An anniversary to forget, and to remember

posted at 1:30 pm on November 2, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Thirty years ago today, American prestige and credibility hit its nadir when we allowed Iran to sack our embassy in Tehran and hold dozens of Americans hostage for 444 days.  Normally, that would be considered an act of war, but the newly-formed radical Islamist government in Tehran outboxed the Jimmy Carter administration from November 4th, 1979, until his final day in office — when Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini knew he’d have to deal with Ronald Reagan.  As the last man captured by the Iranians that day explains, the US practically gave a lesson in Terrorism 101 to a few people who had begun to agitate for a worldwide, radical Islamist dictatorship:

Kupke has long said the hostage crisis set a bad precedent for the United States’ handling of terrorism.

“The summer of ’79, Osama bin Laden graduates . . . and goes to Afghanistan to form his base,” he said. “What do you figure bin Laden is doing when the U.S. can’t resolve the Iran hostage crisis? We let it go on and on and on until 1981.

“What insights do you think we gave him about pulling off terrorist activities? Do you think we taught him something like Terrorism 101?” …

By September 1980, war had broken out between Iraq and Iran; in November, Ronald Reagan was elected president.

Eventually, Kupke and fellow hostages were taken to their last stop — a room in the mountains with a picture window and private bathroom — to get ready for their release.

By then, the shah had died and U.S. officials had agreed to release $8 billion in frozen Iranian assets — an action that bothers some hostages to this day.

Yes, we did teach the radical Islamists a lesson thirty years ago today, and every one of the 443 days that followed.  We taught them that the Carter administration would allow the US to get led by its nose rather than respond appropriately to an act of war.  Unfortunately, that lesson would get reinforced throughout the 1980s and 1990s by Republican and Democratic presidents, in Lebanon as well as in Aden, Tanzania, Kenya, Khobar Towers, and the World Trade Center in 1993.  Only after the 9/11 attacks did we try teaching them a different lesson, and now many want to fall back to the same approach that led to the lengthy string of terrorist attacks on the US and its assets around the world.

We’d like to forget the Iranian hostage crisis, except that our policymakers seem intent on forgetting its lessons.  That’s why Kupke’s observation should be highlighted today, on the thirtieth anniversary of his abduction and the complete failure of the US to properly address it.  If we forget it, we’ll be doomed to repeat it.

Update: It’s also the fifth anniversary of the murder of Theo Van Gogh — and as HA reader/commenter WriterMom says, they are related.

Update II: Don’t know why I wrote November4th.  It was, and is, November 2nd.

Update II: Yeah, I had it right the first time.  Wednesday is the anniversary; McClatchy is covering it all week.  Sorry for the confusion.

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Thank you President Carter for insuring Ronald Reagan’s election.

BottomLine5 on November 2, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Carter didn’t have the oratory excellence of Ogabe as epitomized by his Cairo Speech, if he had things would have turned out better.

Bishop on November 2, 2009 at 1:33 PM

We should bomb Tehran into rubble as an anniversary present for Iran and the hostage-taking president, Ahmanutjob. I’m not joking. It would be nice if The Precedent was on one of his World Traitor Tour appearances there while it happened.

progressoverpeace on November 2, 2009 at 1:34 PM

With Jimmy Carter 2.0 in the Whine House, I’m afraid we are doomed to repeat it.

txag92 on November 2, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Perhaps Obooboo can read yet another speech off of TOTUS to celebrate this event and invite the Iranians over for boiled peanuts afterwards.

He can recycle one of his old speeches, just substitute “hostages” for “Hiroshama” and presto, new speech!

NoDonkey on November 2, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Nope, the 4th. I know. I was married the day the hostages were taken.

Chaz on November 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM

And rest assured that should this kind of thing happen again, Obama’s response or handling of it will be even more feckless than that of even This loser, Carter.

TXUS on November 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Chaz on November 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Weren’t we all?

NoDonkey on November 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Carter didn’t have the oratory excellence of Ogabe as epitomized by his Cairo Speech, if he had things would have turned out better.
Bishop on November 2, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Bish, you owe me a monitor…again.

I was a Radio News Director in college during this. I got very tired of saying “The Ayatolla Ruhollah Khomeini” everyday. Did they ever prove that Ahmedinijad was one of the captors? He sure does look like one of them.

kingsjester on November 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Now the Ayatollah’s have a new weakling to lead around by the nose. I don’t see any Reagans in the wings ready to take the lead when the country gets it’s fill of the ‘ONE’, though.

Kuffar on November 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM

bomb bomb bomb– bomb bomb iran… That was funny in 1979.

It got McCain in trouble in 2008. Have we changed? Yes. And not for the better.

Remember when none of us knew where the heck Iran was? And none of us could remember the difference between Iraq and Iran?

petunia on November 2, 2009 at 1:39 PM

bishop, perhaps carter wasn’t as clean either.

hogfat on November 2, 2009 at 1:40 PM

We taught them that the Carter Obama administration would allow the US to get led by its nose rather than respond appropriately to an act of war.

FIFY, Ed.

MarkBoabaca on November 2, 2009 at 1:41 PM

And rest assured that should this kind of thing happen again, Obama’s response or handling of it will be even more feckless than that of even This loser, Carter.

TXUS on November 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama flew a bunch of soldiers over to Iran and just handed them over as a good-will offering.

SouperConservative on November 2, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Jimmah couldn’t even handle a “killer” rabbit, so it’s not surprising that he couldn’t deal with international terrorism.

Mallard T. Drake on November 2, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I was just a kid when all this happened, so my memory of it is not the best. I do remember all the yellow ribbons on all the trees and all the “Free The Hostages” flag stickers that were everywhere.

I remember those stickers still sticking to school lockers years after the hostages had been released. Back in the 80′s no one gave you a problem for having a flag sticker on your locker.

A lot has changed. I shudder to think what would happen if a similar situation were to happen again with this president.

“Those who do not learn from history…”

Niere on November 2, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Had Barry been sitting in Jeremiah Wright’s church on the Sunday after November 4, 1979, he no doubt would have heard the reverend exclaiming that America’s chickens had come home to roost.

Mallard T. Drake on November 2, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Did we send a card?

mojo on November 2, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Let’s see how Oboobi recognizes this anniversary today…

Do I hear crikets….

PatriotRider on November 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM

“You can’t just walk into an American embassy unless you have a slight Iranian accent.”

Barack Earl O’Biden

Christien on November 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM

The day the war on terror started.

RobCon on November 2, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Man, I feel old.

Bob's Kid on November 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM

So, when does Fish Face show up here to say once again that Van Gogh had it coming?

PimFortuynsGhost on November 2, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I remember when Reagan won the election and — poof! — the hostages were coming home. Even liberals were saying, “Well, yeah, I mean Reagan will kick their terrorist little asses and they know it.” It was just the final stroke in the humiliating Carter loss — your guy lost at home, and he’s an international joke. Good times. I’m hoping to re-live them in real time very soon.

Rational Thought on November 2, 2009 at 1:52 PM

FWIW, This was the era that produced the big political revelation in me. I originally came from a very liberal family, but I was a young enlisted soldier at the time of all this. It was a daily embarrassment to be part of the greatest Armed Forces in the world and be utterly helpless to do anything about the hostage crisis. We all would have done anything to help free those Americans. Then, after the Desert 1 fiasco, we were all afraid of what the Carter Administration would try next. And really, we just fell into the mindset that whoever the next president was, “whoever” it was, would be better suited to get them freed. After Ronald Reagan, my fate was sealed as a Conservative.

In his own manner, Jimmah pointed me in that direction. But Ron held the light.

hawkdriver on November 2, 2009 at 1:54 PM

If we forget it, we’ll be doomed to repeat it.

What is there to forget, to the left it never even happened.

fourdeucer on November 2, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Thirty years ago today, American prestige and credibility hit its nadir when we allowed Iran to sack our embassy in Tehran and hold dozens of Americans hostage for 444 days.

Au Contraire, Mon Frere…..we are witnessing the work of the Won. See and Behold, His magnificent work & diligence on re-defining “nadir”…..

dmh0667 on November 2, 2009 at 1:56 PM

This is no logical way the Trolls can snark about this. Iremeber that Jimmah and the gang stayed up all night trying to negotiate the night before the InNauguration. While Regan was taking the oath, the hostages were on their way home. The Ayatollahs knew this man was not going to play their game. I wish we had a full grown man in the White House, instead of the man-child we have now.

kingsjester on November 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Carter was the most pathetic president in our history. From the ashes he left came Reagan. Makes you wonder what evolves from the ashes Obama is destined to leave.

volsense on November 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM

progressoverpeace on November 2, 2009 at 1:34 PM

I personally am really getting tired of all the trouble Islam-’ists’ are stirring up around the world.
They continue to be a pain in the a$$ to all free willed & thinking peoples.
Since they cannot stay home & mind their own business, I agree with you.
Make that desert a huge chunk of amorphous quartz.

Badger40 on November 2, 2009 at 2:00 PM

kingsjester on November 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Sorry, but lefties love snarking about this. It proves their bleeding heart pacifist appeasement bona fides.

For the Iran hostage issue, we will probably see A-jad apologist, Holocaust denier, and child rape enthusiast Dave742 stating that Iran is a much more civilized country under the mullahs, and the US had it coming for supporting the Shah, who favored such evil things like equality for women in the workforce, politics, and education.

For the Van Gogh murder, commenters like Fish Face have argued that since Van Gogh’s Submission was so hurtful to Muslims, he should have been killed. In fact, all white Europeans who harbor negative thoughts towards Islamists should be killed, in his estimation. Patriotism and western civilization are bad, you see, in his deluded opinion.

PimFortuynsGhost on November 2, 2009 at 2:05 PM

It’s funny you brought that up. The only time in history a tersely worded memo from the US to bad guys didn’t set things right…

MarkT on November 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM

With Jimmy Carter 2.0 in the Whine House, I’m afraid we are doomed to repeat it.

txag92 on November 2, 2009 at 1:34 PM

I would say that he is Carter squared, or even cubed.

How long will it be before the next installment of “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”

Perhaps the Obami do actually remember what transpired those thirty years ago and believe in their heart-of-hearts that we deserve that repetition as pennence for our national sins.

turfmann on November 2, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Thirty years ago today, American prestige and credibility hit its nadir when we allowed Iran to sack our embassy in Tehran and hold dozens of Americans hostage for 444 days.

I’m not sure I’d pin this as the nadir. The USS Pueblo incident or the abandonment of Saigon are two incidents that are contenders. Not to mention the whole Blackhawk down debacle.

But I’ll close on a positive. I was at Reagan’s first inaugural and when it was reported that the hostages were free I knew that things were going to get better without Carter in office to muddle things up. Here’s hoping Barry will have to take the walk of shame on 1/20/12 if not sooner.

highhopes on November 2, 2009 at 2:22 PM

I HAVE to wonder how the MM would be covering this if there were a Republican in office. Since we now have Obama in office, you can bet this will be the only place you read about it. Lord knows, you wouldnt want someone to think that history could repeat itself…

mozemoose on November 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM

If Obama bombs Iran, it will be by sending Hillary and Biden over there, at the same time,with Jimah’s blessing. Just the thought of that duo may bring Iran to its knees.

flyoverboy on November 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM

With Jimmy Carter 2.0 in the Whine House, I’m afraid we are doomed to repeat it.

txag92 on November 2, 2009 at 1:34 PM

you got that right….

*shudder*

cmsinaz on November 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM

I remember the whole debacle clearly. We had just found out I was pregnant with our first child, and I was afraid that the draft would be used and my husband called up if things escalated to war. Then the frustration of watching Jimmah sitting with his thumbs up his nether ends, doing nothing.

Mommynator on November 2, 2009 at 2:28 PM

bomb bomb bomb– bomb bomb iran… That was funny in 1979.

It got McCain in trouble in 2008. Have we changed? Yes. And not for the better.

Remember when none of us knew where the heck Iran was? And none of us could remember the difference between Iraq and Iran?

petunia on November 2, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Ah, Vince Vance and the Valiants. I thought that song was hysterical. Then again, in the 70′s I also thought Disco Duck was funny.

I remember Watergate fairly well, but I was too young for it to absorb me. I paid attention to the Carter Ford race, but I got tired of my dad talking about it all the time. However, the Iranian Hostage Crisis was different. It was the first major crisis that really grabbed my attention. I’ve been a news and political junkie since. The five-year period that began thirty years ago today shaped my entire political worldview.

flyfisher on November 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM

flyfisher on November 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Yep.

Quite literally a time of agonizing reappraisals.

hawkdriver on November 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM

I remember it all to well. I was just a kid. My cousin was one of the hostages. We had the local news at our house all the time and whenever my aunt and uncle we on tv our school would stop classes so we could watch. It was a really big deal when he was released.

rushbabe on November 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM

If we forget it, we’ll be doomed to repeat it.

Obama will surpass Carter, manyfold.

Schadenfreude on November 2, 2009 at 2:51 PM

In the NEVER FORGET category, only slightly OT:

New York authorities are investigating a small fire at the temporary home for the remains of thousands of World Trade Center victims.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg says the smoldering fire in a section of the facility’s chapel appeared to have been set intentionally.

Firefighters got a call at about 9 a.m. Saturday to respond to Memorial Park, a weatherproof tent on Manhattan’s East Side where the city is storing the remains of 9/11 victims who have yet to be identified.

The fire damaged a wooden bench and mementos honoring the dead. The remains were not damaged.

The mayor says anyone who would do such a thing “is craven and contemptible.”

Fire marshals and police are investigating.

Akzed on November 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I remember it all to well. I was just a kid. My cousin was one of the hostages. We had the local news at our house all the time and whenever my aunt and uncle we on tv our school would stop classes so we could watch. It was a really big deal when he was released.

rushbabe on November 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Oh wow. For you it was more than a news story.

Years later the daughter of a high level Iranian official in the Shah’s government became my business partner. That era shaped her life as well. To escape oppression she and her siblings were smuggled out of Iran, never to see their family again. They ended up in spending their teen years in the US and became very successful here. Every American ought to have to listen to her give her perspective on the evil Iranian regime. And she disagrees mightily with that twit in Obama’s administration who says sharia law is good for women.

flyfisher on November 2, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Just a kid at the time, I remember praying. Now, too.

publiuspen on November 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Funny what oil does to people, their self respect and sense of what is right.

BL@KBIRD on November 2, 2009 at 3:00 PM

But..but.but.. Barry believes in “smart diplomacy”, and the fact that we (the US) are ALWAYS WRONG.

GarandFan on November 2, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Ed, it’s November 4th, not the 2nd.

redshirt on November 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Ed,

You do know that today is November 2nd, right? The embassy and hostages were taken on the 4th — exactly one year before election day 1980.

Tuning Spork on November 2, 2009 at 3:09 PM

The Iranian hostage crisis was one of the first political memories I have of where I understood everything that was going on – except why the US wasn’t doing anything about it.

That time for me – the gas rationing – the terrorists – it conjures up one solid image – Jimmy Carter.

We already know how the story of a weak US President appeasing Islamic Theocratic Extremists turns out. Why are we trying to make the sequel?

ace tomato on November 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Well, it looks like the New York Times may have repeated the whole scenario by paying ransom to the Taliban for its reporter David Rohde. I expect it is only a matter of time before we see some more higher-level kidnappings and ransom attempts made. It does seem to be a winning strategy for the Islamists, at least while there are Democratic presidents of the U.S.

rockmom on November 2, 2009 at 3:30 PM

I remember the whole debacle clearly. We had just found out I was pregnant with our first child, and I was afraid that the draft would be used and my husband called up if things escalated to war. Then the frustration of watching Jimmah sitting with his thumbs up his nether ends, doing nothing.

Mommynator on November 2, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Wow…me too. I was expecting our first baby and I was so sure that there would be a horrible war with the draft and everything. Then the longer the crisis went on and nothing was done, the more hopeless things seemed to be.

My baby is now grown up, in the Air Force, and on his way to somewhere in Africa to catch some bad guys. He has a wife and kids to worry about. And we have another president who dithers around.

The more things change the more they stay the same I guess. But I sure hope all our people can stay safe wherever they are.

Lily on November 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM

What’s sickening is that we were the ones who created this Frankenstein in the first place…CIA-assisted coups to ensure pro-western leaders in Iran (while initially successful) blew up in our face in the long term, at the worst possible time. And who can blame them? I’d want the same thing to happen if China or Russia tried installing a puppet President.

Never forget about the possible consequences of cloak-and-dagger operations.

Always remember that our military ultimately answers to a bunch of blundering bureaucrats.

Dark-Star on November 2, 2009 at 3:39 PM

The difference between Carter and Obama:

change malaise to malice and I think you’ve got it.

Laura in Maryland on November 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM

I’ve long held that the Global War on Terror amounts to stitching the festering wounds of the Carter years. Reagan had bigger fish to fry, and Clinton had smellier fish to sniff. So if fell to Bush. My biggest fear is that Obama represents Carter II.

Dale Wyckoff on November 2, 2009 at 3:45 PM

As I am sitting here in Iraq now, Americans forget that we still have the three liberal-loving hikers that were taken hostage a few months ago still sitting in Iran currently. Yes, they may be liberals but they are still Americans and not much is happening there by the One to get them released. Redux 2

g2825m on November 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM

American prestige and credibility hit its nadir

Actually that happened in November of last year when an incompetent criminal Marxist trojan horse and his media sycophants pulled off a coup de etat.

elduende on November 2, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I`m thankful that my fellow countrymen were able to
help some Americans escape during that event!

And remember,Carters planned rescue mission,was compromised,
the Iranians knew the Americans were coming,and Carter knew
they knew,plus a sand storm to complicate things further,and
yet Carter still sent the rescue team to their deaths!!

canopfor on November 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Canopfor, I, too, remember that debacle of a rescue mission. I mourned for the bravery of the dead that tried to do the right thing. I was SO ANGRY at Carter that those people were fried in a fire when that helicopter collided with the tanker or whatever happened. It was horrible.

I also cried when the Canadians went public with how they bravely kept some of our people safe in their embassy for a few months until they successfully got them out of the country. This was done at grave danger to the Canadians. I think I remember they had to close the embassy once everyone got safely out of the country (fake passports, human smuggling taken to an art form).

I grew up in Michigan, right next door to Canada and have always felt a real kinship for the Canadian country and the Canadian people.

Years later the daughter of a high level Iranian official in the Shah’s government became my business partner. That era shaped her life as well. To escape oppression she and her siblings were smuggled out of Iran, never to see their family again. They ended up in spending their teen years in the US and became very successful here. Every American ought to have to listen to her give her perspective on the evil Iranian regime. And she disagrees mightily with that twit in Obama’s administration who says sharia law is good for women.

flyfisher on November 2, 2009 at 2:57 PM

This sounds like someone I would love to talk to or listen to. You ought to contact foxnews about her and get her interviewed on the 4th. Let her tell her story. That would be fabulous.

karenhasfreedom on November 2, 2009 at 7:30 PM

I don’t remember much-politically speaking-when this happened. I do remember when my distant cousin Colonel Leland Holland returned from being held hostage to give a speech at the local high school. It was a very big deal for the rural area I grew up in. I don’t even remember what he said, I was only 11. I do remember how awesome he looked in his cleanly pressed uniform and dizzying array of medals. Even at that age I could understand the ridiculousness of the most powerful country in the world putting up with a lengthy hostage situation in a 3rd world country. Let’s all hope (or pray if you prefer) that we don’t get attacked or taken hostage again.

Alfresco on November 2, 2009 at 7:58 PM

I’m not sure I’d pin this as the nadir. The USS Pueblo incident or the abandonment of Saigon are two incidents that are contenders. Not to mention the whole Blackhawk down debacle.

highhopes on November 2, 2009 at 2:22 PM

The difference I see is the second they came over the walls, Iran had invaded sovereign U.S. soil. We abandoned the Embassy in Saigon and the other incidents were attacks on military targets. However, they were also good examples of us being kicked in the face.

I was a deck seaman on USS Jouett (CG-29) when the Embassy in Tehran was attacked. We were in Pusan, S. Korea because of their President having just been assasinated. I recall seeing the picture of the blindfolded Americans on the front page of Pacific Stars & Stripes.

We were due to return to San Diego at the end of November. Right before Thanksgiving we were tasked to escort the carrier Kitty Hawk to the Arabian Sea. We were the only two ships on station for a week or so until 7th Fleet could bring in some others. We stayed on station for 78 days until the Nimitz and Midway battle groups could relieve us.

This was back before email and such, so I had no idea as to why this had all happened until I got a letter from home explaining the deal with the Shah and Khomeini. We got back to San Diego around the first part of March.

TugboatPhil on November 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM

bomb bomb bomb– bomb bomb iran… That was funny in 1979.

petunia on November 2, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Remember the “Ayatollah” spoof on “My Sharona”? That was a fave.

AH_C on November 2, 2009 at 11:33 PM

“Peace Prize” for Jimmah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnLqoRtUAVg&feature=player_embedded

Texyank on November 3, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Today Iran still holds American hostages… for three months now;

Swiss ambassador visits US detainees in Iran

Recall, this is what Iran does to their own female prisoners;

Iranians rape women prior to their execution

“I could tell that the girls were more afraid of their ‘wedding’ night than of the execution that awaited them in the morning. And they would always fight back, so we would have to put sleeping pills in their food. By morning the girls would have an empty expression; it seemed like they were ready or wanted to die.

“I remember hearing them cry and scream after [the rape] was over,” he said. “I will never forget how this one girl clawed at her own face and neck with her finger nails afterwards. She had deep scratches all over her.”

Terp Mole on November 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM