Gulp: Hoffman’s net favorable rating among Scozzafava supporters at … -42

posted at 4:15 pm on October 31, 2009 by Allahpundit

A not so minor detail from the crosstabs to this morning’s earthquake poll, overlooked by many but not by Nate Silver. The good news? Scozzafava voters dislike the Democrat, giving him a favorable rating of just 19/50.

The bad news? That’s actually higher than they rate Hoffman.

hoff

Ed argued this morning that Scozzafava’s withdrawal is likely to hurt Owens “tremendously” because it frees up a ton of Republican votes. Could be, but how conservative are those votes? Turns out Obama’s net favorable rating among Scozzafava loyalists is … +33, with the split almost a perfect mirror image of The One’s favorables among Hoffman’s supporters:

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Silver breaks it down:

The reality is that a lot of Scozzafava’s ex-supporters, many of whom don’t like either Hoffman or Owens, simply won’t vote. And some of them will still wind up casting their ballots for Scozzafava undaunted, as she’ll still appear on the ballot and may have made herself something of a sympathetic figure. Certainly, it would seem to help Hoffman if Scozzafava decided to endorse him — but only 15 percent of Scozzafava’s voters had a favorable view of Hoffman, so they aren’t going to come over easily, if at all…

If I had to guess, I’d think that of Scozzafava’s support, one-quarter of people don’t vote, one-quarter vote for Scozzafava anyway, 30 percent defect to Hoffman and 20 percent defect to Owens. Extrapolating from the morning’s Siena poll, that would produce a result of Hoffman 43, Owens 42, Scozzafava 5, with 10 percent of the voters still up for grabs.

To no one’s surprise, her union endorsements are already peeling off to Owens, and Dave Weigel notes that the eleventh-hour nature of her withdrawal means that plenty of absentee ballots that have already been mailed will end up on the books for Team Dede. Exit question: Aside from a thumbs up from Scozzafava herself, what hope does Hoffman have to make a dent in those favorable numbers in the next 72 hours? Every big GOP booster helps, sure, but more than anything he needs endorsements from big-name centrist Republicans to send the message that party trumps all in a two-man race with a Democrat (a highly ironic argument for DH to be making, needless to day). Help us, Olympia Snowe, you’re our only hope!

Update: At long, long last, Huckabee finally makes his move. Does he still count as a centrist?


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Gulp: Hoffman’s net favorable rating among all 12 of Scozzafava supporters at … -42

Fixed it for ya.

KSgop on October 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM

I guarantee you that it’s now all about abortion.

jay12 on October 31, 2009 at 4:19 PM

The reality is that a lot of Scozzafava’s ex-supporters, many of whom don’t like either Hoffman or Owens, simply won’t vote.

He forgot the ACORN factor.

katy on October 31, 2009 at 4:19 PM

I’d rather lose with Hoffman than win with Scozzafava.

Hawkins1701 on October 31, 2009 at 4:19 PM

If her supporters are peeling off to Owens, and Owens wins, then this district isn’t as Republican as we’ve been told. RINO, yes. Republican, no.

ncborn on October 31, 2009 at 4:20 PM

And Eeyore comes around the corner…

Enoxo on October 31, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I, innominatus, do hereby endorse Doug Hoffman.

At this stage of the game, my endorsement means about as much as Huck’s. Huck might as well have stayed quiet rather than look so “me too”-ish

innominatus on October 31, 2009 at 4:21 PM

but more than anything he needs endorsements from big-name centrist Republicans

Yeah, right. Like those centrists have been a load of help so far.

I’d rather lose with Hoffman than win with Scozzafava.

Hawkins1701 on October 31, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Yep.

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Was this the poll that surveyed only 200 people?

aikidoka on October 31, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Hoffman has a good chance to win.
If he does not he will have a gigantic machine behind him to run next year.

katy on October 31, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Emotional reaction, like mentally processing an unexpected bad event.
They see him as the one who ruined their candidate. Scozzie was cryin’ a bit, and that hits home to people..probably wanted to hug her and rock back and forth and hate that “bad man”. Hopefully enough of them are adults and will put that childish bitterness on the back burner and not cling to it.

Itchee Dryback on October 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

No regrets if Hoffman loses. It will take years and much pain to purge the RINO’s.

echosyst on October 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

The Huckster pulls an Obama “present”….

Caper29 on October 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Meh. As long as Scozzfava does not win, I shan’t care how her few supporters feel.

nyx on October 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Cool…. I get to say

Sssssssscooooooozzzzzzaaaaaaffffffaaaaavvvvvvaaaaaa

… again.

(Go ahead and try it, it’s fun!)

Seven Percent Solution on October 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

My bad, I was thinking of the early results of a poll by Public Policy Polling.

aikidoka on October 31, 2009 at 4:28 PM

This is something I considered. Were the voters that were behind Scuzabubba true, diehard republicans that just vote for the R behind the name or were they moderate squishes that go whichever way the wind blows?
Though the stench is coming from the left, will the squishes gravitate over there just to vote for the party establishment? Most likely. These moderates squishes don’t vote their values. Most of them don’t have any.

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 4:28 PM

And….who gives a damn about Huckprah?
Stay with your stupid little show. It fits you.

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 4:29 PM

This is one reason I don’t like early voting. Too much can go on in the week before the election. I believe people should be given until the last day to make up their minds.

Early mail-in voting also gives opportunity for abuse … like your boss or union steward demanding that you get a mail-in ballot and filling it out for you and demanding that you sign it or you lose your job (or worse).

crosspatch on October 31, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Awwwww…. too bad for da poor wittle scozzafova supporters.

Boo, hoo, hoo… cwy my wittle eyes out.

Tell the dumb bastards to go register as democrats. Don’t want the stupid SoB’s in the party anway!

thareb on October 31, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I guarantee you that it’s now all about abortion.

jay12 on October 31, 2009 at 4:19 PM

I’m reading it’s all about Bush.

Hoffman needs to run against the Bush GOP and the Democrats, and point out how Obama is just lots more of the same big government, big borrowing, spending and printing, and big banksta bailouts, only this time with higher taxes (the worst of which being the silent killer of the middle class – the inflation tax).

Rae on October 31, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Dems are in the mix now…believe nothing…..just put feet to pavement to help. And cash to him if you have it….The GOP needs to hire bouncers and moderators……this election cannot turn into Minn…..Get some repubs. there that will fight for us…..not just give in.

nondhimmie on October 31, 2009 at 4:30 PM

This race is already won or lost. Nothing that’s gonna happen from here on out will substantially change the outcome. We need to patently wait for the results on Tuesday night.

By the way – I’ll be in NY-23 on Tuesday night!

HondaV65 on October 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM

And of course, the culture of corruption in Washington, on both sides of the aisle.

Rae on October 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM

This is one reason I don’t like early voting. Too much can go on in the week before the election.

crosspatch on October 31, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Neither do I. The early voting crap needs to stop.

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Do not let Hot Air take away the VICTORY of kicking an ACORN, abortion, cap and trade supporter to the curb.

Yeehaw….-42 is better than another Specter, Snowe, Collins, etc.

And hopefully the RINOS were listening..or I guess we will just scream louder.

nondhimmie on October 31, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Help us, Olympia Snowe, you’re our only hope!

Good grief Allah, this is really pathetic.

Bruno Strozek on October 31, 2009 at 4:35 PM

and may have made herself something of a sympathetic figure.

Really?

Are people forgetting that she called the police on a reporter because she didn’t like his question?

She didn’t seem to have any problem wrongfully sending someone to jail to avoid some personal discomfort.

jaime on October 31, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Hoffman should prepare a red meat speech. Whether he wins or loses, he’s going to have the national spotlight Tuesday night. A good chance to get some knife swipes on the asswipes in Washington. He should take it to Pelosi, Reid, and Obama, the unholy triumvirate of American decline. Give’em hell, man!

EMD on October 31, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I am sure that a lot of the name calling did not help. I heard that Hoffman wants Scozzafava’s endorsement and I thought that now might be good time to ease up on the invectives. Hopefully, this will be like the Obama/Clinton rift and it will mostly heal in time. The Democrats would like nothing better than to see a permanent split on the right.

Terrye on October 31, 2009 at 4:38 PM

har on the Obama/Clinton rift healing. maybe regular Dems aren’t clued in on the rift, but the Big Dog(s) are.

kelley in virginia on October 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

This is something I considered. Were the voters that were behind Scuzabubba true, diehard republicans that just vote for the R behind the name or were they moderate squishes that go whichever way the wind blows?
Though the stench is coming from the left, will the squishes gravitate over there just to vote for the party establishment? Most likely. These moderates squishes don’t vote their values. Most of them don’t have any.

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Now, moderates don’t have any values? See seppuku. You may commence cutting.

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Help us, Olympia Snowe, you’re our only hope!

You are too funny, Allahpundit :)

terryannonline on October 31, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Cool…. I get to say

Sssssssscooooooozzzzzzaaaaaaffffffaaaaavvvvvvaaaaaa

… again.

(Go ahead and try it, it’s fun!)

Seven Percent Solution on October 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Sssssssscooooooozzzzzzaaaaaaffffffaaaaavvvvvvaaaaaappppppttttttttthhhhht!

(I think I hurt myself…)

turfmann on October 31, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Same thing happened when happened when Al D’Amato defeated Jacob Javits. They gave birth to the famous Mama D’Amato commercials to allow Javits supporters to like Al.
The difference is that D’Amato had two months to drive down the unfavorables Hoffman has two days.
Also in Upstate NY abortion as is in most of NY State is pro choice. Not a good topic, stick to the fiscal that is what the upstate people want to know. Will you vote against tax raises, Yes or No?

Jdripper on October 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Olympia Snowe needs to go back to her party like Arlen did.

elduende on October 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Now, moderates don’t have any values? See seppuku. You may commence cutting.

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

You missed the word SQUISH, after the word moderate. What does WIKI say about that, Card?

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Help us, Olympia Snowe, you’re our only hope!

History is calling…

tommylotto on October 31, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Snowe, Allahpundit?

Moderates to save the day for Conservatives?

So you mean back to Square 1. Moderates (aka liberals in R) to save the day for Republican Party.

Thanks but no thanks.

If we, TRUE conservatives, fail on this one … it’s all right. We will deal with the pain.

THAT PAIN WILL TURN INTO ANGER…

and the New Revolution of Conservatives will rise with a vengeance.

TheAlamos on October 31, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Huckabee’s eleventh hour endorsement is as worthless as the RNC rushing to embrace Hoffman. They weren’t there when it counted. It’s like all the losers who rush out and buy the team jacket for whatever team just won the Superbowl and then go around talking as if they were lifelong fans. Pathetic losers all.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Man, the establishment types just can’t help but wring their hands and prophesy doom for us all if we don’t support those with an R next to their names. I think Doug’s message should be all about conservatism, and to hell with the consequences. Either the district is conservative or it isn’t. I’m all about politicians being determined by the preferences of the people living in their district, not a lucky election of a minority viewpoint.

Living4Him5534 on October 31, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Now, moderates don’t have any values?

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Mostly the value of trimming the sails and knowing which bandwagon to board. If they held values in some sort of firm way, they wouldn’t be moderates.

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Shoot…if only the liberal Scoffazaza had stayed in the race there would be a chance to send the message that RINO’s are the way to win back control.

Help us Newt, you’re our only hope.

Bishop on October 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

You are too funny, Allahpundit :)

terryannonline on October 31, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Actually, it’s not funny. AP, in this one, is VERY IRRITATING.

Humpph.

TheAlamos on October 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I FORGOT, ALLAHPUNDIT.

Your scenario will never work for Hoffman.

HOFFMAN IS RUNNING FOR PRINCIPLES OVER PARTY.

If he embraces Snowe now, that will destroy his PRINCIPLE.

TheAlamos on October 31, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Who the hell is Nate Silver and why should anyone care what he says?
Hoffman wins on Tuesday! Period!!!

RMR on October 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I’d rather lose with Hoffman than win with Scozzafava.

Hawkins1701 on October 31, 2009 at 4:19 PM

The election is almost meaningless. It will not change the balance of power in the House. The winner will arrive in DC just in time to start getting ready for running for re-election. Even if Hoffman loses, the race in NY-23 sent a message to the McCain wing of the GOP. If you want to pander, jump parties or STFU but do not continue to attack social/Christian conservatives as outsiders. You are the ones on the outside of the norm.

BTW- “To no one’s surprise, her union endorsements are already peeling off to Owens” should be enough of a clue to prove that Scozzafava was not the right candidate for the party.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

TheAlamos on October 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

It’s Allah’s job to be the tempest in the teapot.

publiuspen on October 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Gulp, another moby posting.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Not really bad news….more expected.

Scuzzi’s voters are going to be unmotivated to go vote…unless they are for Hoffman, so he may actually pick up a net gain.

Kasper Hauser on October 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

You missed the word SQUISH, after the word moderate. What does WIKI say about that, Card?

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 4:43 PM

I didn’t miss the word “squish.” I ignored it.

FYI, a wiki is an actual type of Web document usually consisting of some WYSIWYG editor and the ability for end users to publish instantly and with ease. To refer to Wikipedia as “Wiki” may not be quite accurate.

Don’t believe me? Check this link. I kid, because I love.

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Mostly the value of trimming the sails and knowing which bandwagon to board. If they held values in some sort of firm way, they wouldn’t be moderates.

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Wow! You really cleared that up. Thanks Pro Activ!

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Wait a minute, I thought those “Republican” voters were working to ensure an (R) got elected, why would they suddenly “peal” off and go to the Democrat?
 
I mean Hoffman has already committed to causcus with the Republicans after all.
 
Hmmm, maybe because they weren’t really Republican in the first place. And here, right in front of his face, Allah has proof of why it doesn’t matter if an (R) is elected if they always vote in Congress with the (D)’s, but yet he tries to spin it into a bad thing.
 
The real good news is that if Democrats have to get elected as Democrats and then serve as Democrats passing their socialist agenda, it means the people will finally understand who is leading this country down the road of destruction and maybe they will stop blaming Republicans.
 
If getting an (R) is all you worry about, but then the Democrats get their agenda passed using the ruse of Republican backing of course Republicans will be in the abolsute minority forever. Stand for something as a Republican or expect the people to simply chose the Democrats since they at leas stake out their positions.

woodythesingingcowboy on October 31, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Actually, it’s not funny. AP, in this one, is VERY IRRITATING.

Humpph.

TheAlamos on October 31, 2009 at 4:47 PM

It was a joke. Lighten up guys.

terryannonline on October 31, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Now, moderates don’t have any values?

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Rush sums it up best when he says there is no pantheon to the great moderates throughout history. No guts/no glory. Haven’t you learned anything from the epic failure of McCain’s “go along to get along” ineptitude?

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 4:54 PM

If this were a football game, wouldn’t you rather your team win the championship because they played a good, honest game, rather than win because the other team played poorly?

Independent, Principled and Proud

pjean on October 31, 2009 at 4:54 PM

The only poll that counts in next Tuesday.

d1carter on October 31, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Another good thing about Scozzafava not being elected, even if Owens wins – she would have provided “bi-partisan” cover to the democrats on issues like card check and ObamaCare.

jaime on October 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM

So,Scozzafava is in full re-treat,bugging out,
and has quit!!

Interesting!!

canopfor on October 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM

The supporters of a hard core leftist don’t like the conservative.
Anyone who is surprised is…clueless.

single stack on October 31, 2009 at 5:06 PM

If this were a football game, wouldn’t you rather your team win the championship because they played a good, honest game, rather than win because the other team played poorly?

Independent, Principled and Proud

pjean on October 31, 2009 at 4:54 PM

If this were your livelihood, wouldn’t you rather win it from the crooks trying to steal it from you and your family, rather than play by queensberry rules and be enslaved by socialist law, lose your freedoms and your money? This isn’t a game,it’s your life.

Independent, Free and Happy

ray on October 31, 2009 at 5:08 PM

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I don’t need lessons from you, Card. If you cannot define and live with your values, that’s your problem, but don’t whine when people call you out on them!

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 5:08 PM

OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM

canopfor on October 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM

I wonder if she’ll get the same quitter tag that the left keeps trying to pin on Palin?

On a related note, I’m not a Palin fan but it is pretty certain that the media attention surounding her endorsement made a difference in this election. It put a national spotlight on a congressional race that was only being paid attention to by the truly wonkish (by comparison, the other special Congressional election is always an afterthought because the outcome is so certain).

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Haven’t you learned anything from the epic failure of McCain’s “go along to get along” ineptitude?

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Perhaps the failure is with the man instead of his philosophy. Regardless, I’m not looking for the Pantheon. Hell I don’t even want a monument. I want to win.

Firmness can easily turn brittle. Inflexibility often leads to immobility. Republicans are perilously close to political oblivion. Party survival will require participation from the entire party. To do that it will need the support of its full membership. Like it or not, moderates are still party members.

I think the Texas gov race will make the intra-squabbles between the sane and the silly more interesting. Dick Cheney is nobody’s moderate. But he’s backing KBH over nutbird secessionist Perry.

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 5:12 PM

At long, long last, Huckabee finally makes his move. Does he still count as a centrist?

What do you mean “still” ? If there ever was a Big Government Republican that would be the Huckster.When the heck was he a “centrist” ?

But it is possible that in this crazy country, the center has moved far to the left – (i mean, you guys elected an Alinskyite to be President and C-in- 9999Cfor God’s sakes !) that Huckabee is considered a centrist.. Good Grief.

nagee76 on October 31, 2009 at 5:12 PM

OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Heh. I love the hair-on-fire stuff, myself. It’s funny. : )

capitalist piglet on October 31, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Well, this is an opportunity for all those “moderate” Republicans who’ve been telling us how important it is to win to suck it up and elect the “most Republican” candidate in the race.

yeah, I know.

BD57 on October 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Maybe if some bigwigs like Steele and Gingrich went up to campaign for Hoffman… Oh… wait…

MeatHeadinCA on October 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Well, this is an opportunity for all those “moderate” Republicans who’ve been telling us how important it is to win to suck it up and elect the “most Republican” candidate in the race.

yeah, I know.

BD57 on October 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM

I expect Ahnold, Grahamesty, Maverick, Spawn of Maverick, and team to go and start campaigning any moment now…

MeatHeadinCA on October 31, 2009 at 5:23 PM

To do that it will need the support of its full membership. Like it or not, moderates are still party members.

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 5:12 PM

I do not like it but you really need to be directing your sermon at the so-called moderate Republicans. They have been intolerant of the social and Christian conservatives to the point that they have alienated the majority of the base. McCain openly loathes Christian conservatives as a part of the electorate and we all remember Lindsey Graham ranting that anybody who criticized McCain-Kennedy was an out and out racist who wanted to see illegals die. And don’t even get me started on the political treason of the Witches of Bar Harbor.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Firmness can easily turn brittle. Inflexibility often leads to immobility. Republicans are perilously close to political oblivion. Party survival will require participation from the entire party. To do that it will need the support of its full membership. Like it or not, moderates are still party members.

Umm.. Mr/Ms RaceCard, sit back and enjoy the show, will you? If you think this is a huge ground shattering event for the GOP, you probably dont know much about the recent history of the party.

Let me remind you – worse things were said about Barry Goldwater – every thing from “Nazi” to “extremewingnutjob” was thrown at him – and he still won the nomination beating out the “moderate” Rockefeller wing of the party. He did lose the election in 64 badly – BUT, for the first time there really was a difference between the Democrat party and the GOP – they were no longer “Democrat lite”.

I hate to break this to you – but if you think you dont like what is happening here, no one is forcing you to support the conservative – you can vote for Dede and show how powerful, you “moderates” are.

I am using the term “moderates” in double quotes because quite frankly I have not yet figured out what extreme GOP positions,EXACTLY you moderate Republicans are “moderating”.

And yeah, we had one of your moderates run in 2008 – what happened to him?

Dont worry Mitt Romney will come and save the day with his “moderation” !

nagee76 on October 31, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Hoffman has a better chance at getting Paulnuts to campaign for him than the Progressive Republicans…

“Just sayin’”

MeatHeadinCA on October 31, 2009 at 5:29 PM

What do you mean “still” ? If there ever was a Big Government Republican that would be the Huckster.When the heck was he a “centrist” ?

nagee76 on October 31, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Huckabee calls himself an evangelical and that throws Allah off because he doesn’t understand the many nuances of that word. To him all evangelcals are fringe nutjobs but he has a soft spot in his heart for Huckabee because he was the foil to Romney during the 2008 campaign. He supported McCain by constantly getting evangelcals to attack Mormons and Romney supporters to point out the hypocrisy of Huckabee’s type of evangelism.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 5:32 PM

I mentioned this in the other thread, there needs to be a cooling down period. People tend to get attached to a Candidate sometimes and temporarily resist coming home. Hopefully 4 days is long enough for them to get some freakin’ common sense in their skulls.

Daemonocracy on October 31, 2009 at 5:34 PM

nutbird secessionist Perry.

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Perry told reporters following his speech that Texans might get so frustrated with the government they would want to secede from the union.

There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that.

Who know for sure, what might happen if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people? Why, our resident whiner knows for sure. Writing our future history textbooks today. Uh, Whiner, tell us – how does the Tuesday election turn out, and does ObamaCare pass close to its present House form? That’s not too far out in the future for you, is it, Nutbird?

jaime on October 31, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Scozzafava supporters will get over it. They will vote for Hoffman in the end. Just give them time. What’s the alternative? Anyone who votes for a dem this day and age votes for Obamma and his crap policies.

bloggless on October 31, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Any of Dee’s folk who defect to Owens were not republicans to begin with.

JIMV on October 31, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Nate Silver…haha. FiveThirtyEight.com may as well be LetMeTorturNumbersUntilTheyTellMeWhatIWantToSee.com

SouthernGent on October 31, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Anyone know how Cap da Knees would affect the snowmobile industry?

MeatHeadinCA on October 31, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Any of Dee’s folk who defect to Owens were not republicans to begin with.

JIMV on October 31, 2009 at 5:39 PM

No, they may have been. That’s the problem with today’s GOP (can they even call themselves the GOP anymore?).

MeatHeadinCA on October 31, 2009 at 5:41 PM

From Politico

Jeff2161 on October 31, 2009 at 5:45 PM

I fail to see how Scuzzyobama Lite withdrawing can be a negative to the Conservative movement. Turning this election into a litmus test on their principles and influence could be damaging, however. The Tea Party efforts are making waves in a few short months. Go, tsunami, go!

GnuBreed on October 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Siena is a Univ poll that seems to always lean left.

Funny that.

PPP says Hoffman wins EASILY.

Yes, DEMOCRATIC polling firm PPP, which had an excellent state track record in 08 for polling.

artist on October 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM

PPP Tweet:

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artist on October 31, 2009 at 5:49 PM

More:

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artist on October 31, 2009 at 5:49 PM

FYI, a wiki is an actual type of Web document usually consisting of some WYSIWYG editor and the ability for end users to publish instantly and with ease. To refer to Wikipedia as “Wiki” may not be quite accurate.

Don’t believe me? Check this link. I kid, because I love.

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Is pissy nitpicking a “moderate value”?

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Evidently this shows what all the conservatives and mainstream republicans stated about Scozzafava, that she was a democrap and that most of her supporters were liberal/ socialist democraps.

eaglewingz08 on October 31, 2009 at 5:51 PM

As The Hill reported a month ago, NRCC spokesman Paul Lindsay said that Scozzafava was the right candidate, who was picked by the local party leaders and had an appeal to the district’s voters.

As for Lindsay’s view of Hoffman, who had also interviewed with party leaders for the nomination: “Fortunately, the local Republican county chairs had the foresight to see that Doug Hoffman lacked the integrity and qualities needed to be elected to anything — let alone Congress.”

I’m sure they feel differently today.

Jeff2161 on October 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM

There are 100 radical marxists in the white house because “people liked a guy”. People are stupid. I decided.

marklmail on October 31, 2009 at 5:55 PM

canopfor on October 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM
I wonder if she’ll get the same quitter tag that the left keeps trying to pin on Palin?

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 5:10 PM

highhopes: On the quitter aspect,I doubt the Leftys will
attempt that on Scozzafava!

And,remember,two Liberals quit being Governors to
join the Obama Administration,so the left have a
warped view on who quits!!

I’ve spent the last freaggin hour,tring to re-fin
d,the Palin Quitter Cartoon!Ugh!

canopfor on October 31, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Trick or Treat!!

http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=4272

canopfor on October 31, 2009 at 6:04 PM

but more than anything he needs endorsements from big-name centrist Republicans

Oh give me a break!

conservnut on October 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Moderates are like little tykes on Christmas morning. They’ll pick the shiniest toy first. They can say all they want about their principles, but if they’d slide back and forth between baby killers, and not baby killers, they have no real principles at all.

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Come on, Newt, join the big tent.

mobydutch on October 31, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Sometimes Allah you are like a five year old boy who is afraid of spiders.

So we have to build up your confidence without crushing your spirit.

Mr. Joe on October 31, 2009 at 6:18 PM

William Amos on October 31, 2009 at 6:14 PM

One Republican congressman, who asked not to be named discussing party dynamics, said without Hoffman’s rise, conservatives may have turned their fire on their own party’s incumbents. The conservative movement, the congressman said, is “trumping” the rest of the party.

YUP!

katy on October 31, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Come on, Newt, join the big tent.

mobydutch on October 31, 2009 at 6:15 PM

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Yeah… there’s a seat over there near the back.
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RalphyBoy on October 31, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Whatever the voters in NY23 decide at least they have a choice between a Conservative and a Demoncrat. Well, some will vote for the zombie DIABLO.

farright on October 31, 2009 at 6:28 PM

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