WH adds new enemy to list: Edmunds
posted at 2:20 pm on October 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Obama White House has apparently decided to wage a two-front war on the media. After a blistering analysis of the Cash for Clunkers program from the well-established auto industry analyst Edmunds, the White House tried attacking their credibility while claiming that automakers were planning for greatly-increased demand for their new products. Business Insider wondered what the administration could be thinking:
On the same day that we found out that motor vehicle output added 1.7% to economic growth in the third quarter – the largest contribution to quarterly growth in over a decade – Edmunds.com has released a faulty analysis suggesting that the Cash for Clunkers program had no meaningful impact on our economy or on overall auto sales. This is the latest of several critical “analyses” of the Cash for Clunkers program from Edmunds.com, which appear designed to grab headlines and get coverage on cable TV. Like many of their previous attempts, this latest claim doesn’t withstand even basic scrutiny.
The Edmunds analysis is based on two implausible assumptions:
1. The Edmunds’ analysis rests on the assumption that the market for cars that didn’t qualify for Cash for Clunkers was completely unaffected by this program.
In other words, all the other cars were being sold on Mars, while the rest of the country was caught up in the excitement of the Cash for Clunkers program. This analysis ignores not only the price impacts that a program like Cash for Clunkers has on the rest of the vehicle market, but the reports from across the country that people were drawn into dealerships by the Cash for Clunkers program and ended up buying cars even though their old car was not eligible for the program.
The post title? “Busy Covering Car Sales on Mars, Edmunds.com Gets It Wrong (Again) on Cash for Clunkers.” Well, that’s certainly presidential. And, of course, it missed the point — to which Edmunds returns in their rebuttal:
At issue is one point of the analysis showing the taxpayer cost for every incremental vehicle sold was $24,000. To be clear, Edmunds.com is not disputing the government’s statements regarding total voucher applications, vehicles sold or voucher values. The key question is how many of these sales would have occurred anyway.
Apparently, the $24,000 figure caught many by surprise. It shouldn’t have. The truth is that consumer incentive programs are always hugely expensive when calculated by incremental sales — always in the tens of thousands of dollars. Cash for Clunkers was no exception.
The White House claims that our analysis was based on car sales on Mars and that on Earth, the marketplace is connected. We agree the marketplace is connected. In fact, that is exactly the basis of our analysis.
It is also claimed we missed the possibility that Cash for Clunkers generated excitement and consumers bought vehicles even if they didn’t qualify for the program — a claim that has been widely supported by anecdote but by little analysis. It does, after all, seem a bit odd that masses of consumers would elect to buy a vehicle because of a program for which they don’t qualify — doubly so when you add in the fact that prices shot up during Cash for Clunkers, creating a disincentive to buy.
Finally, the White House claims that the increase in fourth-quarter production reported by the car manufacturers can be attributed to Cash for Clunkers. But here is a better reason: the economy is recovering accompanied by improved car sales. No manufacturer increases production — a decision with long-term consequences — based on the 30-day sales blip triggered by an event like Cash for Clunkers.
With all respect to the White House, Edmunds.com thinks that instead of shooting the messenger, government officials should take heart from the core message of the analysis: the fundamentals of the auto marketplace are improving faster than the current sales numbers suggest.
In fact, Edmunds actually avoided the argument made by some critics of the program, who said that most of the sales in the C4C program came at the expense of future sales. All Edmunds noted with their analysis was that about 5/6ths of the sales would have occurred without taxpayer subsidies, which made the cost of getting the other 1/6th into new cars a very expensive proposition. Instead of addressing that argument, the administration made arguments about Mars instead.
If the economy has begun to truly improve, of course car sales will increase over the disastrous performance of earlier this year. However, that relies on actual growth, not gimmicky and momentary incentives from the government, which makes the third quarter auto performance an unreliable indicator of longer-term health (and the same applies to new-home sales as well, another major contributor to Q3′s growth number). But even with actual growth, the 540,000 people who used taxpayer subsidies to buy last year’s models won’t be heading into showrooms for at least a couple of years to buy new models rolling off the line now or later.
The administration’s reaction once again reveals a very thin skin and a temperament perhaps suited to campaigning, but certainly not towards governing. When will the White House grow up?
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Of course he will. Then they’ll hold hands and stroll along the beach in the moonlight.
Oink on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Christie makes John Hunstman look conservative. That’s a scary thought isn’t it?
nobar on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM
The problem is it’ll be toxic in the GOP primaries in 2 1/2 years and that’s not even factoring in Scandalpalooza. CRISTie’s already got his reelection locked up. Why continue to play footsie with Obama like this unless he’s decided privately that he won’t be seeking the Presidency in 2016?
Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM
I’d tell you to get bent, Chris, but your girth would prevent that, so…
Dopenstrange on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Look’s like muskrat love.
kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM
If Christie is the GOP nominee in 2016, the Democrats will keep the White House.
Count on it.
DRayRaven on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Somebody needs to talk this guy into joining the Party of the Democrats . . . and get him out of the Republican Party.
rplat on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM
I picture that line being delivered with a tire iron inhand. The old Christe woulda….
apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Rubio/Christie – The Demopbulican ticket.
Oil Can on May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Loud mouths like Christie who “tell it like it is” usually put their foot in their mouth eventually (which he has done already).
He may as well put a great big D next to his name before the next election.
iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Who’d of thought Barack is a chubby chaser? Go figure.
madmonkphotog on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Heh. Did you happen to see Drudge’s pic of Christie and Barry,..center of page about halfway down? Looks like The Big Guy is giving a huge reach around to The Leader, who is giggling coyly. Perfect!
a capella on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
So basically he will be campaigning on our dime!
What’s new about that ?
burrata on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
I’m sure it will be as toxic as Amnesty was for McCain and Romneycare was for Romney.
lol
Don’t you love the GOP electorate?
Fezzik on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Well, The First Lady says he’d make a great President, so
there you have it…he’s The Republican nominee in 2016!!!
Hooray!!!!!!
be back in a bit….have some Vomit to clean up…
ToddPA on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
I see a Chris Christie/Charlie Crist ticket in their future.
iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
True.
Dang! Did anyone say he’d try to run as a Republican?
*perish the thought*
freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
I see a cage match primary in the future between the Fat Man and Killary. Guess who wins.
BeachBum on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Front page pic: today’s Laurel and Hardy.
Marcola on May 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM
I don’t know about that. The Fat Man pretty much already won reelection in one of the most corrupt and backward states in the country. You’ve got to admit Christie is pretty politically savvy — more so than amnesty-pusher Marco Rubio or some of the other clowns.
Punchenko on May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM
Just more media manipulation to pick the next sacrificial goat for us. Oh… yeah.. he could beat Hillary.. PICK HIM… No more letting the same media which hates us, influence who our party picks to run, they are NOT our damned friends.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM
He isn’t. He’s a receiver. As long as he closes his eyes and “doesn’t know” one BJ is like any other…….
Like his entire administration.
Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised at all with a Arlen Spector flip and his running as Hillary’s mate.
I doubt the Republicans are going to find their nominee from the East Coast again this time.
Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Tough call. One is a fat, sweaty, graceless, clueless career backstabber and the other is Christie.
apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM
savvy at stroking democrats..
republicans who are conservative.. not so much.. He runs as the nominee in 16, I’m voting Conservative party… and I won’t be the only one.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
More accurate
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
oooh, i wonder if they will go out on a date and hold hands and other cute stuff. how sweet!
Sachiko on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Is it me or does Christie look like the Penguin?
Amadeus on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Why does Obama hate Democrat women?
patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
It’s not hands. See my 3:40 comment.
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Won’t work. Neither Hillary nor the Rotund One will ever be the 2nd line on a ticket.
Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
That’s because the field of candidates sucked in 2008 and 2012. McCain had no competition other than Huckster and Romney. And 4 years later, Romney had only Newt and Santorum to contend with.
Even if a bunch of conservatives take a pass on 2016, there’s no way our choices will be that limited in 3 years.
Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:42 PM
Is Governor Christie, a
RINO – Republican In Name Only?
or, a
DIABLO – Democrat In All But Label Only?
Choices, Choices….
patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM
If Christi runs, it’ll be on the media driven narrative, he can win without the GOP base, just moderates and democrat cross overs..
The media which never saw a left wing extremist, ever, anywhere, has waged a decades long fight to smother the conservative base, even though we out number progressives 2 to 1.
Voter suppression isn’t unethical, like so much else, if the media/democrats do it.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Obama has overseen the use of federal agencies to intimidate and harass American citizens. And not jus any agencies: IRS, FBI, and the ATF harassed Catherine Engelbrecht. They sped on a Fox News reporter’s family.
Christie should be ashamed of himself. When does politics end and he starts doing the right thing?
InterestedObserver on May 24, 2013 at 3:46 PM
We have got to light a fire under our conservative leaders.. front benchers this time please..
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:47 PM
Fat, dopey liberal. I will enjoy voting against him more than most.
Jaibones on May 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Christie…
Obama probably has taken a shower since meeting with Bruce Springsteen…
Electrongod on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM
…yeah, we know he’s a squish, but he is also the Governor of New Jersey. A guy like Cruz or even Rubio couldn’t get elected dog catcher in that state. Cut the big guy a break, he is undoubtedly better than whatever cookie cutter Dem would be sitting in that chair otherwise.
ndalager on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM
Christy, from a notoriously corrupt state like Obama’s Illinois, knows how the bread gets buttered. I wish he was a principled man, but he has done some good for Jersey. Let him stay there on the state level as the citizens feel fit via elections.
tom daschle concerned on May 24, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Absolutly right! The designated McCain will lose, whether it’s Christie, Rubio, Crist, Jeb or fill in the blank.
I wish we could some how change that, but the current GOP leadership he hard-wired to another designated McCain, (or Dole if you like).
Alabama Infidel on May 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Now serving dog on the Jersey boardwalk.
LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Aww. Christie really, really wuvs obama…he can be his new body man :) well, if he sheds two more hundred pounds that is… obama likes his body men lean :)
jimver on May 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM
There won’t be any strolling on the beach today.
It’s 50 degrees and raining on and off all day with wind on top of it.
So much for the Big C’s “the shore is open” nonsense along with all that global warming.
jersey taxpayer on May 24, 2013 at 4:00 PM
Another azzhole
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:02 PM
With flowers, chocolates, soft music . . . and KY jelly?
AZCoyote on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM
Has Obama visited Oklahoma yet?
LtBarnwell02 on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM
The DEM VP,AG or SS cabinet position.
He’s going to be Huntsman * 1000(pds). If they can get past the scandals, Christie is going to be the lefts secret 100ton bunker buster.
“See, the current repub wingnut tbillies are so far gone that they even turned on their Conservative Hero Christie.”
Did Christie condemn the IRS, Benghazi response, AP, Rosen…? Has he addressed the scandals? He could do it in a non partisan way. Even Dear Leader managed “outrage”(or at least he used the word).
HA people, Christie is not running for the Repub Presidency. Like Doughboy wrote: He’s got his reelection locked up. This photo op further hurts him if he were to run as an R. And I do believe his French Kissing O ,from last year, would be re-run if he ran. He can’t run as an R and he knows it. He doesn’t want to.
BoxHead1 on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM
OT: Ryan Lizza (via Twitchy) reporting DOJ sought to keep Rosen in the dark about confiscating his E-mail for an extended period of time.
LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM
Christie’s worst enemy in any potential 2016 primary is probably Jon Huntsman, since the goal is to solidify a block of moderates during the early northeastern state primaries, as the lone moderate in the field, and let the other conservative hopefuls knock each other off. That plan falls apart if there are two squishy Republicans in the race splitting that vote, but Christie’s advantage is it’s easier to play that game from New Jersey than it is from Utah, since the media will have no problem trumpeting his in-your-face personality in the primaries (and destroy him for it in the general election, if he actually did win the primary).
jon1979 on May 24, 2013 at 4:18 PM
I think the White House is still threatening the victims’ families in Moore to invite Hussein for a campaign sppech when they hold funerals for their loved ones and so far, no invite.
I’m sure he has his speech uploaded to TOTUS, photogs and networks ready to fly on AF-1 on a short notice .
Until then,,,partay..partay…partay…
burrata on May 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Wrong crowd. Dead, white conservatives are a gift for this guy.
Trayvon Martin was definitely worth a “presidential” comment.
Gee…. there’s a pattern here, isn’t there!
Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Go to hell Christie. Just change yourself to (D) and get it overwith.
TX-96 on May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM
This fat wad needs to sink into the nearest deep part of the ocean. He could feed the sharks for days.
avagreen on May 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM
We don’t care now you fat piece of crap, the election is over.
slickwillie2001 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM
All due respect:
Christie is super fat.
And that is all the respect he is due.
Sherman1864 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Obama is simply coming back to see how Christie’s pregnancy is coming along. I hear Obama is hoping for a son…
William Eaton on May 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM
They’ll tour the coast right after stopping off at the Registrar’s Office so Chris can drop off his change-of-party registration.
Another Drew on May 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM
That’s fine, gotta take some time for photo ops in the midst of all the scandals. That’s what politicians do. Has he ever thought to take a trip back to the Gulf since 140 gallons of oil spilled in it, though?
scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM
This was Ann Coultier’s big candidate for President.
“Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!”
flytier on May 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM
ha, make that 140 MILLION gallons
scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Time to make the “Obamistie” relationship public.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Democrats in NJ are not worried their candidate will lose, because by 2014 Christie will have switched parties to become a Democrat.
albill on May 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Yes. please roll out the red carpet and Slurpee’s. After all, the President and Democrats in general have done so much for NJ. Which is why there is a Republican governor…whoops.
It’s very revealing how the governor shows his love for Obama when the treasury is dishing out other people’s money to pay for the states disasters. They’ve allowed people to build in those areas and now, strangely, after receiving the big Obama smooch and fist-fulls of our cash, they are rebuilding.
For years, NJ collected taxes from all the affected residents. Did they save any of it for a windy, wet day? Nope.
Christie is only a pragmatic economic denizens when it suits his political needs. We’ve seen what happens when a crisis strikes. The first casualty is financial discipline.
Marcus Traianus on May 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Mitt should have recruited this guy to play a dirty trick or two but nooooooo……
But did he just stay neutral? Nooooo…
The Dems and the media are having a persistently hard time destroying Christianity, capitalism, white people and the Bill of Rights in less than a decade.
They sorely welcome the help of all useful idiots in wrecking the country and relish the fools who embrace their own demise.
But Christe? Maybe there is some natural bond between guys who run corrupt governments, ever think of that?
IlikedAUH2O on May 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM
Whaaa, no invite yet?? Do the local IRS know, and what are they planning to do about it?
jimver on May 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Clash of Titans:
Snooki Ambushes Chris Christie at Jersey Shore
:)
INC on May 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM
The mayor of Tampa at the time, a dem, wouldn’t even go to the airport to greet President Bush so there must be some outs for state officials if they don’t want to meet an greet. CC wants to for political reasons which makes him just as bad as the rest of the crowd in DC. He goes along to get along.
Kissmygrits on May 25, 2013 at 9:40 AM
Good for you, Chris. Expect to stay in New Jersey for the duration, because they obviously need you more than we need you in the White House.
RebeccaH on May 25, 2013 at 5:50 PM