UAW rank-and-file reject Ford contract

posted at 1:40 pm on November 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Do I detect a bit of payback in this story?  The UAW rank-and-file rejected a renegotiated contract from Ford intended to bring themselves into parity with GM and Chrysler, as has long been the practice for the Detroit automakers.  In doing so, the workers also rejected the counsel of their own union, which had endorsed the new contract.  Ford will have to operate at a disadvantage for the next two years in terms of compensation as a result:

Ford Motor Co. workers have overwhelmingly rejected contract changes that would have allowed the automaker to cut labor costs, leaving Ford at a disadvantage to its Detroit rivals as it continues its struggle to return to profitability.

The United Auto Workers union had given local unions until Monday to complete voting. But a person briefed on the voting said Saturday that the contract changes have been rejected by large margins. The person asked not to be named because the UAW hasn’t announced the results yet.

The UAW and Ford agreed to the contract changes several weeks ago, but Ford workers needed to ratify them. Ford has 41,000 UAW-represented workers.

Two large union locals in Kentucky and Ford’s home city of Dearborn rejected the contract Friday, sealing its fate. Those unions together represent 13,000 Ford workers. Exact tallies weren’t available, but at least 12 UAW locals representing about 27,500 workers so far have vetoed the deal, many overwhelmingly. Only about four locals with a total of 7,000 members favored the pact.

The national UAW position makes this a little more intriguing.  Reader Geoff A thinks that this has been a Kabuki dance all along, and that the UAW approval of the contract was just a wink to the workers, giving the rejection a veneer of authentic grass-roots reaction.  However, the UAW didn’t have to agree to renegotiate in the first place.  Ford’s contract runs through 2011, and will remain in effect after this vote.

The UAW has used its leverage in Detroit to ensure parity between manufacturers, which is why Ford wanted to come back to the table.  The unions had to give concessions during the bailouts in order to gain big chunks of GM and Chrysler, which didn’t happen with Ford.  If Ford has a competitive cost problem with its compensation, it also has at least a little bit of a competitive labor advantage, although that hardly balances out or works in Ford’s favor.

Why did workers reject the pact?  In part, they didn’t see much from management in contributions:

Rocky Comito, president of UAW Local 862 in Louisville, said Friday that workers felt they were being asked to sacrifice more than the company’s executives. Ford CEO Alan Mulally made $17.7 million last year, although that was down 22 percent from the year before.

“Some want to see management give more at the upper level,” Comito said.

Nevertheless, the rejection will almost certainly mean more cutbacks at Ford, especially if the economy doesn’t ramp up.  This could be a very public example of cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.

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In an age of 10%+ unemployment, I wonder if Ford can find enough workers to replace striking workers?

theCork on November 1, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Idiots! Until they get rid of the unions I will never buy an “American” brand car again. We have a Toyota plant in my town and it has been a great boon for the area. Forget those union stooges, they can’t see the forest for the trees. I hope Ford starts layoffs immediately. And I hope that some of the high salaried executives also get the boot. They haven’t been doing their job as well…

catlady on November 1, 2009 at 3:49 PM

I hear Toyota makes a good car.

pedestrian on November 1, 2009 at 3:52 PM

I wonder if the UAW is agitating for a return of the jobs bank, where workers were paid for 10+ years to play dominoes.

theCork on November 1, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Seattle just went through this with Boeing’s decision to build a new plant in South Carolina, where the workers had recently decertified the IAM union. This marks the beginning of the end of the stranglehold the unions have over Boeing. The union’s best and final offer to keep manufacturing in the unionized Seattle area was guaranteed jobs and 3% per year for the next ten years. That’s right, in the middle of the Great Recession. Thankfully the new plant is still in the US.

pedestrian on November 1, 2009 at 3:57 PM

In an age of 10%+ unemployment, I wonder if Ford can find enough workers to replace striking workers?

theCork on November 1, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Michigan has… what… 14.8% unemployment.

I’m absolutely certain Ford could find some way to decertify the UAW in Ford. They will have to in order to stay competitive against the UAW in GM and Chrysler… as the UAW owns those two companies as is.

Chaz706 on November 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM

If UAW goes on strike… Fire them all. Tell the former-workers if they want a job it will be non-union.

Dasher on November 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM

This is why I have driven nothing but FORD products vs GM.
Ford was smart in not taking the bailout money. and they are rewarded with not having govt in the ears telling them what they can do or not do….GM= you are such pigs..I will not purchase a GM motor vehicle because of you taking the bailout money.

hawkman on November 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Some of the foreign companies are hobbled by the unions as well. I was interested in buying a Mazda 6 in 2005 and went to my local dealership to see one (he actually had the car I was most interested in on the lot). The salesman (actually the fleet sales manager) said, “I can sell you this Mazda 6 today, or I can get you a Mazda 3 from either the factory or another dealership. I’d prefer to sell you the Mazda 3 because we’ve been getting over 30% returns for major repairs with the Mazda 6′s and less than 5% for the Mazda 3. The difference is that the Mazda 3 is built in Hiroshima and the Mazda 6 is built in Ford’s Flat Rock [MI] plant. Again, I can put you in the Mazda 6 but chances are you won’t like it, and I’d like to have you back as a repeat customer”.

He didn’t have to say more. I’d already seen what happens when you leave off heat deflectors and such on my Taurus station wagon, and wasn’t about to buy another UAW product.

unclesmrgol on November 1, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Chaz706

14.8% unemployment? It’s worse, Last I heard 27% in Detroit and 16.5% Statewide. Unemployment doesn’t count those not looking. In Michigan, no one is looking. There are no jobs to be found and we all know it. It also doesn’t count those that have left the state (around 20,000 people a month). If Ford booted the UAW to the curb tomorrow, they would have a new work force inside a week. A better, more appreciative, more affordable one. I hope Ford stands strong. These under-educated $50.00 Hour union boys have killed the state I love. To hell with them. By the way, I’m looking at homes in Virginia, Michigan is dead for at least 10 more years.

MichiganMatt on November 1, 2009 at 4:24 PM

14.8% unemployment? It’s worse, Last I heard 27% in Detroit and 16.5% Statewide. Unemployment doesn’t count those not looking. In Michigan, no one is looking. There are no jobs to be found and we all know it. It also doesn’t count those that have left the state (around 20,000 people a month).

Thank you for the updated numbers. It’s that bad? Good gravy.

I thought Utah had it bad. I was wrong. I’m just glad I’m starting my new job tomorrow.

FYI: I was only quoting the official E3 numbers. That doesn’t include those who gave up looking for a job. Your numbers are by far more accurate methinks.

If Ford booted the UAW to the curb tomorrow, they would have a new work force inside a week. A better, more appreciative, more affordable one.

Don’t disagree with you there either. If I was desperate and that happened, I’d be lining up in front of Ford within the hour for a new job.

I hope Ford stands strong.

Makes two of us. I’m in the market for a good car. I hope to buy a used Ford soon.

These under-educated $50.00 Hour union boys have killed the state I love. To hell with them.

Coming from IL, I share your pain. I’ve moved to Utah and never looked back since.

By the way, I’m looking at homes in Virginia, Michigan is dead for at least 10 more years.

MichiganMatt on November 1, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Good luck in Virginia. As a transplant of 18 months I’ll tell you that it won’t be easy, but it will be worth it.

Chaz706 on November 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Syndacylism, and a hearty FU to the damnable UAW.

daesleeper on November 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM

I have driven fords all my entire driving life. They are dependable and holds up to wear n tear. They refused to take bailout money, which I deem worthy of continued business.
GM/Crysler not so much now that they took bailout money, and I have big issues with the UAW. I know Ford is with the UAW but still will buy Ford trucks as loyalty for not takin the bailout.

hawkman on November 1, 2009 at 4:35 PM

This is why all of them “foreign” car companies set up shop in the South and Texas, where there are right to work laws. Nary a union thug in sight!

It’s why they are making money too.

We need to get a Conservative majority and DEMAND a national right to work law!

gary4205 on November 1, 2009 at 4:35 PM

We need to get a Conservative majority and DEMAND a national right to work law!

gary4205 on November 1, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Amen Gary. Amen.

I almost took a job but was dissuaded when it wasn’t an open shop. I was 18 back then, looking for a job to fund a short term project and the union dues alone would’ve made the whole thing unprofitable.

I’m glad I backed out. I don’t like getting pushed around. Union or corporation… doesn’t matter. I’m all for making agreements and living up to them, but if a union thug get’s in my face, all bets go out the window damn quick.

Chaz706 on November 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Parasites. I hope Ford grows a backbone and shoves these stooges out. It’ll be better for the company, for the real workers and for the nation.

starboardhelm on November 1, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Don’t give in Ford – fire them all.

I’m sure there are a lot of unemployed non-union Americans who would be glad to take their jobs.

gophergirl on November 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM

This pisses me off… Alan Mulally could take off his suit, put on some work boots and come down and do any gig on the line at the factory. None of the union thugs nor very many of the line guys could do the opposite. If they don’t like working for a CEO that makes what CEOs of multinational companies make, they should go to work at GM, where the Pay Czar agrees with them…

This should be a que for Ford to ditch this parasite and move to a right to work state. Andrew Wilkow laid this out some time ago, Louisiana would be perfect.

liquidflorian on November 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM

One cannot deny the logic of organized labor in this country.

“Why not destroy all manufacturing, and cost us all of our jobs?”

Really Right on November 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM

We need to get a Conservative majority and DEMAND a national right to work law!

gary4205 on November 1, 2009 at 4:35 PM

But then what happens we have a ‘right to work’ and not enough jobs to go around?

Dark-Star on November 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Bethlehem Steel Mill Casino- You don’t need no crystal ball to predict GMs future, and maybe American auto manufacturing, thanks to the UAW.

MayorDaley on November 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM

When it comes to the UAW, you’ll never change their “mindset”. All management sucks, we’re entitled, yada, yada, yada…

They’ve created their own victim mentality and will take it all the way to the unemplyment line and on to the grave, they’re ain’t no changing it, you can’t fix stupid. It’s kind of like those that believe in Obama math, 2+2=1. No matter what.

Tim Zank on November 1, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Fire. Them. All.

At the beginning of the year.

jukin on November 1, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Interesting. A South Carolina Boeing plant kicks out the union a wins a 787 plant.

crosspatch on November 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM

People that stupid should be fired.

People not grateful for having a job should be fired.

People making demands that hurt the company for which they work (especially during a recession) should be fired.

Fire them. Fire them all and move manufacturing to Mexico.

29Victor on November 1, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Firing them won’t work in Michigan. THe union mentality is so strong, they would rather sit and wait for some one to give them money (government) than work. And those that are not union membersnow, would be too afraid of the union goons to take the open jobs.

efemdy on November 1, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Interesting. A South Carolina Boeing plant kicks out the union a wins a 787 plant.

crosspatch on November 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Yep. I live in the Beautiful NW and we are managing to kill the goose. We are losing Boeing.

The unions are screwing themselves right out of a job. They complain about Airbus and yet don’t do a damn thing to help their employer be more competitive. They see the results of their greed and just moan and wail about how greedy Boeing is for leaving because they don’t want to put up with their crap.

29Victor on November 1, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Hmmm and yet no one is going after the Monopoly the UAW has on Autoworkers, I think we need some busting

Rbastid on November 1, 2009 at 5:10 PM

But then what happens we have a ‘right to work’ and not enough jobs to go around?

Dark-Star on November 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM

It means that you have a right to work in a shop that doesn’t have to be unionized… or if a shop is unionized, it’s illegal for them to force you to join the union as part of employment.

Chaz706 on November 1, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Nevertheless, the rejection will almost certainly mean more cutbacks at Ford, especially if the economy doesn’t ramp up. This could be a very public example of cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.

Exactly how the UAW has been doing business throughout my 30+ year lifetime.

gryphon202 on November 1, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Interesting. A South Carolina Boeing plant kicks out the union a wins a 787 plant.

crosspatch on November 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Excellent. Not only is this good for S.C. and Boeing, but also other areas of the South that may be selected to supply Boeing for the 787. Common sense on display.

jimmy2shoes on November 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Exactly how the UAW has been doing business throughout my 30+ year lifetime.

gryphon202 on November 1, 2009 at 5:33 PM

But then doesn’t the union just use the cutbacks to get their members more and more angry at Ford?

29Victor on November 1, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Fire them!

farright on November 1, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Chaz706 on November 1, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Major definition fail on my part. |-p

Dark-Star on November 1, 2009 at 5:58 PM

I talked with a second generation Ford employee last week. He works at the Claycomo plant, a suburb of Kansas City. He told me most of the employees at his plant were willing to compromise, but he feared the diehard UAW members in other states would vote with the union and his job would be gone as well.

MalindaH on November 1, 2009 at 5:58 PM

But then what happens we have a ‘right to work’ and not enough jobs to go around?

Dark-Star on November 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM

even for a moron, that’s a badly flawed argument. The principle is more important than the possibility of lack of employment in a particular workplace or area.

It’s about the right to compete freely for employment, which you apparently cannot understand.

Janos Hunyadi on November 1, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Seriously, just move on down to Texas here, y’all. We have tons of room and a great government. We have no State Income Tax, we have the right to work and we have Tort Reform. It’s great. :) :) :)

Theophile on November 1, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Uhm “right to work” doesn’t mean you have a “right” to a job. It means that you have the right to work without being a union member. In many states if you have a union shop you must join the union or you can’t work there.

He told me most of the employees at his plant were willing to compromise, but he feared the diehard UAW members in other states would vote with the union and his job would be gone as well.

Ok, then I would tell him to do what the people did in South Carolina. Take a vote and see how many want to keep the union in the plant. Then if the union loses, kick the UAW out of the plant and negotiate your own contract.

Forget what people at other plants want to do, take charge of your own destiny at your own plant.

crosspatch on November 1, 2009 at 6:30 PM

If my decision is between union made or Chinese I buy Chinese they own us now anyway thanks to the Democrap crapweasals!

dhunter on November 1, 2009 at 6:34 PM

So true crosspatch. Hopefully they will fight tooth and nail.

MalindaH on November 1, 2009 at 6:34 PM

This could be a very public example of cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.

Yeah, the best thing to ever happen to the UAW is their company went bankrupt. Their argument is that since Ford didn’t go bankrupt, they were in a position to give more benefits. The problem is that because of those benefits, their companies went bankrupt.

They won’t be happy until Ford is bankrupt too.

Meanwhile, the Japanese, South Korean, and European car companies continue to gain market share making the ‘big 3′ mostly irrelevant.

When Ford and GM started building their companies, they didn’t have Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, and Mercedes to compete with.

It’s a shame that the UAW members aren’t satisfied with having a job. . . they want to bankrupt their company so that nobody has a job. It is just a shame.

We really don’t need an American auto industry.

ThackerAgency on November 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Interesting. A South Carolina Boeing plant kicks out the union a wins a 787 plant.

crosspatch on November 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Yep. I live in the Beautiful NW and we are managing to kill the goose. We are losing Boeing.

The unions are screwing themselves right out of a job. They complain about Airbus and yet don’t do a damn thing to help their employer be more competitive. They see the results of their greed and just moan and wail about how greedy Boeing is for leaving because they don’t want to put up with their crap.

29Victor on November 1, 2009 at 5:09 PM

That’s only half the problem. The other big problem is taxes and enviro-nut regulation in many rust belt and nw & ne states that drive businesses out.

Jeff from WI on November 1, 2009 at 6:39 PM

crosspatch on November 1, 2009 at 6:30 PM

tiny minds with scary nics like “Dark-Star” don’t know that “Right to Work” means a state legislature has passed a bill outlawing ‘closed shops’. A ‘closed shop’ is an employer who forces all workers to join a union to gain employment.

“Right to Work” laws * which exist mostly in the South and West ) probably result in lower wages for some jobs but probably result in more jobs–with no mandatory union dues, which typically take a huge bite out of your first few months paychecks and amount to an income tax after that.

Unions were a good device when government was small, but the growth in size and power of the national (‘ federal ‘ ) government has rendered unions unnecessary and / or corruption-magnets in most industries.

Janos Hunyadi on November 1, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Theres another piece to the story line that some of you are missing…

UAW now OWNS part of GM… thus they are now in direct competition against Ford…

How they get away with this under RICO and laws about Monopolies I have no idea (except that the Fed is not interested in looking at the blatant conflict of interest).

Romeo13 on November 1, 2009 at 6:48 PM

If Ford booted the UAW to the curb tomorrow, they would have a new work force inside a week. A better, more appreciative, more affordable one. I hope Ford stands strong. These under-educated $50.00 Hour union boys have killed the state I love. To hell with them. ……
MichiganMatt on November 1, 2009 at 4:24 PM

If the UAW were to go on strike against Ford, they’d allow Ford a unique opportunity to dump the union. That would be the best thing to happen to Michigan in 50 years.

Red State State of Mind on November 1, 2009 at 6:58 PM

“Right to Work” laws * which exist mostly in the South and West ) probably result in lower wages for some jobs but probably result in more jobs–with no mandatory union dues,….

Janos Hunyadi on November 1, 2009 at 6:41 PM

My management experience is in the Hotel industry, and in my personal experience a Union shop did not deliver higher net wages or benefits for their employees.

Red State State of Mind on November 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Good . Lock them out and start anew . Exactly what Ford needs .

borntoraisehogs on November 1, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Unions are scavengers of human dignity. Foerd should close all union plants and move them south and re-open with NON-UNION people. Nobody desrves a job, it is a priviledge.

royzer on November 1, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I really gotta preview before i post.

royzer on November 1, 2009 at 7:18 PM

We have had a Volvo and Mack plant over in Dublin, Virginia. It’s been there for a very long time. Several small suppliers set up shop nearby. When it became obvious to all but those with their heads in the sand (if by sand you mean up their arse) that the economy was about to tank, they went on strike.

Since settling, the Mack part of the operation has closed and the Volvo part is on life support. A couple of the suppliers have closed their doors. Way to go UAW!

TugboatPhil on November 1, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Why did workers reject the pact? In part, they didn’t see much from management in contributions

Do the UAW workers ever complain about how much of their membership dues are freely given to elect Democrats?

TN Mom on November 1, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Ford needs to tell it’s “workers”, “Been nice working with you. You can all leave now, we’ll be hiring new workers, people who’ve been on funemployment.”

A worker has the right to refuse to exchange his/her labor for a certain price. The employer has the right to find other workers who will work at that price.

GarandFan on November 1, 2009 at 7:24 PM

I would start by eliminating the UAW’s exemption from income tax. Make the union pay tax on every dollar of union dues they collect. If the union now owns the company, then they should pay taxes just like every other business owner.

crosspatch on November 1, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Red State State of Mind on November 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM

yes, that was my experience in California: Low wages AND union dues–which were loaded into the first three paychecks.

‘probably’ is a very flexible word….

Janos Hunyadi on November 1, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Sounds like Mexico is getting some more work.

seven on November 1, 2009 at 7:49 PM

UAW is not an honest broker at the table: they own a big piece of Ford’s competition. Er, can there be a more clear conflict of interest? If a company did this, FTC would be all over them. UAW…what?

The other angle is that Bama’s investment in GM has to succeed. If GM started building Trabants tomorrow, UAW and Congress would find a way to blow Ford out of the water. It is a political necessity that the Economics Wizardry of Barry Hussein be confirmed, at whatever cost to the consumer.

Harry Schell on November 1, 2009 at 7:52 PM

I am sick of the UAW. I haven’t always been that way about them. but I’ve had enough. Wish the very worse for them.

bluegrass on November 1, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Hey you stupid frickin’ UAW idiots!

I drive a Mustang and an F-150.

You can damn sure bet that my next ride is going to be a FORD.

What is it you dopes don’t get???

bannedbyhuffpo on November 1, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Sounds like Mexico is getting some more work. seven on November 1, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Or they might just expand their plant already in Brazil. Maybe FORD should pull a Haliburton and say b’ bye to Michigan. Michigan is the only state in America where you can’t build a car for a profit. Thanks UAW.

Mojave Mark on November 1, 2009 at 8:03 PM

They could move to Norway and call it the Fjord motor company.

Mojave Mark on November 1, 2009 at 8:04 PM

I always used to say that if I were to “buy American” I would buy GM. As it was, I’ve always driven Hondas and Toyotas, but I must admit that Ford still makes a great product and the last GM I was in felt like a the interior was falling apart (it was a new Pontiac G6), and ever since GM and Chrysler sold out to the statists they got a black mark in my book. For my next car I had wanted to get a muscle car, but now the Camaro, Charger, Challenger are off the table. However, I must say that 2010 Mustang GT looks mean. Mark my words, if Ford ditches the UAW I will for sure buy a new Mustang as soon as I can get a loan approved. :)

SG1_Conservative on November 1, 2009 at 8:05 PM

A lot of union workers need to realize a job that pays 25$ per hr. and you are working is better than a job that pays 35$ per hr. but your laid off.

thmcbb on November 1, 2009 at 8:25 PM

I have a 1999 GMC Yukon and it has been a great truck. I would buy another (money prevents) except I am getting taxed to pay for GM to succeed, because Bama needs to succeed.

As it is, probably my next car (maybe the last one I buy, getting old) will be another Subaru WRX, so I can continue doing track days which I do now with my 02 WRX. Or turn the 02 into a dedicated track car, use the new Sub as the daily driver and the Yukon for a tow-car.

UAW will not price itself out the market as long as DC makes their demands payable, with out money. Amtrack on steoroids…or maybe LSD. The Brits, French, so many have tried this goose chase, it makes me want to call “progressives” what they really are: regressives. They keep bringing up failed ideas from the past as if new, or “things are different this time”

Very low-grade cow manure, but envious, stupid people buy the line.

Harry Schell on November 1, 2009 at 8:35 PM

If unions can not hang on to a crumbling auto industry (for which they are instrumental in destroying), then it seems logical for them to focus on the new emerging industry: HEALTHCARE.

Imagine how the union muscle will be strengthened if healthcare becomes unionized. The industry can’t be sent overseas. Everybody needs it. The government will mandate the care.

The potential for increase union power is huge.

If I was looking for a new industry to exploit, it would be healthcare.

Pazman on November 1, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Ford built a state-of-the-art production plant in Brazil that makes its South American built cars competitive with every one of the world’s other manufactures like Toyota and Honda.

Problem is that UAW WON’T let Ford build such a production facility in the U.S.!!!

Sorry you doofus UAW A-holes. You’re OBSOLETE!

Just GO AWAY and let this company, and its shareholders THRIVE!

bannedbyhuffpo on November 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Is there a nice way to say, “F Unions”?

Do I even want to be nice about it?

probably not.

Yakko77 on November 1, 2009 at 8:58 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

I used to be a union worker
Until the democrats ran the last plant out of the state..

Unions were there originally to stop the workers from being abused..

Now the unions are a political party paying homage to the democrats in exchange for bailout money..

I agree here with the other poster..
Perhaps if the union gets too stupid and does a strike
Ford could just hire in new workers (at the same rate GM government moters is paying its workers)..

and guess what ..
No more problems..

except for all of those dumb ass workers who will now be out of a job..

veteranoutrage on November 1, 2009 at 9:49 PM

The UAW needs to form its own Automobile Manufacturing Company. They have the manpower and capital to do so, but they won’t. It’s easier to be a parasite.

BDU-33 on November 1, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Ford should be filing anti-trust charges against the UAW, now that they have a controlling interest in both Crysler and Government Motors.

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on November 1, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Good…dump the UAW…and this family might just buy a Ford next time around. That Flex looks like a good vehicle for both tailgating and TEA parties!

redwhiteblue on November 1, 2009 at 10:23 PM

This so typical of the UAW and the other big unions. Even though times are tough this is the time when all of the out of wack agreements should be corrected. Think of all of the state union employees that have pensions that can never be paid. The fed employees will be ok because Congress will never cut their pay, medical or pension because they can print money. Ford could end up in the tank because of these idiots. I have owned GM cars for years but no more. They are now UAW cars and I would never support those bastards.

inspectorudy on November 1, 2009 at 10:48 PM

It looks like the UAW will soon go the way of the Steelworkers.
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GM and Chrysler might not be threatenable by the unions. Honda, Toyota, Nissan and maybe Mazda and Volkswagen, if faced with enough union trouble, could simply shut down all US manufacturing and switch back to their import business model. perhaps with assistance form their governments.
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This leaves Ford in an excellent position. Ford can simply shut all union shops, or actually all shops that demand a rate greater than $XX per hour, and more than NN number of workers per line, and move production as needed. A strike should guarantee Ford’s response to be very much like this.
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Then there’s the PR aspect. I hear that sales of Fords are up compared to GM and Chrysler, and much of it is due to the UAW takeover.
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Union trouble for Ford will likely decrease GM and Chrysler sales. Ford shutting plants down and laying off workers due to union troubles, sounds like a good reason for a national GM/Chrysler boycott.
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ACORN and the SEIU seem to be laying the groundwork for a certain voting pattern. Who likes the SEIU filling up their Congressman’s town hall meeting with out-of-district union parasites first? Who likes Congressmen who allow this? Who still votes for them?
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Car-buying patterns, and possibly a national boycott: these things suggest a lot of support for this certain voting pattern.
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I see many right-to-work laws being passed. CardCheck is dead. I can see GM and Chrysler being sold back to the public in 2010 or 2012. No more bailouts. The UAW/SEIU/Big Union strike fund is now the total assets of the union and union bosses.
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I wonder if the stock the UAW was given will be taken back? Perhaps a second, real, bankruptcy . . . a bankruptcy-bankruptcy.

Arbalest on November 1, 2009 at 11:06 PM

I used to be a union worker

veteranoutrage on November 1, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Same here. I used to be part of a IBEW when I worked at an assembly facility for Lucent/AVAYA technologies here in Omaha. I kid you not when I say I was told to slow down, that my output was too high and would only increase everyone else’s quota. It was the best paying job I ever had but bit by bit we lost business to other companies or production moved to Mexico. I was laid off after only 3 years. I didn’t have the seniority even though I put out a sizable percentage more product than most others in my department. It’s strange. That union job was the best civilian job I ever had in terms of pay and compensation but IMO that union also cost me my job. I’ve never worked at a union job since.

Yakko77 on November 1, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Living in Lousiville near many Ford workers I can tell you they are far more suspicious of the Union Bosses than they are of Ford. So the crap about a “kabuki” dance is whimiscal fantasy by some far off political strategist.
 
The proposal would have had a real chance if the Union had told the workers to vote against it as they then would know for sure that the contract must mean they union bosses weren’t getting their normal forced kick backs from Ford. Many a time when the previous contracts have been negoiated the workers have had to take hits while the dues remained the same. The Union bosses never want to see their pay or benefits reduced, don’t ya know.
 
The truly sad part is that Ford worked to find something to use to retask the local Truck plant as they know with Obama in the Whitehouse trucks will become a dirty word. So they have made a commitment to move a couple Hybrid SUVs here that can be built in the same plant with the same line. With the rejection of the contract that is all now back up in the air.
 
But the truth is these workers are simply tired of getting it from both sides. They may understand the management side from Ford, but they are seriously mad at the Union side that has betrayed them one too many times.
 
The Union looks out for its own management, so members be damned. Members are only there to pay dues these days….

woodythesingingcowboy on November 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM

That was a no brainier for anyone. Do you want to take a pay cut, yes or no? I bet Ford workers are more happy than GM, and will produce a better car. Buy Ford, which hasn’t been nationalized yet. My taxes used to buy GM stock, I’m waiting for my stock certificate.

Ed Laskie on November 2, 2009 at 1:08 AM

Why am I not surprised? I spent 43 years of my life as a management-side Labor Negotiator. Even when FDR brought in the ghastly Wagner Act (the U.S. Labor Relation Act) in 1935, it was, at best, an unnecessary gesture. When the wildly irresponsible unions went on illegal strike during WW II, they were told they would pay the price, and they did under the reforms brought in by the Taft-Hartley Act after the War. However, such wild irresponsibility continues unabated. The UAW is certainly among the usual suspects, and there is no end of the usual suspects! When I was a young MBA and entering the labor relations field 50 years ago, 37% of our workforce in private industry was unionized. Today, that figure is down to 7%. Many labor cretins make fun of the fact that my former profession is disappearing! Why would that be, my friends? Well, our friend Obama, like FDR, is on your side. Good luck union bozos!

John Adams on November 2, 2009 at 1:22 AM

@Yakko…
I was in exactly the same position as you were, regarding unions, except I didn’t get laid off, I had to move for other reasons. But I totally get where you’re coming from!

I was a school employee (not a teacher) in CA, and I joined the union because if I didn’t, I would still have to pay the equivalent of union dues. (It’s been a while, but I think it was to a “charity” or something like that.)

I made great money and had great benefits, the best I’ve ever had in my life. But I was told not to do some tasks, because they “weren’t in my written job description”, and to let things fall behind rather than work harder, because that way the school district would have to hire another union worker to do the job. Never mind that they were already in a budget crisis and couldn’t even afford the workers they had, and were laying people off. And of course it was all based on senority, so the lazy a$$es that did nothing kept their jobs, while the people who actually worked were let go.

The disconnect is just amazing. They can’t see that *they* are the reason there are layoffs, hiring freezes, and benefit cuts. It’s always the “evil, greedy management”. I do believe that during hard times management needs to make cuts too, but the parasitic unions want to bleed everyone dry, and then can’t understand why things are failing.

I have family in MI who work in a union shop, and they have that same union mentality. Vote Dem all the time and can’t understand why MI is in the toilet. 2 + 2 = 5 in MI. They just don’t get it.

Boudica on November 2, 2009 at 3:24 AM

Another great union story…

My brother’s first job was a contract position designing shipping crates for GM. He designed and built a crate to hold door panels to be sent from one plant to another for assembly.

One day, he got a call from an engineer at the other plant, who chewed him out, telling him his design was flawed and the panels were arriving bent and unusable. My brother knew his design was good, so he followed a shipment from the line at the first plant, to the loading, trucking, and arrival at the second plant. So far, so good. Then he watched the unloading. The crates were taken off of the truck, and then the forklift operator shoved the crates across the floor and smashed them into each other, one by one.

My brother went to the engineer and said, “There’s your problem, it’s the forklift guy. He’s not loading them on the forklift from the end like he’s supposed to, he’s just smashing them along the floor.” So the other guy tells my brother that he needs to redesign the crates so that the forklift can access them from any side, not just the ends. My brother responds that if he does that, the crates will cost more to make and hold fewer panels, and the engineer says, “Just do it. That guys’s union and I’m not going to deal with him, he’ll just file a grievance and keep smashing them up.”

So my brother went back to the drawing board, and redid the crates.

He doesn’t work there anymore, and has tons of stories like this about unions. In fact, his last job was at a plant in WI (not cars) that closed because the union wouldn’t negotiate, so the plant moved to Canada. And of course, the workers and their families are the ones who suffer, but still don’t understand how it all happens.

Boudica on November 2, 2009 at 3:39 AM

Fark the Unions.

Geochelone on November 2, 2009 at 3:40 AM

Sell lower Michigan to Canada for $0.05 an acre. Give the UP to Wisconsin. That problem is fixed…next

Jeff from WI on November 2, 2009 at 5:30 AM

Kudos to Ford for not folding to the government, yet. I hope they will be able to resist the UAW blackmail as well.

Via Neanderpundit, if my memory serves, (who is no longer blogging), the automakers are more correctly described as auto “assemblers”; the actual “makers” of the cars parts are in non-union businesses, whose workers are frequently min-wage.

trl on November 2, 2009 at 8:08 AM

But then what happens we have a ‘right to work’ and not enough jobs to go around?

Dark-Star on November 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Right to work always results in more jobs.

MarkTheGreat on November 2, 2009 at 8:38 AM

ROFL!-And you all really thought the government takeover of the auto industry was going to stop with GM and Chrysler.

The Obamanistas are going to eventually screw Ford into a corner and then snatch them up as well.

Which part of Marxist coup are you not getting?

Dave R. on November 2, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Hmmmmm, there are a lot of unemployed people that would be happy to work for Ford.

dogsoldier on November 2, 2009 at 9:49 AM

It is immoral and unjust that Ford be required to employ their competition. If Ford really wants to survive in the long run they need to gird their loins and lock out the UAW. Best case they get rid of the union, middle case the Organizer-In-Chief makes the UAW take the concessions, worst case Ford splits into union & non-union divisions and lets the strike/lockout kill that division.

PS I have absolutely no connection to the car industry, Ford etc.

motionview on November 2, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Hey Ford! Come on down South!

mubando on November 2, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Auto workers are going to be in surplus. I say fire all the unions and hire whoever is willing to sign up non-union.

Count to 10 on November 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM

But then what happens we have a ‘right to work’ and not enough jobs to go around?

Dark-Star on November 1, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Right to work always results in more jobs.

MarkTheGreat on November 2, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Yes.
“Right to work” means the absence of laws preventing you from agreeing to work for someone, not a guarantee of a job. It means that workers with jobs can’t screw you out of a job just to keep their pay unrealistically high.

Count to 10 on November 2, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Sell lower Michigan to Canada for $0.05 an acre. Give the UP to Wisconsin. That problem is fixed…next

Jeff from WI on November 2, 2009 at 5:30 AM

The Canadians called, they said to “Stuff it, eh.” They don’t want Michigan even if we paid them to take it.lmao

TQM38a on November 2, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Hey, Ford! Move to Virginia. We are a Right to Work state. We have some unemployment we would like to correct and your jobs would help. Our new governor as of Tuesday promises to drill for oil and expand nuclear energy. He really is a “jobs” kind of guy. Virginia is perfect for Ford.
However, our big tent does not include Liberal voters from other states. We have lower taxes for a reason. Our VA Constitution does not allow for spending more money than we take in and we like it that way. We like our Conservative ways.

BetseyRoss on November 2, 2009 at 10:28 AM

No, they rejected it because even if Ford would have made a $.10 profit, the union would have wanted half.

I hate it for Ford because they’re doing it all the right way – their own way without government intervention.

I drive a Honda now but was definitely considering a Ford Fusion if/when the economy comes back around, but if these union fools screw this up, it will be Honda for me from here on out. They might as well wake up.

Oink on November 2, 2009 at 10:49 AM

But the truth is these workers are simply tired of getting it from both sides. They may understand the management side from Ford, but they are seriously mad at the Union side that has betrayed them one too many times.

The Union looks out for its own management, so members be damned. Members are only there to pay dues these days….

woodythesingingcowboy on November 2, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Then they need to work for a decertification vote. I think that the UAW has a conflict of interest anyway, and should be decertified for that reason alone.

whbates on November 2, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Can Ford order a red RESET button?

And the union workers are so specialized that they can’t be replaced?

Sir Napsalot on November 2, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Fine. Boot the union. Hire non-union.

mojo on November 2, 2009 at 11:13 AM

To hell with the UAW and a Barak takeover.

File for Chapter 11, reorganization.
Let the Judge kill the “out of compliance” UAW contract.
Kill the huge debts to the Union.
Come out in that 40 special plan debt free, government free and with the same contract the Govt owned auto companies have.

barnone on November 2, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Here’s a very interesting article from Forbes about how then-governor Calvin Coolidge handled strong-arming from a union:

Calvin Coolidge Rules

“Just this once.” That’s what state and town governments all across the country say when they give in to the National Education Association, municipal police departments or the pink-collar workers at state capitals. Over the years our authorities have said “just this once” so often that our fragile economy is now hostage to these workers and the exorbitant pensions lawmakers have promised them.

What is it about public-sector unions that makes governments give in so often? Daily disruption, for one thing–unplowed streets, locked school doors, skies without air-traffic controls. Another is respect for public office. Most voters view respecting policemen, teachers and firemen as the obligation of a good citizen. And another is the enormous campaign contributions lawmakers accept from the public workers’ unions. In short, politicians believe they have to make concessions or they won’t be reelected. So they give in again and again, telling themselves, “Just this once.”

Courage of Conviction

There are two Presidents who wouldn’t give in–not even once. The better known is Ronald Reagan, who fired air traffic controllers when they went on strike in 1981.

Less known is Reagan’s hero, Calvin Coolidge. Ninety years ago, while he was still governor of Massachusetts, Coolidge halted a police strike in Boston by refusing to concede on even small points. Coolidge’s methods earned him the eternal hostility of the fastest-growing American political group, the Progressive movement. Yet Coolidge’s action didn’t hurt him politically. On the contrary, the Boston strike put Coolidge on the road to the presidency.

To gauge the scale of Coolidge’s bravery, it helps to recall how radical a year 1919 was. The Bolsheviks were solidifying their hold on Russia. In Europe politicians were making major concessions to striking socialists. Across the U.S. workers were unionizing and demonstrating to an extent never before seen. That winter in Seattle workers from many trades had joined shipyard hands in a general strike modeled on the Russian strike in Petrograd. Seattle’s mayor, Ole Hanson, was able to end the strike only by organizing 1,000 extra police and ordering them to shoot on sight anyone causing disruption. WWI veterans were restless, and riots were tearing at cities across the country.

Boston policemen believed their decision to join the American Federation of Labor might succeed. Their cause–higher wages, better conditions–seemed legitimate. Raises weren’t keeping up with the cost of living. Policemen, who got one day off every two weeks, were paid less than unskilled steelworkers. Conditions at station houses were atrocious. As a strike historian later reported, “In the Court Square station house, just behind City Hall, the bugs were so voracious that they ate the leather on the police helmets and belts.” Believing that public opinion was on their side, the police voted to strike 1,134 to 2.

Trouble came the very evening the police walked off the job. Gangs busted windows in South Boston. In Roxbury someone sabotaged rail switches, causing a streetcar to derail. Banks and big companies felt compelled to organize private guards, and Harvard University’s president, Abbott Lawrence Lowell, admonished students to “prepare themselves” for possible service to the city. In the days that followed the rioting continued, yet Governor Coolidge kept his distance, leaving Police Commissioner Edwin Curtis in charge. Some took this as a sign of gubernatorial weakness. Samuel Gompers, head of the AFL, offered a classic crisis compromise to Coolidge: Remove the unpopular Curtis, maybe raise pay and consider “the human side of the question,” and Gompers would halt the strike.

But Coolidge did not remove Curtis. Instead, he backed up the commissioner when Curtis fired the policemen–forever. Insult was added to injury when the replacement policemen received wages higher than those the strikers had been paid. Two things, Governor Coolidge said, mattered: First was respecting the local authorities–protecting Boston, at least in the initial stage, was Commissioner Curtis’ job, not the governor’s; second was to draw a bright line defining what actions within the law public-sector workers are permitted when they have grievances. Coolidge drew that line, saying, “There is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody, anywhere, any time.”

Coolidge’s bright line reassured people: We were not like Europe or Russia; there was a limit to how far the left could go here. Massachusetts soon reelected Coolidge as governor. The GOP then made him its vice presidential candidate. When Warren Harding died, Calvin Coolidge became President. And in 1924 Americans voted to keep Coolidge in office. In the 1920s the American economy grew fast, and workers’ wages rose. By the 1928 presidential election the Progressive movement had faded.

To fire a police force during a riot takes more courage than to refuse a union negotiator demanding an endless supply of Lipitor for city clerical workers. Yet Coolidge demonstrated that he was willing to risk his job to do what was necessary, telling one official during the strike: “It does not matter whether I am elected or not.”

Today many Americans see the economic threat voracious unions–public sector or private–represent. Voters are more open to cutbacks and less sympathetic to spending than lawmakers believe. The politician who tries the Coolidge method may find himself pleased with the results.

Amity Shlaes, senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations

Article Link here:

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1102/opinions-amity-shlaes-current-events.html

emphasis mine

SouperConservative on November 2, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Scrap the UAW and move to a right to work state…..

BigMike252 on November 2, 2009 at 12:07 PM

While I do consider the UAW to be rapacious. I’d have to say I’d vote with the workers on this one.

If you had a contract and the company’s beating the pants on the competition and making a profit why the hell would you vote for a PAYCUT.

Get a clue. Conservative doesn’t mean STUPID.

Ford shouldn’t ask it of them. They’re winning. Praise the guys and push forward damnit! Management should turn this into an onward & upward moment not a dogfight.

rcl on November 2, 2009 at 12:37 PM

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