Paul: Obama administration has botched H1N1 effort

posted at 11:30 am on October 31, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I’m torn on this clip. Ron Paul comes close to edging into tinfoil-hat territory when he talks about the swine-flu emergency allowing the federal government to track everyone’s movements and when he questions the benefits of vaccinations in general, but for the most part makes a lot of sense in his blast at the White House for its handling of the supposed epidemic. For instance, Paul points out what most of the media has neglected to report in its breathless coverage of the H1N1 spread, which is that 1,000 deaths from H1N1 in 2009 is one-third of what the US sees in a typical month from the normal flu (via Andrew Malcolm):

So why declare a national emergency? Why scare everyone over a strain that appears to be less dangerous than the normal flu? Paul says that Obama wants to use it to grab further control and power, but at least so far Obama has not asked for any particular authority that the federal government didn’t already have. And as the vaccines continue to get delayed — we’re high-risk because of the First Mate’s immune suppression — the more the federal government appears incompetent and bungling, hardly the way to build confidence for future power grabs.

Paul’s right, though, about how the White House has mishandled the disease. They’ve acted like Joe Biden flying coach, contributing to hysteria rather than providing calm leadership. That’s emerging as a pattern in this administration.


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I’m on my third week battling what I’m pretty sure is H1N1, and it’s made a believer out of me. Get your vaccination.

evergreen on October 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Dang. I’m agreeing with Ron Paul AGAIN?

Fishoutofwater on October 31, 2009 at 11:34 AM

amazing how the media don’t care about him now that a spoiler for the GOP isn’t needed, till at least 2012 that is.

rob verdi on October 31, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Funny thing is Axelrod was on NPR saying that the White House botched H1N1.

William Amos on October 31, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Ron Paul makes a lot of sense on some domestic issues even while sounding loony in the process but on so many things he just comes across as bats#!t crazy and this might be one of them.

Yakko77 on October 31, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Ron Paul comes close to edging into tinfoil-hat territory when he talks about the swine-flu emergency allowing the federal government to track everyone’s movements …

Ed … don’t you think that at least some of the things Thomas Paine wrote in “Common Sense” were a bit “tin foil”??

And some of the complaints of the colonists against the crown were also a bit “tin foil”. One thing I can think of was increased taxes to pay for the French and Indian war – which many colonists saw as a “milking” of their prosperity.

I’m not condemning the American Revolution here – the colonists were right to revolt on the “big picture” – but a few of their grievances were exaggerated.

Point I’m making here – can’t Ron Paul be useful to the new Liberty Movement even though some of his inflection in making the point seem to go over the top?

If you need a word for it – the democrats have one – it’s called “Emotionalizing” … they do it all the time.

HondaV65 on October 31, 2009 at 11:39 AM

I’m on my third week battling what I’m pretty sure is H1N1, and it’s made a believer out of me. Get your vaccination.

evergreen on October 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Just curious, why do you think it’s H1N1 instead of the ‘regular’ flu? Are there different symptoms? I’ve heard that there is a test but that it’s very expensive and doctors don’t usually do it for that reason.

Oldnuke on October 31, 2009 at 11:40 AM

All they have to do is copy and paste most of that sentence to all things involved….

‘The Obama Administration has botched……’

tatersalad on October 31, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Spathi and The Dean will take over the thread in 5…4…3…

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 11:41 AM

My daughter and I have both had it, and while it has been a slow recovery, I would not recommend the vaccine. My husband is a doctor and he is VERY against it.

That being my opinion only, it stinks that they make such a big deal about it and then can’t deliver. This administration is like “Chicken Little”.

catlady on October 31, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Castro America is “Sicko” for spreading Swine flu to us

“We had the strange case where the United States on one hand authorized more trips for a large number of people carrying the virus, and on the other prohibited us from obtaining equipment and medicine to combat the virus,” Castro said.

Cuba’s government blames Washington’s 47-year-old trade sanctions for shortages of medical supplies, though U.S. law allows direct sale of American medical equipment to this country, where health care is free for all citizens.

Found that online today

William Amos on October 31, 2009 at 11:42 AM

he flippled the nutter switch again the other day on Iran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYX9xhRi_to&feature=player_embedded

Tim Grainey for GOP Nominee over Paul any day.

jp on October 31, 2009 at 11:42 AM

And as the vaccines continue to get delayed — we’re high-risk because of the First Mate’s immune suppression — the more the federal government appears incompetent and bungling, hardly the way to build confidence for future power grabs.

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I started to make this point last night at a get-together with some friends… I let the mood of the gathering go back to a less challenging tone though because I was a guest at a newly widowed friends house…
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Less of a sensitive setting and my Obama voter (and Bush hater) friends would have been defending this lack of prep… I did mention the months of lead time that they had… But never got to the comparison to Katrina… You know, 5 day notice, and tens-of-thousands of idiots that sat there and volunteered to be victims of a cat 5 hurricane’s complete devastation…
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Bush’s part in that suffering… He couldn’t cure stupid, and the water took a while to get to the dome.
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Incompetence is too weak a word for this H1N1 response… Intentional seems more appropriate.
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RalphyBoy on October 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Oldnuke on October 31, 2009 at 11:40 AM

There is a test for the H1N1, however, it comes back negative 50% of the time. My daughter’s school had about 10% of their students affected in a three week period but not all tested positive for H1N1. Healthcare professionals in general are aware of how unreliable the test is.

catlady on October 31, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Point I’m making here – can’t Ron Paul be useful to the new Liberty Movement even though some of his inflection in making the point seem to go over the top?

Spend sometime over at Lew Rockwell’s blog

the answer is NO, these guys are to the EXTREME LEFT(just like their idol Murray Rothbard who allied with the “New Left”). They think Obama is a “Peacemaker” and the Republicans are “Murderers” if that tells you anything, re Foreign Policy.

They are either political fools or working with the left to destroy the GOP from within.

To them, the most distrustful Govt. in the world is the United States and countries like Iran are reasonable actors. I have other problems with them, they lie about what the Constitutiotn says, what the Founders did, history of GOP and conservatism, etc.

jp on October 31, 2009 at 11:47 AM

If you think RP is over the top you should hear that insane talker Alex Jones.

fourdeucer on October 31, 2009 at 11:47 AM

RalphyBoy on October 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM

I was thinking the same thing!!!

Katrina – idiots/criminals who don’t get out of town….water didn’t rise for a couple days after….decades of local political corruption and graft contributing…

H1N1 – Incompetent administration so narcissistic that they can’t get their head out of their rear to get something done. If this had been a privatized, you can bet there would have been holy hell at the first schedule slip, with demands for an immediate recovery of schedule process put into place. Time is money, and the private companies know it…

catlady on October 31, 2009 at 11:49 AM

It is the utmost in incompetence. Whip up hysteria for a less fatal flue strain than the regular flue, and THEN you don’t deliver on the vaccine.

I actually think this is actually a blessing in disguise. Fewer people will be hurt or killed by the vaccine and everyone gets to see what an incompetent boob Obambi truly is.

Mojave Mark on October 31, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Remember the Bird Flu scare from awhile back? “V for Vendetta” used it in their film, a movie Paultards love of course being a Nihilistic porn movie and all.

IMO, the Feds are worried about a Bio-Terror attack coming through some new virus like this. have been for a long time.

jp on October 31, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Got to agree with Dr. Paul here. The Obama Administration has really messed up this whole Swine Flu mess. The vaccine alone was a disaster, but declaring a national emergency was way overboard. It just is not that bad. Has this government handled anything right?

I must say though that I am hoping and praying that Dr. Paul is wrong about Obama will use this to grab power.

Shogun144 on October 31, 2009 at 11:52 AM

jp on October 31, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Well you may be right – I’m not a Ronulan. But it seems to me they oppose big government. If we can kill this big government takeover of our liberty – then we can get back to where the founders intended us to be – whether the Ronulans understand what that was or not.

I’m just hesitant of telling them they can’t play a roll in helping us reclaim this country. That’s all.

HondaV65 on October 31, 2009 at 11:52 AM

catlady on October 31, 2009 at 11:44 AM

If that’s the case then all the numbers we’ve been hearing for H1N1 have to be bogus. Just estimated numbers without any real proof to back it up. I’d still like to know if there are any differing symptoms that give the doctors, or the victims, a clue to the type of flu. I had a regular flu shot and discussed the H1N1 with my doctor then. I opted not to get the vaccination.

Oldnuke on October 31, 2009 at 11:52 AM

How old is this video? Didn’t the Obama kids get their flu shot the first part of this week?

When I first watched Ron Paul in the debates, and he talked about removing the entire Board of Education, I thought what a wack job…. now I’m taking a second look at Ron (Not because anything is better than Obama) because he may be right, just that the dismantalling of that huge org should be in small pieces.

bbordwell on October 31, 2009 at 11:53 AM

The problem is not the deaths, it is the individuals that are dying and being put flat but this version of the flu. It is the first flu where perfectly healthy children and young adults are being killed by it. Normally the flu proves devastating to those with already compromised immune symptoms, particularly the elderly, infants,and those with diseases where their immune system is being destroyed or suppressed.

That is why this flu is so alarming.

Magnus on October 31, 2009 at 11:53 AM

tinfoil-hat territory when he talks about the swine-flu emergency allowing the federal government to track everyone’s movements

its a theme that they bring up over and over.

Remember the Crackpot(and in some cases Racist) Ron Paul Newsletters which the media doesn’t care about? The Solicitation letter told people that their new Federal Notes had tracers in them for the Feds to be able to track their every movement.

jp on October 31, 2009 at 11:55 AM

When I first watched Ron Paul in the debates, and he talked about removing the entire Board of Education, I thought what a wack job…. now I’m taking a second look at Ron (Not because anything is better than Obama) because he may be right, just that the dismantalling of that huge org should be in small pieces.

bbordwell on October 31, 2009 at 11:53 AM

He also proposed the abolition of the CIA and FBI, and claims the Military can be dismantled to levels the extreme left beleive in because nobody would ever attack us and if they do, all we need is some missles to defend ourselves at that point.

jp on October 31, 2009 at 11:57 AM

I still get creeped out by Paul, even when I agree with what he is saying. It is sort of like when you are the one that gets stuck in traffic right on top of the railroad tracks; there is no train in sight, no lights flashing, no bells going off, and still you really wish you were someplace else.

MikeA on October 31, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Oldnuke on October 31, 2009 at 11:52 AM

There are some differentiating symptoms but I am sorry I do not have that in my head right now to be able to type up here. The swine flu is “mild” (yeah right) and right now is hitting kids more than older adults.

And you are right. Just like the “jobs saved or created” the numbers are estimated, not hard count.

Personally I have not had flue shot for forty years, and this is the first time I got the flu, which I know was because of my kidlet. Soooo… I am just not a flu shot believer. Hey if you think it works, go for it!

But… this H1N1 vaccine – not tested enough, too hurried in production.. production methods changes in mid stream…. hmmmmm
Also I am leery anytime the government tells me that something is “ok”.

catlady on October 31, 2009 at 11:59 AM

The death panels that you were told don’t exist.

People 65 Years and Older and 2009 H1N1 Flu…

The new 2009 H1N1 virus does not seem to be affecting people 65 years and older in the same way that seasonal flu usually does. Most people who have gotten sick from this new virus have been younger. … In fact, people 65 and older are the group that is least likely to get infected with this new virus. There have been relatively few infections and even fewer cases of serious illness and death with this new virus in people older than 65. Laboratory tests on blood samples indicate that older
people likely have some pre-existing immunity to the 2009 H1N1 flu virus. But while people 65 and older are the least likely to be infected with 2009 H1N1 flu, those that do become infected are at greater risk of having serious complications from their illness.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/65andolder.htm

ABC News… July 29, 2009

Senior citizens will also have to wait behind 19 to 24 year olds, who often get sick in large numbers at college, but don’t tend to get deathly ill.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Politics/story?id=8199396&page=1&page=1

Any questions?

freedomplow on October 31, 2009 at 12:00 PM

I’m just hesitant of telling them they can’t play a roll in helping us reclaim this country. That’s all.

HondaV65 on October 31, 2009 at 11:52 AM

I understand what you are saying, and if there is an actaul civil war to break out they would definitely be needed. Politically they are counter-productive and an asset to the Left at the end of the day.

the True believers that is.

IMO, if there is any benefit from these loons, its in the department of language and some thinking in general. I think Conservatives should use “Liberty” as a term more than they do, get a little more philosophical in other words. Make sure what they propose centers around Liberty more so than not.

the disagreements with the Paulist would be significant though. You can make a strong case things like the Patriot Act are the defense of Liberty, just not how they define it which is that of “anything the Govt. does goes against Liberty” basically. the Paulist are basically Rothbardian Anarchist

jp on October 31, 2009 at 12:01 PM

What’s the difference between Ron Paul and an ape? The ape smells better.

Percy_Peabody on October 31, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Well, the man IS a doctor…

“DR. INSANO! HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE!”

No, seriously, I’ll take the advice of a licensed physician over some government hack bureaucrat any day.

Orange Doorhinge on October 31, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Magnus on October 31, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Your point is valid, but i must point out that they are not dying of the flu, but of complications … which means their caregivers are not watching their progression to make sure that they are not developing pneumonia, or some other complications. The flu itself is not killing them, it is leaving them vulnerable to other attacks.

catlady on October 31, 2009 at 12:02 PM

He also proposed the abolition of the CIA and FBI, and claims the Military can be dismantled to levels the extreme left beleive in because nobody would ever attack us and if they do, all we need is some missles to defend ourselves at that point.

jp on October 31, 2009 at 11:57 AM

And this is where I have a hard time with this guy. Do we need some massive reductions in our government… yes. Do we need to cut our defense… no. Cut our entitlements… yes. But in this case I agree with Ron, this H1N1 (swine flue) reporting is totally blown out of proportion.

bbordwell on October 31, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Ed, if you want to see real anger, just wait until the American people find out that among the first to receive the H1N1 vaccine are… drum roll, please… Gitmo detainees.

Yep. I repeat it. Gitmo detainees.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Pentagon will offer the H1N1 vaccination to detainees at the U.S. facility at Guantanamo Bay, officials there said Friday.

The Pentagon made the decision based on U.S. government assessments that people held in detention facilities are at high risk for the pandemic, said Maj. Diana R. Haynie, a spokeswoman for Joint Task Force Guantanamo Bay, which is in charge of holding the suspected terrorists.

“Detainees at JTF Guantanamo are considered to be at higher risk and therefore they will be offered the H1N1 vaccination,” Haynie said.

“JTF Guantanamo conducts safe, humane, legal and transparent care and custody of detainees. As such, we must provide detainees the medical care necessary to maintain their health,” she said.

Base officials had not received the vaccinations and did not know when they were expected to arrive, Haynie said.

Once the vaccinations are received, doses will be administered to active-duty personnel before being offered to detainees and others on the base, Haynie said.

Now, watch the fireworks.

(HT: Drudge)

newton on October 31, 2009 at 12:08 PM

And this is where I have a hard time with this guy. Do we need some massive reductions in our government… yes. Do we need to cut our defense… no. Cut our entitlements… yes. But in this case I agree with Ron, this H1N1 (swine flue) reporting is totally blown out of proportion.

bbordwell on October 31, 2009 at 12:07 PM

agree, and it should be noted that about a month ago one of these videos above was on Afghanistan. Paul flatly stated that stopping the “murder of Afghanis” was more important issue than Obamacare. some “libertarian”

jp on October 31, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Although the flu is certainly serious, more so for some persons than others, your point about there being fewer deaths per month during this version of influenza is acute. The CDC has some very good data tools for verifying this statement, and it is verified. One of the CDC physicians reported a couple of weeks ago that rating this version of flu on a hurricane-like scale would put it at a category 1.

According to the CDC statistics there are far more asthma related deaths each year than flu-related, although asthma isn’t communicable.

It appears like a power moment for the Big O. Show some Presidential stuff, some authority and maybe even a distraction from all the poor acts in this multi-ring circus.

Robert17 on October 31, 2009 at 12:11 PM

And as the vaccines continue to get delayed…the more the federal government appears incompetent

And Obama will spin it saying he doesn’t want to take more control, but for the good and health of the country he will have to step in and take over…

vcferlita on October 31, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Making H1N1 a national emergency must be an attempt by the White House to create a “SQUIRREL!” moment. But what are we being distracted from?

If anything, it enhances the belief that the government is incompetent to fill the country’s healthcare needs. Can they be that stupid?

As for RP: Hey, that’s just Ron being Ron. He’s looking increasingly like VP material to me.

ROCnPhilly on October 31, 2009 at 12:19 PM

He’s looking increasingly like VP material to me.

not that it would ever happen….but if it did….

If you thought what the Media/Dems did to Sarah Palin was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet, and this time with alot of Credibility and facts behind the attacks.

talk bout political suicide

jp on October 31, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I’m on my third week battling what I’m pretty sure is H1N1, and it’s made a believer out of me. Get your vaccination.

evergreen on October 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Hugs…. Take care of yourself!

Key West Reader on October 31, 2009 at 12:26 PM

So why declare a national emergency?

A declaration of a national emergency will be the justification for marital law when it occurs. Obama is just testing the waters to see how far he can go.

docdave on October 31, 2009 at 12:41 PM

But… this H1N1 vaccine – not tested enough, too hurried in production.. production methods changes in mid stream…. hmmmmm
Also I am leery anytime the government tells me that something is “ok”.

catlady on October 31, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Down here, they are giving the “vaccine” in school. Um, no. Not my kid.

Back in the 70′s it was routine to be vaccinated in school, but those were reliable and tested vaccines. This one was rushed through, is not thoroughly tested and there is no effing way I’m going to let my kid be a lab rat.

Key West Reader on October 31, 2009 at 12:49 PM

The problem is not the deaths, it is the individuals that are dying and being put flat but this version of the flu. It is the first flu where perfectly healthy children and young adults are being killed by it. Normally the flu proves devastating to those with already compromised immune symptoms, particularly the elderly, infants,and those with diseases where their immune system is being destroyed or suppressed.

That is why this flu is so alarming.

Not true. There are thousands of flu-like viruses out there and any one of them can lead to complications. My daughter had a mild cold the second week of school that turned into bacterial bronchitis, it can happen to anyone.

The reason more young people are getting it this time around is that a lot of older people, especially those born before 1957, have already been exposed, just like any other virus. You get sick less often as an adult because you’re already been exposed and you’re no longer in a daily environment where you’re exposed. The exceptions would be teachers and healthcare workers.

The symptoms aren’t any different than any other flu.

Common Sense on October 31, 2009 at 12:54 PM

PRESENT!

FAIL again, Obama administration.

jukin on October 31, 2009 at 12:54 PM

@ jp

You can dismiss Paul and his supporters all you like; you do it venemously in every Paul related thread. I agree with you he will never be a major contender because of the newsletter debacle, and his extreme foreign policy views, however:

His supporters are very enthusiastic; I have not seen enthusiasm for real liberty in my lifetime as I have with Paul supporters. He gets the college crowd to appreciate Goldwater and libertarian conservatism.

In fact, I started attending tea parties back in Feb. of ’09. Paul supporters dominated these events until they became well-known in July. They continue to show in large numbers.

He and his followers are not leftist; they are rabidly anti-socialism and communism, and many are devout Christians. I understand that the more nihilist anarchist tendencies among some Paul supporters aligns at times with campaigns du jour on the left, eg Iraq. But notice most of the leftists are now silent and no longer anti-war. They were only anti-Bush’s war.

Finally, whatever your negative views of Paul the man, there are several candidates conservatives should support who agree with many of Paul’s views: e.g., Peter Schiff in CT (running in Republican primary for Dodd’s seat on 2010), and Rand Paul running in KY. Rand is more hawkish than his father, and he’s running in the primary against a RINO squish that only a few years ago was a DEMOCRAT!!! There is no reason for conservatives not to support Rand.

Firefly_76 on October 31, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Ron Paul comes close to edging into tinfoil-hat territory when he talks about the swine-flu emergency allowing the federal government to track everyone’s movements …

I bet you wouldn’t have haughtily dismissed such a statement had someone like Flush Lamebaugh said it. Put NOTHING past this administration, especially not something like a ‘national emergency’ which could easily be used as a power grab if 0bama Bin Laden and his cronies can set aside their internal squabbles long enough.

It’s nice to see people at least trying to have an intelligent discussion on Ron and his argument for once…I’m getting the not-so-subtle feeling that many of you are fighting a Pavlovian urge to plug your ears and scream “RAYCIST TINFOIL HATTER!!!!!”

BTW, on that note, thank you HondaV65.

I’m just hesitant of telling them they can’t play a roll in helping us reclaim this country. That’s all.

HondaV65 on October 31, 2009 at 11:52 AM

As for myself, the only way I’ll take this half-baked ‘vaccine’ is at the point of a gun. As others have pointed out there are definite signs that ‘something is rotten in Denmark’…never mind the Chicken Little hysteria by the brainless Barbies and Kens on the ‘news’ channels about H1N1 when the regular version of the flu does more damage every year.

Dark-Star on October 31, 2009 at 1:03 PM

The problem is not the deaths, it is the individuals that are dying and being put flat but this version of the flu. It is the first flu where perfectly healthy children and young adults are being killed by it. Normally the flu proves devastating to those with already compromised immune symptoms, particularly the elderly, infants,and those with diseases where their immune system is being destroyed or suppressed.

That is why this flu is so alarming.

Magnus on October 31, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I agree, we have had 2 healthy kids die in my area in the last month or so, I believe they were 15 and 9, neither had any underlying medical conditions. Scary stuff.

mbs on October 31, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I live in Dallas county. Te county has recently received a large shipment of the vaccine. The county says it will only dispense it’s vaccine to people without insurance. Why cant people with insurance in high risk groups not get this vaccine? Private health carriers do not have it. The Obama administration is definitely using this crisis to manipulate the situation and make a power grab. Whether you have insurance or not, it should never be a reason to withold this kind of vaccine. Why kind of bullshit is this?

paulsur on October 31, 2009 at 1:14 PM

My kid’s been out of school all week. Temp of 104.6 on Tuesday. Went to see the doctor. They had a “If you spoke with us on the phone, please do now what you were told to do over the phone” sign. Which was basically take one of the brown bags, don the mask inside it and wait to be seen.

She was diagnosed with H1N1 and we were sent on our way. Upon leaving we saw others waiting in the waiting area with masks.

I have asthma, which puts me in one of the at risk groups, I asked what I should do. I was told, “We don’t have the vaccine, but if you develop sysmptoms, you should call back and we’ll see if we can get you some Tamiflu, if any is available. Buh bye.”

Contrast that to my daughter’s friend. The one with the flu gets tamiflu and the rest of the household gets the vaccine. I guess it helps if you’re a nurse. Two other families on their block also showed symptoms and they were given Tamiflu as well. The mother told me that if I needed Tamiflu, give them a call and they’d find me some.

It’s who you know now. Later, it’ll be who you contribute to. Let’s stop this push for government-run healthcare, or the whole healthcare system will be run like the black market.

ROCnPhilly on October 31, 2009 at 1:34 PM

The purpose of H1N1 was to create the impression of a crises that our current health care system can\’t handle at just the time health care legislation is coming before Congress. 1000 dead so far from H1N1. More people die from complications of the common cold in a year (bad cold turns to pneumonia, for example).H1N1 so far appears to be a fabricated crisis. And there seems to be some artificial shortage of even seasonal flu vaccine being created by the government. There is none to be had anywhere in my county and it is almost November. I did manage to get my kids vaccinated when the pediatrician had some, but right now there is no vaccine anywhere in the county.

crosspatch on October 31, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I thought Paul was a member of heaven’s gate. Didn’t he off himself to catch the spaceship rolling hale-bopp?

daesleeper on October 31, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Rolling=following

daesleeper on October 31, 2009 at 1:54 PM

I have had it since Monday. Sickest I’ve ever been in my whole life. It’s terrible. And the vaccine is still not available in my area. There was that Purdue study that showed the epidemiology of H1N1 as it spread across the US. It showed that peak weeks of the Virus were last week and this week. So any vaccine is too little too late.

I’ve never gotten a flu shot before. But I recommend getting this one as the symptoms are very bad. Aches pains, deep pain in the lungs, headaches, sweats, chills, not much sleep at night.

And I am generally uber healthy. I run over 1000 miles a year. And I hardly ever get sick. This is the real deal, but as usual, the government’s attempt to do something about it was abject failure.

JeffB. on October 31, 2009 at 2:17 PM

A truly smart person would listen to all that this great American has to say. After all he’s hearing voices of not only pixies, gnomes, gremlins, and leprechauns, but he hears angels too.

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Funny, I thought liberals were supposed to be the ones who thought of themselves as somehow superior and spouted utterly ridiculous, slanderous bullcr*p.

Guess @$$holery is bipartisan.

Dark-Star on October 31, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Funny, I thought liberals were supposed to be the ones who thought of themselves as somehow superior and spouted utterly ridiculous, slanderous bullcr*p.

Guess @$$holery is bipartisan.

Dark-Star on October 31, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Tin foil hats look good on you

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Tin foil hats look good on you

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:35 PM

They might, if I wore them. I read an article once which made a case that tinfoil hats could act as antennas for one’s mindwaves…thus mildly amplifying your thoughts instead of shielding them.

In my book the whole debate is totally academic by now – there are security detectors being made that read the minute details of your facial expression and bio-signs. Remember the term ‘facecrime’? It’s here. Right now. The only things stopping mass implementation are software tweaks and the astronomical costs of the gadgets, neither of which will last forever.

Dark-Star on October 31, 2009 at 3:57 PM

I think the Obama administration took one lesson from Katrina: get out in front NOW!

Unfortunately, this is the same group the came up with the Obama health care plan. Their H1N1 plan contains the same depth and breadth.

karl9000 on October 31, 2009 at 4:01 PM

RP makes alot of sense here, as he does on alot of things. He also dabbles in the fringe a little bit more than most people are comfortable with. That being said however with the current administration I really dont put a whole lot past them and I find myself listening to the fringe more than normal concerning them. As I see the hard left turn that keeps being made and I keep saying to myself it cant get worse and continually get proven wrong.

Koa on October 31, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Ron Paul always reminds me of this Onion clip. It’s one of my favorites. RP=Joad Cressbeckler

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/old_grizzled_third_party

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I’ve never gotten a flu shot before. But I recommend getting this one as the symptoms are very bad. Aches pains, deep pain in the lungs, headaches, sweats, chills, not much sleep at night.

And I am generally uber healthy. I run over 1000 miles a year. And I hardly ever get sick. This is the real deal, but as usual, the government’s attempt to do something about it was abject failure.

JeffB. on October 31, 2009 at 2:17 PM

It sounds like you may have a secondary bacterial infection and you would need an antibiotic. This particular strain of flu seems to develop these more than the regular seasonal flu. Go see your doctor.

If you have kids in school this could get serious real quick. Many of them have come down with bacterial pneumonia and/or bronchitis as a result of having H1N1 and it needs to be treated. It is still a bit early for the seasonal flu so chances are good that most people with flu symptoms have H1N1.

As for states of emergency. New York and Ohio have declared them. Under the declaration, hospitals could modify patient rules — for example, requiring them to give less information to speed treatment.

Also federal rules do not allow hospitals to put up treatment tents more than 250 yards away from their doors; if the tents are 300 yards or more away, typically federal dollars won’t pay for treatment.But this would allow themto set up out-lying clinics, especially in rural areas snd it allows EMT personnel to be trained to assist.

No, we don’t need to panic but we do need to be responsible and sensible, especially with small children and infants.

Deanna on October 31, 2009 at 4:46 PM

the disagreements with the Paulist would be significant though. You can make a strong case things like the Patriot Act are the defense of Liberty, just not how they define it which is that of “anything the Govt. does goes against Liberty” basically. the Paulist are basically Rothbardian Anarchist

jp on October 31, 2009 at 12:01 PM

No, we just aren’t statists like you. Limited government, not no government. Let’s get ride of the department of education, energy, homeland security, etc. They are all just wasteful. The patriot act was the most blatantly unconstitutional piece of legislation passed during the Bush administration. If you can’t see that I don’t know what anyone can do for you.

nazo311 on October 31, 2009 at 4:57 PM

“Perfectly healthy people dying with no underlying conditions.” How in the world would anyone know this?

Vitamin D. It will help.

jjjen on October 31, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Ron Paul is the one of the last authentic conservatives left in this nation. He’s spent his entire political career fighting the monolithic federal reserve which has nefariously created the welfare/warfare state. He’s the closest remnant to a founding father in the current barren political landscape.

Pitchforker on October 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Aside from washing your hands and all that jazz, D3, EFA and C will do the job, for prevention, vaccine reactions and for the flu itself.

Boston launches flu shot tracking

VeriChip shares jump after H1N1 patent license win

VeriChip Takes Off on H1N1 Win

CDC H1N1 forced quarantine docs leak

Obama’s H1N1 Bill to Enact Martial Law

Flu Season Has Peaked

Rae on October 31, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Spend sometime over at Lew Rockwell’s blog

the answer is NO, these guys are to the EXTREME LEFT(just like their idol Murray Rothbard who allied with the “New Left”). They think Obama is a “Peacemaker” and the Republicans are “Murderers” if that tells you anything, re Foreign Policy.

They are either political fools or working with the left to destroy the GOP from within.

To them, the most distrustful Govt. in the world is the United States and countries like Iran are reasonable actors. I have other problems with them, they lie about what the Constitutiotn says, what the Founders did, history of GOP and conservatism, etc.

JP, please cease the baseless hysterics. Most Ron Paul followers are surprisingly just like you. We come from the Taft/Goldwater wing. We believe in free markets, a strong national defense as opposed to flawed imperialistic adventures, & a strict interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. We absolutely loathe that globalist puppet Barack Obama and his meddlesome army of social engineers. And as far as backing Iran and other despotic regimes, that’s a completely ridiculous assertion.

Pitchforker on October 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM

So the country has a medical emergency because about 1000 people have died so far from swine flu. Every day more than 1000 babies are killed by abortion but no call for alarm there. Hmmmm.. What that does say about our society? Just asking…

docdave on October 31, 2009 at 5:36 PM

JP, please cease the baseless hysterics. Most Ron Paul followers are surprisingly just like you. We come from the Taft/Goldwater wing. We believe in free markets, a strong national defense as opposed to flawed imperialistic adventures, & a strict interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. We absolutely loathe that globalist puppet Barack Obama and his meddlesome army of social engineers. And as far as backing Iran and other despotic regimes, that’s a completely ridiculous assertion.

Pitchforker on October 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM

QTF.

He’s spent his entire political career fighting the monolithic federal reserve which has nefariously created the welfare/warfare state.

Too bad the Banking Queen and his cabal of fascist Banksta-owned cronies in CONgress gutted HR 1207.

Rae on October 31, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Tim Grainey for GOP Nominee over Paul any day.

jp on October 31, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Line up the NeoCons. Paul has defeated them for decades now.

They think Obama is a “Peacemaker” and the Republicans are “Murderers” if that tells you anything, re Foreign Policy.

jp on October 31, 2009 at 11:47 AM

That’s a distortion. They’ve been just as brutal against Obama’s actions as Bush.

As far as the foreign policy, I don’t think it’s “extreme” to not invade sovereign nations that have nothing to do with us. Maybe it’s not “extreme” to have a strong defense but also keep our civil liberties such as due process, search and seizure, First Amendment, 2nd amendment, etc. I don’t think there’s an either/or liberties or defense choice the Cheneys and Kristols have tried to set up.

I don’t like the newsletters either as I’ve said before, but when our civil liberties and financial liberties are being destroyed, I’m going to support whoever will restore the rule of law and Constitution even if they have human flaws.

The Dean on October 31, 2009 at 6:09 PM

the disagreements with the Paulist would be significant though. You can make a strong case things like the Patriot Act are the defense of Liberty

jp on October 31, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Is this the same Patriot Act where there were a bunch of arrests of ordinary American citizens without warrants, and they came within a hair’s breadth of getting 5 years in prison if a sane judge (in Connecticut or Vermont, I believe) hadn’t ruled the act unconstitutional?

The Dean on October 31, 2009 at 6:27 PM

I’m just hesitant of telling them they can’t play a roll in helping us reclaim this country. That’s all.

HondaV65

If you partner with nutjobs, you lose any claim to criticizing the other side(dems) for partnering with nutjobs.

xblade on October 31, 2009 at 6:51 PM

If you partner with nutjobs, you lose any claim to criticizing the other side(dems) for partnering with nutjobs.

So Madison, Jefferson and Washington were nutjobs?

Pitchforker on October 31, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Why does Paul want to have the government involved in something that isn’t specifically spelled out in the Constitution….?

;)

JohnTant on October 31, 2009 at 7:10 PM

So Madison, Jefferson and Washington were nutjobs?

Pitchforker

Yes, that’s right…..because Paulbots are nutjobs, that makes Madison, Jefferson and Washington nutjobs.

The logic of nutjobs on display. I rest my case.

xblade on October 31, 2009 at 7:15 PM

RON PAUL IS THE PEOPLE’S PRESIDENT!

When will you RINO’s come around and realize he is right on every issue?!

MaximusConfessor on October 31, 2009 at 7:21 PM

So Madison, Jefferson and Washington were nutjobs?

Pitchforker on October 31, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Paul believes in the same principles as Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson was against the Central Bank and in favor of sound money. It is Jefferson who said we should stay out of entangling alliances. British loyalists and Hamiltonians mocked Jefferson at the time, just as mainstream Republicans and Neocons try to marginalize Dr. Paul.

The Dean on October 31, 2009 at 8:36 PM

It is Jefferson who said we should stay out of entangling alliances.

The Dean on October 31, 2009 at 8:36 PM

I thought that was Washington. Jefferson was a well known Francophile, much to the dismay of Washington and Adams.

JohnTant on October 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

I thought that was Washington. Jefferson was a well known Francophile, much to the dismay of Washington and Adams.

JohnTant on October 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

The “entangling alliances” quote was from Jefferson’s inaugural address, but certainly Washington, Adams, John Quincy Adams, and many others supported the approach at some point of non-interventionism and no foreign aid.

The Dean on October 31, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Was in my local pharmacy today when a mother rushed in frantically asking if they had the vaccine.

Apparently, she’d been driving all over the San Fernando Valley today visiting pharmacies that claimed to have it and didn’t.

She hit yet another dead end at mine and needless to say, was NOT happy when she left.

The Ugly American on October 31, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Just curious, why do you think it’s H1N1 instead of the ‘regular’ flu? Are there different symptoms? I’ve heard that there is a test but that it’s very expensive and doctors don’t usually do it for that reason.

Oldnuke on October 31, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I’ve never had a flu like this, lasting this long. I’ve had stomach along with respiratory symptons. I have a bad ear infection (now on my 2nd round of antibiotics) and have read that bacterial infections crop up with H1N1, either ear, sinus or lung. That’s why most people who died have died- from the secondary infections. Plus they say that the seasonal flu hasn’t hit yet.

evergreen on October 31, 2009 at 11:24 PM

Oh, and no they don’t do the test unless you’re severely ill. The test is unreliable.

evergreen on October 31, 2009 at 11:26 PM

The symptoms aren’t any different than any other flu.

Common Sense on October 31, 2009 at 12:54 PM

I’ve had lots of flu bugs in my life. I’ve never had anything like this. After two straight weeks of misery with no sign it’s going anywhere soon I’m here to tell you, if it weren’t already too late I’d be lining up for the shot. It’s not the severity of symptoms, it’s that it is so persistent. This is one damn tough bug.

evergreen on October 31, 2009 at 11:35 PM

I’ve had lots of flu bugs in my life. I’ve never had anything like this. After two straight weeks of misery with no sign it’s going anywhere soon I’m here to tell you, if it weren’t already too late I’d be lining up for the shot. It’s not the severity of symptoms, it’s that it is so persistent. This is one damn tough bug.

evergreen on October 31, 2009 at 11:35 PM

I had a flu like that about 3 or 4 years ago. I had a fever of 101-103 for 9 straight days. We’ve had bad virus’ in the past.

jjjen on November 1, 2009 at 1:47 AM

A recent study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that of the 36 children who died from H1N1 from April to August, six had no chronic health conditions. But all of them had a co-occurring bacterial infection.

They weren’t perfectly healthy children. I have to wonder what factor the overuse/abuse of antibiotics play in all this.

jjjen on November 1, 2009 at 1:51 AM

I had H1N1 type A a couple of weeks ago. Lasted about a week. Doc said don’t bother with antiviral drugs because I would be over it before they took effect. Took an antibiotic in case of secondary infection and Musinex OTC for congestion. By the way, I work for a city health department and we are not vaccinating anyone over the age of 3 because of lack of vaccine. I heard that Texas didn’t order enough anyway.

gordo on November 1, 2009 at 10:07 AM

JohnTant on October 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Washington’s Farewell Address:

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government…Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

Jefferson First Inaugural Address:
…peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none…

Rae on November 1, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Rae on November 1, 2009 at 11:38 AM

But see, Jefferson was basically a Hamiltonian and Neocon who loved central banking and hated federalism.

That’s what I learned from the National Review, FrontPage Magazine, and “jp” from HotAir so it must be true. They have a really good grasp of U.S. history.

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The Dean on November 1, 2009 at 12:52 PM

PaulObama: ObamaBush administration has botched H1N1 effort

Obigatory. The truth according to Shep Smith.

Fuquay Steve on November 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM

OK, who let the 911 Conspiracy fruitcake, Ron Paul out of his cage?

nelsonknows on November 2, 2009 at 2:03 AM