile form.

Splashman on November 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Amazing how mindsets can be affected when empirical evidence is introduced. No wonder pro-abortionists go all Rumplestiltskin over showing abortion graphics.

Veritas on November 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM

I’m not sure that watching an abortion wouldn’t send me into a fit of blind rage.
Admittedly, I’m not keen on watching an execution either.

Count to 10 on November 2, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Define “baby”. A single-celled zygote is the first creation of a new human being.

I gave what I thought was a well-explained functional definition above. It’s not whim — I’ve actually put quite a lot of thought into it, and that’s my answer. A “person” that does not have a central nervous systems is not a “person” — a “hoped-for” person, perhaps, but not an *actual existing* person.

For a group of people that love to quote about how important intellectual freedom is to you, you don’t really hold very much with others rights to hold different opinions.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:39 PM

That’s the point.

mankai on November 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Thank you. I didn’t think the quote was that complicated!

mrsmwp on November 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Personally, I don’t want it illegal. I want it to be the ultimate social taboo, something our ancestors look back on the same way we look at slavery.

Esthier on November 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I agree with your desire for abortion to be the ultimate taboo. But just curious, how do you feel about slavery being ilegal?

neuquenguy on November 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Since the abomination that was Roe vs. Wade, over 50 million abortions have occurred in America.
Some day every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess.

mountainmanbob on November 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Not that there is liable to be much reason in the response I’m going to get.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Any response will contain more reason than the argument that was given.

I reject all of your assumptions as false. Life begins when the egg is fertilized.

Timothy S. Carlson on November 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Exactly, Timothy.
That is when Life begins and when the fertilized egg (embryo) begins to produce the DNA that will make the baby an utterly unique human being.

What’s so sad is that while “zenscreamer” has arbitrarily decided that Life in the womb begins at 22 weeks, Obama couldn’t even make that choice because it was “above his pay grade.”
So said the man who voted 3 times against assisting babies who’d been born alive in spite of being aborted.

Jenfidel on November 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM

sheesh. On one hand you say “do the deed and take the consequences” and on the other you say “use protection and that will surely work”

Just crazy.

zenscreamer on November 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM

No one says that. No contraceptive is 100%, and when taken improperly most fail to even be 80% effective, though one missed pill is rarely the problem, same with one broken condom. It can happen, but then women can also get pregnant while taking the pill the way it’s supposed to be taken.

However, if we accept that life is created when those mistakes occur, then it’s the rights of that life that are at stake. If we don’t, then there’s no reason to use another method of contraception anyway except as a cost saver.

Esthier on November 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Wait until they start supplying clients with defective contraceptives and leaky condoms at sponsored orgies.

Get two abortions and the third one is free!

Bring us a friend and get 25% off your abortion!

Sign up for our second trimester special; two years of free STD testing!

A good marketing campaign for these people would be akin to expanding the gas chambers at Auschwitz.

michaelo on November 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM

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