Breaking: Scozzafava quits after Siena poll; Update: Hoffman campaign asking for endorsement?

posted at 10:37 am on October 31, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Stacy McCain reports today that Dede Scozzafava has quit the special election in New York after an independent pollster found her badly trailing both Douglas Hoffman and Democrat Bob Owens.  Reportedly, she tearfully withdrew and threw her support to Hoffman:

Just confirmed that Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava has quit the race. Speaking to supporters, Scozzafava broke down in tears.

UPDATE: Scozzafava, the hand-picked choice of the New York state GOP in the key 23rd District special election, reportedly will throw her support to Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman.

This has been confirmed by the local Watertown Daily Times, but report that she has not made an endorsement:

Dede Scozzafava, the Republican and Independence parties candidate in the 23rd Congressional District, is suspending her campaign and releasing her supporters.

The state Assemblywoman has not backed either of her two opponents in the race, Doug Hoffman or Bill Owens.

What prompted the withdrawal?  The new Siena poll this morning shows Scozzafava trailing both candidates badly:

The race for the 23rd Congressional District is too close to call between Democrat Bill Owens (36 percent) and Conservative Doug Hoffman (35 percent) heading into the final days of the campaign. Republican Assembly member Dede Scozzafava has dropped to 20 percent, with nine percent of voters still undecided, according to a new Siena (College) Research Institute poll of likely voters.

Owens has increased his lead among Democrats, while Hoffman has taken the lead with Republicans and maintained his lead with independent voters. Hoffman has widened his lead in the southern portion of the district, as Owens’ lead in the eastern part of the district has narrowed and Scozzafava’s strong lead in the western portion of the district has virtually disappeared, although she maintains a narrow lead. By a 51-29 percent margin, likely voters have an unfavorable view of Scozzafava, while both Hoffman (41-37 percent) and Owens (40-36 percent) receive slightly favorable ratings from voters.

“Unfortunately for Assemblywoman Scozzafava, this has become a two person race between Owens and Hoffman,” said Siena pollster Steven Greenberg. “She now has the support of only one in five voters, having gone from 35 percent support to 20 percent support since the beginning of the month.["]

This confirms the basic thrust of the three earlier polls, and especially the Daily Kos poll, which got the ranking of the candidates and the distribution of the vote almost exactly correct.  Scozzafava has seen her negatives explode, while her two opponents have only become more accepted as they became more well known.  She has no chance of winning this race, and her withdrawal leaves Hoffman with the Republican vote whether she endorses him or not.

Will the NRCC shift gears and start buying ads supporting Hoffman in the final three days of this race?

Update: I had neglected to review the poll in much detail, but I suspect that Scozzafava’s withdrawal (or suspension, more accurately, since her name will stay on the ballot) hurts Bob Owens tremendously.  According to the poll, Hoffman had attracted 50% of the Republican vote, while Owens had 2/3rds of the Democrats.  Hoffman leads Owens among independents, 40%-35%, and the remaining 15% supporting Scozzafava will almost certainly break more towards Hoffman than Owens.  Owens will likely get more of Scozzafava’s Democratic supporters, but she only had 11%, while 14% have already gone to Hoffman.  Hoffman and Owens had a near-even split of the opposition in Scozzafava’s regional stronghold of Jefferson/Lewis/St. Lawrence counties, but I’d be surprised if Hoffman didn’t pick up more in those areas of disaffected Scozzafava voters, too.

Hoffman now has the default Republican endorsement with Scozzafava’s retreat, as well as all of the late momentum.

Update II: Dave Weigel reports via Twitter that “Hoffman activists are heading to Scozzafava’s HQ to convince her to make an endorsement.”

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Like hell you don’t. If Hoffman loses, you’ll be trumpeting how those knuckle-draggers are Nowheresville.

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 2:33 PM

What’s the House right now – 250-185 for the Democrats or so? Yeah if it turns out to be 249-186, maybe you’ll think that means something but it’s not going to make any difference in terms of legislative agenda, and November of 2010 is still a long way away.

So no. I don’t care. Perspective, people.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Even if it’s a bit late, I’m glad the national Republican Party is on board with Hoffman. He’s going to need them — and their lawyers — cuz NY23 just became the dems’ number one vote stealing operation of the 2010 campaign season, maybe even surpassing the vote stealing operation Corzine has planned in New Jersey. There will be first-time “democrats” casting votes in that district the likes of which we’ve never seen.

Rational Thought on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

“Sarah does NOT hunt from a helicopter”

yes she does/has

awwww gary4205, does that offend you wuse?

she hunts. i like it. screw you

sidewinder22 on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

So no. I don’t care. Perspective, people.
Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Yeah, right. That’s why you’re here. Lying and pompous is no way to go through life, son.

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

You’re young, naive, and lack insight. The impact will be a large portion of dems. from conservative districts will step back from the party line and consider their next election. Voting patterns will change on the left.

katy on October 31, 2009 at 2:48 PM

The impact will be a large portion of dems. from conservative districts will step back from the party line and consider their next election. Voting patterns will change on the left.

katy on October 31, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Oh really. Democrats in a conservative district are going to be like – Hmmm…I like my Democratic representative, but since NY-23 elected that Hoffman guy, now I like the Republican!

Yes, you’re right, Katy. That’s definitely going to happen.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Stop it moron, Sarah does NOT hunt from a helicopter. It doesn’t help when people keep repeating that stupidity.

gary4205 on October 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Well, even if she did, at least she’d be landing when finished, and not being returning to the Mother Ship like this moron.
__________

On my ranch, we sometimes have to hunt/kill feral hogs by helicopter from time, else they overun and kill the good game, like deer and turkey. That’s not unusual and, in fact, encouraged by the professional wildlife people.

TXUS on October 31, 2009 at 2:53 PM

So no. I don’t care.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Keep saying that. It gets more and more convincing every time.

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I think Republicans are going to pick up seats in 2010 btw – how could they sink any lower? – and it might be another massive 1994-style blowout (although that’s unlikely). But I don’t think that’s going to have anything to do with Hoffman winning NY-23.

Nov. 2010 is a long way away.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Oh really. Democrats in a conservative district are going to be like – Hmmm…I like my Democratic representative, but since NY-23 elected that Hoffman guy, now I like the Republican!

Yes, you’re right, Katy. That’s definitely going to happen.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:52 PM

No, Democrats in a conservative district are going to be saying, “Holy crap! I may get thrown out on my ass next November!” That most definitely WILL happen.

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 2:54 PM

On my ranch, we sometimes have to hunt/kill feral hogs by helicopter from time, else they overun and kill the good game, like deer and turkey. That’s not unusual and, in fact, encouraged by the professional wildlife people.

TXUS on October 31, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Everything about this is awesome.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:55 PM

No, Democrats in a conservative district are going to be saying, “Holy crap! I may get thrown out on my ass next November!” That most definitely WILL happen.

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I agree. But I don’t think NY-23 will have had anything to do with it.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:56 PM

I agree. But I don’t think NY-23 will have had anything to do with it.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:56 PM

NY-23 is a harbinger. I thought “moderate” was the way to go?

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Like I said, your post just reinforced my original point.

You’re young, naive, and lack insight

katy on October 31, 2009 at 2:57 PM

proud rino

as a mod Dem I have to tell you it is actually significant to the Blue Dogs who are wavering HARD

ginaswo on October 31, 2009 at 2:57 PM

proud rino

as a mod Dem I have to tell you it is actually significant to the Blue Dogs who are wavering HARD

ginaswo on October 31, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Shhhh, you might wake him up.

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 2:59 PM

and yes proud rino many Dems DO in fact switch to the GOP conservative, both b/c of things like ‘perception of who is winning’, which is in fact why we publich polling to trya dn swing voters who like to feel like ‘winners’ in fact newcasts were stopped from early early win forecasts b/c it DID affect votes

AND many many mod Dems are very very unhappy and have been since HRC was pushed out and more and more are leaving the current cabal of idiots, EVERY district counts, EVERY VOTE counts

ginaswo on October 31, 2009 at 2:59 PM

So no. I don’t care. Perspective, people.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I’ll give you some f*cking perspective:
PROUD RINO VOTED FOR OBAMA!
Having obama anal poisoning is a bad way to go thru life, koolaid boy.

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 3:00 PM

NY-23 is a harbinger.

A conservative getting elected in a conservative district is a harbinger? Of what?

as a mod Dem I have to tell you it is actually significant to the Blue Dogs who are wavering HARD

ginaswo on October 31, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Even if you say it is, it’s not. In a year, when they election comes up in your district, you’re going to vote for the candidate you prefer. What happened a year ago in an unrelated district isn’t going to mean much to you.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 3:02 PM

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Hey, Gorgeous. New weekly blog down the block. Check it out when you get the chance. It’s definitely a bad day for our Trolls, Mobys, and Squishies.

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Having obama anal poisoning is a bad way to go thru life, koolaid boy.

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 3:00 PM

I have no idea what you’re talking about, but that sounds gross. I don’t have that. I just thought he’d be a better president than John McCain. I stand by that.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM

I’d enjoy hinting Hippies by helicopter. Perhaps in San Fransisco. The herd needs some thinning.

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:04 PM

I’d enjoy hinting Hippies by helicopter. Perhaps in San Fransisco. The herd needs some thinning.

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Yeah Jeff! Wouldn’t be great to MURDER PEOPLE?!

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 3:06 PM

hunting

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:08 PM

well, i hope scozzafazza (sp) retirement makes anybody in Washington buy a clue.

I am really concerned about Congress. They did not hear the teaparty cry “no more bailouts” (we might get another GMAC or UPS bailout & I hear there is going to be a cash for clunker appliance bailout); they heard zero, zip at the townhalls about socialized medicine; and in Virginia, poor Dem gubernatorial candidate Creigh Deeds is running ads showing him with Obama.

so I just don’t see anyone in Congress saying “hmmmmm, you know, maybe Americans don’t want to be commies”.

kelley in virginia on October 31, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Yeah Jeff! Wouldn’t be great to MURDER PEOPLE?!

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Yeah Rino, wouldn’t it be great to have enough of a brain to know when someone is kidding. Besides, they’re not people, they’re hippies.

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Having obama anal poisoning is a bad way to go thru life, koolaid boy.

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 3:00 PM
I have no idea what you’re talking about, but that sounds gross. I don’t have that. I just thought he’d be a better president than John McCain. I stand by that.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Those that have this debilitating disease that blocks the brain from common sense thought are unaware of their ailment. They go thru life hoping for change and continuing to stand by their decisions, no matter how asinine they may be.
The only cure for obama anal poisoning is continued bombardment of common sense known as conservative values.
I hope that it is not too late for change, PR.
You have obama anal poisoning and you are in the late stages of this disease.

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

A conservative getting elected in a conservative district is a harbinger? Of what?

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Oh, nothing, don’t you worry about a thing.

Yeah Jeff! Wouldn’t be great to MURDER PEOPLE?!

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Whatever you do, don’t stop being humorless and literal-minded.

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 3:11 PM

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Hey, Gorgeous. New weekly blog down the block. Check it out when you get the chance. It’s definitely a bad day for our Trolls, Mobys, and Squishies.

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Will check that out, Sugar!

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Good riddens, RINO. Don\’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Livefreeordie on October 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM

NY-23 is a harbinger.

A conservative getting elected in a conservative district is a harbinger? Of what?

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 3:02 PM

A harbinger of Blue Dog slaughter.

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 3:19 PM

I think Republicans are going to pick up seats in 2010 btw – how could they sink any lower? –

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:54 PM

How could they sink lower you ask? Keep nominating RINOs.

uknowmorethanme on October 31, 2009 at 3:32 PM

The coming VA. bloodbath for Dems is going to scare the lights out of Webb.

He’s up in 12.

artist on October 31, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Ed & Michelle listed on the Winners list along with Palin.

http://townhall.com/blog/g/1023ea85-4161-49b4-9b00-8a7857539e54

njpat on October 31, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Don’t bite on the troll bait people. They are just trying desperately to sour the mood and change the subject any way they can. Thats their tactic.

The best bet is to ignore the bait.

The dems know they’re gonna lose in NY and that its a big deal, or they wouldn’t send Biden, reinforcements from Vermont AND put out the talking points that the election doesn’t matter.

One point eight million in DC on 9/12 didn’t matter either.

Well I guess they’re finding out just how much it does matter. Lets do everything we can to help conservatives win these elections.

dogsoldier on October 31, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Don’t bite on the troll bait people. They are just trying desperately to sour the mood and change the subject any way they can.

dogsoldier on October 31, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Which is why it’s so much fun to ruin their day. Enjoy it!

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 3:52 PM

He’s up in 12.

artist on October 31, 2009 at 3:36 PM

We need a strong push in NJ now. Glad to see my $$$ are working in NY23. Up yours RNC with your RINO’s

Wade on October 31, 2009 at 3:53 PM

DKossacks are in a snit today because their favorite liberal has suspended her race and that happened because the Sarahcuda destroyed the DIABLO candidate put forward by the euniched Republican party bosses of New York. Well done Hoffman, kudos to Sarah and Glenn Beck who were early supporters of Hoffman. Coal in the stocking for Newt and the NRCC for choosing to give 900,000 of our hard earned money to Pelosi of the Adirondacks.

eaglewingz08 on October 31, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Palin Power!

Kingmaker at the very least. King? Perhaps.

Mr Purple on October 31, 2009 at 4:02 PM

njpat on October 31, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Wow. Losers list is quite impressive too!

katy on October 31, 2009 at 4:06 PM

It’s RINO season. There is nothing patriotic about being a traitor, McCain. You and your near retarded daughter are free to join your mentor chairman Mao on the left. They broke him.

Jerricho68 on October 31, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

My favorite HotAir hippie hunting thread starts here:

TexasDan on October 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

My favorite HotAir hippie hunting thread starts here:

TexasDan on October 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM

ROFL…Excellent!

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Here’s Newt at NRO:

The emergence of Doug Hoffman as the only alternative to a pro-tax increase, pro-Pelosi liberal is a victory for Mike Long and the Conservative party, in alliance with the national conservative movement and talk radio.

Is it just me, or does he seem to be tip-toeing around the Republican label altogether. I realize Hoffman ran as a Conservative, but it really looks like Newt wants to make it clear that he’s not a Republican—but of course he’s still better than the Dem.

Smells to me like Newt’s a little tiffed. Tough.

IrishEi on October 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

When you get a chance, one of my favorite hippie episodes.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103815/

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Republican Assembly member Dede Scozzafava has dropped to 20 percent, with nine percent of voters still undecided, according to a new Siena (College) Research Institute poll of likely voters.

While her very nomination was a “what the &^%$ were they thinking” moment, I gotta say it shows some class for Scozzafava to bow to the reality of the situation and suspend her campaign. There was a groundswell of outrage that a pro-union/pro-murder/pro-gay marriage advocate of higher taxes got the nomination and the national spotlight made the difference. I honestly think that it was as much anger that they were trying to pull the same stunt that they did with McCain by ignoring principles and selecting a very liberal nominee in the name of pandering to Democrats.

Conversely, Michael Steele and the NY GOP deserve to be fired for every foisting this woman on the party in the first place.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Smells to me like Newt’s a little tiffed. Tough.

IrishEi on October 31, 2009 at 4:25 PM

What is Newt supposed to say just a week after lecturing us all on how damned stupid we were to be rooting for the conservative candidate and not necessarily the Republican? He was out there preaching “electability” and suggested that Hoffman would split the vote and ensure that Owens got elected.

What a difference a week makes. I truly think this election became more important than it actually is because, for a lot of reasons, it is a battle for the heart of the GOP. Newt and the McCain wing of the party was still stuck on “electability and pandering” and a groundswell of conservatives said enough was enough.

Good going guys, it proves that the people’s voice is not yet silenced despite the efforts of the GOP leadership and the dictatorship being formed in DC by the filthy lying coward in the White House.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Seems a historic time to watch politics; a new birth of Conservative party candidates over Republican party candidates… the big winner here, in addition to Hoffman should he win, is….Palin, for her early endorsement!!!

IntheNet on October 31, 2009 at 4:45 PM

What a difference a week makes. I truly think this election became more important than it actually is because, for a lot of reasons, it is a battle for the heart of the GOP. Newt and the McCain wing of the party was still stuck on “electability and pandering” and a groundswell of conservatives said enough was enough.
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Amen on that highhopes,its about time that Conservatives are
heard,and the GOP gets the message on who Republicans are
going to vote for!!:)

canopfor on October 31, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Does this yellow-toothed ‘conservative’ even live in NY State? Didn’t think so.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Does this yellow-toothed ‘conservative’ even live in NY State? Didn’t think so.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Where does he live, rageball?

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Does this yellow-toothed ‘conservative’ even live in NY State? Didn’t think so.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

simplesimon:Your confused,the yellow-tooth,is from the South
side of Chicago,from Obama’s vast sprawling neig
hbourhood,so its all good!!

canopfor on October 31, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Amen on that highhopes,its about time that Conservatives are
heard,and the GOP gets the message on who Republicans are
going to vote for!!:)

canopfor on October 31, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Here’s hoping for Tuesday being a very good day for conservatives. Here in Virginia, Deeds appearances seem without any real joy (last poll had McDonnell up by 17). He snarled that given the right circumstances he could still win.

Near as I can tell, those circumstances would have to include thousands of Virginians getting confused about Daylight Savings time and think that they gain an extra day tonight.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Kudos to Scozzafava!

profitsbeard on October 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Here’s hoping for Tuesday being a very good day for conservatives.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 5:18 PM

highhopes: Agreed,a tide turning,so to speak,and boy its
gonna really screw-up lefty pundits on that
night as well!!

And,yes,the extra hour of daylight,hehe!!:)

canopfor on October 31, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Update II: Dave Weigel reports via Twitter that “Hoffman activists are heading to Scozzafava’s HQ to convince her to make an endorsement.”

If she doesn’t, or worse yet endorses her Dem comrade, what will that say about all the Republicans who stood by her?

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM

If she doesn’t, or worse yet endorses her Dem comrade, what will that say about all the Republicans who stood by her?

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM

There’s not a whole bunch more to say about them…

MeatHeadinCA on October 31, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Does this yellow-toothed ‘conservative’ even live in NY State? Didn’t think so.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Where does he live, rageball?

Jim Treacher on October 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Despite all its rage it is still just a rat in a cage…

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM

WTF!!!!! I just found this on Hoffman’s site!
How can you be Pro Amnesty and a Conservative?

Where do you stand on illegal immigration?
There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here – while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes.

http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/issues.html#immigration

Bulldogger on October 31, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Ed & Michelle listed on the Winners list along with Palin.

http://townhall.com/blog/g/1023ea85-4161-49b4-9b00-8a7857539e54

njpat on October 31, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Poor Allahpundit!

SouthernGent on October 31, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Bulldogger on October 31, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Relax. I heard him on Beck and he is not for amnesty. He’s for legal immigration. Waiting in line like everyone else and he is for documented temporary workers who come and go when the work is done.

katy on October 31, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Relax. I heard him on Beck and he is not for amnesty. He’s for legal immigration. Waiting in line like everyone else and he is for documented temporary workers who come and go when the work is done.

katy on October 31, 2009 at 5:55 PM

He said absolutly NO to amnesty? Well ok then I’ll jump back onboard the wagon.

Bulldogger on October 31, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Does this yellow-toothed ‘conservative’ even live in NY State? Didn’t think so.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

You really hate everybody, don’t you? :P

NathanG on October 31, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Does this yellow-toothed ‘conservative’ even live in NY State? Didn’t think so.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Not only does he live there, all of his businesses and employees are in 23.

Speaking of, doesn’t lib-D Markey live in VA though his district is in FL?

And, rageball, where do you live, on the Mother Ship? Or with your mommy and daddy, assuming you knew him.

TXUS on October 31, 2009 at 6:26 PM

It’s a good day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

ray on October 31, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Perspective, right! From my perspective, your arguments and comments here peg you as a far left troll and an absolute joke if you think we really believe that you’re a Republican. I can’t think of one comment you’ve ever written critical of donks or one positive about you “own” party.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 7:29 PM

“your”

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Or with your mommy and daddy, assuming you knew him.

TXUS on October 31, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Hey hey, stay classy!

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Mr. Treacher,

When I said I did not think Ms. Scozzafava did anything wrong, I meant in the area of character, not political skill or strategy. One can excel in the second, and be somewhat lacking in the first. For proof of concept, please refer to the curious case of Clinton, William, 42nd President, United States of.

Now, this does leave out the question of the police being called on the Weekly Standard reporter, which I had forgot about, but I still basically feel that Ms. Scozzafava did not go to any absurd standards in trying to make herself the people’s choice in that district. She played by the rules of the game, got selected by the rules of the game, and while I do not have any problem with those rules being changed on her halfway through (as I actually have a strong Thoreauvian streak that does not quite match my equally strong rule of law streak), neither do I need to denigrate her. She simply did not appear to be the right choice there, but might have been the right choice for the people elsewhere. At any rate she is not going to win.

And if she made political mistakes along the way, well, then, perhaps so may have I, or you, or anyone else here–and we may not perhaps have got as far as she did, so a certain circumspection is in order. She is defeated. That should be more than enough. And so I stand by my post.

Horatius on October 31, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Does this yellow-toothed ‘conservative’ even live in NY State? Didn’t think so.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

His yellowed teeth would definitely separate him from the liberals, who are toothless, both literally and figuratively speaking.

bayview on October 31, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Hey hey, stay classy!

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Ummmm….judging from what simplesimon has said in the past, he/she/it deserves it. Just sayin.’ :)

NathanG on October 31, 2009 at 8:42 PM

Even if you say it is, it’s not. In a year, when they election comes up in your district, you’re going to vote for the candidate you prefer

What if the candidate you prefer voted for legislation that sucks and you know it sucks. That’s why having GOP that wont vote for crap and give dems political cover is important. The GOP has to delineate how they differ from democrats in not just campaigning but in voting.

That’s why this race is important. Its going to make leaners like Snowe and Collins look twice at having real primary challenges if they dont act a little more conservative on key votes. This is a win win for conservatives, not so much for the GOP. Maybe that’s why a RINO cant wrap his head around it, the “must run a moderate to win” argument just imploded like Obama without a teleprompter.

Opportunity Costs on October 31, 2009 at 8:45 PM

My fellow Palinistas,

Yippie-kay-ay Mo Fos.

Let’s Roll.

Geochelone on October 31, 2009 at 8:58 PM

My fellow Palinistas,

Yippie-kay-ay Mo Fos.

Let’s Roll.

Geochelone on October 31, 2009 at 8:58 PM

I’m with you. Can I bring my drink?

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 9:11 PM

She quit because it will help the Dem, right?

LibTired on October 31, 2009 at 9:19 PM

What’s the House right now – 250-185 for the Democrats or so? Yeah if it turns out to be 249-186, maybe you’ll think that means something but it’s not going to make any difference in terms of legislative agenda, and November of 2010 is still a long way away.

So no. I don’t care. Perspective, people.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Big things swing on small hinges.

This is huge.

If Hoffman wins, it’s concrete proof that the GOP hasn’t been listening to it’s own voter base. It’s proof that while the GOP may be weak, it isn’t divided because the people are wrong but because the party is wrong.

It will shift what kind of candidates the GOP fields and endorses. It will change the Modus Operandi for the Republican Party for 2010. You will see a very different field of candidates endorsed and supported by the NRCC and the NRSC because of this race.

But your lack of foresight is common. Most people dismiss this small things in life.

Chaz706 on October 31, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Oh, and I forgot to mention…

November of 2010 is still a long way away.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

No it isn’t! It’s exactly 365 days away now!

You’d be surprised how fast a year can go by!

The time to work is now! The time to start warning our fellow americans is now! The time to find and back fellow conservatives is now! The time to hit the pavement for those candidates is now!

Now is the time! We need to get out there and work.

Chaz706 on October 31, 2009 at 9:26 PM

No it isn’t! It’s exactly 365 days away now!

Chaz706 on October 31, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Yeah, go look at who were the presumptive frontrunners in 2003 and 2007 in the Presidential elections.

A year is a loooooooong time.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Yeah, go look at who were the presumptive frontrunners in 2003 and 2007 in the Presidential elections.

A year is a loooooooong time.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Shut Up, koolaid boy. You have no business telling us anything, obama lover.

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 10:01 PM

It will shift what kind of candidates the GOP fields and endorses. It will change the Modus Operandi for the Republican Party for 2010. You will see a very different field of candidates endorsed and supported by the NRCC and the NRSC because of this race.

Chaz706 on October 31, 2009 at 9:23 PM

The wheels turned slowly, but they are turning!

TN Mom on October 31, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I haven’t been reading this whole thread; does anybody have any new numbers in NJ??

This is looking more and more like a 3 peat.

B Man on October 31, 2009 at 10:40 PM

The VA election is going to be interesting along with the NY congressional race. I watched the European elections, earlier this yr., & it the 3rd party candidates did quite well for the first time. Wouldn’t it be great that 3rd party candidates caught on in America & won elections?

If you want a great political thriller, that’s germane to the disdain for federal tyranny, then I recommend that new book, just out, about a small town in America that stands up to federal tyranny/corrupt politicians/old political parties & end up being the spark that ignites the 2nd American Revolution. It’s a great read!!
http://www.booksbyoliver.com

ctcb05 on October 31, 2009 at 11:12 PM

People have to understand that some democrats are automatons as exhibited by the following events which occurred in North Carolina recently:

In Kinston, NC voters in 2008 overwhelmingly (by something like 80%) passed a referendum to make all municipal elections nonpartisan. In steps the Obama DOJ about a month ago and rules that “you can’t do that” and mandates that party affiliations remain on the ballot…specifically because “black voters need to see the party affiliations, so that they will know who to vote for, that is, the Democrats.”

So the mentally challenged black folks in Kinston, North Carolina need to see the party affiliation so they can vote their convictions? ROFL How degrading!

Pitchforker on October 31, 2009 at 11:50 PM

This is AWESOME!!! Freaking best news in a long time, and I’m not just talking this race. This has HUGE implications for future elections.

Sixth Guard on October 31, 2009 at 11:56 PM

“black voters need to see the party affiliations, so that they will know who to vote for, that is, the Democrats.”

I wish more black people could see that type of f’ed up bs angle that the democrats have for them.
That’s really the D’s angle too, “we can ignore them, (women and black people) insult them, be bigoted, and mysogynistic but it doesn’t matter! they will vote for us no matter what! we’re democrats!”
That’s SO wrong.

B Man on November 1, 2009 at 12:07 AM

what the hell was Newt thinking? I still don’t get his thought process. He preaches the conservative message yet supported scozza who’s as lib as they come.

jaboba on November 1, 2009 at 12:12 AM

I wish more black people could see that type of f’ed up bs angle that the democrats have for them.
That’s really the D’s angle too, “we can ignore them, (women and black people) insult them, be bigoted, and mysogynistic but it doesn’t matter! they will vote for us no matter what! we’re democrats!”
That’s SO wrong.
B Man

But the democrats have the black community’s best interests in mind! They plan to ram through a national amnesty plan that will likely undercut the employment opportunities of many African-Americans. They want to make sure that there is a Planned Parenthood clinic in every urban community. They plan to recklessly expand the federal budget to such a level that hyperinflation will ravage the most vulnerable of society. With friends like these, who needs enemies?!?

Pitchforker on November 1, 2009 at 12:21 AM

I’m with you. Can I bring my drink?

HornetSting on October 31, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Absolut ly. I got the Guinness. You bring the Irish car bomb stuff and whatever suits yer fancy. Might have to invite Jose Cuervo too (without the Donk).

Geochelone on November 1, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Geraldo the brown supremacist racist loon just called Scuzzy a moderate republican.

Jerricho68 on November 1, 2009 at 1:51 AM

What’s the House right now – 250-185 for the Democrats or so? Yeah if it turns out to be 249-186, maybe you’ll think that means something but it’s not going to make any difference in terms of legislative agenda, and November of 2010 is still a long way away.

So no. I don’t care. Perspective, people.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM


That’s why you’re an endangered species!!

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

JaqobJackson on November 1, 2009 at 3:28 AM

A principle that conservatives must address satisfactorily to be successful in the 2010 midterms and to take back the country:

THE BIG TENT

When a self-help group advertises its ability to help folks cure their addictions, alcohol, drugs, gambling, sex, weight etc it is first done with the understanding that its expertise is confined to a certain addiction and by extrapolation cannot be expected to cure a malady that one does not have expertise in, second that it will charge a fee for its service, third that participants agree voluntarily to participate in certain improvements or cures recommended by the representatives of the group and fourth that it will welcome and embrace all participants who harbor such an addiction.

Political parties, in this case the Republican Party (GOP) are no exception. Since its founding the GOP has traditionally been a party whose underpinnings included a fidelity to individual liberty, private enterprise, low taxes, smaller government, and a strong national defense. If you entered the Republican “tent” this is the minimum that the greater majority of its members past and present should expect.

Now here are the two problems as I see it: first Republicans no longer wanting to seek new members or keep old members under this umbrella and secondly some members, commonly called RINO’s want to infliltrate the party and become members to refocus the party and change its mission statement away from its traditional hallmarks and become more like the opposition (Democratic Lite) in viewpoint and it’s rhetoric more milquetoast and PC.

Quite simply “the big tent” argument is a bogus argument. Whether you are a revival meeting, self-help group, or political party, your goal is NOT to convince individuals or potential participants to avoid your organization but in terms of “truth in advertising” make it abundantly clear that if you join us there will be certain expectations and one of the major expectations is that we continue to subscribe to the mission statement that has always served us well. As members you have every right to expect that from the high muck-a-mucks; from each individual is expected a membership fee and an adherence to these long-standing principles; members then should be committed to relying on the good judgment of the leaders of the party to conduct its affairs to adhere to these principles and to further the mission statement of the party which is to first win elections, second to find potential candidates who will wholeheartedly support the principles of the party and not forget them once they are elected and third promote these principles in the public arena on behalf of its members and fourth to keep the party vibrant and dynamic through fostering new membership.

In all these four objectives the GOP hierarchy including the members of the House and the Senate and the Presidency of both Bush’s has been found to be woefully inadequate in the last 20 years in representing the party’s core beliefs, and its viewpoint in the public arena on behalf of its members who after all are the reason the party exists in the first place.

Let me get this out of the way. The GOP does NOT exist in order to pays the RNC members a good salary, the GOP does not exist to curry favor with the media, the GOP does not exist to give prestige to members of Congress while they do the cocktail circuit and the GOP hierarchy does not exist to ignore the traditional philosophy and principles of the GOP so it can practice sophisticated elitism that does not act on behalf of or represent the thoughts and ideas of the greater majority of its members.

Why is Sarah Palin so popular with the base of the GOP?

1)She is not in politics for personal gain; instead she wants to reshape the GOP so that its well-paid hierarchy understand they are primarily in office or appointed to positions to serve its members and to fulfill the mission statement of the GOP and not to feather their own nests or establish fiefdoms.

2)Sarah believes the principles and ideas of the GOP take precedent over how they are interpreted by the MSM and should never be compromised by the RNC hierarchy, Washington politicians or pundits in order to appear more “diverse” or “inclusive” or get better press coverage from the Beltway scribes or news anchors. It is what it is. If we are accused of being close or narrow minded so be it. We believe what we believe and we are proud of it

3)Sarah believes GOP members of Congress are not sent to Washington as she said in her convention speech “to mingle with the right folks” and compromise their principles. Sarah understands the frustration the grassroots of the GOP have with the GOP when it cares more about pleasing Obama, catering to the MSM or finding bipartisan solutions by working around the edges of bills than to be standing up for its membership across the country. For Sarah you are sent to Washington to stand up for certain (conservative) ideas and principles. That should be your #1 priority. Everything else is secondary.

4)And the GOP does not exist so that RINO philsophy (Democratic Lite) is promoted as “the revisionist version” of GOP philsophy. The majority of Republicans are not RINO’s but conservatives. And Sarah represents this great majority of members who have felt that the GOP hierarchy and politicians have sold out the party and with it its ideas and principles. Sarah wants the GOP to stand up for what it stood for in the past and let the chips fall where they may.

The “big tent idea” needs to be explained differently. The GOP needs to go back to the roots of capitalism to explain as I alluded to earlier that as a political party it offers a specific service with the full understanding that it is fully aware that it may not attract every American citizen, some citizens may be completely apolitical or choose to remain independents and some may simply not agree with the ideas, philsophy, and principles that the GOP chooses to bring forth and propound and thus choose not to enter your tent. There is nothing evil or sinister here. This is not a deliberate attempt to exclude anybody from being a potential member. Nobody is told by the GOP “to take a hike” that we don’t want you as a member.

If you want to join the GOP you pay your membership dues and you become member, simple as that. But as a member you should expect a certain commodity to be furnished and delivered; you are entitled to it. If you do not receive it, it is simply a breach of contract.

The big tent does not mean you have to sacrifice your ideas and principles just for the sake of recruiting new members. That does a disservice to existing members who expect a certain “return on investment” for their dues and this creates cognitive dissonance in new members who have a hard time figuring out what the GOP really stands for. The big tent should definitely not be an invitation to anarchy, division or dilution of conviction. You are welcome to come to the tent but you have no right to raise a fuss or claim narrow-mindedness if what you hear within the tent is alien to your way of thinking. You were told what the GOP core beliefs were before joining the party or at least you should have been. It is what it is.

If you don’t agree with the GOP, form your own party or join another one but don’t resort to condemning the GOP for not being more inclusive or more willing to embrace members whose worldviews are completely at odds or alien with the core beliefs of the party.

Those who attend revival meetings go to get a dose “of that old time religion”. They are under no illusion why they are entering the “spiritual” tent. And neither should anybody who voluntarily enters the GOP political tent either. There is no difference.

technopeasant on November 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM

What’s the House right now – 250-185 for the Democrats or so? Yeah if it turns out to be 249-186, maybe you’ll think that means something but it’s not going to make any difference in terms of legislative agenda, and November of 2010 is still a long way away.

So no. I don’t care. Perspective, people.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Actually, it’s 256-177 with the NY 23rd seat currently open. So a Hoffman win would have a Conservative Party candidate replacing a Republican. Or for you, that could be a seat “Created or Saved

2ipa on November 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Actually, it’s 256-177 with the NY 23rd seat currently open. So a Hoffman win would have a Conservative Party candidate replacing a Republican. Or for you, that could be a seat “Created or Saved“

2ipa on November 1, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Yeah but Hoffman is going to caucus with Republicans and he’s going to be a reliably Republican vote. So yeah – 257-177 or 256-178. I continue to not know what you guys are so excited about.

Also-

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/ny23_siena_poll_again_some_hop.php

Proud Rino on November 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM

So no. I don’t care. Perspective, people.

Proud Rino on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

The number of posts telling us how much you don’t care suggests otherwise.

The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.

lorien1973 on November 1, 2009 at 3:38 PM

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