Reports: GOP gives up on Scozzafava? Update: Issa switches to Hoffman

posted at 6:50 pm on October 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

A Scozzafava spokesman denies it, but bloggers in the area and now Red State are hearing that it’s true. This doesn’t mean that the party’s unendorsing her, mind you, merely that they’re not going to blow any more dough on propping up a failed effort.

The NRCC tells me directly that they are only spending money on anti-Owens ads. The anti-Hoffman YouTube? Gone. The anti-Hoffman press releases? Gone. The anti-Hoffman everything else? Gone.

The pro-Dede Scozzafava stuff? Gone too.

The RNC ground crews? They are pulling out to New Jersey.

This smells more like a cosmetic concession to the base than some meaningful attempt to help Hoffman win. The election’s in four days; unless the GOP dumps her completely and swings fully behind him, she’s likely to retain a fair number of party-line Republican voters in the booth. But they can’t do that or else it’ll encourage every independent conservative candidate in America to mount third-party challenges next year, and then the curse of Gingrich will be fully upon us.

In fact, it might be upon us already:

With Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman running neck and neck with the Democrat in Tuesday’s special election in New York, some other disaffected Republicans are seeing the third-party route as more viable.

And it could hurt the Republicans in those races.

In Virginia’s 5th district, state Sen. Robert Hurt’s entry into the GOP primary has spurred little-known candidate Bradley Rees to switch to the Virginia Conservative Party. And in Ohio, another GOP primary contender said this week that he’ll run as a Constitution Party candidate.

Both will go at the GOP nominees from their right flanks and try to expose some unhappiness in conservative ranks. They might not be as well-funded as Hoffman or be filling quite as big a vacuum as the one left by Republican Dede Scozzafava’s left-leaning politcs, but they could steal valuable votes.

If the worst happens and the GOP is deluged with independent challenges next year (possibly spurred on by Glenn Beck?), then you know what the headline will be the day after the midterms, don’t you? “Dede’s Revenge.”

Update: Darrell Issa, trailblazer? “It will be interesting to see if other Scozzafava backers follow Issa’s example in the name of keeping the seat in GOP hands.”


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“This smells more like a cosmetic concession to the base than some meaningful attempt to help Hoffman win.”

What’s that smell…?

Ssssssscoooooooozzzzzzzzzaaaaaaaaffffffaaaaavvvvvvvaaaaaaa…!

Seven Percent Solution on October 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM

I know, I know. It’s better to have conservatives in Congress than RINOs. But having conservatives run against RINOs means more representatives on Team Pelosi.

YYZ on October 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Someone Tell Michael Steele he is still pushing both

William Amos on October 30, 2009 at 6:56 PM

If the worst happens and the GOP is deluged with independent challenges next year (possibly spurred on by Glenn Beck?), then you know what the headline will be the day after the midterms, don’t you? “Dede’s Revenge.”

Oh, Allah. Trying to stir up trouble again? This is not a third-party movement. This is Conservatives trying to reclaim the GOP. And lay off Beck. Gotta’ love the pudgy one — he’s right.

publiuspen on October 30, 2009 at 6:57 PM

If the worst happens and the GOP is deluged with independent challenges next year (possibly spurred on by Glenn Beck?), then you know what the headline will be the day after the midterms, don’t you? “Dede’s Revenge.”

So what?

Chris_Balsz on October 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Newt is wrong. He is a washed up politician. Look how fast some of the congressional GOP members went running to endorse Hoffman. There are still some in the GOP in Washington that are wussies that need some nudging.

Now, what I see will be the remaking of the GOP, which desperately needs remaking. And Sarah Palin, grassroots conservatives, and talk radio are helping in the remaking (Yes even Glenn Beck).

Hoffman, Christie, and McDonnell will win.

cubachi on October 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Or… does it really mean TAKE OVER OF THE CONSERVATIVES?

We want NEW BREEDS. If we don’t get “real” conservatives at the primaries, we will look for another.

NOW. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO RNC?

Make sure that there is a minimum STANDARD and background check for all wannabes during PRIMARIES.

Or else, you will suffer the Scuzzy’s fate.

BTW, Scuzzy could only curse herself. The GHOSTS OF THE ABORTED FETUSES ARE HAUNTING HER AND … SADLY … THE WHOLE AMERICA.

TheAlamos on October 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Having conservatives run against RINOs means more representatives on Team Pelosi.

Horsehockey. I am sick of the false choice between a Democrat and a me-too Democrat. Time to take the GOP back from the RINO countryclubbers and people willing to settle for two flavors of the same crap sandwich, like you apparently are.

pdigaudio on October 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Now, what I see will be the remaking of the GOP, which desperately needs remaking. And Sarah Palin, grassroots conservatives, and talk radio are helping in the remaking (Yes even Glenn Beck).

I admire your lack of pragmatism.

YYZ on October 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

In the case of Hoffman, he had no choice but to go third party. The GOP picked the Soupsandwichsanger as their candidate. I still think conservatism should keep their home in the GOP as Rubio stated.

fourdeucer on October 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

AP = Eeyore

BrianA on October 30, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Gingrich must know by now that he blew it big time. When a wannabe leader gets smacked this hard by the rank and file, it’s time to find a nice quiet place to retire.

WWS on October 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Rino’s shouldn’t have taken the grass roots for granted.

Amadeus on October 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Let’s not get all wee-wee’d up about third party movements. Scozzafava was too liberal, period. This was a special election and she’d probably have been primaried out in a normal situation.

Missy on October 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Let’s not get all wee-wee’d up about third party movements. Scozzafava was too liberal, period. This was a special election and she’d probably have been primaried out in a normal situation.

Missy on October 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Think so too, there was almost nothing to lose here.

the_nile on October 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

GOP gives up on Scozzafava? Update: Issa switches to Hoffman

What took them so long ?

macncheez on October 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I know, I know. It’s better to have conservatives in Congress than RINOs. But having conservatives run against RINOs means more representatives on Team Pelosi.

YYZ on October 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

What’s the difference among Bush, Obama, Pelosi and Boehner when the First Stimulus Package was signed?

None whatsoever. The people lost.

We may not take over both Houses in 2010. It shall be painful to America.

…. but it will most painful to all Real conservatives.

THAT PAIN IS THE BITTER TONIC. CONSERVATIVE ACTIVISM WILL FURTHER GROW STRONGER AND STRONGER. WAIT UNTIL 2012.

TheAlamos on October 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

With Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman running neck and neck with the Democrat in Tuesday’s special election in New York, some other disaffected Republicans are seeing the third-party route as more viable.

This is an easily avoidable problem for the GOP. The solution? NOMINATE A FREAKING CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE!!! At least in terms of fiscal issues. The social stuff, I’m all for having a big tent. But someone who supports porkulus, card check, and tax increases should not be allowed to call themselves a Republican much less run for Congress with the blessing of the NRCC.

Doughboy on October 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM

I posted this link on a different thread but it works here as well:

Everyone ready for Tuesday?

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on October 30, 2009 at 7:10 PM

I prefer to think of the Hoffman/Scozzafava episode as a wake up call to the GOP leadership. Let’s hope they learn something from it.

hachiban on October 30, 2009 at 7:11 PM

If the worst happens and the GOP is deluged with independent challenges next year (possibly spurred on by Glenn Beck?), then you know what the headline will be the day after the midterms, don’t you? “Dede’s Revenge.”

Oh, Allah. Trying to stir up trouble again? This is not a third-party movement. This is Conservatives trying to reclaim the GOP. And lay off Beck. Gotta’ love the pudgy one — he’s right. publiuspen on October 30, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Je suis d’accord. The GOP has nothing to fear from conservatives unless they try to foist RINOs, or in this case, a DIABLO, on them. The Hoffman effect will prove quite salutary. The weak willed in the GOP will get the message to buck up and support the conservative candidate.

Basilsbest on October 30, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I don’t see third party candidates catching on. Hoffman is too much of a miracle shot. It took pretty much the full brunt of the nation to take down a weak congressional GOP candidate in what would otherwise be a low turnout election. These kinds of resources cannot be recreated on a much larger scale.

clement on October 30, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Gingrich must know by now that he blew it big time. When a wannabe leader gets smacked this hard by the rank and file, it’s time to find a nice quiet place to retire.

WWS on October 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM

I’ll accept a mea culpa and real work to correct the error.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on October 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM

If Hoffman wins, it’s bad for the GOP. If he loses it’s bad for the GOP.

Weight of Glory on October 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Mr. Steele and his idiotic hip-hop GOP shtick needs to go. What’s next, Steele in baggy prison jeans for ultimate “outreach”? Maybe some events with Al Sharpton? Steele gladhanded his way into the job. I don’t think he’s a bad guy, but he’s not much of a leader or a conservative. How can he ever live down trying to feed us Scozzafava beans and claiming Bertha Lewis of ACORN is doing a good job? When challenged, he claims to be building the base “behind the scenes” and not wanting to tip his full hand to the DNC. Uh-huh, and David Copperfield is really making elephants disappear.

Ken Blackwell would have been (and could still be) a great GOP head. He’s an actual reflexive conservative. But the establishment boardroom Republican Party is only interested in coasting and signalling the most fuzzy-edged ideology, enough to keep fooling the same people every election. It’s a mistake to be sending them any oxygen (money). Contributions should only be made to individuals (Hoffman, Bachmann, Toomey, Rubio, etc.) DO NOT write “GOP” on the Payee line.

Western_Civ on October 30, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Oh, Allah. Trying to stir up trouble again? This is not a third-party movement. This is Conservatives trying to reclaim the GOP. And lay off Beck. Gotta’ love the pudgy one — he’s right. publiuspen on October 30, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Give Allah a break here. He’s not stirring up trouble, he’s dropping seed crystals into a saturated solution and seeing what happens. That’s what he’s good at.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on October 30, 2009 at 7:16 PM

What’s missing in these stories?! The GOP is not backing the conservative candidate and not looking for other viable conservative candidates to run in other elections. Rubio still has to fight the dem light candidate in Florida. This tells me the GOP has not learned their lesson from the 2006 election.
Way to keep the Conservatives and Libertarians mad at the GOP.

lwssdd on October 30, 2009 at 7:17 PM

If the worst happens and the GOP is deluged with independent challenges next year (possibly spurred on by Glenn Beck?), then you know what the headline will be the day after the midterms, don’t you? “Dede’s Revenge.”
———————————————————–

Ugh! A multifront war!

canopfor on October 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM

No reason to vote for a Democrat simply because there’s an R next to the name. I want quality candidates to vote for, not voting against the other guy because he’s worse.

rbj on October 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Oh, Allah. Trying to stir up trouble again? This is not a third-party movement. This is Conservatives trying to reclaim the GOP. And lay off Beck. Gotta’ love the pudgy one — he’s right.

publiuspen on October 30, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Exactly!

tim c on October 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM

The GOP will be eating humble pies for a long time to come. This is the shot across the bow, and we the people will continue to go against the grain and support true conservatives, not party-line puppets.

madmonkphotog on October 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM

I admire your lack of pragmatism.
YYZ on October 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

That brand of pragmatism never worked and it has a bitter after taste.

I agree with those who say we need to support ONLY those candidates who are not liberals or RINOs. Time for the conservatives to take back the party.

You nay sayers should get on OUR bus.

dogsoldier on October 30, 2009 at 7:22 PM

I know, I know. It’s better to have conservatives in Congress than RINOs. But having conservatives run against RINOs means more representatives on Team Pelosi.

YYZ on October 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Whatever it takes to get the GOP’s attention at this point is fine by me.
In order to take the gloves off against the Democrats, we first have to take them off with our own misguided leadership.

quax1 on October 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM

I spoke with a Congressional candidate in MA today who will run as an Independent if he can’t get MassGOP support. MassGOP is famous for supporting RiNOS. But what is to stop thee candidates from changing to GOP once they are in? Or caucusing with them? If we end up with a few third (and 4th, 5th, 6th, etc) party candidates in 2010 who all happen to be conservative, it will be the GOP that learns a lesson – and the Dems that quake because they will see how the GOP will turn again to embrace conservatism. We really don’t have a choice – a vote for a moderate is a vote for socializing America. They had their revolution, now it’s time for ours.

Sure the libs/media will make hay with it but isn’t our overall goal to elect conservatives, restore fiscal discipline and shrink government? Whoever will do that gets my vote.

gopmom on October 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Maybe sanity is returning but I think i will hold back my judgement on the GOP. One right move here on Hoffman does not make me believe they have seen the light. It just happens to be that this light was so bright in an off year they finally pulled back from Scozzafava. As someone mentioned above, if they will go fo Rubio in Florida that would be another good move. I would certainly like to think we made a longterm difference in their thinking process but sometimes you just can`t fix stupid, so I will wait and see.

bluemarlin on October 30, 2009 at 7:27 PM

If the worst happens and the GOP is deluged with independent challenges next year (possibly spurred on by Glenn Beck?), then you know what the headline will be the day after the midterms, don’t you? “Dede’s Revenge.”

So what?

Chris_Balsz on October 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Yeah, God forbid. : )

JeffinOrlando on October 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM

OK, let’s all stop the whining. It is seldom the Republican Party, or the RNCC, or other party organizations that decide who the candidate is. In NY23, the party did do it. However, we all get to vote in primaries. WE are the ones who determine who the GOP candidates are. Either run for the nomination yourself, or support someone with your money and action, not just big talk, who does run as a conservative Republican in the primaries.

Buford Gooch on October 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM

the flag is backward on hoffman’s picture.

why does hotair hate America?

sesquipedalian on October 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

AP,

the third party attack will come from types like the “left-leaning” Chris Daggetts working to purposely steal votes from Republican candidate a la New Jersey!

aigle on October 30, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Buford Gooch on October 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Here, here!

Join your local committee. Become a precinct captain – the GOP needs them everywhere. Hand pick the candidate yourself. The go get ‘em elected!

gopmom on October 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM

sesquipedalian on October 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Go see an optometrist – on Mars.

fiatboomer on October 30, 2009 at 7:33 PM

If Hoffman wins, it’s bad for the GOP. If he loses it’s bad for the GOP.

Weight of Glory on October 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM

You’re only half right.

PaCadle on October 30, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Now if we can get the NRSC to un-annoint Charlie Crist in the Florida Senate Primary we will have accomplished something.

As for a third party explosion, I dont think so. The people who may put Hoffman over the top are voting on conservative principles not the fact that he is a potential third party spoiler.

Get used to it. Conservatism is on the rise once again.

Nelsa on October 30, 2009 at 7:34 PM

the flag is backward on hoffman’s picture.

why does hotair hate America?

sesquipedalian on October 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

It’s a ‘charging flag’ like the soldiers wear. To signify moving forward, not retreat. ;)

clement on October 30, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Hoffman is a Republican. He will vote with the R’s. Big tenters in ny23 thought they could guarantee a win with a middle road R like Dede. Hope those voting next week send them a message. We want cons not rinos.

Kissmygrits on October 30, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Dede was Harriet Meyers redux

red131 on October 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM

I guess they might change a close race here and there, but I don’t think 3rd party candidates will have a big impact unless (A) the Repub nominee is WAY too liberal for the district, like Scozzofava or (B) the Repub nominee is a lousy candidate generally (like Scozzofava?)

BuzzCrutcher on October 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM

“I know, I know. It’s better to have conservatives in Congress than RINOs. But having conservatives run against RINOs means more representatives on Team Pelosi.”

If we are going to have leftists in congress voting the leftists agenda, I want them to sign their names with a “(D-”.

I’m fed up with people saying “well jeez, the Republicans were in control….”

So yeah, if the conservative doesn’t win, I want the democrat to.

lsheldon on October 30, 2009 at 7:41 PM

The RNC ground crews? They are pulling out to New Jersey.

Apparently good political sense didn’t completely eave RNC HQ.

JohnGalt23 on October 30, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Again, I agree with everyone above.

Allah, your throwing eggs at the neighbors house starting trouble. Sorry guy, won’t work.

IF Hoffman wins in a red district, in which Obama carried the last election (I’m right on that aren’t I…anyone), then the GOP is REALLY gonna have to rethink this strategy of selecting candidates who do not have strong conservative values in terms of the fiscal side of things.

They must know, Steele and the rest, that whomever they back is going to be scrutinized like the bejeezus and if (we)(us) conservatives and independents are not happy, the full brunt of the Limbaughs and the Becks and the Hannitys and the Palins and the full right will converge on them like the Patriots defense on a Titans offense.

McCain blew it. And for anyone, even the brilliant Newt Gingrich whom I still admire but needs to be shone the door, needs to realize that it doesn’t start with the GOP or the RNCC or the RNC or the GOPPRNCC, but with the candidate that is the most conservative or independent in the race who focuses on real fiscal values. Like Hoffman.

IF they keep selecting RINO’s, they will be shot down just like Scozzafava.

Or something like this..

I ate his liver with a fine Chianti and Scozzafava beans…PFHPFHPFHPFHPFH.

Hey…it’s almost Halloween.

Scoreboard44 on October 30, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Let me be clearer.

I am through voting for Nota S. Badas.

Done. Finished. If I have to drive 24 miles to vote (I do) I want an acceptable choice.

lsheldon on October 30, 2009 at 7:43 PM

We ran a republican-lite in 2008. What did that get us?

Sue on October 30, 2009 at 7:43 PM

If the Republican “leadership” comes to believe that getting a RINO nominated in the Primary will simply get a disastrous 3rd party challenge in the general election, then any intelligent members of the leadership will pulling the “back Charlie Crist before the Primary” game, and we’ll start getting better candidates.

Greg Q on October 30, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Scoreboard44 on October 30, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Well, you are right, but it seems they haven’t elected a Democrat to Congress from that district since about 1870.

Buford Gooch on October 30, 2009 at 7:44 PM

on the original post, AP mentions that state Sen Robt Hurt (who is seeking GOP nomination to run against Cong (Dem) Tom Perriello, 5th CD Va) will face opposition, among others, from Bradley Rees.

Bradley Rees has some sort of firearms convictions (yeah, I like guns, but he has a record nonetheless)

and Rees is quoted in a Southside Va. newspaper this morning as saying if his candidacy splits the vote & guarantees the Dem returns to DC, then “so be it.”

I am not for that logic.

kelley in virginia on October 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM

I don’t really care if the Republican Party loses the next election. The Party does not exist to govern. It exists to win elections. Anybody who condemns Republican government is told to shut up and focus on the next election. Maybe that directly; maybe more subtly; but that is always the message of the GOP to the American people.

Our problems are due to a lack of good government. We need good government. We don’t need less bad government. It won’t help. It only delays the collapse of the United States.

Chris_Balsz on October 30, 2009 at 7:46 PM

If the worst happens and the GOP is deluged with independent challenges next year (possibly spurred on by Glenn Beck?), then you know what the headline will be the day after the midterms, don’t you? “Dede’s Revenge.”

Keep in mind: there are few GOP candidates (especially in the House) who are as liberal as Scozzafava. As long as we have center-right candidates, we’ll be OK. And after Tuesday, even our more “moderate” guys and gals will at least be talking conservative.

edgehead on October 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Buford Gooch on October 30, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Yeah, true, but wasn’t Owens in the lead until the full weight of the right threw their (our) support for Hoffman.

I don’t know. Just what I have read. But Dede wasn’t the answer being Democrat-lite.

AND all the better that we hold a district that is supposed to go to the right. Can’t imagine losing a district, any district, because the GOP picked the wrong horse…AGAIN.

Scoreboard44 on October 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM

How about they shouldn’t have backed her in the first place….Margaret Sanger Award….really?

Dr Evil on October 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM

How about they shouldn’t have backed her in the first place….Margaret Sanger Award….really?

Dr Evil on October 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Absolutley

Scoreboard44 on October 30, 2009 at 7:53 PM

In fact, it might be upon us already:

Groan.

BadgerHawk on October 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM

WE are the ones who determine who the GOP candidates are. Either run for the nomination yourself, or support someone with your money and action, not just big talk, who does run as a conservative Republican in the primaries.
Buford Gooch on October 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Well, du-uh. But, you see, all of that stuff is a whole heck of a lot easier to do if we know that the national organization isn’t poised to shoot us in the back.

On a mechanical level, the Republican Party is exactly like the Democrat Party: it is run by professional bureaucrats who, on average, are about as conservative as high school art teachers.

We can’t fool ourselves; these people can never be “taught” anything. They are like oversized paramecia. They do not think; they react. They respond to stimuli.

All of the things you are describing are a little bit hard for people who have real jobs and real lives outside of politics. If we want the party machinery to start working for us instead of against us we must first issue a series of very severe shocks to the system.

When we jump into what they think of as “their pond,” we don’t necessarily expect the life forms who have spent their entire lives infesting it to welcome us. But at the very least, we need to make God damned sure they stay the Hell out of our way.

logis on October 30, 2009 at 7:58 PM

If the worst happens and the GOP is deluged with independent challenges next year (possibly spurred on by Glenn Beck?), then you know what the headline will be the day after the midterms, don’t you? “Dede’s Revenge.”

Yeah, either that or “RINO’s Ruin”.

Here’s an idea. Party Officials be limited to only one responsibility when it come to primary candidates: verifying the person must be a registered Republican. Party officials, from Main St to the State Capitol to DC, are not allowed to endorse or fund primary candidates on behalf of the Party. The local, state or national party will take no official position nor fund any primary candidate, including incumbents. If you give people an even chance and let the cards fall where they may people would be a lot more likely to accept the hand that is dealt.
k.

Rocks on October 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM

There is an easy solution. Establishment Republicans(NRCC/NRSC/RNC – yes that’s you) need to relinquish control to conservatives and STOP with this moderate nonsense. Nominate conservatives OR PERISH.

Let the best conservative win in primaries.

antisocial on October 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM

How about they shouldn’t have backed her in the first place…..

Dr Evil on October 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Agree 100% Even if they wanted to say that they are backing their local party leaders pick, I can see where that would be fairly normal, once they looked into her record it should have been one of those decisions that one immediately regrets and corrective action should have been taken.They basically said STFU to everyone and took the same attitude as usual, we know better than you, we will entertain your thoughts but that is only for show because we really do know better. I hope we can keep up the pressure enough to make a dent in that attitude.

bluemarlin on October 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Steele needs to go. Now. Yesterday.

OmahaConservative on October 30, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Rocks on October 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM

I second that.

antisocial on October 30, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Rocks on October 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM

I like that as well. Let the locals decide in the primary then State and National party can support that candidate. If there had a been a primary in NY 23 I am confident Hoffman would have won and National Party would have been on the right side.

bluemarlin on October 30, 2009 at 8:09 PM

correct me if i’m wrong but isn’t this the same way that the gop destroyed the whigs. running third party canidates that were distinct from the other two. proabolishionists against middle of the road go along to get along. Power abhors a vacuum. Since the GOP elite decided to take the base for granted, kick it, call it names, not listen to its concerns it has created its own destruction. If the leadership does not move to the right for primaries it will be defeated in the general as the BASE STAYS HOME

unseen on October 30, 2009 at 8:09 PM

I’m not big on a third party……….but I do want more conservatives in Congress.

If 3rd party candidates do that, then, so be it.

JoeinTX on October 30, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Here’s an idea. Party Officials be limited to only one responsibility when it come to primary candidates: verifying the person must be a registered Republican. Party officials, from Main St to the State Capitol to DC, are not allowed to endorse or fund primary candidates on behalf of the Party. The local, state or national party will take no official position nor fund any primary candidate, including incumbents. If you give people an even chance and let the cards fall where they may people would be a lot more likely to accept the hand that is dealt.
k.
Rocks on October 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM

A good idea that you’d have to ram through. The Party heads swear to support Republican incumbents, no matter what. And they expect their successors to honor those pledges.

Chris_Balsz on October 30, 2009 at 8:13 PM

OK, let’s all stop the whining. It is seldom the Republican Party, or the RNCC, or other party organizations that decide who the candidate is. In NY23, the party did do it. However, we all get to vote in primaries. WE are the ones who determine who the GOP candidates are. Either run for the nomination yourself, or support someone with your money and action, not just big talk, who does run as a conservative Republican in the primaries.

Buford Gooch on October 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM

BS and I’ll give you are perfect example. The mayor in my town’s first term is up this year. He’s a Dem and likely to lose, nobody likes him. A state Senator for the Rs decided to run against him be so did another local R and we had a primary. 2 Months prior to the primary the party leadership council, or whatever the hell they call these things, meets and votes on who they will back in the primary. They pick the state senator. This is well reported in the local papers and there isn’t anyone who doesn’t know that the Local R Party backs him. Guess what? The primary was a joke. The challenger has 2 choices, run as a nice guy and lose or rip the local party to shreds by attacking their preferred candidate and having to fight the entire local apparatus. There is no reason a candidate should have to fight against his own local party to win the nomination for the local party. The only purpose for this is to ensure primaries are meaningless and the preferred candidate gets picked.

Rocks on October 30, 2009 at 8:17 PM

If there had a been a primary in NY 23 I am confident Hoffman would have won and National Party would have been on the right side.

bluemarlin on October 30, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Actually, he probably wouldn’t have. He is only in now because he’s the only Conservative. The officials had 7 other choices to pick from all more conservative then Dede. The fact that the liberals coalesced around Dede and gave her a plurality led to her choice. The problem is it should have been clear a liberal candidate had a ceiling she was never going to rise above. Subtract Dede from that party vote and Hoffman never gets the R nod and there is never a viable conservative party candidate. They probably would have outright endorsed the R.

Rocks on October 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Newt sure did pick the wrong battle on this one. The smartest thing he can do right now is SHUT UP! The more he tries to spin his endorsement the worse he looks.

joedoe on October 30, 2009 at 8:27 PM

saying if his candidacy splits the vote & guarantees the Dem returns to DC, then “so be it.”

I am not for that logic.

kelley in virginia on October 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM

This is something that we will have to watch for in upcoming elections. It seems possible that DEMS will attempt to sneak candidates into the Repub party posing as conservatives or just place liberal R’s into races to split the vote up in tight races.

nwsseeker on October 30, 2009 at 8:27 PM

The Party heads swear to support Republican incumbents, no matter what. And they expect their successors to honor those pledges.

Chris_Balsz on October 30, 2009 at 8:13 PM

No one is suggesting they can’t endorse, support and fund who they want individually. But they can’t use party money, or endorse as a party or say things like “We”. Do whatever you want as a “I” but “We” is what the primary is supposed to decide.

Rocks on October 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

If the worst happens and the GOP is deluged with independent challenges next year

You’re so out of touch with reality Allah. This would be the ‘best” thing that could happen. Not the worst. Unless you’re a semi-conservative like yourself.

Gregor on October 30, 2009 at 8:34 PM

newt.org

let him know what you think of his dem’lite…..he and pelosi snuggling…..he and sharpton doing the bump…..let him know.

nondhimmie on October 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM

the flag is backward on hoffman’s picture.

why does hotair hate America?

sesquipedalian on October 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Even adjusting for the generally low quality of your posts, this is a lame effort.

massrighty on October 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM

I live in 23rd District, Oswego, NY in fact, that RINO McHugh ate the “O”‘s bait and my vote goes to Doug Hoffman. Newt Is what ran in the last election. It was pathetic that McCain was the candidate. This man was tortured and his brain was injured. He should retire to the desert of Arizona. The old school is gone. They are finished and they, the established base of the GOP don’t realize what is in front of them. Power corrupted the party and we must stop it at all costs. I will vote conservative until that happens.

mixplix on October 30, 2009 at 8:52 PM

In most of that district, the closest major city is Ottawa. Ask them how well a divided right-wing worked for them.

YYZ on October 30, 2009 at 8:53 PM

YYZ on October 30, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Why does a Torontonian give a shit about any of this? Don’t you have a Tim Horton’s to patronize or something?

angryed on October 30, 2009 at 9:01 PM

“This smells more like a cosmetic concession to the base than some meaningful attempt to help Hoffman win.”

GOP version of a spray can of “OUST” ?

chickasaw42 on October 30, 2009 at 9:03 PM

NY 23 is unusual in that it was not preceded by a primary. In the 2010 round, all over the country conservatives will have the opportunity to challenge establishment Republicans in primary races, where there is no danger of splitting the votes against a Democrat. Even in cases where a conservative loses the primary, the mere presence of a robust conservative challenger should serve to pull all the candidates in a conservative direction.

texasentrepreneur on October 30, 2009 at 9:11 PM

AP “This smells more like a cosmetic concession to the base than some meaningful attempt to help Hoffman win.”

It does not matter whether it was a “cosmetic concession” or not. It was still an admission by the National GOP that they got the message that the base is not willing to accept the “reverse incrementalism” that has been taking place in the Republican party.

Whereas the Demcorats are able to move the electorate to the left in tiny increments over a long period of time, the GOP seems to be following right along by abadoning their principles.

If the National GOP allows this to continue them it will get what it deserves. Deafeat after defeat.

There is always a time to draw a line in the sand and as Rush Limbaugh said last week, “It has begun.”

I would rather lose near term elections (2010) by voting on principle than allow another RINO to go Washington and make a fool of him/herself.

Nelsa on October 30, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Nelsa on October 30, 2009 at 9:11 PM

WOW! I need to use spell check more often! LOL sorry for the typo’s

Nelsa on October 30, 2009 at 9:24 PM

NY 23 is unusual in that it was not preceded by a primary. In the 2010 round, all over the country conservatives will have the opportunity to challenge establishment Republicans in primary races, where there is no danger of splitting the votes against a Democrat. Even in cases where a conservative loses the primary, the mere presence of a robust conservative challenger should serve to pull all the candidates in a conservative direction.

texasentrepreneur on October 30, 2009 at 9:11 PM

This is true. In a primary Dede would never have had a shot, even with the party leaders and the MSM on her side.
But the rest of what you say isn’t really true. Conservatives are not allowed to make an unhindered challenge despite the fact that 90% of what they profess is in the Republican Party’s National Platform. How does anyone explain what is happening in Florida with Rubio and Crist? I don’t even live in Florida and I hardly know either candidate but I can tell you one thing for sure. I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass who the National Party thinks should win the primary, or who polls better and I sure in hell am not going to vote for the candidate they are pushing in November if they spent tons of money and time trying to shut out everybody else. It’s bad enough so much effort needs to be put into beating the Democrat, a Conservative shouldn’t have to do the same to beat THE Republican too. Not if the Republican’s want the Conservatives to vote with them in November.

Rocks on October 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM

the flag is backward on hoffman’s picture.

why does hotair hate America?

sesquipedalian on October 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Even when I really try, with comments like this, it’s hard to take you seriously.

BadgerHawk on October 30, 2009 at 9:37 PM

And Newt is standing out in the cold with his pants down around his ankles.

rplat on October 30, 2009 at 10:01 PM

And it could hurt the Republicans in those races.

The republican squishy’s in power will see the writing on the wall and jump on the conservative bandwagon or the republican party will fade into obscurity very quickly. If the momentum keeps up this will not be a slow bleed, it will happen very quickly. Tea Party forever!

peacenprosperity on October 30, 2009 at 10:12 PM

the flag is backward on hoffman’s picture.

why does hotair hate America?

sesquipedalian on October 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Even adjusting for the generally low quality of your posts, this is a lame effort.

massrighty on October 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Cut him some slack. Right now he doesn’t have the “Hoffman??? BWHAHAHAHAHA you wingnuts crack me up!!!” sort of argument.

ddrintn on October 30, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Rocks on October 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM

I did not realize they had that many contenders. Your premise, which I agree with, is still correct. I just should have said any other conservative would have won had their been a primary.

bluemarlin on October 30, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Why does a Torontonian give a shit about any of this? Don’t you have a Tim Horton’s to patronize or something?

angryed on October 30, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I’ve got a double-double and two dozen Timbits in my system. So I’m good, thanks.

YYZ on October 30, 2009 at 10:56 PM

I would rather lose near term elections (2010) by voting on principle than allow another RINO to go Washington and make a fool of him/herself US!

Nelsa on October 30, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Same idea, but fixed.

Christian Conservative on October 30, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I don’t understand this. Perhaps it’s me. Perhaps I’m the idiot here. However, why should we support Republicans because they have an R after their name? How are we better off with McCain or Snowe? Did we practice Fiscal Conservative ideals when we had the majority? No. Because our Republicans weren’t conservative. They quit being conservative after the election of Bush 43.

Oh if we don’t elect any old Rino that comes down the pike, Nancy Pelosi could be Speaker for life. OK, and if we elect every old Rino that comes down the pike, and we get the same policies as Nancy would have given us, how are we better off?

I won’t support the Republicans, until they start to offer us a real difference from the Democrats. I say a third party would be good, and would wipe out the Republican Party.

After all the Repubican Party was formed out of the Ashes of the Whig’s, and was better than the Whigs. Why not form a Conservative Party out of the Ashes of the GOP?

Snake307 on October 31, 2009 at 12:43 AM

I don’t mind horses for courses.

I can think of a few D districts around here in California where fiscal-cons could be competitive as long as they’re not peddling too much social-con agenda.

In this case it’s the GOP’s district to lose and the only reasons Scozzasomething got the nomination are (a) she showed up and (b) the nominating committee was scared out of their wits by last November.

JEM on October 31, 2009 at 12:57 AM

As blogger Debbie Schlussel points out, Issa has apparently shown himself sympathetic to Hezbollah and to Syria’s terror-supporting dictator. Don’t know why Issa manages to escape the scrutiny of the likes of HotAir, Hannity and Beck regarding these things …. Hmmm, could it be that it is because Issa is a … Republican?

sanantonian on October 31, 2009 at 1:00 AM

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