Scozzafava endorses Democrat in NY-23

posted at 4:15 pm on November 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Doesn’t this prove the point conservatives had been making about Dede Scozzafava all along?

One day after she suspended her own campaign and declined to publicly endorse either of her opponents, Republican Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava has formally announced her support for Democratic candidate Bill Owens. …

This isn’t a huge surprise. According to the Watertown Times, Scozzafava, who is angry about the indignities she suffered at the hands of Conservative nominee Doug Hoffman, was quietly encouraging her supporters yesterday to support Owens.

In addition, her labor leader husband, Ron McDougall, issued a late-night endorsement of Owens via a statement released by the AFL -CIO, which signaled the start of a labor wave moving from Scozzafava’s camp to Owens’ side. This could prove critical when it comes to the GOTV effort.

Uh, sure, as if that 19% or so that backed Scozzafava in the race included a “labor wave”.  The union voters were not going to back the Republican in this race, outside of McDougall and a few of his buddies.  They’re already behind Owens, even with the Card Check-supporting Scozzafava in the race.  Why wouldn’t they have already wanted to give Nancy Pelosi another caucus vote?

There are two ways of looking at this.  Either Scozzafava doesn’t mind throwing Republicans under the bus for a little dog-in-the-manger revenge, or she’s a lot closer in policy to the Democrat than the conservative candidate.  Neither of those commends Scozzafava, nor the county party leaders who handpicked her to replace John McHugh.  In fact, it makes it clear that conservatives were right all along to point out Scozzafava’s unsuitability for the endorsement — and should result in replacing the GOP bosses in NY-23 who bungled it.


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- The Cat

MirCat on November 2, 2009 at 12:20 AM

When you see people who SELF IDENTIFY themselves with names like “simplesimon” and “athensBOY,” you just have to ask yourself; “WTF?”

Star20 on November 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM

You know it’s a shame – Scozzafava is a name begging for parody.

ace tomato on November 2, 2009 at 12:30 AM

This is about gay marriage.

Connie on November 2, 2009 at 12:41 AM

That pink pant suit in the photo sure looks like a Hillary Special “Stand by your man” 1997 model year limited edition. With all the bulges dunlaps appearing in the expected locations.

viking01 on November 2, 2009 at 1:20 AM

Sonosam on November 1, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Haven’t seen this person post before. A plant to put on the Liberal log maybe?

yoda on November 2, 2009 at 1:46 AM

This surprises anyone?

nelsonknows on November 2, 2009 at 1:50 AM

Gotta say this for Scozzafava, at least she endorsed somebody. That puts her one up on the Invisible Mitt.

Terry_Dyne on November 2, 2009 at 3:09 AM

Doesn’t this prove the point conservatives had been making about Dede Scozzafava all along?

Um, yeah, I think this nails it shut, as a matter of fact.

Dede announces she’s switching parties in 5…4…3…2…

It should also send a message to the rest of the rank and file: There’s a lot of Dede’s out there. Find them, flush them in the primaries and bust your butt to get the genuine article elected in 2010.

It CAN be done.

SuperCool on November 2, 2009 at 3:41 AM

DeDe announces that she’s switching…from Mc Donalds to Taco Bell for the sake of diversity.

Jeff from WI on November 2, 2009 at 5:14 AM

Need to examine,
Nomination process, here.
A ‘Rat false flag op?

Haiku Guy on November 2, 2009 at 5:27 AM

True colors. Thank God Sarah Palin saved us from this disaster of a candidate.

I gotta give Fred props too. Fred stood up early.

Mr Purple on November 2, 2009 at 6:11 AM

You pay for prime canned salmon and when you open the GOP packed salmon can – it’s rancid old dog meat! Time to dump the people who package it in the first place – false labeling is a crime in my book.

Don L on November 2, 2009 at 6:17 AM

Don L on November 2, 2009 at 6:17 AM

+1

She was telling us who she was all along. The packagers are fraudulent…

…and fraud is fraud is fraud is fraud.

Saltysam on November 2, 2009 at 6:49 AM

Woke up this morning to F&F; listening to a “bright” young lady proclaiming that by 2020 there will be more progressives than conservatives than during our parents days.

Gretchen says, “We’ll see how progressive you are when you’re paying for your own health care.”

Three cheers for Gretchen!

Rovin on November 2, 2009 at 6:57 AM

Thank God Sarah Palin saved us from this disaster of a candidate.

+100

bluelightbrigade on November 2, 2009 at 7:17 AM

Just LOVE the XXXXL “Pretty in Pink” outfit!

Fabulous!!!!!!!!!

BigAlSouth on November 2, 2009 at 7:18 AM

Hoffman is going to grab a mop and clean up tomorrow!

yoda on November 2, 2009 at 7:20 AM

Hey, where’s the hyphenate? Shouldn’t it be Dede Scozzafava-McDougall? Now, that would get my vote! Imagine the huge and colorful signs.

mr1216 on November 2, 2009 at 7:21 AM

This is exactly why there is no confidence in the Republican Party! RINO all along and the party endorsed her. Newt had better wash the egg off his face and decide where his loyalties lie. Win Lose or Draw the Tea Party and Conservative base has spoken loud and clear.

shov74 on November 2, 2009 at 7:26 AM

In addition, her labor leader husband, Ron McDougall

that should have been a huge RED FLAG to the RNC and NRCC

cmsinaz on November 2, 2009 at 7:29 AM

What “indignities” did Scuzzyface suffer at Hoffman’s hands — other than having Hoffman (accurately) point out that she is further to the left than the Democratic candidate?

AZCoyote on November 2, 2009 at 7:35 AM

At last we see the fake consrvatives getting weeded out, there are core values that should have shown that this person was clearly unsuitable and that old chustnut of picking a candidate that the electorate would vote for is blown wide open here. So well done America for showing the world how to do this, now if only we can do the same in the UK, Cameron is a CINO…

TrueBrit on November 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM

Don’t forget to see this in the context of the “Moderate” republican. The moderate republican (myth) endorses the democrat!

Weight of Glory on November 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM

If folks are smart this whole episode, and its sloppy definition of “moderate Republican”, can be used strategically as a pivot to begin questioning the effete party elders on what “moderate Republican” really means, and how far rank-and-file Republicans should be expected to bend ideologically in order to accept the candidates the Party is throwing at them by the bucketful.

Just from word usage alone, “moderate” can only ever mean the same basic beliefs as the “hard core” Republicans, just a more diluted, forgiving version of the same. It can never mean an opposed, antithetical set of beliefs held just as firmly as “hard core” Republicans. Yet here we are, with the Party endorsing just such a person. If that is to be believed, then the very term “moderate” has been deprived of all meaning, and the Republican party has launched an attack on objectivity itself, on the definition and meaning of words. If they insist on getting away with that, then they are basically signaling that their own words mean nothing and they will nominate and support basically any candidate, anywhere, anytime, regardless of principle. Mussolini? Pol Pot? Abby Hoffman? No problem – by Newt’s and the press’s definition of the word, they are all “moderate Republicans”.

That cannot be allowed to stand, no matter what other excuses they have up their sleeve. If they openly admit Ms. Scozzafava is a strong radical opposed to conservatism, fine, but they cannot be allowed, ever again, to refer to her as a “moderate” anything. Nor can the press be allowed to do the same.

Because to let it stand means smearing all those Republicans who are intolerant of radicalism as intolerant of moderation — which is not the same thing at all — and this is tantamount to propagating a lie.

The challenge has to start somewhere, and if not here, then where? Something like:

“Now that you’ve staked your entire reputation on a so-called moderate Republican who turned out to be an ACORN loving, left-wing activist who endorses Democrats and collects favors from the Obama administration, is that what you expect us to accept from now on? Is that how you define ‘moderate Republican’?

“In fact, how DO you define ‘moderate Republican’? Let’s break that word down, shall we? How exactly are any of this woman’s beliefs ‘moderate’ in any fair sense of the word?”

The time to get the Party to commit to a working definition of “moderation” is is NOW. If the Party is forced to do this then they won’t be able to pull a similar stunt again on the assumption that they can just sluff off any dissatisfaction with their chosen radical as “unwillingness to tolerate moderation”.

Republicans, you’re not going to continue to let them get away with that are you?

RD on November 2, 2009 at 7:45 AM

This “lesson” should also be a STRONG CAUTION for every primary coming up in 2010. DO NOT VOTE EARLY with your mail-in absentee ballot. It still counts if you put it in the mail the last day.

Rovin on November 2, 2009 at 7:47 AM

Not sure who that lady is, but she needs to get herself a decent foundation garment.

Hope on November 2, 2009 at 7:48 AM

“*Scozzafava endorses Democrat in NY-23*”

And now for the good news:
Another RINO leaves the reservation and enters the dead zone
:)
.

philly_PA on November 2, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Either Scozzafava doesn’t mind throwing Republicans under the bus for a little dog-in-the-manger revenge, or she’s a lot closer in policy to the Democrat than the conservative candidate.

I’ll take door #2 Alex.

Has Newt endorsed Owens yet?

BacaDog on November 2, 2009 at 8:02 AM

Oh – one question comes to mind………

Can’t any donors to Scozzafava who want their contributions back call the campaign and have them returned?

If so, they should light up the switchboard today. Starting with the GOP and the NRCC.

BacaDog on November 2, 2009 at 8:09 AM

We hear this all time — conservatives in the GOP have to play nice with the moderates.

We never hear the other, that moderates should play nice with conservatives. Why is that? Consider the facts:

In Michigan’s 7th Congressional District, conservative Tim Walberg challenged the very liberal Joe Schwartz in the 2006 Republican Primary and won. Walberg went on to win the general election.

In 2008, Schwartz endorsed Democrat Mark Schauer and Shauer used that endorsement to squeak out a win in this +2 Republican District.

In Maryland 1, conservative physician and state senator Andy Harris ran in the Republican Primary against Wayne Gilchrist. Harris defeated Gilchrist only to see Gilchrist throw his support to Democrat Frank Kratovil, who won with 49.12% of the vote.

In Arizona 5, conservative David Schweikert won the Republican nomination, but then lost to liberal Democrat Harry Mitchell. Why? Schweikert’s primary opponent refused to help him and sat on his hands rather than help Schweikert pick up his opponent’s primary support.

In Alabama 2, Jay Love beat Harri Anne Smith in the Republican Primary and ran against Bobby Bright in an R +16 district. Smith endorsed the Democrat and Bright went on to win 50.23% of the vote.

In New York 23, the liberal Dede Scozzafava drops out and instead of supporting the guy the GOP crawls on bended knee to, she endorses the Democrat.

All the time we hear “conservatives can’t win the general” and “conservatives should play nice with moderates.” The record shows that the moderates cannot take losing and conservatives don’t win the general because the moderate GOP stabs them in the back.

If we are a team, it can’t just be the conservative players in trouble for not passing the ball.

The liberals in the GOP are simply trojan horses put in to advance socialism. The creation of Republican Advance by Rockefeller is the genesis of the GOP’s infestation. The GOP leadership is infested with socialists.

True_King on November 2, 2009 at 8:23 AM

This picture is Miss Piggy meets Code Pink…

right2bright on November 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM

You know it’s a shame – Scozzafava is a name begging for parody.

ace tomato on November 2, 2009 at 12:30 AM

It’s almost as bad as ‘teabagger’!

simplesimon on November 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Yet another Dem that tried to pass themselves off as a Repub to prevent the election of a true conservative. The real crime here is that the RNC ever supported this woman.

conservativecaveman on November 2, 2009 at 8:28 AM

It’s almost as bad as ‘teabagger’!

simplesimon on November 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM

We really wish you 38″-chested beta male Libs would us out of your homosexual fantasies.

But it’s too much to ask, I suppose. Sort like getting you to act like men at all.

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Consensus is that this waste of oxygen is a female. The disagreement is whether it is Deb Frisch or Deb Schlussel. It was banned previously as capitulus and is still “stupid on a stick”.

kingsjester on November 2, 2009 at 8:34 AM

…and is still “stupid on a stick”.

And, like corn-dogs, can probably also be bought at the fair.

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 8:36 AM

It’s almost as bad as ‘teabagger’!

simplesimon on November 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Has it ever struck you as ironic that you liberals have chosen an invective term that is only understood by your fellow deviants? You’ve got a great inside joke there, but unfortunately it’s an inside joke. So you all amuse yourselves with your anti-gay humor, while the rest of us watch the Republicans win one, two, and three tomorrow.

Rational Thought on November 2, 2009 at 8:37 AM

I want to hear Newt try to explain why he was right again!!

jeffn21 on November 2, 2009 at 8:38 AM

No wonder the polls tanked for her late in the game. She obviously really is far more of a Democrat than GOP.

AnninCA on November 2, 2009 at 8:41 AM

…-23, NJ, VA.

“I love the smell of Dem facepalm in the morning… it smells… like victory.”

http://parallax-view.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/apclypsnow_duvall.jpg

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 8:41 AM

No need to attack Scozzafava personally or to make unsavory comments on her appearance. If she were an honest-to-God conservative, we’d be berating trolls for makingsuch remarks.

I realize our side has more easy-on-the-eye females in the public forum, but there is not reason to gloat over it. Let’s just admire their brilliant minds and solid grounding in reality, and leave the silly kid stuff to the Far Left.

That all said, Scozzafava is pretty much finished in GOP circles. I hope she has a “Plan B” option available, preferably something that keeps her out of the legislative process in NY or elsewhere.

itzWicks on November 2, 2009 at 8:43 AM

itzWicks on November 2, 2009 at 8:43 AM

I heard she’s planning on traveling to the Sudan to provide shade to the children.

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 8:45 AM

The latest polls have McDonnel up by double digits in VA.

AnninCA on November 2, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Like Bunker Hill, this situation could be the shot heard around the world.

volsense on November 2, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Darn you for making me snicker at that snark! ;-)

itzWicks on November 2, 2009 at 8:49 AM

What “indignities” did Scuzzyface suffer at Hoffman’s hands — other than having Hoffman (accurately) point out that she is further to the left than the Democratic candidate?

AZCoyote on November 2, 2009 at 7:35 AM

He challenged her right to have the seat given to her by acclaim.

Liberals don’t believe that people have a right to disagree with them.

MarkTheGreat on November 2, 2009 at 8:51 AM

itzWicks on November 2, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Belt-fed mockery; it’s not just for breakfast anymore.

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Scozzafava endorses Democrat in NY-23

phew, that was close NY-23

and should result in replacing the GOP bosses in NY-23 who bungled it

double quick time (probably on union payroll anyway)

runner on November 2, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Let’s just admire their brilliant minds and solid grounding in reality, and leave the silly kid stuff to the Far Left.

Right, right. Let’s not hope she gets cancer, shall we?

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Right, right. Let’s not hope she gets cancer, shall we?

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Can we hope that her kidneys fail ???

I mean, it’s something Obama can laugh about, right ???

Jerome Horwitz on November 2, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 9:02 AM

How can you support such an obvious bovine greenhouse gas emitter? Where are your Lefty sensibilities?

And all that polyester…

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Who the heck would wish that?!

I recall a USA Today columnist wishing the spouse of Clarence Thomas serve the justice lots of bacon and eggs so that he would get a heart attack and died early. Talk about evil thinking.

Anyone that publicly utters such remarks instantly marginalizes themselves on the discussion front, and needs to be summarily dismissed. I understand passion, but c’mon!

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to go after Scozzafava, other squishy moderates, and left-of-center souls. Wishing illness and worse to such people says more about the commenters than the politicians themselves.

People need to get a grip.

itzWicks on November 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

The odds were pretty good that she would have pulled an Arlen if she won. I’m just amazed at how naive the GOP is. I think I’ll call them to get my share of what they wasted on her. Grrrrrrr.

Nalea on November 2, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Wishing illness and worse to such people says more about the commenters than the politicians themselves.
People need to get a grip.

itzWicks on November 2, 2009 at 9:14 AM

The debilitating desease of liberalism is bad enough. Frankly, I would pray for her to be cured of this terrible malady, but I think it’s metastasized to her soul and is politically end-stage.

SKYFOX on November 2, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Dede does Conservatives a scuzzy favor under the bus.

As Mara Liasson, who is not exactly a conservative icon, said on Fox News Sunday, this is why there should have been a primary, instead of “Republican leaders” selecting a candidate. Had there been a Republican primary, Hoffman would have won it easily, and cruised into Congress while unifying the Republicans in upstate New York.

Although Hoffman will probably win this seat, this doesn’t mean that conservatives should always make third-party runs, as Libertartian candidates getting 1 or 2 percent can sometimes help elect Democrats in close races. Hoffman is a good fit for NY-23, but may not be electable in bluish-purple districts. But this is why Republican VOTERS should select the party’s candidate in a primary, not some bigwigs who think they know better than the voters.

Steve Z on November 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM

I am amazed you finally came to this conclusion. I am sure it came with a ton of kicking and screaming on your part.

Here is the question that needs to be asked. How big is the Republican tent? At some point it will break apart if you keep stretching to meet every odd ball and leftist. That is why there are two major parties with some other minor ones. Dede’s heart was left, her “R” was only a convenience to get her elected. Once that was gone, she followed her heart.

archer52 on November 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM

How big is the Republican tent?

Pretty small these days. You have to pass the litmus test and run the gauntlet of the howling ideologues.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Pretty small these days. You have to pass the litmus test and run the gauntlet of the howling ideologues.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 10:49 AM

From the guy that wishes cancer on people…
It obviously is not big enough to include a turncoat…we smelled a rat, and it was her.
The tent is not big enough to have liars, fakes, phony’s, we leave that for the liberals, they embrace tax evaders, hooker and drug users, payola experts…
Now, how many negotiations have been on C-span from your leader?

right2bright on November 2, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Is Newt taking money from Soros now? Perhaps not, but there is good reason to question the loyalties of those who pushed for S-fava at both the local and national levels.

National leaders we need to question their wisdom, local leaders we need to question their affiliation. Either way, it is long past time to clear the decks of the loser leadership that brought the party down hard in 06 and 08.

Conservative not Republican, you have been warned.

Angry Dumbo on November 2, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Ask Grow Fins to identify pro-life Democrats who have a national profile. Oh. There aren’t any.

Litmus test? Howling ideologues? Which side are we talking about?

Cicero43 on November 2, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Ask Grow Fins to identify pro-life Democrats who have a national profile. Oh. There aren’t any.

Litmus test? Howling ideologues? Which side are we talking about?

Cicero43 on November 2, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Shhh. Stop making sense.

HornetSting on November 2, 2009 at 11:22 AM

From the guy that wishes cancer on people…

Give me a break you moron. That was one of yours, not me.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Here you go, not2bright, upthread……

Eff that pig

she deserves cancer since she was living a lie and is pissed because she was caught

just put a d on front of your name and we’d be fine yet this slug of a women ran as a r in name only and if elected would have followed the commie leaders

eff her

Sonosam on November 1, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM

The tent is not big enough to have liars, fakes, phony’s

No apostrophe there, dummy.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM

The progressive/liberal/statist/socialist/communist ilk has infiltrated every piece of our society: education, media, arts, politicians, lobbying, unions, business, science, elections, medicine, etc. Why would anyone assume that their attack on our country stopped at the Republican Party door? Of course they’ve infiltrated the Repubs! That way they can destroy Conservatives last hope for defeating them. Eventually, the distinctions between the two parties will become less and less. The result will be all kinds of mavericks “crossing the aisle” and “working in a bipartisan” way to solve our many problems. How genius of them.

frizzyb on November 2, 2009 at 11:31 AM

frizzyb

A red under every bed, eh?

The progressive/liberal/statist/socialist/communist ilk has infiltrated every piece of our society: education, media, arts, politicians, lobbying, unions, business, science, elections, medicine, etc.

It’s called “reality.”

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 11:35 AM

medicine

Wow. We need conservative doctors now? God forbid you get operated on by a liberal surgeon. Heavens.

This post illustrates why the internecine war in the GOP is a good thing for all but republicans. It’s exposed the shrill, ideologically rigid Palinista wing of the party. the Bircherite rump who, if they could get away with it, would happily eliminate every transgresser and reservation-jumper in order to maintain the hysterical boundaries of True Conservatism.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Frankly, I think that the local Republican party officials did the party a favor in picking Scozzafava as their candidate and causing this uproar. It’s still three years to the general election, and it’s actions like these that drive the conservative base nuts. Because it’s so early, the conservatives have plenty of time to clean out the RINOs and let them know, they will not be tolerated anymore. Polls show that conservatives outnumber liberals 2:1. We need the time to find some true conservatives to lead the party. If this had happened in 2011, we’d be hard pressed to find someone and end up with another McCain. God forbid.

Special K on November 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I sense a strange new respect inbound.

TheUnrepentantGeek on November 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM

…It’s exposed the shrill, ideologically rigid Palinista wing of the party…
Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Because if you’re not “ideologically rigid”, children, you can:

-be one of the feet-stamping gays attacking the Mormon church instead of the fifty per cent or more of California Dems that voted for Prop 8

-be one of the stalwart Not-In-My-Name pacifists that has mysteriously fallen silent… and left Cindy Sheehan twisting in the wind… with the rest of the mothers of fallen servicemen

-lament of the plight of those poor victims, the Palestinians, as they murder children and train their own to live for hatred

-seek to renew the failed policies of the Great Society that have ensured the misery of generations while patting yourself on the back and silently, smugly, glowing in your own superiority

-sing the praises of The One for his commitment to environmental policies that will first punish those neanderthals in fly-over country, and then reduce our nations economic stature in the world because we’re, like, evil, you know

Open-mindedness is for pussies, like Grow fins, too lazy to form an opinion.

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 11:57 AM

The tent is not big enough to have liars, fakes, phony’s

No apostrophe there, dummy.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM

There’s no ‘y’ in phonies, dummy.

If you’re going to correct someone’s grammar, correct them correctly.

James on November 2, 2009 at 12:01 PM

It seems that after tomorrow, the name “Dede” will return to meaning an obscure French film by Jean-Louis Benoît; nothing more.

IntheNet on November 2, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Actually, Fins, I was admiring them for their ability to get their message across and their insight into accomplishing their goals. I repeat,”HOW CLEVER OF THEM.” Conservatives have sat idly for the last 40 years while progressive/statists have fabulously pushed their agenda and with much success. Now that the water has reached full boil (so to speak) conservatives are realizing how they were outplayed by their opponents. How clever of the Left.

There are always going to be ideological battles. The Left has played theirs brilliantly. But conservatives are fighting back. Late, but not too late.

frizzyb on November 2, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Doorgunner

Good luck with your revolution.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Open-mindedness is for pussies

Wow.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Oh Fins, I forgot to address your other post. I do not care if my doctor is a lib or not. What I care about is when a group of lib doctor gather together with other lib doctors and then, go to my political leaders to lobby for their liberal agendas such as ObamaCare. Now I have a problem with their idealogy.

Same goes for teachers. When your liberal ideology leads to the NEA, which leads to no “diversity” in education ie, mostly liberal schools and colleges, then I have a problem with their idealogy.

You personally can be a lib. But when it spreads beyond the scope of the right’s of my state or beyond the scope of the constitution, then I have a problem.

I think California has a right to be as liberal as it wants to be. Those who agree can move there. Those who disagree can leave or stay and fight.

But I think my state has a right to be conservative as it wants to be. Unfortunately, the Left has tried to impose its agenda through each individual state and that has proved to be too difficult. So now they are trying to impose its agenda on a national level. Now, I have a big problem with that.

frizzyb on November 2, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Open-mindedness is for pussies

Wow.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:16 PM

I know. It’s totally unbelievable that people would be unwilling to agree with you.

It’s … it’s almost as if they’d already considered the facts and taken a stance entirely without your help. How could the unenlightened, unwashed masses have done such a thing? Surely they lack the intellect necessary to have an informed a opinion.

TheUnrepentantGeek on November 2, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:13 PM

You implosively miss the point. But the members of Jack Merridew’s tribe always will.

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Open-mindedness is for pussies

Wow.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Stole it from Mencken, glad you like it.

Doorgunner on November 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Today, the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC), the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) and the RNC itself must be held-up in a corner of some remote cave, licking their political wounds.

And let’s not forget Newt Gingrich….Who shocked conservative circles around the country when he endorsed Dede Scozzafava in the NY-23 congressional race. Scozzafava, who even by modern definitions is so left of center that she barely falls into the category of “RINO”, was endorsed by all the above…Newt, the NRCC, the NRSC and Michael Steele of the RNC. As Michelle Malkin put it:
(snip)

Scozzafava isn’t just “anybody who doesn’t agree with us 100 percent.”

She’s an ACORN-Friendly, Big Labor-Backing, Tax-and-Spend, Margaret Sanger Award-Winning Radical in GOP Clothing — a left-wing saboteur who seeks to marginalize mainstream conservatism with conservatives’ own money.

(Click the purple links in the quote above for more info….)

I wonder if Scozzafava’s endorsement of the democrat still in the running against Doug Hoffman finally taught the supposed GOP leadership a lesson?

Let’s hope so…Because the “Scozzafava Affair” has become a modern-day version of “The Shot Heard ‘Round The World” for the GOP establishment.

No longer will we blindly accept the crap you’re shovelin’!
No longer will we embrace and mimic (even to a small degree) the stances and ideology of the left, in order to bring those who claim they are “moderate” into the “big tent” of the GOP.

No sir…No Ma’am!
That ends here.

And the rebuilding begins….Now!
If you’re not going to pony-up and lead the party by effectively communicating politically conservative ideology to the voting populace, then get out of the way, and let “nature” take its course! We’ll pick the leaders, campaign for them, donate time and money to them, and tell YOU to support them! Remember, that’s how this “game” is supposed to be played?!

Newt had it all wrong on Scozzafava.
We can no longer look at charts and statistics and say “well, this candidate more closely represents what the numbers indicate as being the political make-up of their district (or state)”. Forget the numbers. Forget the charts. Forget the stats. Why not try what works….Actual politically conservative ideals!

I shouldn’t have to list these, but I will:

-Lower taxes
-Less government
-More individual freedom

I could go on, but I think the point is made.

If the “Tea Parties” did one thing for the conservative (and moderate) voting population in this country, it allowed civic-minded people of all ages and backgrounds to get a refresher course on just how our system of government is supposed to work. It allowed them to see that things haven’t been right for a long long time, and obama is but a small cog in the huge “wheel” of a political machinery gone wrong. No no…This voter angst has been building for quite some time, and obama and those who share his ideology simply provided the “steam” needed to finally awaken the “conservative giant” from its fitfull slumber.

Those “Tea Parties” and townhall events are political “pressure valves”, where those who are tired of being ignored, belittled, and betrayed by most elected officials in Washington, can give voice to their concerns, frustrations and calls for action!

Even before a ballot is cast in the November 2009 elections, the “Scozzafava Affair” will go down in history as being the “warning shot” put across the “bow” of the supposed GOP “leadership”.

For those within GOP “leadership” positions or PAC’s…Take the hint….This is only the beginning.

We’re paying attention.
We’re marking the time.
And we vote…According to conservative ideals, and not those of our supposed leadership. And the more you castigate those who even lean to the right for not doing as you say, the more you’ll prove yourselves unworthy of the votes and money you cannot operate without.

Can you hear us now?
Dede Scozzafava can….

Talismen on November 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM

You personally can be a lib.

thanks for the permission, Freedom Boy.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:53 PM

You implosively miss the point.

And what is the point of “open-mindedness is for pussies,” Mr. Doorgunner?

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM

It’s … it’s almost as if they’d already considered the facts and taken a stance entirely without your help. How could the unenlightened, unwashed masses have done such a thing? Surely they lack the intellect necessary to have an informed a opinion.

What does this have to do with being closed-minded and seeing that as a virtue?

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM

What does this have to do with being closed-minded and seeing that as a virtue?

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM

How about being open-minded about torturing children? Beating your wife with a metal pipe? Concentration camps and gulags? Yes, by all means, lets be open-minded about every conceivable thing.

Open-mindedness is not a virtue, schmuck.

spmat on November 2, 2009 at 1:16 PM

What “indignities” did Scuzzyface suffer at Hoffman’s hands — other than having Hoffman (accurately) point out that she is further to the left than the Democratic candidate?

AZCoyote on November 2, 2009 at 7:35 AM

Which makes it likely that Dede and Hoffman have one thing in common: the propensity to support Owens in the event that either one had to drop out of the race!

Steve Z on November 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM

+1

Here is the question that needs to be asked. How big is the Republican tent? At some point it will break apart if you keep stretching to meet every odd ball and leftist.

archer52 on November 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM

“Well, it’s more of an elastic membrane than a tent, really…”

RD on November 2, 2009 at 1:18 PM

So much for the moronic “big tent” philosophy of the RINO Rebubs that make up the RNC and the RNCC. However, I believe they are too self centered and elitist to learn a lesson.

ultracon on November 2, 2009 at 1:46 PM

thanks for the permission, Freedom Boy.

Grow Fins on November 2, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Boy?? Who are you calling “Boy”? Raaaaaacist!!

frizzyb on November 2, 2009 at 2:03 PM

I personally have found the story of upstate NY compelling. We had a woman, backed by the party GOP, endorsed first by major GOP voice on TV, recieving major GOP money……..totally blow it.

Unbelievable drama.

You could write this and sell it.

Nobody wants what the standard GOP is trying to sell.

Get a clue, buddies.

AnninCA on November 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM

What “Fins” and the other spammers will always try to deny is the symbolism of the pink(o) pantsuit (and high-chinned pose) as Hillary’s uniform during the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy days of passing off Bubba’s various perversions onto conspiracy theories.

The Scozz is a Specteresque plant outed by Palin. I agree with earlier poster that Scozz would likely have changed party affiliation if elected and once the GOP had paid her campaign bills. The Scozz open obeisance to the DNC now that she’s been outed as impostor is indicated by the pink pantsuit. The only other acceptable costume choice for the turncoat’s announcement would have been Hillary’s other famous symbolic costume… her famous Viet Cong black pajamas pantsuit.

viking01 on November 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM

When you see people who SELF IDENTIFY themselves with names like “viking01” and “ultracon,” you just have to ask yourself; “WTF?”

Star20 on November 2, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Ftfy.

Physician, heal thyself.

Has it ever struck you as ironic that you liberals have chosen an invective term that is only understood by your fellow deviants? You’ve got a great inside joke there, but unfortunately it’s an inside joke.
Rational Thought on November 2, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Unfortunately, that little bit of media-fueled nastiness is not limited to obsessive news-watchers and hardcore gamers. You can thank them and them alone for polluting our culture (even more than usual) with the ‘teabagger’ meme.

Dark-Star on November 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM

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